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Just when this magic penny technology surfaces the Canadian government discontinues minting the penny. Coincidence or conspiracy? ;-) Harry On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 7:44 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Brad Lowe ecatbuil...@gmail.com wrote: The sad part is we have the same proof for the magic penny as we do for the e-cat and Hyperion. It is not quite as bad as that. - Jed
RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Swedish TV (SVT) show on Rossi Ecat
I'm trying to ignore the hostility associated with this thread because the subject material still has my curiosity piqued.. does anyone have some related links where I can learn more about lucky saint and his theories... any historical background? Fran From: James Bowery [mailto:jabow...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 10:26 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Swedish TV (SVT) show on Rossi Ecat lenr4power, Lucky Saint's privacy does involve a LENR technology, that he has already disclosed. A video needn't disclose anything more about Lucky Saint than what he has already disclosed save evidence that technology works. So this is not a matter of privacy, lame brain. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 4:09 PM, lenr4po...@gmail.commailto:lenr4po...@gmail.com lenr4po...@gmail.commailto:lenr4po...@gmail.com wrote: I am sure he will after you, Jed, Jojo, Lomax, Johnson at least 6 more lame brains who childishly produce written diarrhea about how to avoid paying taxes, comic science fiction, insults, etc. place the following on an open web site: copies of birth certificate, drivers license, SS card, all school transcripts, resume listing all employment stating salaries(10 years), all real estate tax bills (10 years) and a complete financial statement listing all current assets and bank accounts. How dare you treat rights of privacy so lightly? Find yourself a bureaucratic job in DC minding other peoples business. Fart James Bowery http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=from:%22James+Bowery%22 Wed, 19 Dec 2012 16:07:16 -0800 http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.comq=date:20121219 Perhaps what is so difficult for the Vortex lame brains is not deciphering the Mole comment, but figuring out why Lucky Saint has not provided a video of this LENR disk boiling water.
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At 01:47 PM 12/20/2012, Roarty, Francis X wrote: Im trying to ignore the hostility associated with this thread because the subject material still has my curiosity piqued.. does anyone have some related links where I can learn more about lucky saint and his theories any historical background? Look, Fran, you are perfectly welcome to waste your time purusing will-o-the-wisps. You are actually performing a community service if you do. And I've certainly wasted a lot of my own time, in a sense, checking out, say Orbo, or the Obama fake birth certificate claims, or any of many such things. Tell us what you find, this particular one is definitely on topic here (as with Orbo, MAHG, etc.) I hope, however, you don't regale us with endless theories about what you think might actualy be happening, when it's highly unlikely that anything is happening out of the ordinary at all. The default something unknown is generating heat is actually quite adequate as a working hypothesis. If you find *specific evidence* for some serious theory, then call me, maybe. So to speak.
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Abd, My interest was piqued because I suspect It might be my own theories being fed back to the vort.. the bit about milling the powder in inert gas and then submerging the finished reactor immediately in a heat sink directly from the glove box sounded awful familiar :_) hopefully some troll isn't trying to feed me my own tail but that is one suspicion that occurred to me.. anyway, nothing came up on google and think whoever labeled this an urban legend was probably closest to the mark.. sorry my long winded theories appear to annoy you .. as a Christmas present I'll skip my annual nod to limestone blocks and ambient gases trapped inside :_) Fran -Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.com] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 3:10 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Swedish TV (SVT) show on Rossi Ecat At 01:47 PM 12/20/2012, Roarty, Francis X wrote: I'm trying to ignore the hostility associated with this thread because the subject material still has my curiosity piqued.. does anyone have some related links where I can learn more about lucky saint and his theories... any historical background? Look, Fran, you are perfectly welcome to waste your time purusing will-o-the-wisps. You are actually performing a community service if you do. And I've certainly wasted a lot of my own time, in a sense, checking out, say Orbo, or the Obama fake birth certificate claims, or any of many such things. Tell us what you find, this particular one is definitely on topic here (as with Orbo, MAHG, etc.) I hope, however, you don't regale us with endless theories about what you think might actualy be happening, when it's highly unlikely that anything is happening out of the ordinary at all. The default something unknown is generating heat is actually quite adequate as a working hypothesis. If you find *specific evidence* for some serious theory, then call me, maybe. So to speak.
