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Hi group, As a physicist I feel obliged to spread the word on cold fusion and explain what it is to the general public. In that attempt I wrote the linked paper, please have a look and give me your blunt feedback. Also please use the paper however you see fit. http://bit.ly/cold-fusion Thanks, Bastiaan.
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One word to describe your paper. EXCELLENT. AG On 11/25/2011 10:32 AM, Bastiaan Bergman wrote: Hi group, As a physicist I feel obliged to spread the word on cold fusion and explain what it is to the general public. In that attempt I wrote the linked paper, please have a look and give me your blunt feedback. Also please use the paper however you see fit. http://bit.ly/cold-fusion Thanks, Bastiaan.
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On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 2:02 AM, Bastiaan Bergman < bastiaan.berg...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi group, > > As a physicist I feel obliged to spread the word on cold fusion and > explain what it is to the general public. In that attempt I wrote the > linked paper, please have a look and give me your blunt feedback. Also > please use the paper however you see fit. > > http://bit.ly/cold-fusion > > Thanks, > Bastiaan. > > Dear Bastiaan, I like the logical structure of your paper- and it is very well written. However if you speak about the Ni-H fusion, the historical truth is that this does not resulted from a technical revelation of Andrea Rossi but was discovered by Prof. Francesco Piantelli at Aug.16 1989 and developed by Piantelli's group from Siena Univ. in collaboration with Focardi's group from Bologna Univ. - the later doing mainly the analytical part. Their reseach has attested the nuclear nature of the anomalous phenomenon and has put the basics of the scale up of the heat effect. See please: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2011/08/piantelli-taxonomy_15.html http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2011/08/how-does-apply-prof-piantelli-rules-of.html In New Energy Times No. 29 you will find two important papers about Piantelli. who is a great, real scientist. Rossi tries to convince the world that his system is quite different from Piantelli's but Piantelli was the first to discover the nanotechnological nature of the phenomenon, has worked with Ni powder much before Rossi. This is one of the reasons Rossi cannot obtain a patent. Please compare Piantelli's patents (see the taxonomy) with Rossi's and you will get an explanation. Possi has made an Edisonian search and has found an additive that enhances the process, but his system still remains a Piantelli Plus process. In the frame of his very peculiar prestige management, Rossi denies this connection. He does this from personal reasons, Piantelli did not accepted him as collaborator. I think that it would be fair to tell about Piantelli in your paper. And the story is not over, Rossi Secret is very vulnerable (see Defkalion, Chan's Formula) and very soon a lot of Piantelli daughter technologies will compete with that Regan or Goneril that is Rossi's method. Peter with Ross -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
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- Original Nachricht Von: Peter Gluck An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 25.11.2011 10:22 Betreff: Re: Re: [Vo]:bit.ly/cold-fusion [snip] > I will try to get information re the work with metalhydrides at the > Plank Institute I liked very much the idea from the Chan's Formula to use > metalhydrides as sources of hydrogen in a Ni-H system > PeterG > [snip] Examples are countless. Some of them: http://www.mpg.de/1167514/Hydrogen_storage They search a catalysator for fast hydrogen loading. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19333448 High temperature heat storage in metal hydrides. I have read a longer report but cannot find it now. You will find hundreds of research projects. Metalhydrides are very important in combustion cells and accus also and are heavily researched worldwide. Peter
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- Original Nachricht Von: Peter Gluck An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 25.11.2011 10:22 Betreff: Re: Re: [Vo]:bit.ly/cold-fusion [snip] > I will try to get information re the work with metalhydrides at the > Plank Institute I liked very much the idea from the Chan's Formula to use > metalhydrides as sources of hydrogen in a Ni-H system > PeterG > [snip] Examples are countless. Some of them: http://www.mpg.de/1167514/Hydrogen_storage They search a catalysator for fast hydrogen loading. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19333448 High temperature heat storage in metal hydrides. The full article is here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2662468/ This is /VERY/ interesting. They use catalysts and nickel doping and temperatures up to 500 degrees and pressures upto 100 bar. The mechanism is precisely explained in the article. Why dont they get fusion? Put Rossis catalyst into this container, and it should explode, or kill anybody around by radiation ;-) You will find hundreds of research projects. Metalhydrides are very important in combustion cells and accus also and are heavily researched worldwide. Peter
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Very interesting, indeed. Thank you, Peter. Four observations a) MgH2 is more stable than NiHn: Mg might simply suck up the hydrogen b) nonetheless, it is on the surface of Ni powder particles that H2 breaks up more easily, hence the rationale to use Ni as catalyst for MgH formation and decomposition c) there do not seem to be the cycling and pulsations, electrochemical, mechanical or electromagnetic, which appear to be needed in order to start the anomalous heat generation itself. d) even if some anomalous heat had been generated, how to sort it out from just a faster/more complete hydride formation, anotehr exothermic process? If cold fusion had happened, in small quantity, it would have been taken as a funky quirk. On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 12:14 PM, wrote: > > > > - Original Nachricht > Von: Peter Gluck > An: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Datum: 25.11.2011 10:22 > Betreff: Re: Re: [Vo]:bit.ly/cold-fusion > > [snip] > > I will try to get information re the work with metalhydrides at the > > Plank Institute I liked very much the idea from the Chan's Formula to use > > metalhydrides as sources of hydrogen in a Ni-H system > > PeterG > > > [snip] > Examples are countless. Some of them: > http://www.mpg.de/1167514/Hydrogen_storage They search a catalysator for > fast hydrogen loading. > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19333448 High temperature heat > storage in metal hydrides. > The full article is here: > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2662468/ > This is /VERY/ interesting. > They use catalysts and nickel doping and temperatures up to 500 degrees > and pressures upto 100 bar. > The mechanism is precisely explained in the article. > Why dont they get fusion? > Put Rossis catalyst into this container, and it should explode, or kill > anybody around by radiation ;-) > > You will find hundreds of research projects. Metalhydrides are very > important in combustion cells and accus also and are heavily researched > worldwide. > > Peter > > -- Marcello Vitale via Cavallotti 5, 20093 Cologno Monzese, MI, ITALY phone: +39 338 484 9724 skype: marcello_vitale_UK email: mvit...@ucsbalum.net
