RE: [Vo]:Jeff Morriss detects radiation in Celani type experiment

[Jones Beene]

Branching Intensity – the reference below is a dead link and the info comes 
from a google cache.

www.fas.org/sgp/othergov/doe/lanl/docs1/00326396.pdf‎

 

"The fraction of decays that is accompanied by the emission of a specific 
energy gamma ray is called the branching intensity… Uranium-235 decays by 
alpha-particle emission with a half-life of 7 x 10^8 yr…. 54% of the alpha 
particles are accompanied by a 185.7-keV gamma ray… 

 

The gist of the situation for those performing gamma testing is that half of 
alpha emissions can be accompanied by direct gamma radiation (at least for U, 
but who knows what the actual ratio is for radon). I suspect the Branching 
Intensity (BI) is higher for Rn than the 54% for U, since the alpha emission is 
stronger for Rn.

 

Jones

-

 

Bob,

 

In addition to gamma rays from those two daughters you mentioned, one must also 
include the branching intensity of radon itself. 

 

Often with high energy alpha decay, as in radon – the alpha is accompanied by a 
gamma ray which shares a fraction of the net energy released. 

 

The branching intensity is the fraction of alpha decay that is accompanied by 
the emission of a gamma. I do not have the exact number handy for radon, but if 
memory serves it is relevant when the counts are this low.

 

From: Bob Higgins 

 

I stand corrected.  It appears that 214Bi and 214Pb are gamma emitters in the 
radon daughter chain.  Most of the signatures are between 100keV and 1MeV with 
a few above.

 

Jones Beene  wrote:

Bob, 

All three radon isotopes have gamma decay channels in addition to alpha. The 
signatures are well known (around 6 MeV).

 

Radon detection is a cottage industry in silicon valley

 

 

From: Bob Higgins 

 

Jeff's setup may be more sensitive to radon than Alan's.  The NaI detector that 
Alan used is only sensitive to gamma, and not beta.  Radon decay chains are 
primarily alpha and beta emissions.  With the foil wrapped around Jeff's GM 
detector, he probably does not have much alpha sensitivity, but he will still 
have beta sensitivity - which could come from radon.  Beta and alpha 
sensitivity can be evaluated with check sources.  If Jeff is in the same area 
as Alan, he could borrow Alan's check sources, but I am not sure if Alan has a 
beta source.  A good 24 hour background collection would also be useful as a 
null test to look for radon caused variation.  

 

On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:

From: Jack Cole 

 

Ø   Jeff Morriss has just published a nice study showing radiation of 7x 
background.  

https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/2847-Celani-Type-Replication/

This is nice. Here is one comment to file away as a possible mundane 
explanation. 

Jeff Morriss is in the same general geographic area as  Alan Goldwater,  and is 
probably working in his garage. Radon gas is known to be high in Alan’s area, 
and probably in Jeff’s also -- and 7x background is fully explainable by radon, 
if it is there… as is the apparent half-life average. 

… but wait, you say, Jeff did calibrate against background before seeing the 
higher rate, and also the half-life of 222Rn is about 4 days, not one hour.

Yes, but this calibration would not eliminate the source being Radon, since he 
is running a charged wire experiment - and when the experiment is turned on, it 
would attract radon to the wire and thus concentrate the signal. Plus a factor 
of 7 concentration is not unusual; plus the average of all three radon isotopes 
can be in the one hour half-life range. 

Therefore – the source of radiation could be radon. At least it has not yet 
been ruled out.

One way to lessen radon is to move the experiment outside, or to an area of 
lower radon emission (assuming it is high at Jeff’s location).

 

 

RE: [Vo]:Jeff Morriss detects radiation in Celani type experiment

[Jones Beene]

Bob,

 

In addition to gamma rays from those two daughters you mentioned, one must also 
include the branching intensity of radon itself. 

 

Often with high energy alpha decay, as in radon – the alpha is accompanied by a 
gamma ray which shares a fraction of the net energy released. 

 

The branching intensity is the fraction of alpha decay that is accompanied by 
the emission of a gamma. I do not have the exact number handy for radon, but if 
memory serves it is relevant when the counts are this low.

 

From: Bob Higgins 

 

I stand corrected.  It appears that 214Bi and 214Pb are gamma emitters in the 
radon daughter chain.  Most of the signatures are between 100keV and 1MeV with 
a few above.

 

Jones Beene  wrote:

Bob, 

All three radon isotopes have gamma decay channels in addition to alpha. The 
signatures are well known (around 6 MeV).