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At 04:29 PM 12/20/2012, Roarty, Francis X wrote: Abd, My interest was piqued because I suspect It might be my own theories being fed back to the vort.. the bit about milling the powder in inert gas and then submerging the finished reactor immediately in a heat sink directly from the glove box sounded awful familiar :_) hopefully some troll isn't trying to feed me my own tail but that is one suspicion that occurred to me.. anyway, nothing came up on google and think whoever labeled this an urban legend was probably closest to the mark.. sorry my long winded theories appear to annoy you .. as a Christmas present I'll skip my annual nod to limestone blocks and ambient gases trapped inside :_) Don't take my comment too far out of its intended application, which was specific. I really don't have a strong judgment of your general theories, particularly when you are attempting to explain observed phenomena with some level of serious credibility behind them. This incident could indeed be an attempt to feed your theories back to you, through a pretend confirmation. It's a possible explanation. It would be an extraordinary coincidence that such a major confirmation -- doing something that you haven't done -- would be accomplished by some wing nut. Yes, one has to have some, shall we say, ego strength, to buck the alleged scientific consensus, so we expect people on the fringe to be a bit unraveled, so to speak. However, that only goes so far. Serious researchers on the fringe are only particularly fringe as to what they investigate, not as to the techniques used. Mmmm maybe we are missing out on something here! Has anyone used a ouija board with a cold fusion replication? Why not? How are you feeling today? F I N E Going to show us some XP? NO T R Y A G A I N T O M O R R O W How about some helium? S E E A B O V E Y O U I D I O T GOODBYE The possibilities are endless.
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Hi Francis, Lucky Saint is, in my opinion, the same person who posts on vortex and elsewhere under a dozen or more pseudonyms, including Chen, phen, chan, Puppy, Lucky, ny@aol.com, d...@inbox.lv, Mint, quickly.. and now mole4l...@gmail.com. add them to your kill file.. or read it for entertainment. A magic penny boiling water for 5 years? And still can't afford a spell checker. Uh, yeah.. No video needed. The sad part is we have the same proof for the magic penny as we do for the e-cat and Hyperion. - Brad On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: Abd, My interest was piqued because I suspect It might be my own theories being fed back to the vort.. the bit about milling the powder in inert gas and then submerging the finished reactor immediately in a heat sink directly from the glove box sounded awful familiar :_) hopefully some troll isn't trying to feed me my own tail but that is one suspicion that occurred to me.. anyway, nothing came up on google and think whoever labeled this an urban legend was probably closest to the mark.. sorry my long winded theories appear to annoy you .. as a Christmas present I'll skip my annual nod to limestone blocks and ambient gases trapped inside :_) Fran -Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.com] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 3:10 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Swedish TV (SVT) show on Rossi Ecat At 01:47 PM 12/20/2012, Roarty, Francis X wrote: I'm trying to ignore the hostility associated with this thread because the subject material still has my curiosity piqued.. does anyone have some related links where I can learn more about lucky saint and his theories... any historical background? Look, Fran, you are perfectly welcome to waste your time purusing will-o-the-wisps. You are actually performing a community service if you do. And I've certainly wasted a lot of my own time, in a sense, checking out, say Orbo, or the Obama fake birth certificate claims, or any of many such things. Tell us what you find, this particular one is definitely on topic here (as with Orbo, MAHG, etc.) I hope, however, you don't regale us with endless theories about what you think might actualy be happening, when it's highly unlikely that anything is happening out of the ordinary at all. The default something unknown is generating heat is actually quite adequate as a working hypothesis. If you find *specific evidence* for some serious theory, then call me, maybe. So to speak.
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Brad Lowe ecatbuil...@gmail.com wrote: The sad part is we have the same proof for the magic penny as we do for the e-cat and Hyperion. It is not quite as bad as that. - Jed
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At 05:56 PM 12/20/2012, Brad Lowe wrote: The sad part is we have the same proof for the magic penny as we do for the e-cat and Hyperion. Well, close, but not quite. We don't have any clear independent confirmation for those latter devices, but the claims, first of all, are not quite so extreme. There is circumstantial evidence that *something* is happening and the likely delays are due to unreliability, not total deceptions. Yeah, there is a similarity, but heat from NiH has long been reported. It's also never been truly clearly and openly confirmed. It's somewhat like the status of cold fusion, before heat/helium was found, though my impression is that there was more circumstantial evidence for cold fusion back then, and there were wider reports. But with NiH, we have no evidence adequate to establish the ash. It might turn out to be difficult. It is the known and heat-correlated ash from PdD cold fusion that makes the reality of it a scientific certainty. It's still difficult to reliably demonstrate. My opinion is that if Rossi or Defkalion really have *anything*, they should sell demonstration devices. Essentially toys. And they should patent them as such, with energy generation as an additional claim. This is along the lines of the popper kit that was promised and that apparently has never worked. If it had worked, if it had shown real energy release, that would be the kind of demonstration that would break the Papp field open. The same would be true for NiH devices. Make them cheap and sell them! Small is beautiful. But Rossi wants to go for megawatt plants. He can't make a megawatt plant if he can't make a kilowatt, or, for that matter, 100 watts. 10 watts. In any case, I'm not ready to toss Rossi in the same can as this magic penny guy. But, Brad, you have a point. Look, Brillouin is at SRI, setting up to run tests with expert support. We may see something soon. PdD is definitely real, but highly unreliable, still. And expensive even if it works. NiH is nowhere near as solidly established, but is very attractive because of far cheaper materials, and because of some interesting research history, from lots of people. So there is lots of reason to encourage efforts to replicate prior work with NiH, or to explore it more thoroughly. There is no reason to do that with the magic penny.