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Hello Bastiaan Bergman, As a pragmatic skeptic re cold fusion since December, 1996, I hope you pay some attention to the contributions on Vortex-L by Cude, Heffner, and Yugo -- it is reasonably argued that no public data yet succeed in confirming excess heat in the many Rossi demos... within mutual service, Rich Murray lame LENR H-Ni run report by Sergio Focardi and Francesco Piantelli, 9 pages, Il Nuovo Cimento, November 1998 -- recent news: Rich Murray 2011.08.20 http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2011/08/lame-lenr-h-ni-run-report-by-sergio.html http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/94 __ [ summary of critique: science that purports to establish a notable percentage increase in excess heat as a reproducible anomaly, as reported herein, is very lacking re many critical details and shows lack of common sense consideration of reasonable complications -- as usual in LENR research, an enthusiastic team created a "black" witch's cauldron, full of impurities, sealed and invisible to detailed observation during months of cooking in H2 gas at high temperatures. Probably, corrosion opened up additional conducting paths, reducing the total electrical resistance fed by the constant voltage power supply, increasing the total input electric power via increased current flow, which increased ordinary electric heat effects in complex ways within the black box. So far, the surge of enticing, but vague, thin, and variable information follows the pattern of the Rossi debacle in 2010-2011... ] [ search http://www.lenr-canr.org/ Piantelli to get 5 pages of items that include many full text papers ] http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/FocardiSlargeexces.pdf 10 pages [ more ... ] On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Bastiaan Bergman wrote: > Hi group, > > As a physicist I feel obliged to spread the word on cold fusion and > explain what it is to the general public. In that attempt I wrote the > linked paper, please have a look and give me your blunt feedback. Also > please use the paper however you see fit. > > http://bit.ly/cold-fusion > > Thanks, > Bastiaan. > >
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the critics could look ok when anomaly was around 20W and below % with old instruments. maybe even critics could not sustain honest check (accusing a chemist of failing heat computation, is like accusing an accountant to break a balance). with reports, if they are honest, like the one about the test in sweden on the small e-cat, reporting 25kW anomaly, any chemical process is insufficient. maybe we should find, scientifically, why this domain could not , and still cannot convince, despite much better proof than many well funded science domain, that play with model, uncertain data, hazardous proxy measures. despite the fact that instead of costing trillions , it cost few billions, for an easy checkable result... could be interesting in human systems engineering (some people call that sociology). really I don't understand current situation, and why people are not massively interested... 8-/ I feel as if I missed something, about CF or about humanity. 2011/11/25 Rich Murray > [ summary of critique: > ... as usual in LENR > research, an enthusiastic team created a "black" witch's cauldron, > full of impurities, sealed and invisible to detailed observation > during months of cooking in H2 gas at high temperatures. > > Probably, corrosion opened up additional conducting paths, reducing > the total electrical resistance fed by the constant voltage power > supply, increasing the total input electric power via increased > current flow, which increased ordinary electric heat effects in > complex ways within the black box. > ... > >
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Am 25.11.2011 13:54, schrieb Marcello Vitale:
Very interesting, indeed. Thank you, Peter. Four observations
a) MgH2 is more stable than NiHn: Mg might simply suck up the hydrogen
b) nonetheless, it is on the surface of Ni powder particles that H2
breaks up more easily, hence the rationale to use Ni as catalyst for
MgH formation and decomposition
c) there do not seem to be the cycling and pulsations,
electrochemical, mechanical or electromagnetic, which appear to be
needed in order to start the anomalous heat generation itself.
d) even if some anomalous heat had been generated, how to sort it out
from just a faster/more complete hydride formation, anotehr exothermic
process? If cold fusion had happened, in small quantity, it would have
been taken as a funky quirk.
I dont think so.
In laboratory experiments they will probably measure it accurately.
Thermal hysteris is an important parameter for a solidstate hydrogen
storage device.
The larger the hysteresis, the larger the energetic loss and of course
they try to minimize it.
If they get negative hysteresis, they have probably found cold fusion ;-).
Also I believe they examines the crystal structures with advanced
methods like x-rays, and when there are transmutation elements, they
should discover them.
Here is a link to the munich airport hydrogen project:
http://ieahia.org/pdfs/munich_airport.pdf
They use a gigantic metalpowder-in pipes arrangement to store 2000 m^3
hydrogen at 250 bar pressure.
To unload the hydrogen, heat must be applied.
It is clear, they dont build something like this without previous research.
This is working for years and succesfully.
Again, put Rossis catalyzer inside. ;-)
So, if a catalyzer exists it must be something extraordinary, that
nobody tried before.
For example high frequency. RF can make the joints of metal particles
melt or pull them together until electrons tunnel through the barriers.
This effect was used in ealy days of wireless telegraphy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coherer
[begin citation]
Coherence of particles by radio waves is an obscure phenomenon that is
not well understood even today. Recent experiments with particle
coherers seem to have confirmed the hypothesis that the particles cohere
by a micro-weld phenomenon caused by radio frequency
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Frequency> electricity flowing
across the small contact area between particles.^[1]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coherer#cite_note-0> The underlying
principle of so-called "imperfect contact" coherers is also not well
understood, but may involve a kind of tunneling
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_tunnelling> of charge carriers
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charge_carrier> across an imperfect
junction between conductors.
[end citation]
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 12:14 PM, <mailto:peter.heck...@arcor.de>> wrote:
- Original Nachricht
Von: Peter Gluck mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com>>
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Datum: 25.11.2011 10:22
Betreff: Re: Re: [Vo]:bit.ly/cold-fusion <http://bit.ly/cold-fusion>
[snip]
> I will try to get information re the work with metalhydrides at the
> Plank Institute I liked very much the idea from the Chan's
Formula to use
> metalhydrides as sources of hydrogen in a Ni-H system
> PeterG
>
[snip]
Examples are countless. Some of them:
http://www.mpg.de/1167514/Hydrogen_storage They search a
catalysator for fast hydrogen loading.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19333448 High temperature heat
storage in metal hydrides.
The full article is here:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2662468/
This is /VERY/ interesting.
They use catalysts and nickel doping and temperatures up to 500
degrees and pressures upto 100 bar.
The mechanism is precisely explained in the article.
Why dont they get fusion?
Put Rossis catalyst into this container, and it should explode, or
kill anybody around by radiation ;-)
You will find hundreds of research projects. Metalhydrides are
very important in combustion cells and accus also and are heavily
researched worldwide.
