Re: Musings on: Energy Gravity and Acceleration
In a message dated 7/23/2004 5:27:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I, on the other hand, have done NO math on the subject. My approach has been strictly from visualization exercises performed while riding the bus to and from work, or perhaps as a much needed distraction from the mundane affairs of work. These "visualizations" have been fermenting in my noggin for decades. Me to. I'm working nights still starting up a power plant. Its Boring. Here are some of the places I go and think about antigravity. http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ParksJohnstown/index.html Frank Z
Re: Musings on: Energy Gravity and Acceleration
In a message dated 7/23/2004 10:44:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If so, how is it possible for a galaxy to organize with a diameter of several million light years? I do not know that's a more than two bodies complex problem. Its beyond me. It appears to that inertial mass is the universe's reaction to the local induced gravitational field. The induced field act like a reservoir of momentum and energy allowing for the propagation of the original field to remote regions. The induced field acting on the mass of the universe appears to account for the inertial mass of matter. The analysis is at page 4 of this chapter. http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/chapter9.html Frank Znidarsic
Re: Musings on: Energy Gravity and Acceleration
first off, if shine a laser across a room here on earth, is there a shift downwards thats detectable from earths gravity? also, of course there is a force. thats teh definition of acceleration. acceleration is caused by a constant force on an object. if gravity causes acceleration, it is by causeing a force. you seem to be looking at acceleration as its own force. its simply a consequence of physichal force of a certain amount, applied in a certain direction (known as a vector). when you fire a gun, the bullet experiences acceleration from the expanding gass. are you going to say that thats gravity? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 12:55:33 EDT Subject: Re: Musings on: Energy Gravity and Acceleration To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/23/2004 10:44:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If so, how is it possible for a galaxy to organize with a diameter of several million light years? I do not know that's a more than two bodies complex problem. Its beyond me. It appears to that inertial mass is the universe's reaction to the local induced gravitational field. The induced field act like a reservoir of momentum and energy allowing for the propagation of the original field to remote regions. The induced field acting on the mass of the universe appears to account for the inertial mass of matter. The analysis is at page 4 of this chapter. http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/chapter9.html Frank Znidarsic -- Fairy tales are more than true: not because they tell us that dragons exist, but because they tell us that dragons can be beaten. -G.K. Chesterson
RE: Musings on: Energy Gravity and Acceleration
Hi Frank, Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: Frank Z wrote: Or maybe it's the other way around! I get soo confused when I think about gravity vs. acceleration! You are not wrong. Gravity produces a force. GM/rr Force produces gravity Gravity = (G/ccr) (dp/dt) Why is this? Gravity travels at light speed. In order to conserve momentum within a universe where gravity travels at luminal velocities other forces must be introduced into the system. The other force is induced field. The same idea applies to the electromagnetic field. The electric field produces a force F = q/rr An electrical force produces an induced field. Field = L (di/dt) The induced field conserves momentum during the interval in which a disturbance in the original field is propagating. I have also done the math on this. Frank Z I, on the other hand, have done NO math on the subject. My approach has been strictly from visualization exercises performed while riding the bus to and from work, or perhaps as a much needed distraction from the mundane affairs of work. These visualizations have been fermenting in my noggin for decades. Apparently, such an approach has its advantages and disadvantages. For example, I still don't understand your comments where you say that Gravity produces a force and force produces gravity. Again, I go back to the accelerating rocket exercise, and no force (as I visualize it) is being applied to the light as it travels across the room. Sure, force is being applied to the rocket causing it to accelerate (creating the effect of gravity) but there is no force being applied to the beam of light. Never the less, it is perceived as having bent towards the floor by the time it reaches the opposite wall. Strange stuff, that relativity. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com
Re: Musings on: Energy Gravity and Acceleration
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/23/2004 4:49:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Or maybe it's the other way around! I get soo confused when I think about gravity vs. acceleration! You are not wrong. Gravity produces a force. GM/rr This sounds like circular reasoning. Which came first, the force or gravity? Force produces gravity Gravity = (G/ccr) (dp/dt) Why is this? Gravity travels at light speed. If so, how is it possible for a galaxy to organize with a diameter of several million light years? In order to conserve momentum within a universe where gravity travels at luminal velocities other forces must be introduced into the system. Does this induced field respond faster than the speed of light? Ed The other force is induced field. The same idea applies to the electromagnetic field. The electric field produces a force F = q/rr An electrical force produces an induced field. Field = L (di/dt) The induced field conserves momentum during the interval in which a disturbance in the original field is propagating. I have also done the math on this. Frank Z