 

Radon detection is a cottage industry in silicon valley

 

 

From: Bob Higgins 

 

Jeff's setup may be more sensitive to radon than Alan's.  The NaI detector that 
Alan used is only sensitive to gamma, and not beta.  Radon decay chains are 
primarily alpha and beta emissions.  With the foil wrapped around Jeff's GM 
detector, he probably does not have much alpha sensitivity, but he will still 
have beta sensitivity - which could come from radon.  Beta and alpha 
sensitivity can be evaluated with check sources.  If Jeff is in the same area 
as Alan, he could borrow Alan's check sources, but I am not sure if Alan has a 
beta source.  A good 24 hour background collection would also be useful as a 
null test to look for radon caused variation.  

 

On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:

From: Jack Cole 

 

Ø   Jeff Morriss has just published a nice study showing radiation of 7x 
background.  

https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/2847-Celani-Type-Replication/

This is nice. Here is one comment to file away as a possible mundane 
explanation. 

Jeff Morriss is in the same general geographic area as  Alan Goldwater,  and is 
probably working in his garage. Radon gas is known to be high in Alan’s area, 
and probably in Jeff’s also -- and 7x background is fully explainable by radon, 
if it is there… as is the apparent half-life average. 

… but wait, you say, Jeff did calibrate against background before seeing the 
higher rate, and also the half-life of 222Rn is about 4 days, not one hour.

Yes, but this calibration would not eliminate the source being Radon, since he 
is running a charged wire experiment - and when the experiment is turned on, it 
would attract radon to the wire and thus concentrate the signal. Plus a factor 
of 7 concentration is not unusual; plus the average of all three radon isotopes 
can be in the one hour half-life range. 

Therefore – the source of radiation could be radon. At least it has not yet 
been ruled out.

One way to lessen radon is to move the experiment outside, or to an area of 
lower radon emission (assuming it is high at Jeff’s location).

 

 

Re: [Vo]:Jeff Morriss detects radiation in Celani type experiment

[Axil Axil]

Any 63 minute half lives pop up?

On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Bob Higgins 
wrote:

> I stand corrected.  It appears that 214Bi and 214Pb are gamma emitters in
> the radon daughter chain.  Most of the signatures are between 100keV and
> 1MeV with a few above.
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 9:29 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:
>
>> Bob,
>>
>>
>>
>> All three radon isotopes have gamma decay channels in addition to alpha.
>> The signatures are well known (around 6 MeV).
>>
>>
>>
>> Radon detection is a cottage industry in silicon valley
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Bob Higgins
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeff's setup may be more sensitive to radon than Alan's.  The NaI
>> detector that Alan used is only sensitive to gamma, and not beta.  Radon
>> decay chains are primarily alpha and beta emissions.  With the foil wrapped
>> around Jeff's GM detector, he probably does not have much alpha
>> sensitivity, but he will still have beta sensitivity - which could come
>> from radon.  Beta and alpha sensitivity can be evaluated with check
>> sources.  If Jeff is in the same area as Alan, he could borrow Alan's check
>> sources, but I am not sure if Alan has a beta source.  A good 24 hour
>> background collection would also be useful as a null test to look for radon
>> caused variation.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:
>>
>> *From:* Jack Cole
>>
>>
>>
>> Ø   Jeff Morriss has just published a nice study showing radiation
>> of 7x background.
>>
>>
>> https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/2847-Celani-Type-Replication/
>>
>> This is nice. Here is one comment to file away as a possible mundane
>> explanation.
>>
>> Jeff Morriss is in the same general geographic area as  Alan Goldwater,
>> and is probably working in his garage. Radon gas is known to be high in
>> Alan’s area, and probably in Jeff’s also -- and 7x background is fully
>> explainable by radon, if it is there… as is the apparent half-life average.
>>
>> … but wait, you say, Jeff did calibrate against background before seeing
>> the higher rate, and also the half-life of 222Rn is about 4 days, not
>> one hour.
>>
>> Yes, but this calibration would not eliminate the source being Radon,
>> since he is running a charged wire experiment - and when the experiment
>> is turned on, it would attract radon to the wire and thus concentrate
>> the signal. Plus a factor of 7 concentration is not unusual; plus the
>> average of all three radon isotopes can be in the one hour half-life range.
>>
>> Therefore – the source of radiation could be radon. At least it has not
>> yet been ruled out.
>>
>> One way to lessen radon is to move the experiment outside, or to an area
>> of lower radon emission (assuming it is high at Jeff’s location).
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Jeff Morriss detects radiation in Celani type experiment

[Bob Higgins]

I stand corrected.  It appears that 214Bi and 214Pb are gamma emitters in
the radon daughter chain.  Most of the signatures are between 100keV and
1MeV with a few above.