Peter
--
Marcello Vitale
via Cavallotti 5, 20093 Cologno Monzese, MI, ITALY
phone: +39 338 484 9724
skype: marcello_vitale_UK
email: mvit...@ucsbalum.net <mailto:mvit...@ucsbalum.net>
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tood, but may involve a kind of > tunneling<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_tunnelling>of charge > carriers <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charge_carrier> across an > imperfect junction between conductors. > [end citation] > > > On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 12:14 PM, wrote: > >> >> >> >> - Original Nachricht >> Von: Peter Gluck >> An: vortex-l@eskimo.com >> Datum: 25.11.2011 10:22 >> Betreff: Re: Re: [Vo]:bit.ly/cold-fusion >> >> [snip] >> > I will try to get information re the work with metalhydrides at the >> > Plank Institute I liked very much the idea from the Chan's Formula to >> use >> > metalhydrides as sources of hydrogen in a Ni-H system >> > PeterG >> > >> [snip] >> Examples are countless. Some of them: >> http://www.mpg.de/1167514/Hydrogen_storage They search a catalysator >> for fast hydrogen loading. >> >> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19333448 High temperature heat >> storage in metal hydrides. >> The full article is here: >> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2662468/ >> This is /VERY/ interesting. >> They use catalysts and nickel doping and temperatures up to 500 degrees >> and pressures upto 100 bar. >> The mechanism is precisely explained in the article. >> Why dont they get fusion? >> Put Rossis catalyst into this container, and it should explode, or kill >> anybody around by radiation ;-) >> >> You will find hundreds of research projects. Metalhydrides are very >> important in combustion cells and accus also and are heavily researched >> worldwide. >> >> Peter >> >> > >
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ctive. > > We followed through pushing the process (by changing the irradiation light > spectrum) until the silver nanoplatelets were actually about one micron long > and absorbed in the NIR. Got a couple of application patents using those. > Anyway, my point is that there was no theory in the literature as to why the > platelets formed that way (and we were not paid to explore theory). The > electromagnetic effect you are mentioning might be it, finally pushing > everything in the shape that provides the resonant plasmon. > > On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Peter Heckert > wrote: >> >> Am 25.11.2011 13:54, schrieb Marcello Vitale: >> >> Very interesting, indeed. Thank you, Peter. Four observations >> >> a) MgH2 is more stable than NiHn: Mg might simply suck up the hydrogen >> b) nonetheless, it is on the surface of Ni powder particles that H2 breaks >> up more easily, hence the rationale to use Ni as catalyst for MgH formation >> and decomposition >> c) there do not seem to be the cycling and pulsations, electrochemical, >> mechanical or electromagnetic, which appear to be needed in order to start >> the anomalous heat generation itself. >> d) even if some anomalous heat had been generated, how to sort it out from >> just a faster/more complete hydride formation, anotehr exothermic process? >> If cold fusion had happened, in small quantity, it would have been taken as >> a funky quirk. >> >> I dont think so. >> In laboratory experiments they will probably measure it accurately. >> Thermal hysteris is an important parameter for a solidstate hydrogen >> storage device. >> The larger the hysteresis, the larger the energetic loss and of course >> they try to minimize it. >> If they get negative hysteresis, they have probably found cold fusion ;-). >> Also I believe they examines the crystal structures with advanced methods >> like x-rays, and when there are transmutation elements, they should discover >> them. >> >> Here is a link to the munich airport hydrogen project: >> http://ieahia.org/pdfs/munich_airport.pdf >> They use a gigantic metalpowder-in pipes arrangement to store 2000 m^3 >> hydrogen at 250 bar pressure. >> To unload the hydrogen, heat must be applied. >> It is clear, they dont build something like this without previous >> research. >> This is working for years and succesfully. >> Again, put Rossis catalyzer inside. ;-) >> >> So, if a catalyzer exists it must be something extraordinary, that nobody >> tried before. >> For example high frequency. RF can make the joints of metal particles melt >> or pull them together until electrons tunnel through the barriers. >> This effect was used in ealy days of wireless telegraphy. >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coherer >> [begin citation] >> Coherence of particles by radio waves is an obscure phenomenon that is not >> well understood even today. Recent experiments with particle coherers seem >> to have confirmed the hypothesis that the particles cohere by a micro-weld >> phenomenon caused by radio frequency electricity flowing across the small >> contact area between particles.[1] The underlying principle of so-called >> "imperfect contact" coherers is also not well understood, but may involve a >> kind of tunneling of charge carriers across an imperfect junction between >> conductors. >> [end citation] >> >> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 12:14 PM, wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> - Original Nachricht >>> Von: Peter Gluck >>> An: vortex-l@eskimo.com >>> Datum: 25.11.2011 10:22 >>> Betreff: Re: Re: [Vo]:bit.ly/cold-fusion >>> >>> [snip] >>> > I will try to get information re the work with metalhydrides at the >>> > Plank Institute I liked very much the idea from the Chan's Formula to >>> > use >>> > metalhydrides as sources of hydrogen in a Ni-H system >>> > PeterG >>> > >>> [snip] >>> Examples are countless. Some of them: >>> http://www.mpg.de/1167514/Hydrogen_storage They search a catalysator for >>> fast hydrogen loading. >>> >>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19333448 High temperature heat >>> storage in metal hydrides. >>> The full article is here: >>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2662468/ >>> This is /VERY/ interesting. >>> They use catalysts and nickel doping and temperatures up to 500 degrees >>> and pressures upto 100 bar. >>> The mechanism is precisely explained in the article. >>> Why dont they get fusion? >>> Put Rossis catalyst into this container, and it should explode, or kill >>> anybody around by radiation ;-) >>> >>> You will find hundreds of research projects. Metalhydrides are very >>> important in combustion cells and accus also and are heavily researched >>> worldwide. >>> >>> Peter >>> >> >> >
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>> It is clear, they dont build something like this without previous >>> research. >>> This is working for years and succesfully. >>> Again, put Rossis catalyzer inside. ;-) >>> >>> So, if a catalyzer exists it must be something extraordinary, that nobody >>> tried before. >>> For example high frequency. RF can make the joints of metal particles melt >>> or pull them together until electrons tunnel through the barriers. >>> This effect was used in ealy days of wireless telegraphy. >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coherer >>> [begin citation] >>> Coherence of particles by radio waves is an obscure phenomenon that is not >>> well understood even today. Recent experiments with particle coherers seem >>> to have confirmed the hypothesis that the particles cohere by a micro-weld >>> phenomenon caused by radio frequency electricity flowing across the small >>> contact area between particles.