[Vo]:Tri Alpha Energy web site

[a.ashfield]

Tri Alpha Energy now has a web site.  http://www.trialphaenergy.com/

Re: [Vo]:Tri Alpha Energy web site

[Jed Rothwell]

Jones Beene  wrote:


> Lennart- simply because a large amount of energy ia applied to the fuel at
> the start to achieve “ignition.” Yes, it is true that some devices which
> are labeled as LENR also require plasmas which are relatively hot – at
> least they cannot really be called “cold” (as opposed to small scale).
> Mizuno’s glow discharge would be an example.
>

I agree.

Perhaps as we learn more, this will turn out to be a false distinction, or
an arbitrary dividing line. But based on current knowledge, I think there
are fundamental differences between something like the Tri Alpha Device and
LENR, and Beene has described the most important difference.

This is not LENR, although it may be valuable. Still . . . I would hate to
see any kind of plasma fusion succeed now if it meant the end of cold
fusion. No matter how safe or useful the plasma fusion reactor may be, I
expect it will still be expensive. I think cold fusion has many intrinsic
advantages, so it would be a shame to abandon it.

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To change the subject, here is something I have been thinking about for
some time.

"It would be a shame to abandon it." You can say the same about solar
energy. (Or wind, gas or coal I suppose.) If cold fusion starts to succeed,
people who have devoted years of effort to solar will surely feel regret.
They will say: "Let's hang on to this! There might still be a niche market
for solar!" No, sorry, probably not.

Those people will resemble sailing ship captains in the late 19th century,
who saw the end of their era approaching. They understood, of course, that
steamships were much better in many ways. But naturally they still had
regrets, and a feeling of nostalgia. Around 1935 when my father was in the
merchant marine on a freighter in the Atlantic out of New York, they came
upon a full rigged sailing ship, probably one of the last. The captain of
the steamship hailed the sailing ship, and then slowed down and down, and
steered a course slowly around it, twice. Then he finally pulled out and
headed to the destination. A romantic gesture. My father said the captain
seemed sad, and lost in memories of his youth. I suppose he was in his 50s
and remembered the late 19th century when the harbors at New York still had
many sailing ships. See:

http://www.shorpy.com/files/images/SHORPY_4a09256a.preview.jpg

(I expect these had steel hulls and auxiliary engines. They were still in
use because it was cheaper -- you did not need coal.)

People usually invest a measure of emotion and love in their jobs and in
the tools they use. You can't help it. I recall a bumper sticker on a big
truck on the highway, "A man and his truck -- it's a beautiful thing."

- Jed

RE: [Vo]:Tri Alpha Energy web site

[Jones Beene]

From: Lennart Thornros 

 

Jones,

Why is disqualified as LENR/CF?

 

 

 

Lennart- simply because a large amount of energy ia applied to the fuel at the 
start to achieve “ignition.” Yes, it is true that some devices which are 
labeled as LENR also require plasmas which are relatively hot – at least they 
cannot really be called “cold” (as opposed to small scale). Mizuno’s glow 
discharge would be an example. 

 

However, the scale and cost of LENR devices can invariably be reduced 
significantly. That seems to be the distinction. For LENR, we are usually 
talking about a reactor which can involve high temperature (as in a laser 
pulse) but small size and low cost.

 

In the case of Tri-Alpha, the large device you see in the video will need to be 
scaled up considerably for breakeven, and will likely cost hundreds of millions 
of dollars.

 

Re: [Vo]:Tri Alpha Energy web site

[Lennart Thornros]

Thank You Jones and Ed.

On this other note; Sailboats beats stinkers any day:)


Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros


lenn...@thornros.com
+1 916 436 1899

Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and
enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM)


