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Or maybe he was referring to Mills..Rayney Ni is NiAl with Al partially leached out? From: Bob Cook [mailto:frobertc...@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 11:55 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current It sounds like Jones thinks that a combination of CNT's (the hairs) and Ni distributed on their surface some how is what Rossi has used. Jones. Is this what you meant by: " "It would probably be more productive to come at this from the standpoint of adding something to CNT instead of subtracting something from nickel?" Bob - Original Message - From: Axil Axil<mailto:janap...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current Designing those nano-hairs on the micro-particles are at the heart of the success of the NiH reactor. Rossi said he spent 6 months of day and night experimental effort to optimize his nano-hairs. Give DGT credit for coming up with a workable nano-hair design. On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Jones Beene mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>> wrote: From: Bob Cook Is there any available knowledge of the structure of the Ni nano particles Rossi is rumored to use? There are past posts in the archive which have speculated on his tubules or tubercles, but it may be counterproductive to try to deconstruct Rossi. He hints at buying his special nickel from a Hobbit in Italy, and magic many be involved. :) It would probably be more productive to come at this from the standpoint of adding something to CNT instead of subtracting something from nickel. Nickel chloride is interesting in this regard, since it is soluble and since chlorine has special energetic properties of its own - when irradiated with light. In connecting all the dots in a hypothetical nanotube reactor, "ring current" in hexagonal carbon structures, together with SPP may work together with CNT in water to provide LENR effects. These CNT would function as nano electron accelerators when magnetized. We are avoiding mention of the ultimate source of excess energy for now to focus on the electrons. Heavy water is probably not required. There is no proof of any of this - but in the event that anyone should see photons in the keV range as a characteristic of any CNT device, especially one operating in water - then this provides a plausible explanation of how that finding is related back to the basic hexagonal bond-length of CNT, about 0.142 nm and how bremsstrahlung at low energy (around 1 keV) could provide the feedback mechanism for the SPP. It all fits, proof or no. One further detail to add, especially in the context of the Cooper patent application: Cherenkov radiation vs. bremsstrahlung - in the above suggestion for the required feedback mechanism. SPP requires an intense light source and the initial electrons could, ironically, be too energetic. Cherenkov radiation is emitted when a charged particle such as an electron passes through a dielectric medium (water) at a speed greater than the phase velocity of light in that medium. It should be noted that Cherenkov radiation is differentiated from bremsstrahlung radiation because the intensity does not depend on the mass of the particle, whereas bremsstrahlung does. However, the threshold for electrons is around 250 keV which would seem to eliminate this kind of radiation in CNT cells (since it would show up independently). Is there a correlate? Probably. The characteristic blue glow of nuclear fuel storage is due to Cherenkov radiation, but there are other types of fluorescence in which electrons create a similar light source differently. Therefore, and since SPP depends on a light source and 1 keV electrons are possibly resonant, there could be something happening with water fluorescence similar to Cherenkov but NOT identical. It is probably related to FRET (Forster resonant energy transfer) instead of phase velocity. A blue glow comes from the Lyman line of hydrogen in any case. The bottom line is that if SPP are involved in CNT, and in the simple device described in the Cooper patent - then the experimenter should be able to see a characteristic visible fluorescence for a period of time after the input power is turned off and it could be more energetic photons than the input. For instance, if sodium vapor lighting is used as input, the afterglow could be in the blue spectrum and it were the Lyman line, this would actually be more convincing than helium and far easier to document. Apparently the helium measurement of the Cooper disclosure does not stand up to close scrutiny. It is not the only way to go. This kind of CNT reactor can be done with light water and an electrolyte in a partial replication which is only going for fluorescence, a hydrogen line and afterglow (and possibly crude water bath calorimetry). Jones
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I wonder what effect CNTs would have mixed into the precursor alloys of skeletal cats. Would the alloy and the leaching agents be drawn into the tube? Fran From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 12:57 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current Bob, all If Rossi can be believed, he did not use CNT (at least not originally) but instead - his tubules are made of nickel via a proprietary process which adds porosity and surface features. Nickel is ductile and CNT are stiff and 500% stronger than nickel. But CNT is not a spillover catalyst, like nickel. In short the original recipe can probably be improved, and may have been improved already. Given all of the info out there from various sources, it would seem that a superior Ni-H reactor media would be composed of carbon nanotubes on which nickel has been deposited... or preferably a nickel alloy. The Romanowski alloys are far superior to nickel, palladium or anything else as spillover catalysts. The citation is in the archives. From: Bob Cook It sounds like Jones thinks that a combination of CNT's (the hairs) and Ni distributed on their surface some how is what Rossi has used. Jones. Is this what you meant by: " "It would probably be more productive to come at this from the standpoint of adding something to CNT instead of subtracting something from nickel?"