[1] The underlying principle of so-called >>> "imperfect contact" coherers is also not well understood, but may involve a >>> kind of tunneling of charge carriers across an imperfect junction between >>> conductors. >>> [end citation] >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 12:14 PM, wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - Original Nachricht >>>> Von: Peter Gluck >>>> An: vortex-l@eskimo.com >>>> Datum: 25.11.2011 10:22 >>>> Betreff: Re: Re: [Vo]:bit.ly/cold-fusion >>>> >>>> [snip] >>>> > I will try to get information re the work with metalhydrides at the >>>> > Plank Institute I liked very much the idea from the Chan's Formula to >>>> > use >>>> > metalhydrides as sources of hydrogen in a Ni-H system >>>> > PeterG >>>> > >>>> [snip] >>>> Examples are countless. Some of them: >>>> http://www.mpg.de/1167514/Hydrogen_storage They search a catalysator for >>>> fast hydrogen loading. >>>> >>>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19333448 High temperature heat >>>> storage in metal hydrides. >>>> The full article is here: >>>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2662468/ >>>> This is /VERY/ interesting. >>>> They use catalysts and nickel doping and temperatures up to 500 degrees >>>> and pressures upto 100 bar. >>>> The mechanism is precisely explained in the article. >>>> Why dont they get fusion? >>>> Put Rossis catalyst into this container, and it should explode, or kill >>>> anybody around by radiation ;-) >>>> >>>> You will find hundreds of research projects. Metalhydrides are very >>>> important in combustion cells and accus also and are heavily researched >>>> worldwide. >>>> >>>> Peter >>>> >>> >>> >> > >
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mething like this without previous > >> research. > >> This is working for years and succesfully. > >> Again, put Rossis catalyzer inside. ;-) > >> > >> So, if a catalyzer exists it must be something extraordinary, that > nobody > >> tried before. > >> For example high frequency. RF can make the joints of metal particles > melt > >> or pull them together until electrons tunnel through the barriers. > >> This effect was used in ealy days of wireless telegraphy. > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coherer > >> [begin citation] > >> Coherence of particles by radio waves is an obscure phenomenon that is > not > >> well understood even today. Recent experiments with particle coherers > seem > >> to have confirmed the hypothesis that the particles cohere by a > micro-weld > >> phenomenon caused by radio frequency electricity flowing across the > small > >> contact area between particles.[1] The underlying principle of so-called > >> "imperfect contact" coherers is also not well understood, but may > involve a > >> kind of tunneling of charge carriers across an imperfect junction > between > >> conductors. > >> [end citation] > >> > >> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 12:14 PM, wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> - Original Nachricht > >>> Von: Peter Gluck > >>> An: vortex-l@eskimo.com > >>> Datum: 25.11.2011 10:22 > >>> Betreff: Re: Re: [Vo]:bit.ly/cold-fusion > >>> > >>> [snip] > >>> > I will try to get information re the work with metalhydrides at the > >>> > Plank Institute I liked very much the idea from the Chan's Formula to > >>> > use > >>> > metalhydrides as sources of hydrogen in a Ni-H system > >>> > PeterG > >>> > > >>> [snip] > >>> Examples are countless. Some of them: > >>> http://www.mpg.de/1167514/Hydrogen_storage They search a catalysator > for > >>> fast hydrogen loading. > >>> > >>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19333448 High temperature heat > >>> storage in metal hydrides. > >>> The full article is here: > >>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2662468/ > >>> This is /VERY/ interesting. > >>> They use catalysts and nickel doping and temperatures up to 500 degrees > >>> and pressures upto 100 bar. > >>> The mechanism is precisely explained in the article. > >>> Why dont they get fusion? > >>> Put Rossis catalyst into this container, and it should explode, or kill > >>> anybody around by radiation ;-) > >>> > >>> You will find hundreds of research projects. Metalhydrides are very > >>> important in combustion cells and accus also and are heavily researched > >>> worldwide. > >>> > >>> Peter > >>> > >> > >> > > > > -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
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In my opinion, Piantelli's work is meaningless. He was not able to do anything with Ni-H fusion. Piantelli is like a person who discovers heavy crude oil. Andrea Rossi is the person who was able to refine it into high grade jet fuel, and use it to power an aircraft. Anyone who thinks that Piantelli owns the rights to Rossi's technology, must also believe that the individuals who discovered the transistor back in 1947 now own the rights to all high end personal computers. It is simply insane. From: Peter Gluck To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 4:32 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:bit.ly/cold-fusion Dear Bastiaan, It is better, however facts are are facts and truth is truth, and priority is... you can guess it...priority! FYI- BRIEF HISTORY & CHRONOLOGY OF Ni-H LENR - 16 August 1989. Francesco Piantelli at the Department of Physics of the Universityof Siena, accidentally discovers the phenomenon of Ni-H while working on a project of Biophysics;the effect of hydrogen on gangliosides on a support of Ni lamina - From December 1989 and January 1990. In the Physics dep. the phenomenon is replicated with the construction of the first cell; - Between January and June 1990. The phenomenon is repeated for two times; - October 1990. Meeting of Piantelli with R. Habel and S.Focardi at the S.I.F.National Congress of Physics held in Trento; start of collaboration, - 1991-1992 First experiment from the collaboration with the two Italian physicists; - 1993 At the FisiocriticiAcademyin Sienais made of the first publication about the work of 1990 under the sole name of Piantelli; The paper is: F. Piantelli -"Anornalous Energy Production in Experirnents with H and D Isotopes adsorbed in particular metallic Lattice", Atti Acc. Fis. Serie XV-Tomo XII -(1993) - 1994 Completions of the Piantelli-Habel-Focardi experiment published at Nuovo Cimento; - 1994 R. Habel stops the collaboration; etc., etc. Please take in account that almost all experiments for anomalous heat were done at Siena U. Bologna was focused on the analytical side. As an aside, please let me know how do you interpret Focardi's declaration that he does not know what Rossi's catayst is. Best wishes, Peter On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 1:17 AM, Bastiaan Bergman wrote: All, > >Thanks for your input, I updated the paper to incorporate most of your >comments. >@Aussie Thanks; > >@Peter I maintain that Rossi forced the current big breakthrough, >whether it is "just an additive" or not. I agree with you that it is >fair to mention Piantelli and Focardi as founders and completely >revised that section to include it. > >@Rich I believe I did pay a fair amount of attention to the critics. I >summarized all point is the paragraph "What the critics say" and more >in the paragraph about Rossi. I think the critique you summarize is >equally valid for super-conduction. Any paper in professional >literature can be found to "lack of common sense" on some points and >short of some additional measurement that could have been done on >others, once scrutinized by an army of skeptics. However, the sum of >the work done by many independent laboratories using a variety of >different approaches shows, without doubt, a pattern that is difficult >to reject as pathological science. Small government funding for >further investigation is well warranted. No point to criticize >something that doesn't exist, if you don't like it, ignore it. But I >do like your contributions Rich:-) > >@Alain "I feel as if I missed something, about CF or about humanity" >- Exactly! What is going on? I feel like Truman in one of your "human >systems" experiments ;-) > >@Robin I was a bit overly optimistic with the energy density, >corrected it. 3 cubic mile oil - equivalents is our energy >consumption, this includes coal and uranium (and renewables). 1 CMO is >oil alone. I corrected it anyway, no point overstating that. Thanks >for pointing this out, it's not worth getting caught on. > >Some (early version of?) H-bombs use multiple fission bombs, not all, >and maybe none of the modern ones. It doesn't really matter, I feel >like I have to underline the dirtiness of this business anyway. >Intriguing in this regard I find the new studies that point out that >there is very little evidence of the fusion part of these bombs >contributing significantly to the power. Intriguing because the >inventor of the H-bomb is a prominent cold-fusion skeptic, citing the >lack of evidence... > >"Hydrogen atoms do not repel each other. Naked protons repel each other. That's >why hot fusion is so difficult - they insist on using naked protons." >- I agree. For sake of simplicity I skipped over it
