Re: [Vo]:Re: Rossi's missing secret or E-CatX description or both?

[mixent]

In reply to  Bob Cook's message of Mon, 25 Apr 2016 07:31:43 -0700:
Hi,

Try creating 2 volts over a gap that is stuffed with a metal powder i.s.o.
air, let alone 10 V.

>Robin--
>
>The voltage may be an intermittent voltage like in a spark plug.  The 
>current is low but the transient voltage is what is required to initiate the 
>LENR.  Spark plugs in cars develop 20,000 volts as you probably know.  I 
>have been shocked may times by such voltage sources.
>
>I guessed that the Quark wafer design made use of positive and negative 
>plates to collect either H- or H+, electrons and/or positrons.  I would 
>guess that the mean free path of an energetic positron would be on the order 
>of a similar energetic electron.  This would be several microns, I believe, 
>before a reaction with an electron might occur.
>
>Rossi noted that the Quark-X produced 1/2 thermal energy (maybe from .511 
>Mev radiation) and 1/2 direct electrical output.
>
>Bob Cook
>
>-Original Message- 
>From: Roarty, Francis X
>Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 6:55 AM
>To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
>Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi's missing secret or E-CatX description or both?
>
>Robin the 100kev might be an effect of direct current taking multipaths thru 
>metal powders loaded with H ions - he doesn't say he is using a 100kv power 
>supply.. [snip] "4 - a generator of direct current connected with a cathode 
>and an anode to accelerate the electrons" [/snip] I am thinking micro spark 
>gap circuits formed of powder grains and gas ions.
>
>Fran
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com]
>Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 5:43 PM
>To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
>Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Rossi's missing secret or E-CatX description or 
>both?
>
>In reply to  a.ashfield's message of Sun, 24 Apr 2016 12:15:22 -0400:
>Hi,
>[snip]
>
>I wouldn't put too much stock in this. The metal parts are likely to short 
>out a
>100 kV voltage supply.
>
>> From the lenr-forum.com
>>Rossi's missing secret or E-CatX description or both?
>>
>>"All replicators should pay attention to Rossi's provisional US-patent
>>61/999,582, filing-date: August 01, 2014. Provisional patents are not
>>published at USPTO but another site published a copy of this patent
>>which contains the following description:
>>
>> "In a reactor are put nickel powders, hydrides at a pressure of 3-6
>>bars an a temperature of 400-600 Celsius, AND AT ONE SIDE OF THE REACTOR
>>IS PUT AN ANODE, AT THE OPPOSITE A CATHODE, so that electrons are
>>accelerated up to 100 keV, ..."
>>
>>At the ends of the reactor are an anode and a cathode!!!
>>
>>"4 - a generator of direct current connected with a cathode and an
>>anode to accelrate the electrons"
>>
>>So Rossi is using DC to initiate (and maybe control) the reaction. (And
>>possibly uses the anode and cathode for direct extraction of electric
>>energy after the reaction occured - ECatX.)"
>>
>>https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/3183-Rossi-s-missing-secret-or-E-CatX-description-or-both/?postID=17802#post17802
>>
>>
>Regards,
>
>Robin van Spaandonk
>
>http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

RE: [Vo]:Re: Rossi's missing secret or E-CatX description or both?

[Jones Beene]

Bob,

 

As mentioned in another thread, John Dash found excess heat and nuclear 
transmutation using pure titanium cathode and heavy water many years ago. 
Impurities in the Titanium are not needed… that is, if you use deuterium. But 
can we accept the consequences of radioactive transmutation products?

 

>From a commercial standpoint, it is desirable to use light water and find 
>non-nuclear gain via DCE, even if the gain is less. The net cost will be 
>acceptable since there will be no impediment to usage of the device in 
>transportation or home, where anything producing toxic isotopes will be 
>proscribed due to the inevitability of accidents.

 

Titanium hydride is way cheaper than the Hunter nickel powder these days (I 
recently bought a kilo) but heavy water is locked-in as expensive. It is in 
mass production already (due to CANDU) so the high cost will go no lower. 

 

Even if the yield for TiH2 is an order of magnitude less per unit of titanium, 
but the cost of deuterium is avoided along with transmutation products and NRC 
interference, it would seem to be preferable to go the non-nuclear route. 

 

This understated and almost unknown R&D is some of the best news of the year 
for alternative energy - if it can be validated in the USA: we should look 
forward to hearing more from the Ukraine/Russian group on this. Wouldn’t they 
love to make up for the embarrassment of Chernobyl with a breakthrough like 
this…?

 

From: Bob Cook 

 

The correct impurities may allow for a higher reaction temperature for the LENR 
to go in SS mode. Excess energy from phase transition of the coherent system 
may be all it takes to induce LENR reactions involving nuclide changes and 
excess energy. In spite of “Coulomb Barriers”, the system may want to reach a 
more stable state with lower kinetic energy per nucleon and proceed to 
accomplish this goal. “

 

As suggested above, there may be a nuclear source of energy to feed the phase 
transitions associated with the Ti addition.