Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

[James Bowery]

Its at 11:45 into the video.

Thank you, H. Veeder.


On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:11 PM, H Veeder  wrote:

> A COP can be calculated from this screen capture
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BxxczzEYA5C5ajA3MndVbHd5NGM/edit?usp=sharing
>
> which comes from the fourth video on this page
> http://new.livestream.com/triwu2/Defkalion-ita
>
>
> Harry
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:24 PM, blaze spinnaker <
>> blazespinna...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think I read 5 somewhere.
>>>
>>> 1,6 kWe for 8 kWth
>>>
>>> You can watch the video.  they have some graphs in the background:
>>>
>>> http://new.livestream.com/triwu2/Defkalion-ita
>>>
>>> Personally, if you're an english speaker, I'd wait for tomorrow's video
>>> though for things like that.
>>>
>>> It'll be at:
>>>
>>> http://new.livestream.com/triwu2/Defkalion-US
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 6:05 PM, James Bowery wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for the correction, Akira.  So, where, exactly, are we to find
 the actual Coefficient of Performance attained by today's demonstration in
 Italy?

 Chapter and verse please.


 On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Akira Shirakawa <
 shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2013-07-23 02:04, James Bowery wrote:
>
>> That's not what the article says:
>> http://it.ibtimes.com/**articles/53211/20130722/**
>> fusione-fredda-defkalion-**video-streaming-presentazione.**htm
>>
>> It says a 4:1 ratio:
>>
>
> Gamberale is talking about the notorious scientific paper by De Ninno
> et al. (ENEA), colloquially referred to as "Rapporto 41" ("Report #41",
> which Google translates to "Ratio 41"):
>
> http://www.fusione.enea.it/**pubblications/TR/2002/RT-2002-**
> 41-FUS.pdf
>
> Cheers,
> S.A.
>
>

>>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

[H Veeder]

A COP can be calculated from this screen capture

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BxxczzEYA5C5ajA3MndVbHd5NGM/edit?usp=sharing

which comes from the fourth video on this page
http://new.livestream.com/triwu2/Defkalion-ita


Harry


On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:24 PM, blaze spinnaker
wrote:
>
>> I think I read 5 somewhere.
>>
>> 1,6 kWe for 8 kWth
>>
>> You can watch the video.  they have some graphs in the background:
>>
>> http://new.livestream.com/triwu2/Defkalion-ita
>>
>> Personally, if you're an english speaker, I'd wait for tomorrow's video
>> though for things like that.
>>
>> It'll be at:
>>
>> http://new.livestream.com/triwu2/Defkalion-US
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 6:05 PM, James Bowery  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the correction, Akira.  So, where, exactly, are we to find
>>> the actual Coefficient of Performance attained by today's demonstration in
>>> Italy?
>>>
>>> Chapter and verse please.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Akira Shirakawa <
>>> shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 On 2013-07-23 02:04, James Bowery wrote:

> That's not what the article says:
> http://it.ibtimes.com/**articles/53211/20130722/**
> fusione-fredda-defkalion-**video-streaming-presentazione.**htm
>
> It says a 4:1 ratio:
>

 Gamberale is talking about the notorious scientific paper by De Ninno
 et al. (ENEA), colloquially referred to as "Rapporto 41" ("Report #41",
 which Google translates to "Ratio 41"):

 http://www.fusione.enea.it/**pubblications/TR/2002/RT-2002-**41-FUS.pdf

 Cheers,
 S.A.


>>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

[H Veeder]

I saw an input of 1.8kW and an output of 8kW. This gives a COP of 4.4
Harry


On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:24 PM, blaze spinnaker
wrote:

> I think I read 5 somewhere.
>
> 1,6 kWe for 8 kWth
>
> You can watch the video.  they have some graphs in the background:
>
> http://new.livestream.com/triwu2/Defkalion-ita
>
> Personally, if you're an english speaker, I'd wait for tomorrow's video
> though for things like that.
>
> It'll be at:
>
> http://new.livestream.com/triwu2/Defkalion-US
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 6:05 PM, James Bowery  wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the correction, Akira.  So, where, exactly, are we to find the
>> actual Coefficient of Performance attained by today's demonstration in
>> Italy?
>>
>> Chapter and verse please.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Akira Shirakawa <
>> shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2013-07-23 02:04, James Bowery wrote:
>>>
 That's not what the article says:
 http://it.ibtimes.com/**articles/53211/20130722/**
 fusione-fredda-defkalion-**video-streaming-presentazione.**htm

 It says a 4:1 ratio:

>>>
>>> Gamberale is talking about the notorious scientific paper by De Ninno et
>>> al. (ENEA), colloquially referred to as "Rapporto 41" ("Report #41", which
>>> Google translates to "Ratio 41"):
>>>
>>> http://www.fusione.enea.it/**pubblications/TR/2002/RT-2002-**41-FUS.pdf
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> S.A.
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

[blaze spinnaker]

I think I read 5 somewhere.