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5 months after the 23 March 1989 P and F announcement which may have helped Piantelli to understand he was seeing a "Cold Fusion", as it was called back then, effect. I suspect Rossi's burnt finger tip happened when it touched a piece of Nickel in his bio fuel converter system that should not be hot. I find it interesting that Larsen believes there may be LENR reactions happening in automotive catalytic converters and elsewhere in natural systems. He may be right. Starts at page 39: http://www.slideshare.net/lewisglarsen/lattice-energy-llc-len-rs-in-catalytic-convertersjune-25-2010 AG On 11/27/2011 8:02 PM, Peter Gluck wrote: - 16 August 1989. Francesco Piantelli at the Department of Physics of the Universityof Siena, accidentally discovers the phenomenon of Ni-H while working on a project of Biophysics;the effect of hydrogen on gangliosides on a support of Ni lamina
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Yes, the Widom-Larsen network is sharing many reasonable, evidence driven lines of new research, including water tree corrosion in high density polyethylene insulation in high voltage AC power cables: reactive gas micro and nano bubbles complicate Widom-Larsen theory re electrolytic cells -- metal isotope anomalies in 'water tree' corrosion of power cable polyethylene insulation, T Kumazawa et al 2005 -- 2008 Japan: Rich Murray 2011.06.02 http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2011/06/reactive-gas-micro-and-nano-bubbles.html http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/85 within mutual service, Rich Murray On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 2:02 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > 5 months after the 23 March 1989 P and F announcement which may have helped > Piantelli to understand he was seeing a "Cold Fusion", as it was called back > then, effect. I suspect Rossi's burnt finger tip happened when it touched a > piece of Nickel in his bio fuel converter system that should not be hot. I > find it interesting that Larsen believes there may be LENR reactions > happening in automotive catalytic converters and elsewhere in natural > systems. He may be right. Starts at page 39: > http://www.slideshare.net/lewisglarsen/lattice-energy-llc-len-rs-in-catalytic-convertersjune-25-2010 > > AG > > > On 11/27/2011 8:02 PM, Peter Gluck wrote: >> >> - 16 August 1989. Francesco Piantelli at the Department of Physics of the >> Universityof Siena, accidentally discovers the phenomenon of Ni-H while >> working on a project of Biophysics;the effect of hydrogen on gangliosides on >> a support of Ni lamina > >
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From: Peter Gluck * Dear Bastiaan, * It is better, however facts are facts and truth is truth, and priority is... you can guess it...priority! * FYI- BRIEF HISTORY & CHRONOLOGY OF Ni-H LENR Peter, I am surprised that you overlooked Randell Mill's earlier priority dates and publications for Ni-H, since you have followed this story closely from the beginning. Officially his WIPO application is still pending AFAIK ... (# WO 92/10838) and the priority date is December 1990. He had already published the first addition of his CQM Theory by this time. He beat Piantelli and Focardi both to the patent office and to the publisher. Can you really say that they preceded him? Jones <>
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Please do not be surprised, Randy considers that his process has nothing to do with Rossi's or Paintelli's. And the BLP technology (I still hope to see it working more or less publicly this year) is hyperchemistry while Ni-H LENR is nuclear. other leagues no competition. In case you are interested in details please write me privately. Peter On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > From: Peter Gluck > > * Dear Bastiaan, > > * It is better, however facts are facts and truth is truth, and > priority is... you can guess it...priority! > > * FYI- BRIEF HISTORY & CHRONOLOGY OF Ni-H LENR > > > Peter, > > I am surprised that you overlooked Randell Mill's earlier priority dates > and > publications for Ni-H, since you have followed this story closely from the > beginning. > > Officially his WIPO application is still pending AFAIK ... (# WO 92/10838) > and the priority date is December 1990. > > He had already published the first addition of his CQM Theory by this time. > He beat Piantelli and Focardi both to the patent office and to the > publisher. Can you really say that they preceded him? > > Jones > > > > -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
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In reply to Peter Gluck's message of Sun, 27 Nov 2011 18:21:47 +0200: Hi Peter, >Please do not be surprised, Randy considers that his process >has nothing to do with Rossi's or Paintelli's. >And the BLP technology (I still hope to see it working more or less >publicly this year) is hyperchemistry while Ni-H LENR is nuclear. LENR may be both. Hyperchemistry providing much of the energy, with some of the shrunken Hydrogen occasionally undergoing a fusion reaction responsible for the low level ionizing radiation. Note that when Deuterium is used, the amount of actual fusion taking place may be much higher due to the fact that no weak force reactions are required, hence the fusion cross section is much higher. >other leagues no competition. In case you are interested in details please >write me privately. >Peter [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
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Dear Robin. I told mainly what Randy thinks- he has nothing to do with what Rossi (or Piantelli) has As regarding Transition Metals-H LENR (not only Ni works) I think that Piantellis' theory is the most realistic, logically consistent, and confirmed by experiment from the many theories I have seen in the realm of CF. It is predictive. On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 10:37 PM, wrote: > In reply to Peter Gluck's message of Sun, 27 Nov 2011 18:21:47 +0200: > Hi Peter, > >Please do not be surprised, Randy considers that his process > >has nothing to do with Rossi's or Paintelli's. > >And the BLP technology (I still hope to see it working more or less > >publicly this year) is hyperchemistry while Ni-H LENR is nuclear. > > LENR may be both. Hyperchemistry providing much of the energy, with some > of the > shrunken Hydrogen occasionally undergoing a fusion reaction responsible > for the > low level ionizing radiation. Note that when Deuterium is used, the amount > of > actual fusion taking place may be much higher due to the fact that no weak > force > reactions are required, hence the fusion cross section is much higher. > > >other leagues no competition. In case you are interested in details please > >write me privately. > >Peter > [snip] > Regards, > > Robin van Spaandonk > > http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html > > -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
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On 2011-11-27 21:52, Peter Gluck wrote: [...] As regarding Transition Metals-H LENR (not only Ni works)... It's interesting to know that not only Ni (in addition to Pd) works. I assume that Fe-H LENRs could be possible, at least in theory; I wonder at what efficiency, compared to Nickel. Cheers, S.A.
