Aw: Re: [Vo]:prediction for the Oct 6 Fat Cat demo

[peter . heckert]

 


- Original Nachricht 
Von: Jed Rothwell 
An:  vortex-l@eskimo.com
Datum:   05.10.2011 20:20
Betreff: Re: [Vo]:prediction for the Oct 6 Fat Cat demo


> The correct number was a 40°C temperature difference which indicates a
> nominal 130 kW. See:
> 
> http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3108242.ece
> 
> That is perfectly possible for a device of this size with this flow of
> water. Many automobile engines and other devices of this size produce that
> much energy without exploding. I doubt the power was actually that high. I
> expect some of the heat was being "wicked."
> 

In a combustion motor the high temperature is generated inside the combustion 
gases and the distributed into a rather large metal surface. A lot of heat is 
blowed out as combustion product.
In the ecat, however the source of temperature is inside the metal -inside the 
nicke core and lead shielding- and then it is distributed into the water. As 
soon as the water boils, the thermal resistance will increase dramatically and 
this should generate a very high temperature gradient @ 100kW that leads to 
metal melting and steam explosion. This could also lead to hydrogen explosions 
like in Fukushima, because glowing hot metal + steam gives free hydrogen and 
metaloxide.

W.: Aw: Re: [Vo]:prediction for the Oct 6 Fat Cat demo

[peter . heckert]

 


- Original Nachricht 
Von: peter.heck...@arcor.de
An:  jounivalko...@gmail.com
Datum:   06.10.2011 08:48
Betreff: Aw: Re: [Vo]:prediction for the Oct 6 Fat Cat demo

Yes without doubt this would be discovered sooner or later.
It was my thought, that nobody had the idea to test the wooden table and the 
legs until now.
I dont believe there is something, but for correctness and completeness this 
must be tested.
It is also in the interest of Rossi to test this hypothesis - and hopefully- to 
rule it out.

Please consider, hard critizism does not destroy Rossi if his claims are true, 
it will harden his claims and help him ;-)

> In previous experiments, however hidden energysources such as fuel
> tanks were not excluded. But this will be different, because it will
> be long enough in duration. It is always possible to hide some 1-3 kg
> liquid fuel, but If it is needed more than that, it is very difficult
> to hide.
> 
> ?Jouni
> 
> 2011/10/5 Peter Heckert :
> > Am 05.10.2011 20:51, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
> >
> > Peter Heckert  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> What if they have coils inserted in the table wood board?
> >
> > That is ridiculous. It would take a huge set of coils on both sides -- in
> > the table and in the eCat -- to induce 15 kW.
> >
> > No.
> > <http://youtu.be/k4xsqw463Hs>
> >
> > To do this with induction demands very large, very visible coils.
> >
> > They could hide the coil inside the table board and feed the power
> through
> > the legs or through a distant coil using resonance transformation
> effects.
> >
> >
> 

W.: Aw: Re: [Vo]:prediction for the Oct 6 Fat Cat demo

[peter . heckert]

 
 


- Original Nachricht 
Von: Jouni Valkonen 
An:  Peter Heckert 
Datum:   06.10.2011 04:15
Betreff: Re: [Vo]:prediction for the Oct 6 Fat Cat demo

> It is not about evidence of cold fusion. There are plenty of evidence
> for anomalous excess heat. Problem is that there is 10^10 times too
> less nuclear radiation and nuclear products present what should be
> associated into such a level excess heat.

I dont see this as a problem. It would be very fine if there is /repeatable/ 
evidence for anomalous heat.
If there is enough excess heat that cannot be explained conventionally then 
this is a definitive proof of nuclear reactions.

So the procedure is this:
1) Make a key-experiment that produces reliably and repeatedly anomalous excess 
heat and that can be replicated on any lab-bench.
2) If this is working reliably research it for radiation, particles and element 
transmutations.

Einstein said, we must measure that what can be measured (relative speeds and 
movements).
If excess energy can be measured and radiation not, then the research must 
start with excess energy.
Other research is necessary but can only follow, it is not a starting point if 
nothing is measured for unknown reasons.



> See e.g.
> The Status of Cold Fusion (Storms 2010)
> http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEstatusofcoa.pdf
> 
> or more briefly:
> 
> http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Cold_fusion#Experimental_Evidence
> 
>?Jouni
> 
> 
> 2011/10/5 Peter Heckert :
> > Am 05.10.2011 20:00, schrieb Jouni Valkonen:
> >>
> >> Very good arguments you presented. Thanks for those. I hope that you are
> >> wrong!
> >>
> > I hope too, that I'm wrong.
> > My hopes however are very low. It is wishful thinking, nothing more.
> >
> > I want a repeatable key experiment to prove LENR effects. If Rossi cannot
> > deliver this, who will do this?
> >
> > This seems to be repeatable:
> >
>  .pdf>
> >
> > Unfortunately it was never finished, because there are still open
> questions.
> > Why?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 

Re: W.: Aw: Re: [Vo]:prediction for the Oct 6 Fat Cat demo

[mixent]

In reply to  peter.heck...@arcor.de's message of Thu, 6 Oct 2011 10:04:06 +0200
(CEST):
Hi,
[snip]
>I dont see this as a problem. It would be very fine if there is /repeatable/ 
>evidence for anomalous heat.
>If there is enough excess heat that cannot be explained conventionally then 
>this is a definitive proof of nuclear reactions.
No, it could be evidence of super-chemistry, i.e. shrunken Hydrogen that is not
necessarily followed by a nuclear reaction.
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: W.: Aw: Re: [Vo]:prediction for the Oct 6 Fat Cat demo

[Jed Rothwell]

Someone wrote:

> In previous experiments, however hidden energysources such as fuel
> > tanks were not excluded.


That is incorrect. A video of a previous test shows the observers lifting up
the device, looking under it, and placing it on a weight scale. They also
looked inside it. Hidden energy sources such a fuel tank in the table or in
the device would discovered by these methods.

In this test they reportedly disassembled the reactor more completely than
in previous tests.

- Jed