On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 9:29 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> Bob,
>
>
>
> All three radon isotopes have gamma decay channels in addition to alpha.
> The signatures are well known (around 6 MeV).
>
>
>
> Radon detection is a cottage industry in silicon valley
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Bob Higgins
>
>
>
> Jeff's setup may be more sensitive to radon than Alan's.  The NaI detector
> that Alan used is only sensitive to gamma, and not beta.  Radon decay
> chains are primarily alpha and beta emissions.  With the foil wrapped
> around Jeff's GM detector, he probably does not have much alpha
> sensitivity, but he will still have beta sensitivity - which could come
> from radon.  Beta and alpha sensitivity can be evaluated with check
> sources.  If Jeff is in the same area as Alan, he could borrow Alan's check
> sources, but I am not sure if Alan has a beta source.  A good 24 hour
> background collection would also be useful as a null test to look for radon
> caused variation.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:
>
> *From:* Jack Cole
>
>
>
> Ø   Jeff Morriss has just published a nice study showing radiation of
> 7x background.
>
>
> https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/2847-Celani-Type-Replication/
>
> This is nice. Here is one comment to file away as a possible mundane
> explanation.
>
> Jeff Morriss is in the same general geographic area as  Alan Goldwater,
> and is probably working in his garage. Radon gas is known to be high in
> Alan’s area, and probably in Jeff’s also -- and 7x background is fully
> explainable by radon, if it is there… as is the apparent half-life average.
>
> … but wait, you say, Jeff did calibrate against background before seeing
> the higher rate, and also the half-life of 222Rn is about 4 days, not one
> hour.
>
> Yes, but this calibration would not eliminate the source being Radon,
> since he is running a charged wire experiment - and when the experiment is
> turned on, it would attract radon to the wire and thus concentrate the
> signal. Plus a factor of 7 concentration is not unusual; plus the average
> of all three radon isotopes can be in the one hour half-life range.
>
> Therefore – the source of radiation could be radon. At least it has not
> yet been ruled out.
>
> One way to lessen radon is to move the experiment outside, or to an area
> of lower radon emission (assuming it is high at Jeff’s location).
>
>
>

RE: [Vo]:Jeff Morriss detects radiation in Celani type experiment

[Jones Beene]

Bob,

 

All three radon isotopes have gamma decay channels in addition to alpha. The 
signatures are well known (around 6 MeV).

 

Radon detection is a cottage industry in silicon valley

 

 

From: Bob Higgins 

 

Jeff's setup may be more sensitive to radon than Alan's.  The NaI detector that 
Alan used is only sensitive to gamma, and not beta.  Radon decay chains are 
primarily alpha and beta emissions.  With the foil wrapped around Jeff's GM 
detector, he probably does not have much alpha sensitivity, but he will still 
have beta sensitivity - which could come from radon.  Beta and alpha 
sensitivity can be evaluated with check sources.  If Jeff is in the same area 
as Alan, he could borrow Alan's check sources, but I am not sure if Alan has a 
beta source.  A good 24 hour background collection would also be useful as a 
null test to look for radon caused variation.  

 

On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:

From: Jack Cole 

 

Ø   Jeff Morriss has just published a nice study showing radiation of 7x 
background.  

https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/2847-Celani-Type-Replication/

This is nice. Here is one comment to file away as a possible mundane 
explanation. 

Jeff Morriss is in the same general geographic area as  Alan Goldwater,  and is 
probably working in his garage. Radon gas is known to be high in Alan’s area, 
and probably in Jeff’s also -- and 7x background is fully explainable by radon, 
if it is there… as is the apparent half-life average. 

… but wait, you say, Jeff did calibrate against background before seeing the 
higher rate, and also the half-life of 222Rn is about 4 days, not one hour.

Yes, but this calibration would not eliminate the source being Radon, since he 
is running a charged wire experiment - and when the experiment is turned on, it 
would attract radon to the wire and thus concentrate the signal. Plus a factor 
of 7 concentration is not unusual; plus the average of all three radon isotopes 
can be in the one hour half-life range. 

Therefore – the source of radiation could be radon. At least it has not yet 
been ruled out.

One way to lessen radon is to move the experiment outside, or to an area of 
lower radon emission (assuming it is high at Jeff’s location).