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The tubes should be solid because LENR is exclusively a surface reaction. To strengthen the tubes and provide a longer service life, the tubes may be filled with tough stuff like tungsten, for example, On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Roarty, Francis X wrote: > I wonder what effect CNTs would have mixed into the precursor alloys of > skeletal cats. Would the alloy and the leaching agents be drawn into the > tube? > > Fran > > *From:* Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] > *Sent:* Monday, March 03, 2014 12:57 PM > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Subject:* EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current > > > > Bob, all > > > > If Rossi can be believed, he did not use CNT (at least not originally) but > instead - his tubules are made of nickel via a proprietary process which > adds porosity and surface features. > > > > Nickel is ductile and CNT are stiff and 500% stronger than nickel. But CNT > is not a spillover catalyst, like nickel. In short the original recipe can > probably be improved, and may have been improved already. > > > > Given all of the info out there from various sources, it would seem that a > superior Ni-H reactor media would be composed of carbon nanotubes on which > nickel has been deposited... or preferably a nickel alloy. The Romanowski > alloys are far superior to nickel, palladium or anything else as spillover > catalysts. The citation is in the archives. > > > > *From:* Bob Cook > > > > It sounds like Jones thinks that a combination of CNT's (the hairs) and Ni > distributed on their surface some how is what Rossi has used. > > > > Jones. Is this what you meant by: " > > "It would probably be more productive to come at this from the standpoint > of adding something to CNT instead of subtracting something from nickel?" > > > > > > > >
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- Original Message - From: Roarty, Francis X To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 10:13 AM Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current I wonder what effect CNTs would have mixed into the precursor alloys of skeletal cats. Would the alloy and the leaching agents be drawn into the tube? Fran From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 12:57 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current Bob, all If Rossi can be believed, he did not use CNT (at least not originally) but instead - his tubules are made of nickel via a proprietary process which adds porosity and surface features. Nickel is ductile and CNT are stiff and 500% stronger than nickel. But CNT is not a spillover catalyst, like nickel. In short the original recipe can probably be improved, and may have been improved already. Given all of the info out there from various sources, it would seem that a superior Ni-H reactor media would be composed of carbon nanotubes on which nickel has been deposited. or preferably a nickel alloy. The Romanowski alloys are far superior to nickel, palladium or anything else as spillover catalysts. The citation is in the archives. From: Bob Cook It sounds like Jones thinks that a combination of CNT's (the hairs) and Ni distributed on their surface some how is what Rossi has used. Jones. Is this what you meant by: " "It would probably be more productive to come at this from the standpoint of adding something to CNT instead of subtracting something from nickel?"
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Fran and others: You may be able to get some molecules inside the CNT in a cryogenic state using liquid He or N as a carrier/dispersant. The NO molecule may be too big to fit inside the tubes. The cryogenic conditions avoid reactions until the He or NO is allowed to warm up and leave the system. On the other hand a high temperature Ni vapor may be able to enter the tubes. Does anyone know if CNT comes in a bigger variety than the 5 C's in a ring arrangement? Bob - Original Message - From: Roarty, Francis X To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 10:13 AM Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current I wonder what effect CNTs would have mixed into the precursor alloys of skeletal cats. Would the alloy and the leaching agents be drawn into the tube? Fran From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 12:57 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current Bob, all If Rossi can be believed, he did not use CNT (at least not originally) but instead - his tubules are made of nickel via a proprietary process which adds porosity and surface features. Nickel is ductile and CNT are stiff and 500% stronger than nickel. But CNT is not a spillover catalyst, like nickel. In short the original recipe can probably be improved, and may have been improved already. Given all of the info out there from various sources, it would seem that a superior Ni-H reactor media would be composed of carbon nanotubes on which nickel has been deposited. or preferably a nickel alloy. The Romanowski alloys are far superior to nickel, palladium or anything else as spillover catalysts. The citation is in the archives. From: Bob Cook It sounds like Jones thinks that a combination of CNT's (the hairs) and Ni distributed on their surface some how is what Rossi has used. Jones. Is this what you meant by: " "It would probably be more productive to come at this from the standpoint of adding something to CNT instead of subtracting something from nickel?"
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Yep.. along the same line of accelerated transport of nano fibers _ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 11:03 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current Another piece of the puzzle ? http://www.i-sis.org.uk/SuperconductingQuantumCoherentWaterinNanospace.php An argument can be made of a temperature differential inside vs outside CNT http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1202/1202.1328.pdf I am still looking for a paper more on point. And more extreme.