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Peter Gluck wrote: > I told mainly what Randy thinks- he has nothing to do with what Rossi (or > Piantelli) has > As McKubre says, the violates "conservation of miracles." This is just a feeling but it seems unlikely there are many different previously undiscovered ways to get anomalous heat from hydrides. - Jed
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In reply to Peter Gluck's message of Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:52:13 +0200: Hi Peter, [snip] >Dear Robin. > >I told mainly what Randy thinks- he has nothing to do with what Rossi (or >Piantelli) has I'm well aware that Randy doesn't want to have anything to do with CF. >As regarding Transition Metals-H LENR (not only Ni works) I think that >Piantellis' theory is the most realistic, logically consistent, and >confirmed by experiment from the many theories I have seen in the realm >of CF. It is predictive. As I understand it Piantelli relies on shrinking Hydride. How does he explain the lack of LENR in most circumstances where Hydride is ordinarily produced? IOW there doesn't appear to be any evidence from Chemistry that the negative hydrogen ion can shrink. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
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In reply to Akira Shirakawa's message of Sun, 27 Nov 2011 21:58:43 +0100: Hi, [snip] >On 2011-11-27 21:52, Peter Gluck wrote: >[...] >> As regarding Transition Metals-H LENR (not only Ni works)... > >It's interesting to know that not only Ni (in addition to Pd) works. >I assume that Fe-H LENRs could be possible, at least in theory; I wonder >at what efficiency, compared to Nickel. Rossi claims to have experimented with many materials. Why not ask him how effective Fe was relative to Ni? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
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Thanks for the interesting read: http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2011/06/reactive-gas-micro-and-nano-bubbles.html Amazing the amount of transmutation products found in "Water Trees". Will talk to a few friends in the local power utility to see what they know of from first hand experience. AG On 11/28/2011 12:55 AM, Rich Murray wrote: Yes, the Widom-Larsen network is sharing many reasonable, evidence driven lines of new research, including water tree corrosion in high density polyethylene insulation in high voltage AC power cables: reactive gas micro and nano bubbles complicate Widom-Larsen theory re electrolytic cells -- metal isotope anomalies in 'water tree' corrosion of power cable polyethylene insulation, T Kumazawa et al 2005 -- 2008 Japan: Rich Murray 2011.06.02 http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2011/06/reactive-gas-micro-and-nano-bubbles.html http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/85 within mutual service, Rich Murray On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 2:02 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: 5 months after the 23 March 1989 P and F announcement which may have helped Piantelli to understand he was seeing a "Cold Fusion", as it was called back then, effect. I suspect Rossi's burnt finger tip happened when it touched a piece of Nickel in his bio fuel converter system that should not be hot. I find it interesting that Larsen believes there may be LENR reactions happening in automotive catalytic converters and elsewhere in natural systems. He may be right. Starts at page 39: http://www.slideshare.net/lewisglarsen/lattice-energy-llc-len-rs-in-catalytic-convertersjune-25-2010 AG On 11/27/2011 8:02 PM, Peter Gluck wrote: - 16 August 1989. Francesco Piantelli at the Department of Physics of the Universityof Siena, accidentally discovers the phenomenon of Ni-H while working on a project of Biophysics;the effect of hydrogen on gangliosides on a support of Ni lamina
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> Rossi claims to have experimented with many materials. ISTR he said he tried one formula which gave a higher output than his current catalyst ... but it was too difficult to control.