On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Jones Beene  wrote:
>
>
>> Lennart- simply because a large amount of energy ia applied to the fuel
>> at the start to achieve “ignition.” Yes, it is true that some devices which
>> are labeled as LENR also require plasmas which are relatively hot – at
>> least they cannot really be called “cold” (as opposed to small scale).
>> Mizuno’s glow discharge would be an example.
>>
>
> I agree.
>
> Perhaps as we learn more, this will turn out to be a false distinction, or
> an arbitrary dividing line. But based on current knowledge, I think there
> are fundamental differences between something like the Tri Alpha Device and
> LENR, and Beene has described the most important difference.
>
> This is not LENR, although it may be valuable. Still . . . I would hate to
> see any kind of plasma fusion succeed now if it meant the end of cold
> fusion. No matter how safe or useful the plasma fusion reactor may be, I
> expect it will still be expensive. I think cold fusion has many intrinsic
> advantages, so it would be a shame to abandon it.
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
>
> To change the subject, here is something I have been thinking about for
> some time.
>
> "It would be a shame to abandon it." You can say the same about solar
> energy. (Or wind, gas or coal I suppose.) If cold fusion starts to succeed,
> people who have devoted years of effort to solar will surely feel regret.
> They will say: "Let's hang on to this! There might still be a niche market
> for solar!" No, sorry, probably not.
>
> Those people will resemble sailing ship captains in the late 19th century,
> who saw the end of their era approaching. They understood, of course, that
> steamships were much better in many ways. But naturally they still had
> regrets, and a feeling of nostalgia. Around 1935 when my father was in the
> merchant marine on a freighter in the Atlantic out of New York, they came
> upon a full rigged sailing ship, probably one of the last. The captain of
> the steamship hailed the sailing ship, and then slowed down and down, and
> steered a course slowly around it, twice. Then he finally pulled out and
> headed to the destination. A romantic gesture. My father said the captain
> seemed sad, and lost in memories of his youth. I suppose he was in his 50s
> and remembered the late 19th century when the harbors at New York still had
> many sailing ships. See:
>
> http://www.shorpy.com/files/images/SHORPY_4a09256a.preview.jpg
>
> (I expect these had steel hulls and auxiliary engines. They were still in
> use because it was cheaper -- you did not need coal.)
>
> People usually invest a measure of emotion and love in their jobs and in
> the tools they use. You can't help it. I recall a bumper sticker on a big
> truck on the highway, "A man and his truck -- it's a beautiful thing."
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Tri Alpha Energy web site

[Terry Blanton]

At $2,000 per liter, He3 is presently in high demand.  Maybe this is
why Russia is looking at a permanent base on the moon?

Re: [Vo]:Tri Alpha Energy web site

[Lennart Thornros]

Jones,
Why is disqualified as LENR/CF?


Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros


lenn...@thornros.com
+1 916 436 1899

Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and
enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM)


On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> -Original Message-
> From: a.ashfield
>
> Tri Alpha Energy now has a web site.
>
> http://www.trialphaenergy.com/
>
>
> Slick. No, beyond slick. But this is not LENR, and only differs from hot
> magnetic containment fusion in the simplicity of the system, and of course
> the aneutronic fuel.
>
> The promo video looks almost "too perfect" to be real ... as if it was it
> produced by Hollywood for an upcoming film using actors instead of
> scientists. This is suspicious but if it has not been staged (such as: for
> use as a prelude to an IPO) then it could be a game changer. Certainly a
> ton of money has been poured into the hardware.
>
> As for the science- the claim is to fuse boron with protons in plasma
> phase. Usually this requires lasers, but this is different. If true, it
> would be an ideal solution, since boron-11 is the most promising form of
> aneutronic fusion... if indeed they can completely avoid neutrons. The
> video shows techies working inside the reactor, so (assuming this has not
> been staged by Hollywood) there is indeed no neutron activation.
>
> Yet - how far are they from breakeven? That detail seems to have been
> carefully avoided.
>
>
>
>

RE: [Vo]:Tri Alpha Energy web site

[Jones Beene]

-Original Message-
From: a.ashfield 

Tri Alpha Energy now has a web site.  

http://www.trialphaenergy.com/


Slick. No, beyond slick. But this is not LENR, and only differs from hot 
magnetic containment fusion in the simplicity of the system, and of course the 
aneutronic fuel. 

The promo video looks almost "too perfect" to be real ... as if it was it 
produced by Hollywood for an upcoming film using actors instead of scientists. 
This is suspicious but if it has not been staged (such as: for use as a prelude 
to an IPO) then it could be a game changer. Certainly a ton of money has been 
poured into the hardware.

As for the science- the claim is to fuse boron with protons in plasma phase. 
Usually this requires lasers, but this is different. If true, it would be an 
ideal solution, since boron-11 is the most promising form of aneutronic 
fusion... if indeed they can completely avoid neutrons. The video shows techies 
working inside the reactor, so (assuming this has not been staged by Hollywood) 
there is indeed no neutron activation. 

Yet - how far are they from breakeven? That detail seems to have been carefully 
avoided.