Re: [Vo]:LENR's past helping its radical renewal
On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 12:57 PM, Axil Axil wrote: We know that the ERV test director is a person with long years of > experience in the nuclear industry. > Do you have a link to more information about this? Eric
Re: [Vo]:LENR's past helping its radical renewal
I wrote: > If there is radiation obviously it will need many more years to establish > the exact nature of the radiation, to develop a theory, and to have the > theory checked and accepted by the majority of physicists so that we can be > sure the radiation is controlled or fully prevented in a commercial device. > Rossi cannot do this himself. He is not a physicist. Even if he has physicists on his staff and they have been working with the machine for a year, they cannot accomplish this working in isolation. Assuming there is significant radiation -- Hundreds of physicists will need to install devices and look at the radiation. They will need to develop theories, and then reach a consensus that the theories are right. Then engineers will develop proven methods of controlling or fully preventing the radiation. The ASME will issue standards describing how to implement these methods. There will be monitoring instruments and tests to ensure the reactors are safe, similar to the tests and carbon monoxide detectors we use to ensure that combustion space heating furnaces in houses are safe. This will take several years and it will cost hundreds of millions of dollars. However, once this job is done, and cold fusion reactors are widely sold commercially, it will save hundreds of millions of dollars every hour. So the cost of doing this is utterly trivial compared to the benefits of cold fusion. It will not matter. It is nothing to be concerned about at this stage. I do not see why Rossi or Industrial Heat would worry about any of this. Naturally they must acknowledge it, and deal with it. There is no way to hide it! This is like acknowledging that gasoline powered automobiles sometimes burn and explode. That does not mean we cannot have gasoline automobiles. It means we have to take steps to minimize the risk. If the reactors produce radioactivity, that will slow down commercialization but I do not think it will prevent it. It will add to the cost of research and development, but only by a tiny amount of money: perhaps a dollar to the cost of each reactor sold in the first 10 years of cold fusion. After 100 years it will be a tiny fraction of a penny. I do not understand why any of this would "put Rossi in a very difficult spot with NRC and FDA regulation and licensing . . ." There is no reason why his situation would be any more difficult than a company that makes x-ray machines, smoke detectors, or medical instruments that use radioisotopes. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:LENR's past helping its radical renewal
Axil Axil wrote: Rossi knows that his reactor can produce radiation. He has taken steps to > reduce of eliminate that radiation. > Yes. I know. Assuming he is right about that, then what you said previously makes no sense. You said: "Rossi would have no way to predict that his technology is radiation free." Now you say he *does* know! He is sure it can produce radiation. Which is it? I do not understand what point you are trying to make here. You wrote: "If any radiation is seen coming out of the X-Cat, that would put Rossi in a very difficult spot with NRC and FDA regulation and licensing . . ." Yes. And if there has been any significant radiation, he will know that! He must have a detector. I do not understand how he could be in doubt, not knowing one way or the other. > Your the person who said that Rossi's reactor needed to be tested for > years to see if it produced radiation. > Yes, and now it has been tested for a year. That should be long enough to establish a pretty good first approximation answer. If there is radiation obviously it will need many more years to establish the exact nature of the radiation, to develop a theory, and to have the theory checked and accepted by the majority of physicists so that we can be sure the radiation is controlled or fully prevented in a commercial device. Obviously he cannot sell the thing commercially if it produces more radiation than, say, a smoke detector. The public will not allow that, nor should it. My point is that he knows the answer by now. It is not a surprise for him. It cannot be that he does not know the outcome of the test. > The FDA has product rules for radiation production produced over a time > period. If that limit is exceeded, licensing is required. > I have not heard of these rules, but I am not be surprised to hear there are such rules. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:LENR's past helping its radical renewal
Rossi knows that his reactor can produce radiation. He has taken steps to reduce of eliminate that radiation. Your the person who said that Rossi's reactor needed to be tested for years to see if it produced radiation. The FDA has product rules for radiation production produced over a time period. If that limit is exceeded, licensing is required. see http://www.fda.gov/Radiation-EmittingProducts/ElectronicProductRadiationControlProgram/LawsandRegulations/ucm118156.htm On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Axil Axil wrote: > > Rossi would have no way to predict that his technology is radiation free. >> This is his reason for the F9 response in terms of the ERV test. If any >> radiation is seen coming out of the X-Cat, that would put Rossi in a very >> difficult spot with NRC and FDA regulation and licensing >> > > What you say makes no sense to me. If the device is producing radiation, > surely Rossi knows this. He must have radiation detectors. He must know > what the pass or fail criteria are for the test. That is to say, how much > radiation would be acceptable. So he knows whether it passed or not. > > No one does a test of this nature without first establishing what is being > tested and how it is measured. > > - Jed > >
Re: [Vo]:LENR's past helping its radical renewal
Axil Axil wrote: Rossi would have no way to predict that his technology is radiation free. > This is his reason for the F9 response in terms of the ERV test. If any > radiation is seen coming out of the X-Cat, that would put Rossi in a very > difficult spot with NRC and FDA regulation and licensing > What you say makes no sense to me. If the device is producing radiation, surely Rossi knows this. He must have radiation detectors. He must know what the pass or fail criteria are for the test. That is to say, how much radiation would be acceptable. So he knows whether it passed or not. No one does a test of this nature without first establishing what is being tested and how it is measured. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:LENR's past helping its radical renewal
It seems to me if the measure of success is the production of excess heat that Rossi would surly know how the ERV yearlong test went. But the criteria for successfully passing the 1 year test may not be COP but the production of ionizing radiation or the lack of it. Rossi has spent many years in beating back the occasional bursts of ionizing radiation from his various E-Cat prototypes; control and radiation where his concerns. We know that the ERV test director is a person with long years of experience in the nuclear industry. He may have set up radiation detectors all throughout the shipping container to check for any appearance of a radiation burst. Rossi would have no way to predict that his technology is radiation free. This is his reason for the F9 response in terms of the ERV test. If any radiation is seen coming out of the X-Cat, that would put Rossi in a very difficult spot with NRC and FDA regulation and licensing On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Peter Gluck wrote: > > http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/03/mar-27-2016-lenrs-past-can-help-its.html > > It was not easy but I succeed to get info and to compose a blog issue > today too. > all the best to you, friends! > > Peter > -- > Dr. Peter Gluck > Cluj, Romania > http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com >