1,6 kWe for 8 kWth

You can watch the video.  they have some graphs in the background:

http://new.livestream.com/triwu2/Defkalion-ita

Personally, if you're an english speaker, I'd wait for tomorrow's video
though for things like that.

It'll be at:

http://new.livestream.com/triwu2/Defkalion-US

On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 6:05 PM, James Bowery  wrote:

> Thanks for the correction, Akira.  So, where, exactly, are we to find the
> actual Coefficient of Performance attained by today's demonstration in
> Italy?
>
> Chapter and verse please.
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Akira Shirakawa <
> shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2013-07-23 02:04, James Bowery wrote:
>>
>>> That's not what the article says:
>>> http://it.ibtimes.com/**articles/53211/20130722/**
>>> fusione-fredda-defkalion-**video-streaming-presentazione.**htm
>>>
>>> It says a 4:1 ratio:
>>>
>>
>> Gamberale is talking about the notorious scientific paper by De Ninno et
>> al. (ENEA), colloquially referred to as "Rapporto 41" ("Report #41", which
>> Google translates to "Ratio 41"):
>>
>> http://www.fusione.enea.it/**pubblications/TR/2002/RT-2002-**41-FUS.pdf
>>
>> Cheers,
>> S.A.
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

[James Bowery]

Thanks for the correction, Akira.  So, where, exactly, are we to find the
actual Coefficient of Performance attained by today's demonstration in
Italy?

Chapter and verse please.


On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Akira Shirakawa
wrote:

> On 2013-07-23 02:04, James Bowery wrote:
>
>> That's not what the article says:
>> http://it.ibtimes.com/**articles/53211/20130722/**
>> fusione-fredda-defkalion-**video-streaming-presentazione.**htm
>>
>> It says a 4:1 ratio:
>>
>
> Gamberale is talking about the notorious scientific paper by De Ninno et
> al. (ENEA), colloquially referred to as "Rapporto 41" ("Report #41", which
> Google translates to "Ratio 41"):
>
> http://www.fusione.enea.it/**pubblications/TR/2002/RT-2002-**41-FUS.pdf
>
> Cheers,
> S.A.
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

[Akira Shirakawa]

On 2013-07-23 02:04, James Bowery wrote:

That's not what the article says:
http://it.ibtimes.com/articles/53211/20130722/fusione-fredda-defkalion-video-streaming-presentazione.htm

It says a 4:1 ratio:


Gamberale is talking about the notorious scientific paper by De Ninno et 
al. (ENEA), colloquially referred to as "Rapporto 41" ("Report #41", 
which Google translates to "Ratio 41"):


http://www.fusione.enea.it/pubblications/TR/2002/RT-2002-41-FUS.pdf

Cheers,
S.A.

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

[James Bowery]

Perhaps I should make this crystal clear:

When they say 4:1 they are *not* saying a COP of 4 or 5 or whatever.  They
are saying *a COP of 0.25!*

I cannot emphasize enough how important it is, in this sensitive situation,
to avoid a mistake such as that made by Charles Fancis in his erroneous
report.


On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 7:04 PM, James Bowery  wrote:

> That's not what the article says:
>
> http://it.ibtimes.com/articles/53211/20130722/fusione-fredda-defkalion-video-streaming-presentazione.htm
>
> It says a 4:1 ratio:
>
> Luke Gamberale, after specifying that were observed radiation but in very
> low quantities, reminiscent of the famous report of ENEA, the ratio 41. In
> the final results of this experiment "you could see a clear correlation
> between small excesses of measurable heat and helium production" which was
> measured by a mass spectrometers developed ad hoc for this experiment. Of
> course - said Gamberale - the ratio 41 is a scientific experiment that does
> not have commercial implications.
>
> Read more:
> http://it.ibtimes.com/articles/53211/20130722/fusione-fredda-defkalion-video-streaming-presentazione.htm#ixzz2Zp2uCycD
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 6:13 AM, Charles Francis wrote:
>
>> Shows COP of  5
>>
>> ** **
>>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