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@Peter "As an aside, please let me know how do you interpret Focardi's declaration that he does not know what Rossi's catayst is." I think the obvious interpretation is that Rossi invented it, and didn't tell Focardi. I think that's the official story anyway and I don't see anthing wrong with that? I have no opinion about who did the most work, and who was the most intelligent. I would buy your version pretty easily, but then, really, it doesn't matter. What matters for the world is that we get it to the mainstream, finally. @Noone "Piantelli is like a person who discovers heavy crude oil. Andrea Rossi is the person who was able to refine it into high grade jet fuel, and use it to power an aircraft." I think both guys did great work, and many more will need to follow before we have a world powerd by cold fusion. There isn't one big name in oil, and the most famous or well known names aren't necessarily the ones who contributed the most. @Aussie Yes I agree, very interesting. If LENR really works at low energy it *must* be happening in nature already, and maybe also in some man-made processes that we didn't realize. There are reports on bacteria living on nickel,.. On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Alan Fletcher wrote: > > Rossi claims to have experimented with many materials. > > ISTR he said he tried one formula which gave a higher output than his > current catalyst ... but it was too difficult to control. > >
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Thanks for your appreciation -- here's more on the topic: self-organizing networks can develop simple test kits for metal isotope anomalies in 'water tree' corrosion of thin polyethylene films, re T Kumazawa 2005 -- 2008 Japan: Rich Murray 2011.06.03 http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2011/06/self-organizing-networks-can-develop.html http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/86 On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > Thanks for the interesting read: > http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2011/06/reactive-gas-micro-and-nano-bubbles.html > Amazing the amount of transmutation products found in "Water Trees". Will > talk to a few friends in the local power utility to see what they know of > from first hand experience. > > AG > > > On 11/28/2011 12:55 AM, Rich Murray wrote: >> >> Yes, the Widom-Larsen network is sharing many reasonable, evidence >> driven lines of new research, including water tree corrosion in high >> density polyethylene insulation in high voltage AC power cables: >> >> reactive gas micro and nano bubbles complicate Widom-Larsen theory re >> electrolytic cells -- metal isotope anomalies in 'water tree' >> corrosion of power cable polyethylene insulation, T Kumazawa et al >> 2005 -- 2008 Japan: Rich Murray 2011.06.02 >> >> http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2011/06/reactive-gas-micro-and-nano-bubbles.html >> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/85 >> >> >> within mutual service, Rich Murray >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 2:02 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat >> wrote: >> >>> 5 months after the 23 March 1989 P and F announcement which may have >>> helped >>> Piantelli to understand he was seeing a "Cold Fusion", as it was called >>> back >>> then, effect. I suspect Rossi's burnt finger tip happened when it touched >>> a >>> piece of Nickel in his bio fuel converter system that should not be hot. >>> I >>> find it interesting that Larsen believes there may be LENR reactions >>> happening in automotive catalytic converters and elsewhere in natural >>> systems. He may be right. Starts at page 39: >>> >>> http://www.slideshare.net/lewisglarsen/lattice-energy-llc-len-rs-in-catalytic-convertersjune-25-2010 >>> >>> AG >>> >>> >>> On 11/27/2011 8:02 PM, Peter Gluck wrote: - 16 August 1989. Francesco Piantelli at the Department of Physics of the Universityof Siena, accidentally discovers the phenomenon of Ni-H while working on a project of Biophysics;the effect of hydrogen on gangliosides on a support of Ni lamina >>> >> > >
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Did anyone try the "Water Tree" experiment? AG On 11/29/2011 3:25 PM, Rich Murray wrote: Thanks for your appreciation -- here's more on the topic: self-organizing networks can develop simple test kits for metal isotope anomalies in 'water tree' corrosion of thin polyethylene films, re T Kumazawa 2005 -- 2008 Japan: Rich Murray 2011.06.03 http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2011/06/self-organizing-networks-can-develop.html http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/86 On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Thanks for the interesting read: http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2011/06/reactive-gas-micro-and-nano-bubbles.html Amazing the amount of transmutation products found in "Water Trees". Will talk to a few friends in the local power utility to see what they know of from first hand experience. AG On 11/28/2011 12:55 AM, Rich Murray wrote: Yes, the Widom-Larsen network is sharing many reasonable, evidence driven lines of new research, including water tree corrosion in high density polyethylene insulation in high voltage AC power cables: reactive gas micro and nano bubbles complicate Widom-Larsen theory re electrolytic cells -- metal isotope anomalies in 'water tree' corrosion of power cable polyethylene insulation, T Kumazawa et al 2005 -- 2008 Japan: Rich Murray 2011.06.02 http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2011/06/reactive-gas-micro-and-nano-bubbles.html http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/85 within mutual service, Rich Murray On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 2:02 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: 5 months after the 23 March 1989 P and F announcement which may have helped Piantelli to understand he was seeing a "Cold Fusion", as it was called back then, effect. I suspect Rossi's burnt finger tip happened when it touched a piece of Nickel in his bio fuel converter system that should not be hot. I find it interesting that Larsen believes there may be LENR reactions happening in automotive catalytic converters and elsewhere in natural systems. He may be right. Starts at page 39: http://www.slideshare.net/lewisglarsen/lattice-energy-llc-len-rs-in-catalytic-convertersjune-25-2010 AG On 11/27/2011 8:02 PM, Peter Gluck wrote: - 16 August 1989. Francesco Piantelli at the Department of Physics of the Universityof Siena, accidentally discovers the phenomenon of Ni-H while working on a project of Biophysics;the effect of hydrogen on gangliosides on a support of Ni lamina
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This is the most recent water tree corrosion transmutation report I've located so far... the full report is in here: http://www.iscmns.org/iccf14/ProcICCF14b.pdf 12 MB Proceedings of the 14th International Conference on Condensed Matter Nuclear Science and the 14th International Conference on Cold Fusion (ICCF-14) 10-15 August 2008 Washington DC Volume 2 General Editors: David J. Nagel and Michael E. Melich Theory Editors: Rodney W. Johnson and Scott R. Chubb Copy Editor: Jed Rothwell ISBN: 978-0-578-06694-3 Rights to the papers herein are reserved by their respective authors Printing was done by the Marriott Library of the University of Utah Copies of these proceedings can be purchased on a DVD for $20 from: New Energy Foundation, Inc. P.O. Box 2816 Concord, NH 03302-2816 http://www.infinite-energy.com Phone: 603-485-4700 pages 597-16 Nuclear Transmutations in Polyethylene (XLPE) Films and Water Tree Generation in Them Hideo Kozima and Hiroshi Date* Cold Fusion Research Laboratory ( hjrfq...