Re: A response in the Harvard Crimson

2005-07-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Actually, I was delighted by Barandes' response, for several reasons:

Any publicity is good publicity. If every newspaper in the country would print 
scathing letters attacking CF, readers everywhere would begin to ask 
themselvesm What's up, and why are these people so upset?

It gives me an "in." After printing such a harsh letter, the Crimson may well 
print my response.

Intelligent readers will see through his arguments. As Huxley said of 
Wilburforce in similar circumstances, "The Lord hath delivered him into my 
hands." If you cannot debate a smart person, a fool is the second best choice.

It is true that Infinite Energy did print some far out stuff -- some too far 
out, in my opinion. The person who decided to print it was Gene Mallove, who 
had a PhD from Harvard and one from MIT, too. (This kind of thing matters to 
the sons of . . . Harvard.)

I am thick skinned, and people like Barandes do not bother me. On the contrary, 
I enjoy rattling their cages and getting the rise out of them. It makes my day 
to see people like him spout off in places like the Crimson.

- Jed





Re: A response in the Harvard Crimson

2005-07-30 Thread RC Macaulay



Steven Krivit wrote..
>Jed,>You didn't include the last paragraph from Barandes. It 
was juicy, and of >course nasty. I'm going to keep it for historical 
purposes. The extreme >point of view and the viciousness, I think, will 
be something fascinating >to look back on.
StevenI was shocked, shocked that the Crimson would print the 
comment. As Claude Rains said in the movie " Casablanca".. " am shocked, shocked 
that gambling is going on here"
Perhaps my higher expectation of Harvard to maintain an intellectual standard 
that challenges the mind of the student has been misplaced. Publishing such a 
comment degrades the licsense permitted Universities to engage in the pursuit of 
knowledge.Certainly, Harvard has the right to do so ..but.. at the expense of 
revelation of an inner conflict within the halls of academia. A conflict, unless 
addressed, degrades the purpose of the institution.
Certain institutions hold truths to be self evident, certain  are in the 
business of masquerading the truth ans some cast it to the ground. 
 Harvard needs to get back to laboring in the vineyards of learning and 
leave the grapes of wrath be trampled by oppressors. A university cannot be 
both , else they become a paradox evidenced by ancient Athens,making the mistake 
of confusing wisdom with knowledge.
I once noticed a plaque over the bench of a criminal court's judge that 
stated " all that seek justice labor here".
Steven Krivit is a candidate for coming up with a CF slogan that has 
legs.
Richard


Re: A response in the Harvard Crimson

2005-07-30 Thread Nick Palmer

Just for the rest of us, here's the final bit of the "The Crimson" letter...

<< Rothwell is a contributing editor at Infinite Energy magazine, a fringe 
publication devoted to the study of "New Energy," which the magazine's 
website defines to be "the term applied to new sources of energy that are 
currently not recognized as feasible by the 'scientific establishment.'" In 
addition to cold fusion, the editors include "New Energy" to mean other 
pseudoscientific buzzwords like "zero-point energy" and "significant 
extensions to the Second Law of Thermodynamics."
Charlatans peddling "perpetual motion machines" and other limitless sources 
of free energy have been around for centuries. The public really doesn't 
need The Crimson spreading such falsehoods and granting these hucksters 
much-craved legitimacy.



JACOB A. BARANDES


Cambridge, Mass.

July 22, 2005

The writer is a graduate student in physics at Harvard. >>




Re: A response in the Harvard Crimson

2005-07-29 Thread Steven Krivit

Jed,

One more thing I forgot to mention. I had a very pleasant chat with Chase 
Peterson yesterday. We were just talking about some of the old days of cold 
fusion for him.


Peterson sees the picture quite clearly: The "cold fusion episode" is much 
bigger than cold fusion. It is about major issues in the philosophy of 
science and how the world of science currently responds to new ideas.


I think sometimes when we see unscientific responses like that published in 
the Crimson, that we often forget how big this subject really is, and 
perhaps the reasonable,   monumental effort which is and will be required 
to bring about a transformation in understanding.


One brick at a time...

s



Re: A response in the Harvard Crimson

2005-07-29 Thread Steven Krivit

Jed,

You didn't include the last paragraph from Barandes. It was juicy, and of 
course nasty. I'm going to keep it for historical purposes. The extreme 
point of view and the viciousness, I think, will be something fascinating 
to look back on.


I'm finding, more and more, that it's helpful to talk with those who will 
listen and show some interest, and leave the rest alone.


The Crimson made an editorial decision. I have to assume they are 
intelligent people and understand what a disgusting ad hominem and 
unsubstantiated attack this was. I also have to assume that the Crimson was 
"testing the waters" with your pro-cold fusion letter - and they 
subsequently decided that there was a strong contrarian viewpoint that they 
had better represent, lest they appear too "progressive."


Honestly, I think they may not even have published your letter a few years ago.

We all know that CF has followed the scientific method. Many of us accept 
that it is a demonstrable and a true effect of nature. My thought is that 
It's just a matter of time before the rest of the world knows it too. How 
much time? I don't know.


Remember what Stan Pons said in 1989:

"It appears that the people who would benefit most by this work being 
discredited have taken the initiative to cause us great difficulty. .. They 
might cause us difficulty, but they will not stop the science.''


I do see a progression occurring. It's slow, and it may only be evident 
over the next few years, but it is clearly visible.


ITER's pathetic situation and deservedly bad press, in my view, has given a 
tremendous boost to the view of CF in some circles, or at least those 
outside of Harvard yard.


At the March APS meeting, Scott Chubb and I spoke with the editor of a very 
prestigious physics journal who is a prof at another Ivy League school. The 
idea of a CF lecture on campus came up. I have not heard of any 
follow-through with it yet, but it seems possible in the future.


And then, in less than one month from now, I will present to the orthodox 
scientists at the International Conference on Emerging Nuclear Systems, 
"How can cold fusion be real, considering it was disproved by several 
well-respected laboratories in 
1989?" 
http://newenergytimes.com/Conf/ICENES-2005/KrivitS-ICENES2005-Abstract.pdf .


I'm not expecting an overly-friendly reception by this fission and hot 
fusion nuke physics crowd, but I'm still going to tell it the way I see it. 
We'll see who is receptive. For reasons unknown to me, somebody, or some 
people on the organizing committee on ICENES made the (enlightened, IMO) 
decision that it was time they, and their attendees learn more about 
cf.  Let's see where this goes


s



A response in the Harvard Crimson

2005-07-29 Thread Jed Rothwell


Well, well. Someone responded in the usual manner. See:

http://www.thecrimson.com/today/article508328.html

To The Editors:
In his recent letter to The Crimson
(“Madrian
Mistaken About Cold Fusion Debate,” July 22), Jed Rothwell writes
regarding cold fusion research that “the claim was never ‘invalidated.’”
Rothwell then goes on to state that cold fusion has been “replicated by
hundreds of major laboratories worldwide,” when in fact the research has
had no such success.
Rothwell is a contributing editor at Infinite Energy magazine, a fringe
publication devoted to the study of “New Energy,” which the magazine’s
website defines to be “the term applied to new sources of energy that are
currently not recognized as feasible by the ‘scientific establishment.’”
In addition to cold fusion, the editors include “New Energy” to mean
other pseudoscientific buzzwords like “zero-point energy” and
“significant extensions to the Second Law of Thermodynamics.” . .
.

Now we shall see whether the Crimson allows this kind of ad hominem
attack to go unanswered.
- Jed