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On Tue Dec 18 James said [snip] Is there any reason to believe Lucky Saint isn't just pulling our leg?[/snip] James, He may still be pulling our leg but he is smart enough to embrace a specific theory that would support his recipe... Lucky Saint is supporting the same theory that I favor of a zero point basis for these anomalies. The milling is done with inert gas to prevent melt down and allow even tighter geometry formation of the powders. The premise is these geometries self destruct even with only ambient gases much less hydrogen and you will note how he transfers the sealed powder from glove box to being submerged in water - a heat sink that prevents some of the geometry from self destructing. Sort of borrowing from Lyne - Moller theory for geometry/powder and the immediate heat sinking is an insightful addition to systems already employed by Rossi and Mills I would call it a long shot but still possible! Fran From: James Bowery [mailto:jabow...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 12:35 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Swedish TV (SVT) show on Rossi Ecat On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 9:33 AM, mole4l...@gmail.commailto:mole4l...@gmail.com mole4l...@gmail.commailto:mole4l...@gmail.com wrote: *Lucky Saint * 37 weeks ago No. Take 2 copper disks size of a penny. Put a dent in one. Mix ultrafine magnesium hydride soft iron powder and nickel powder in equalportions. Make sure ALL ball milling, preparation and procedures arestrictly inert atmosphere and dry box manipulations. Compress a portionof the mix to a small pill which fits easily into the disk indentation.Seal the chamber, welding with jeweler's tools. Place reactor in asmall beaker with water. Place on top of induction coil heating unit.Cause the water to boil from heat induced by alternating magneticfield. Once boiling, turn off the induction heater. Keep adding wateras the boiling will continue by itself for ? years. Mine is stillboiling after over 5 yeaes.* These instructions are reasonably specific. Has anyone tried replicating this? Is there any reason to believe Lucky Saint isn't just pulling our leg?
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Well, let's respond straightly. If our friend has this boiling device (five years!), then he can easily show it. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 18, 2012, at 2:08 PM, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: On Tue Dec 18 James said [snip] Is there any reason to believe Lucky Saint isn't just pulling our leg?[/snip] James, He may still be pulling our leg but he is smart enough to embrace a specific theory that would support his recipe… “Lucky Saint” is supporting the same theory that I favor of a zero point basis for these anomalies. The milling is done with inert gas to prevent melt down and allow even tighter geometry formation of the powders. The premise is these geometries self destruct even with only ambient gases much less hydrogen and you will note how he transfers the sealed powder from glove box to being submerged in water – a heat sink that prevents some of the geometry from self destructing. Sort of borrowing from Lyne – Moller theory for geometry/powder and the immediate heat sinking is an insightful addition to systems already employed by Rossi and Mills…. I would call it a long shot but still possible! Fran From: James Bowery [mailto:jabow...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 12:35 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Swedish TV (SVT) show on Rossi Ecat On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 9:33 AM, mole4l...@gmail.com mole4l...@gmail.com wrote: *Lucky Saint · 37 weeks ago No. Take 2 copper disks size of a penny. Put a dent in one. Mix ultrafine magnesium hydride soft iron powder and nickel powder in equalportions. Make sure ALL ball milling, preparation and procedures arestrictly inert atmosphere and dry box manipulations. Compress a portionof the mix to a small pill which fits easily into the disk indentation.Seal the chamber, welding with jeweler's tools. Place reactor in asmall beaker with water. Place on top of induction coil heating unit.Cause the water to boil from heat induced by alternating magneticfield. Once boiling, turn off the induction heater. Keep adding wateras the boiling will continue by itself for ? years. Mine is stillboiling after over 5 yeaes.* These instructions are reasonably specific. Has anyone tried replicating this? Is there any reason to believe Lucky Saint isn't just pulling our leg?