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http://www.academia.edu/4206209/Brillouin_Energy_Corp._THE_QUANTUM_REACTION_HYPOTHESIS Figure 1, Page 5 I don't buy it that LENR is exclusively a surface reaction. The enclosed SEM image implies the microexplosion happened well under the surface, more like a volcano than a surface explosion. > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > >> The tubes should be solid because LENR is exclusively a surface reaction. >> To strengthen the tubes and provide a longer service life, the tubes may be >> filled with tough stuff like tungsten, for example, >> >
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The crater was created by a cavitation bubble which projects a plasma jet that penetrates the surface od the metal to excavate a pit into the metal as seen in the picture you reference.. Yes, the mechanism of cavitation is different from SPP in Ni/H because the SPP is produced on the walls of the collapsing cavitation bubble exterior to the metal and projected onto the nearest surface of metal that is adjacent to the bubble. On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 1:58 AM, Kevin O'Malley wrote: > > http://www.academia.edu/4206209/Brillouin_Energy_Corp._THE_QUANTUM_REACTION_HYPOTHESIS > > Figure 1, Page 5 > > > I don't buy it that LENR is exclusively a surface reaction. The enclosed > SEM image implies the microexplosion happened well under the surface, more > like a volcano than a surface explosion. > > >> >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Axil Axil wrote: >> >>> The tubes should be solid because LENR is exclusively a surface >>> reaction. To strengthen the tubes and provide a longer service life, the >>> tubes may be filled with tough stuff like tungsten, for example, >>> >> >
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Axil, that's nonsense. A child can see that's a volcano. The reaction came from inside the substrate. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:18 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > The crater was created by a cavitation bubble which projects a plasma jet > that penetrates the surface od the metal to excavate a pit into the metal > as seen in the picture you reference.. > > Yes, the mechanism of cavitation is different from SPP in Ni/H because the > SPP is produced on the walls of the collapsing cavitation bubble exterior > to the metal and projected onto the nearest surface of metal that is > adjacent to the bubble. > > > On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 1:58 AM, Kevin O'Malley wrote: > >> >> http://www.academia.edu/4206209/Brillouin_Energy_Corp._THE_QUANTUM_REACTION_HYPOTHESIS >> >> Figure 1, Page 5 >> >> >> I don't buy it that LENR is exclusively a surface reaction. The >> enclosed SEM image implies the microexplosion happened well under the >> surface, more like a volcano than a surface explosion. >> >> >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Axil Axil wrote: >>> The tubes should be solid because LENR is exclusively a surface reaction. To strengthen the tubes and provide a longer service life, the tubes may be filled with tough stuff like tungsten, for example, >>> >> >
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Kevin-- I agree that it is not clear its all surface reactions, particularly in the Pd-D system. Bob - Original Message - From: Kevin O'Malley To: vortex-l Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 10:58 PM Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current http://www.academia.edu/4206209/Brillouin_Energy_Corp._THE_QUANTUM_REACTION_HYPOTHESIS Figure 1, Page 5 I don't buy it that LENR is exclusively a surface reaction. The enclosed SEM image implies the microexplosion happened well under the surface, more like a volcano than a surface explosion. On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Axil Axil wrote: The tubes should be solid because LENR is exclusively a surface reaction. To strengthen the tubes and provide a longer service life, the tubes may be filled with tough stuff like tungsten, for example,
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Or possibly the meniscus of bubble systems where gas bubbles becomes a plasma and boundary regions are compressed by a steady sonar tone that can be modulated on and off rapidly. A boundary doesn't have to be a perfect conductor and the dynamic range of a resistive liquid meniscus boundary may well trump the slower transitions of a conductive metal relative to moving gas atoms -both relate to DCE but this begs another question, which is more important to the robust effect, the nano geometry or the CHANGE in nano geometry? From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 9:54 PM To: vortex-l Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current Most LENR researchers use static NAE in their systems. Examples of static NAE are those cracks produced hydrogen loading. When NAE hot spots are produced through a dynamic mechanism as they are required to keep the reaction going. NAE destruction does not kill the reaction over time. In a dynamic NAE system, NAE creation exactly matches NAE destruction. In more advanced systems capable of producing NAEs as an ongoing process, computer automation control can signal when NAEs are reduced in numbers below reaction specification and a activation of a plasma based dust production process rebuilds the NAE population. Think of NAE's as lumps of coal fed into a coal fire by a temperature controlled stoker. Lowering temperatures cause a thermostatic process to fed more coal lumps into the coal fire. Such a dynamic NAE system can run for years without degradation in performance. On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Kevin O'Malley mailto:kevmol...@gmail.com>> wrote: It strikes me that as so many LENR researchers tried to scale up their results, they have failed. That would seem to suggest that higher temperatures kill the LENR effect, which favors BEC formation theories. \\\ On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Kevin O'Malley mailto:kevmol...@gmail.com>> wrote: Jones: Using your later input, how about the 1DLEC, pronounced OneDellECK. 1 Dimensional Luttinger Electron Condensate On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Jones Beene mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>> wrote: From: Kevin O'Malley What I call the Vibrating 1Dimensional Luttinger Liquid Bose-Einstein Condensate , the V1DLLBEC. We gotta think up a better name, especially if it will include solids.
