Re: [Vo]:Lalik's bombshell on hydrogen-palladium
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Tue, 30 Jun 2015 08:23:46 -0700: Hi, [snip] Robin did not mention it, but apparently he had this exchange with Lalik three years ago https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SocietyforClassicalPhysics/conversations /topics/1172 I had completely forgotten about it. I was simply pointing out that while he took into account the energy required to break the molecule upon entry to the lattice, he was neglecting the energy one got back due to molecule formation when it left the lattice. (I haven't read his most recent paper closely enough to know whether or not he is still doing that.) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
RE: [Vo]:Lalik's bombshell on hydrogen-palladium
Robin did not mention it, but apparently he had this exchange with Lalik three years ago https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SocietyforClassicalPhysics/conversations /topics/1172 Which means that Lalik was way ahead of things back then. Too bad that he has not been taken more seriously. BTW the reference for the Lalik paper is: Oscillatory behavior and anomalous heat evolution in recombination of H2 and O2 on Pd-based catalysts http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acs.iecr.5b00686 From: Jones Beene This paper is extraordinary. Yet it is receiving almost no attention. It could be the most important paper since 1989, not just for the fringe but for all of physics. The author appears young, but has an excellent CV. He has been a specialist in calorimetry for decades. https://pl.linkedin.com/pub/erwin-lalik/26/979/774 https://pl.linkedin.com/pub/erwin-lalik/26/979/774 Has the mainstream already stepped in to effectively silence this guy?
Re: [Vo]:Lalik's bombshell on hydrogen-palladium
Dear Jones, I agree with you that this is a paper of crucial importance . And it is ignored totally by those colleagues of our community who still are convinced that the PdD ssytem is the key of understanding all LENRs including those potentially useful. May I ask to write a guest editorial for Ego Out showing how you understand interpret its essence. Thank you in advance. Peter The Motto of the respective issue of Ego Out will be probably: *You can ignore reality, but you can’t ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.” (Ayn Rand)* On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 6:23 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Robin did not mention it, but apparently he had this exchange with Lalik three years ago https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SocietyforClassicalPhysics/conversations/topics/1172 Which means that Lalik was way ahead of things back then. Too bad that he has not been taken more seriously. BTW the reference for the Lalik paper is: “Oscillatory behavior and anomalous heat evolution in recombination of H2 and O2 on Pd-based catalysts” http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acs.iecr.5b00686 *From:* Jones Beene This paper is extraordinary. Yet it is receiving almost no attention. It could be the most important paper since 1989, not just for the fringe but for all of physics. The author appears young, but has an excellent CV. He has been a specialist in calorimetry for decades. https://pl.linkedin.com/pub/erwin-lalik/26/979/774 Has the mainstream already stepped in to effectively silence this guy? -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Lalik's bombshell on hydrogen-palladium
Lalik's bombshell on hydrogen-palladiumJones-- Were you able to get the full article free? If so, how? It sure seems like it may be a reversible proton reaction, RPR, as you suggest with a small loss of proton mass—it may be spin energy mass that is being transferred to the electronic structure with the protons gradually “evaporating” mass until they jump to a muon or a bunch of leptons—electrons and positrons. I wonder if there were ,51 MEV gammas osillations observed? Bob From: Jones Beene Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 8:08 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Lalik's bombshell on hydrogen-palladium This paper is extraordinary. Yet it is receiving almost no attention. It could be the most important paper since 1989, not just for the fringe but for all of physics. The author appears young, but has an excellent CV. He has been a specialist in calorimetry for decades. https://pl.linkedin.com/pub/erwin-lalik/26/979/774 Has the mainstream already stepped in to effectively silence this guy?
RE: [Vo]:Lalik's bombshell on hydrogen-palladium
Peter, I may not have time to do justice to this topic before next week, but let me throw out another deep connection to the Lalik paper – which may come as a surprise. One of the most intuitive minds in the field has advised me to pursue the work of El Naschie for understanding the universal importance of these oscillations. Since I do not know much about Cantorian space-time, Nonlinear Dynamics, Fractal Einstein Gravity, Phi, etc – it may take a few years of intense study to overcome this deficiency … J From: Peter Gluck Dear Jones, I agree with you that this is a paper of crucial importance . And it is ignored totally by those colleagues of our community who still are convinced that the PdD ssytem is the key of understanding all LENRs including those potentially useful. May I ask to write a guest editorial for Ego Out showing how you understand interpret its essence. Thank you in advance. Peter The Motto of the respective issue of Ego Out will be probably: You can ignore reality, but you can’t ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.” (Ayn Rand) Jones Beene wrote: Robin did not mention it, but apparently he had this exchange with Lalik three years ago https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SocietyforClassicalPhysics/conversations/topics/1172 Which means that Lalik was way ahead of things back then. Too bad that he has not been taken more seriously. BTW the reference for the Lalik paper is: “Oscillatory behavior and anomalous heat evolution in recombination of H2 and O2 on Pd-based catalysts” http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acs.iecr.5b00686 From: Jones Beene This paper is extraordinary. Yet it is receiving almost no attention. It could be the most important paper since 1989, not just for the fringe but for all of physics. The author appears young, but has an excellent CV. He has been a specialist in calorimetry for decades. https://pl.linkedin.com/pub/erwin-lalik/26/979/774 https://pl.linkedin.com/pub/erwin-lalik/26/979/774 Has the mainstream already stepped in to effectively silence this guy? -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
RE: [Vo]:Lalik's bombshell on hydrogen-palladium
From: Peter Gluck Ø And it is ignored totally by those colleagues of our community who still are convinced that the PdD ssytem is the key of understanding all LENRs including those potentially useful. One point that cannot be overlooked is that in the Lalik paper, when considered in the context of cold fusion, has this major significant difference: the locus of gain shifts away from the cathode to the recombiner. This begs the question of whether both locations can utilized for gain, and presents the obvious inference that there are two distinct forms of gain in normal Pd-D. SIDE NOTE. It is also very evident that “nano” has been overlooked in the older Pd-D systems going back to PF, whereas the recombiner fully implements nano on a ceramic support (see the specs for the commercial devices). This is very reminiscent of Arata-Zhang, Ahern, Takahashi which fully implement nano and see gain which can be explained simply as free catalytic action on the H2 molecule followed by recombination. The authors allude to a partial explanation – which is both obvious and confusing. When you look at burning hydrogen in oxygen – the reaction is actually fairly complex and will only net about 2.3-2.6 eV in mass-energy. This is mainly because the two gases are already combined into stable molecules which must first be dealt with using up most of what could have been over 10 eV had they been monatomic at the start. Using a catalyst to split H2 into monatomic species is not supposed to be gainful in itself. In fact catalysis is often mentioned as the prime example of how the 2nd LoT operates. Yet, it turns out that the entirety of the energy gain which is seen in this work can be explained by a catalyst which indeed splits H2 at no net energy cost, prior to combustion – so that the gain is all due to monatomic hydrogen reactions, which will return about 7 eV or more – which is the COP of nearly 3. This is not a coincidence. In short – all of the net gain in can be accounted for IF catalysis of hydrogen can be accomplished with little or no energy expenditure – which is deeply disturbing to the mainstream of physics – perhaps even more so than cold fusion itself.