[James Bowery]

That's not what the article says:
http://it.ibtimes.com/articles/53211/20130722/fusione-fredda-defkalion-video-streaming-presentazione.htm

It says a 4:1 ratio:

Luke Gamberale, after specifying that were observed radiation but in very
low quantities, reminiscent of the famous report of ENEA, the ratio 41. In
the final results of this experiment "you could see a clear correlation
between small excesses of measurable heat and helium production" which was
measured by a mass spectrometers developed ad hoc for this experiment. Of
course - said Gamberale - the ratio 41 is a scientific experiment that does
not have commercial implications.

Read more:
http://it.ibtimes.com/articles/53211/20130722/fusione-fredda-defkalion-video-streaming-presentazione.htm#ixzz2Zp2uCycD


On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 6:13 AM, Charles Francis wrote:

> Shows COP of  5
>
> ** **
>

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

[Alan Fletcher]

IBT report on the demonstration :  
http://it.ibtimes.com/articles/53211/20130722/fusione-fredda-defkalion-video-streaming-presentazione.htm
 (google translate looks OK)

Several quotes -- I presume off the video, not by an IBT reporter at the event.

Implies that tomorrow's test will be in Italy:

> Tomorrow there will be a second demonstration, to be followed also by 
> scientists gathered at the University of Missouri at ICCF-18

I didn't spot Mats Lewan on the couple of videos I skimmed through ... maybe 
tomorrow?

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

[H Veeder]

All the commentary was in Italian, but the guy with the microphone spoke
briefly in English and said tomorrow's demo will be in English and it is
scheduled to begin at 4pm in Italy (10am EST)

Harry


On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Charles Francis wrote:

> There’s recordings below in various parts – sound not working at first.***
> *
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Daniel Rocha [mailto:danieldi...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 22 July 2013 14:26
> *To:* John Milstone
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo
>
> ** **
>
> It's offline...
>
> ** **
>
> 2013/7/22 Charles Francis 
>
> http://new.livestream.com/triwu2/Defkalion-ita
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Craig [mailto:cchayniepub...@gmail.com]
> Sent: 22 July 2013 13:49
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo
>
> Can you provide a link? I don't have the link to the demo.
>
> Craig
>
> On 07/22/2013 07:13 AM, Charles Francis wrote:
> >
> > Shows COP of  5
> >
> >
> >
>
> 
>
>
>
> 
>
> ** **
>
> --
> Daniel Rocha - RJ
>
> danieldi...@gmail.com
>

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

[Charles Francis]

There's recordings below in various parts - sound not working at first.

 

From: Daniel Rocha [mailto:danieldi...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 22 July 2013 14:26
To: John Milstone
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

 

It's offline...

 

2013/7/22 Charles Francis 

http://new.livestream.com/triwu2/Defkalion-ita



-Original Message-
From: Craig [mailto:cchayniepub...@gmail.com]
Sent: 22 July 2013 13:49
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

Can you provide a link? I don't have the link to the demo.

Craig

On 07/22/2013 07:13 AM, Charles Francis wrote:
>
> Shows COP of  5
>
>
>







 

-- 
Daniel Rocha - RJ

danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

[Daniel Rocha]

It's offline...


2013/7/22 Charles Francis 

> http://new.livestream.com/triwu2/Defkalion-ita
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Craig [mailto:cchayniepub...@gmail.com]
> Sent: 22 July 2013 13:49
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo
>
> Can you provide a link? I don't have the link to the demo.
>
> Craig
>
> On 07/22/2013 07:13 AM, Charles Francis wrote:
> >
> > Shows COP of  5
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>


-- 
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

[Charles Francis]

http://new.livestream.com/triwu2/Defkalion-ita


-Original Message-
From: Craig [mailto:cchayniepub...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 22 July 2013 13:49
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

Can you provide a link? I don't have the link to the demo.

Craig

On 07/22/2013 07:13 AM, Charles Francis wrote:
>
> Shows COP of  5
>
>  
>

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

[Craig]

Can you provide a link? I don't have the link to the demo.

Craig

On 07/22/2013 07:13 AM, Charles Francis wrote:
>
> Shows COP of  5
>
>  
>