Re: [Vo]:Galactic cosmic rays, solar activity and the climate

2020-04-05 Thread H LV 
Hi,
I can`t offer any clarification.
I posted this link a while ago just to offer some alternative ideas on the
subject of climate change.

Harry

On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 3:35 PM bobcook39...@hotmail.com <
bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Harry—
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> The following is taken from the news item by Svensmark:
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> ·  When the sun is dormant, magnetically speaking, there are more cosmic
> rays and more low clouds, and the world is cooler.
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> ·  When the sun is active, fewer cosmic rays
> <https://phys.org/tags/cosmic+rays/> reach the Earth and, with fewer low
> clouds <https://phys.org/tags/clouds/>, the planet warms up
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> The 2 bullets are confusing, because the parameters associated with the
> sun dormancy and activity are not the same.
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> Svensmark seems to say the dormancy is associated with magnetic storms;
> but he does not indicate a measurable parameter associated with the Sun’s
> activity.
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> The following link is instructive regarding this question and of interest
> regarding a hot and cold Earth.
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> *http://lasp.colorado.edu/sorce/news/2010ScienceMeeting/doc/Session1/1.06_Lal_35KYr.pdf
> <http://lasp.colorado.edu/sorce/news/2010ScienceMeeting/doc/Session1/1.06_Lal_35KYr.pdf>*
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> *It is entitled:*
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> Direct measurements of solar activity in the past 35,000 years
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> Bob Cook
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> *From: *Jürg Wyttenbach 
> *Sent: *Friday, April 3, 2020 1:23 PM
> *To: *vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject: *Re: [Vo]:Galactic cosmic rays, solar activity and the climate
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> Positive and negative aerosols should mutually attract.
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> This is modeled as a continuous growth function... albeit when a +-
> condense the result is most likely a neutral particle that is no longer
> attractive ...
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> I think people that did miss basic lessons should stop writing papers.
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> J.W.
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> Am 03.04.20 um 22:02 schrieb David Jonsson:
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> Here another guy who says particles from galaxy clouds change our climate
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> https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2004GL021890
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> The periodicity is 100 Myr and 1 Gyr.
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> I asked on Physics Stack Exchange about particles from space and how much
> is required to form permanent cloud layers but the censors removed the
> question saying it was unrealistic.
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> On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 9:18 PM H LV  wrote:
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> Svensmark continues to build a case for his galactic view on climate
> change.
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> https://phys.org/news/2017-12-link-stars-clouds-climate-earth.html
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> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-017-02082-2
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> Paper in Nature (Dec. 2017)
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> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-017-02082-2
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> --
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> Jürg Wyttenbach
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> Bifangstr.22
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> 8910 Affoltern a.A.
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> 044 760 14 18
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> 079 246 36 06
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RE: [Vo]:Galactic cosmic rays, solar activity and the climate

2020-04-05 Thread bobcook39...@hotmail.com 
Harry—

The following is taken from the news item by Svensmark:

•  When the sun is dormant, magnetically speaking, there are more cosmic rays 
and more low clouds, and the world is cooler.
•  When the sun is active, fewer cosmic 
rays<https://phys.org/tags/cosmic+rays/> reach the Earth and, with fewer low 
clouds<https://phys.org/tags/clouds/>, the planet warms up

The 2 bullets are confusing, because the parameters associated with the sun 
dormancy and activity are not the same.

Svensmark seems to say the dormancy is associated with magnetic storms; but he 
does not indicate a measurable parameter associated with the Sun’s activity.

The following link is instructive regarding this question and of interest 
regarding a hot and cold Earth.

http://lasp.colorado.edu/sorce/news/2010ScienceMeeting/doc/Session1/1.06_Lal_35KYr.pdf

It is entitled:

Direct measurements of solar activity in the past 35,000 years

Bob Cook


From: Jürg Wyttenbach<mailto:ju...@datamart.ch>
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 1:23 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Galactic cosmic rays, solar activity and the climate

Positive and negative aerosols should mutually attract.

This is modeled as a continuous growth function... albeit when a +- condense 
the result is most likely a neutral particle that is no longer attractive ...

I think people that did miss basic lessons should stop writing papers.

J.W.




Am 03.04.20 um 22:02 schrieb David Jonsson:
Here another guy who says particles from galaxy clouds change our climate
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2004GL021890
The periodicity is 100 Myr and 1 Gyr.

I asked on Physics Stack Exchange about particles from space and how much is 
required to form permanent cloud layers but the censors removed the question 
saying it was unrealistic.


On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 9:18 PM H LV 
mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Svensmark continues to build a case for his galactic view on climate change.

https://phys.org/news/2017-12-link-stars-clouds-climate-earth.html


https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-017-02082-2

Paper in Nature (Dec. 2017)
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-017-02082-2



--

Jürg Wyttenbach

Bifangstr.22

8910 Affoltern a.A.

044 760 14 18

079 246 36 06

Re: [Vo]:Galactic cosmic rays, solar activity and the climate

2020-04-03 Thread Jürg Wyttenbach 

Positive and negative aerosols should mutually attract.

This is modeled as a continuous growth function... albeit when a +- 
condense the result is most likely a neutral particle that is no longer 
attractive ...


I think people that did miss basic lessons should stop writing papers.

J.W.




Am 03.04.20 um 22:02 schrieb David Jonsson:

Here another guy who says particles from galaxy clouds change our climate
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2004GL021890
The periodicity is 100 Myr and 1 Gyr.

I asked on Physics Stack Exchange about particles from space and how 
much is required to form permanent cloud layers but the censors 
removed the question saying it was unrealistic.



On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 9:18 PM H LV > wrote:


Svensmark continues to build a case for his galactic view on
climate change.

https://phys.org/news/2017-12-link-stars-clouds-climate-earth.html


https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-017-02082-2

Paper in Nature (Dec. 2017)
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-017-02082-2



--
Jürg Wyttenbach
Bifangstr.22
8910 Affoltern a.A.
044 760 14 18
079 246 36 06

Re: [Vo]:Galactic cosmic rays, solar activity and the climate

2020-04-03 Thread David Jonsson 
Here another guy who says particles from galaxy clouds change our climate
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2004GL021890
The periodicity is 100 Myr and 1 Gyr.

I asked on Physics Stack Exchange about particles from space and how much
is required to form permanent cloud layers but the censors removed the
question saying it was unrealistic.


On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 9:18 PM H LV  wrote:

> Svensmark continues to build a case for his galactic view on climate
> change.
>
> https://phys.org/news/2017-12-link-stars-clouds-climate-earth.html
>
>
> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-017-02082-2
>
> Paper in Nature (Dec. 2017)
> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-017-02082-2
>