@ybb.ne.jp ) 597-16 Yatsu, Aoi, Shizuoka, 421-1202, Japan *Recruit R&D Staffing Co., Ltd. Abstract An explanation of the nuclear transmutation (NT) observed in XLPE (crosslinked polyethylene) films is presented based on the neutron-drop model used in the theoretical investigation of the cold fusion phenomenon in other cold fusion materials (CF materials); transition-metal hydrides/deuterides. The NT’s, K → Ca, Mg → Al, 56 26Fe → 57 26Fe and Fe → Ni, are explained by a single-neutron absorption with or without a succeeding beta-decay to get final nuclides. On the other hand, the NT’s, 56 26Fe → 64 30Zn and 56 26Fe → 60 28Ni, are explained by an absorption of a neutron drop 8 4Δ and 4 2Δ, respectively, in the cf-matter formed in CF materials. Production of extraordinary elements Li, Pb and Bi is discussed from our point of view. Thus, we concluded that the generation of water trees in XLPE samples is caused by nuclear reactions induced by cold fusion phenomenon at around spherulites. The NT found in XLPE may have a relation with the NT’s found in biological bodies (biotransmutation). Acknowledgement The authors would like to express their thanks to Hiroshi Yamada of Iwate University and Takao Kumazawa of Chubu Electric Power Co. for their valuable discussions on the work by Kumazawa et al. This work is supported by a grant from the New York Community Trust. On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:04 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > Did anyone try the "Water Tree" experiment? > > AG > > On 11/29/2011 3:25 PM, Rich Murray wrote: >> >> Thanks for your appreciation -- here's more on the topic: >> >> self-organizing networks can develop simple test kits for metal >> isotope anomalies in 'water tree' corrosion of thin polyethylene >> films, re T Kumazawa 2005 -- 2008 Japan: Rich Murray 2011.06.03 >> >> http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2011/06/self-organizing-networks-can-develop.html >> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/86 >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat >> wrote: >> >>> Thanks for the interesting read: >>> >>> http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2011/06/reactive-gas-micro-and-nano-bubbles.html >>> Amazing the amount of transmutation products found in "Water Trees". Will >>> talk to a few friends in the local power utility to see what they know of >>> from first hand experience. >>> >>> AG >>> >>> >>> On 11/28/2011 12:55 AM, Rich Murray wrote: Yes, the Widom-Larsen network is sharing many reasonable, evidence driven lines of new research, including water tree corrosion in high density polyethylene insulation in high voltage AC power cables: reactive gas micro and nano bubbles complicate Widom-Larsen theory re electrolytic cells -- metal isotope anomalies in 'water tree' corrosion of power cable polyethylene insulation, T Kumazawa et al 2005 -- 2008 Japan: Rich Murray 2011.06.02 http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2011/06/reactive-gas-micro-and-nano-bubbles.html http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/85 within mutual service, Rich Murray On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 2:02 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > 5 months after the 23 March 1989 P and F announcement which may have > helped > Piantelli to understand he was seeing a "Cold Fusion", as it was called > back > then, effect. I suspect Rossi's burnt finger tip happened when it > touched > a > piece of Nickel in his bio fuel converter system that should not be > hot. > I > find it interesting that Larsen believes there may be LENR reactions > happening in automotive catalytic converters and elsewhere in natural > systems. He may be right. Starts at page 39: > > > http://www.slideshare.net/lewisglarsen/lattice-energy-llc-len-rs-in-catalytic-convertersjune-25-2010 > > AG > > > On 11/27/2011 8:02 PM, Peter Gluck wrote: >> >> - 16 August 1989. Franc
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- Original Nachricht Von: Peter Gluck An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 25.11.2011 09:07 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:bit.ly/cold-fusion > Rossi tries to convince the world that his system is quite different > from Piantelli's but Piantelli was the first to discover the > nanotechnological nature of the phenomenon, has worked with Ni > powder much before Rossi. This is one of the reasons Rossi cannot obtain a > patent. Please compare Piantelli's patents (see the taxonomy) with Rossi's > and you will get an explanation. > Possi has made an Edisonian search and has found an additive > that enhances the process, but his system still remains a Piantelli > Plus process. > In the frame of his very peculiar prestige management, Rossi denies this > connection. He does this from personal reasons, Piantelli did not accepted > him as collaborator. > I think that it would be fair to tell about Piantelli in your paper. > And the story is not over, Rossi Secret is very vulnerable (see > Defkalion, Chan's Formula) and very soon a lot of Piantelli daughter > technologies will compete with that Regan or Goneril that is Rossi's > method. I think H-Ni fusion cannot been patented. The discovery and scientific proof could be awarded a nobel price, but as a principle of nature it cannot been patented. Marconi could not get a patent for wireless communication, Otto and Diesel could not get a generic patent for combustion engines. They got patents for their devices. Tesla said about Marconi: "he has used 18 of my patents, but I dont care". Only specific methods and devices can be patented. Rossis catalyst would be such a specific method. Natural laws cannot been patented. Usage of micro- and Nanoparticles cannot been patented. This is already standard in industry and research. It is researched as a method to use the phase changes in Metalhydrides as a very efficient heat storage method by Max Plank Institute and as a method for solid state Hydrogen storage it is already used in many real products day by day. Peter.
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What can be patented was patented by Piantelli, 2 patents out the 3rd coming next October. To notice that the phenomenon is not specific for Ni, many other transition metals are also usable. I have read many patents and in the moment I see a blunder like 5000 deg Celsius - this is a warning for bad quality. Compare please the Rossi patent proposal with WO?2010/058288 I will try to get information re the work with metalhydrides at the Plank Institute I liked very much the idea from the Chan's Formula to use metalhydrides as sources of hydrogen in a Ni-H system PeterG On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 10:50 AM, wrote: > > - Original Nachricht > Von: Peter Gluck > An: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Datum: 25.11.2011 09:07 > Betreff: Re: [Vo]:bit.ly/cold-fusion > > > Rossi tries to convince the world that his system is quite different > > from Piantelli's but Piantelli was the first to discover the > > nanotechnological nature of the phenomenon, has worked with Ni > > powder much before Rossi. This is one of the reasons Rossi cannot obtain > a > > patent. Please compare Piantelli's patents (see the taxonomy) with > Rossi's > > and you will get an explanation. > > Possi has made an Edisonian search and has found an additive > > that enhances the process, but his system still remains a Piantelli > > Plus process. > > In the frame of his very peculiar prestige management, Rossi denies this > > connection. He does this from personal reasons, Piantelli did not > accepted > > him as collaborator. > > I think that it would be fair to tell about Piantelli in your paper. > > And the story is not over, Rossi Secret is very vulnerable (see > > Defkalion, Chan's Formula) and very soon a lot of Piantelli daughter > > technologies will compete with that Regan or Goneril that is Rossi's > > method. > > I think H-Ni fusion cannot been patented. > The discovery and scientific proof could be awarded a nobel price, but as > a principle of nature it cannot been patented. > Marconi could not get a patent for wireless communication, Otto and Diesel > could not get a generic patent for combustion engines. > They got patents for their devices. Tesla said about Marconi: "he has used > 18 of my patents, but I dont care". > > Only specific methods and devices can be patented. Rossis catalyst would > be such a specific method. > Natural laws cannot been patented. > Usage of micro- and Nanoparticles cannot been patented. This is already > standard in industry and research. It is researched as a method to use the > phase changes in Metalhydrides as a very efficient heat storage method by > Max Plank Institute and as a method for solid state Hydrogen storage it is > already used in many real products day by day. > > Peter. > > -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