 

Re: [Vo]:Jeff Morriss detects radiation in Celani type experiment

[Bob Higgins]

Jeff's setup may be more sensitive to radon than Alan's.  The NaI detector
that Alan used is only sensitive to gamma, and not beta.  Radon decay
chains are primarily alpha and beta emissions.  With the foil wrapped
around Jeff's GM detector, he probably does not have much alpha
sensitivity, but he will still have beta sensitivity - which could come
from radon.  Beta and alpha sensitivity can be evaluated with check
sources.  If Jeff is in the same area as Alan, he could borrow Alan's check
sources, but I am not sure if Alan has a beta source.  A good 24 hour
background collection would also be useful as a null test to look for radon
caused variation.

On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> *From:* Jack Cole
>
>
>
> Ø   Jeff Morriss has just published a nice study showing radiation of
> 7x background.
>
>
> *https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/2847-Celani-Type-Replication/*
> 
>
> This is nice. Here is one comment to file away as a possible mundane
> explanation.
>
> Jeff Morriss is in the same general geographic area as  Alan Goldwater,
> and is probably working in his garage. Radon gas is known to be high in
> Alan’s area, and probably in Jeff’s also -- and 7x background is fully
> explainable by radon, if it is there… as is the apparent half-life average
> .
>
> … but wait, you say, Jeff did calibrate against background before seeing
> the higher rate, and also the half-life of 222Rn is about 4 days, not one
> hour.
>
> Yes, but this calibration would not eliminate the source being Radon,
> since he is running a charged wire experiment - and when the experiment is
> turned on, it would attract radon to the wire and thus concentrate the
> signal. Plus a factor of 7 concentration is not unusual; plus the average
> of all three radon isotopes can be in the one hour half-life range.
>
> Therefore – the source of radiation could be radon. At least it has not
> yet been ruled out.
>
> One way to lessen radon is to move the experiment outside, or to an area
> of lower radon emission (assuming it is high at Jeff’s location).
>

Re: [Vo]:Jeff Morriss detects radiation in Celani type experiment

[Axil Axil]

Radiation seems to show up when the power is low... the pumping is below
the threshold for the LENR reaction to fully establish itself. There is a
sweet spot in the power applied that jeff might have hit where the LENR
reaction is just about there but not quite there, MFMP sees this in their
gamma burst recently during reaction initialization.

On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> *From:* Jack Cole
>
> Ø
>
> Ø   Jeff Morriss has just published a nice study showing radiation of
> 7x background.
>
>
> *https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/2847-Celani-Type-Replication/*
> 
>
> This is nice. Here is one comment to file away as a possible mundane
> explanation.
>
> Jeff Morriss is in the same general geographic area as  Alan Goldwater,
> and is probably working in his garage. Radon gas is known to be high in
> Alan’s area, and probably in Jeff’s also -- and 7x background is fully
> explainable by radon, if it is there… as is the apparent half-life average
> .
>
> … but wait, you say, Jeff did calibrate against background before seeing
> the higher rate, and also the half-life of 222Rn is about 4 days, not one
> hour.
>
> Yes, but this calibration would not eliminate the source being Radon,
> since he is running a charged wire experiment - and when the experiment is
> turned on, it would attract radon to the wire and thus concentrate the
> signal. Plus a factor of 7 concentration is not unusual; plus the average
> of all three radon isotopes can be in the one hour half-life range.
>
> Therefore – the source of radiation could be radon. At least it has not
> yet been ruled out.
>
> One way to lessen radon is to move the experiment outside, or to an area
> of lower radon emission (assuming it is high at Jeff’s location).
>

RE: [Vo]:Jeff Morriss detects radiation in Celani type experiment

[Jones Beene]

From: Jack Cole 

*   
*   Jeff Morriss has just published a nice study showing radiation of 7x 
background.  
https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/2847-Celani-Type-Replication/


This is nice. Here is one comment to file away as a possible mundane 
explanation. 

Jeff Morriss is in the same general geographic area as  Alan Goldwater,  and is 
probably working in his garage. Radon gas is known to be high in Alan’s area, 
and probably in Jeff’s also -- and 7x background is fully explainable by radon, 
if it is there… as is the apparent half-life average. 

… but wait, you say, Jeff did calibrate against background before seeing the 
higher rate, and also the half-life of 222Rn is about 4 days, not one hour.

Yes, but this calibration would not eliminate the source being Radon, since he 
is running a charged wire experiment - and when the experiment is turned on, it 
would attract radon to the wire and thus concentrate the signal. Plus a factor 
of 7 concentration is not unusual; plus the average of all three radon isotopes 
can be in the one hour half-life range. 

Therefore – the source of radiation could be radon. At least it has not yet 
been ruled out.

One way to lessen radon is to move the experiment outside, or to an area of 
lower radon emission (assuming it is high at Jeff’s location).