Re: [Vo]:We owe Steven Kirvit an applogy

2016-05-23 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 10:21 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson <
orionwo...@charter.net> wrote:

I think we came to loggerheads over the whole McKubre M4 issue. I never
> felt comfortable with Krivit's analysis (actually, I would say: Krivit's
> opinion) on the matter.


I found Steven Krivit's supporting material relating to the changes in
Michael McKubre's M4 graph very interesting.  It was Krivit's thesis that
was silly.  He wanted to make it out as though McKubre had done something
unsavory.  What was clear from the changes over the years was
that McKubre was revisiting earlier interpretations and presentations of
the data, in a way that seemed to me to be quite appropriate.

Eric


RE: [Vo]:We owe Steven Kirvit an applogy

2016-05-23 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Jed,

 

Obviously, each Vort participant has to decide for themselves whether they 
should apologize to Mr. Krivit.

 

Having been a former NET BoD member, I had my share of interactions with Mr. 
Krivit. My experience with Mr. Krivit was that he can be tireless and dedicated 
in his desire to get to the truth of the matter. (We worked, in private, on a 
couple of interesting projects together, and those interactions were for the 
most part good productive experiences for me.) But I also came to the personal 
opinion that what one man's perceives as the truth is not necessarily the truth 
as perceived by another man or woman. I would say the two of us eventually came 
to loggerheads when I essentially critiqued what I personally felt was Krivit's 
inexperienced responses to a more experienced radio show host's questions out 
in Vortex. This was over some disputed McKubre data. As a NET BoD member at the 
time it was none of my business to have critiqued Krivit's job performance in 
such a public manner, out in Vortex. That was my fault. Krivit was quite angry 
with me. After I unloaded what I really wanted to say to Krivit in private, it 
became pretty obvious that I was not a comfortable fit in his NET organization. 
I felt extremely relieved to have been asked to leave. I wasted no time in 
fulfilling his request.

 

I think we came to loggerheads over the whole McKubre M4 issue. I never felt 
comfortable with Krivit's analysis (actually, I would say: Krivit's opinion) on 
the matter. To be blunt, I didn't think Krivit was sufficiently qualified to 
have come down as hard on as hard on McKubre in the manner that he did. I think 
it seriously hurt Krivit's reputation and standing within the CF community - 
significantly.

 

In regards to Rossi-Gate, (I love that term, Jones!) I wished Mr. Krivit would 
have focused primarily on the actual calorimetric data (or the lack of it) 
alone to prove his points... his suspicions, if you will.  But as far as I can 
tell that's not how Krivit has chosen to conduct his investigations on the 
Rossi-Gate affair. It's my understanding Krivit came away with a bad feeling 
about Rossi pretty much after his initial personal encounter. I would speculate 
Krivit came away feeling that Rossi was attempting to manipulate him into 
becoming an advocate for his holy cause.  I can certainly understand why Krivit 
came away with bad feelings and suspicions of Rossi, just as you had your own 
doubts after communicating with him from the very beginning. I remains my 
opinion that Krivit allowed his suspicions of Rossi's eccentric behaviors... 
perhaps suspicions that Rossi was trying to manipulate him, to overwhelm the 
more important task of simply focusing on the calorimetric data Rossi claimed 
he had accumulated. IMO, there exists TOO MUCH EMOTIONAL KRIVIT BAGAGE for me 
to trust that Krivit is capable of writing objective reporting on Rossi. 
Carrying around TOO MUCH EMOTIONAL BAGGAGE is a bad combination to be saddled 
with if one wants to play the role of being an objective investigative 
journalist.

 

Again, I feel no need to apologize to Mr. Krivit. I wish him well in his 
endeavors. But to apologize? Actually it would feel tantamount to enabling, or 
endorsing Krivit's personal take on the Rossi-Gate affair - which I most 
certainly don't.

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

orionworks.com

http://www.zazzle.com/orionworks

http://stevenvincentjohnson.bandcamp.com/

 

 

 

From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 7:53 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Steve Krivit
Subject: Re: [Vo]:We owe Steven Kirvit an applogy

 

I do not know if we should apologize to Steve, but I certainly agree he was 
right and I was wrong. I have been meaning to tell him.

 

To be mealymouthed I wasn't so wrong as noncommittal. I think I said -- I hope 
I said -- I cannot judge whether Rossi is fraud or not, and it is not my 
business to do that, because I am not a policeman. His tests looked sloppy to 
me, especially when he almost blew up the people from NASA. My first impression 
of Rossi was the time he invited me and then uninvited me when I said I would 
measure the temperature and flow rates with my own instruments. That gave me a 
bad impression. 

 

- Jed

 



Re: [Vo]:We owe Steven Kirvit an applogy

2016-05-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
I do not know if we should apologize to Steve, but I certainly agree he was
right and I was wrong. I have been meaning to tell him.

To be mealymouthed I wasn't so wrong as noncommittal. I think I said -- I
hope I said -- I cannot judge whether Rossi is fraud or not, and it is not
my business to do that, because I am not a policeman. His tests looked
sloppy to me, especially when he almost blew up the people from NASA. My
first impression of Rossi was the time he invited me and then uninvited me
when I said I would measure the temperature and flow rates with my own
instruments. That gave me a bad impression.

- Jed