Re: [Vo]:Tri Alpha Energy web site
Jones Beenewrote: > Lennart- simply because a large amount of energy ia applied to the fuel at > the start to achieve “ignition.” Yes, it is true that some devices which > are labeled as LENR also require plasmas which are relatively hot – at > least they cannot really be called “cold” (as opposed to small scale). > Mizuno’s glow discharge would be an example. > I agree. Perhaps as we learn more, this will turn out to be a false distinction, or an arbitrary dividing line. But based on current knowledge, I think there are fundamental differences between something like the Tri Alpha Device and LENR, and Beene has described the most important difference. This is not LENR, although it may be valuable. Still . . . I would hate to see any kind of plasma fusion succeed now if it meant the end of cold fusion. No matter how safe or useful the plasma fusion reactor may be, I expect it will still be expensive. I think cold fusion has many intrinsic advantages, so it would be a shame to abandon it. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To change the subject, here is something I have been thinking about for some time. "It would be a shame to abandon it." You can say the same about solar energy. (Or wind, gas or coal I suppose.) If cold fusion starts to succeed, people who have devoted years of effort to solar will surely feel regret. They will say: "Let's hang on to this! There might still be a niche market for solar!" No, sorry, probably not. Those people will resemble sailing ship captains in the late 19th century, who saw the end of their era approaching. They understood, of course, that steamships were much better in many ways. But naturally they still had regrets, and a feeling of nostalgia. Around 1935 when my father was in the merchant marine on a freighter in the Atlantic out of New York, they came upon a full rigged sailing ship, probably one of the last. The captain of the steamship hailed the sailing ship, and then slowed down and down, and steered a course slowly around it, twice. Then he finally pulled out and headed to the destination. A romantic gesture. My father said the captain seemed sad, and lost in memories of his youth. I suppose he was in his 50s and remembered the late 19th century when the harbors at New York still had many sailing ships. See: http://www.shorpy.com/files/images/SHORPY_4a09256a.preview.jpg (I expect these had steel hulls and auxiliary engines. They were still in use because it was cheaper -- you did not need coal.) People usually invest a measure of emotion and love in their jobs and in the tools they use. You can't help it. I recall a bumper sticker on a big truck on the highway, "A man and his truck -- it's a beautiful thing." - Jed
RE: [Vo]:Tri Alpha Energy web site
From: Lennart Thornros Jones, Why is disqualified as LENR/CF? Lennart- simply because a large amount of energy ia applied to the fuel at the start to achieve “ignition.” Yes, it is true that some devices which are labeled as LENR also require plasmas which are relatively hot – at least they cannot really be called “cold” (as opposed to small scale). Mizuno’s glow discharge would be an example. However, the scale and cost of LENR devices can invariably be reduced significantly. That seems to be the distinction. For LENR, we are usually talking about a reactor which can involve high temperature (as in a laser pulse) but small size and low cost. In the case of Tri-Alpha, the large device you see in the video will need to be scaled up considerably for breakeven, and will likely cost hundreds of millions of dollars.
Re: [Vo]:Tri Alpha Energy web site
Thank You Jones and Ed. On this other note; Sailboats beats stinkers any day:) Best Regards , Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM) On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Jed Rothwellwrote: > Jones Beene wrote: > > >> Lennart- simply because a large amount of energy ia applied to the fuel >> at the start to achieve “ignition.” Yes, it is true that some devices which >> are labeled as LENR also require plasmas which are relatively hot – at >> least they cannot really be called “cold” (as opposed to small scale). >> Mizuno’s glow discharge would be an example. >> > > I agree. > > Perhaps as we learn more, this will turn out to be a false distinction, or > an arbitrary dividing line. But based on current knowledge, I think there > are fundamental differences between something like the Tri Alpha Device and > LENR, and Beene has described the most important difference. > > This is not LENR, although it may be valuable. Still . . . I would hate to > see any kind of plasma fusion succeed now if it meant the end of cold > fusion. No matter how safe or useful the plasma fusion reactor may be, I > expect it will still be expensive. I think cold fusion has many intrinsic > advantages, so it would be a shame to abandon it. > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > To change the subject, here is something I have been thinking about for > some time. > > "It would be a shame to abandon it." You can say the same about solar > energy. (Or wind, gas or coal I suppose.) If cold fusion starts to succeed, > people who have devoted years of effort to solar will surely feel regret. > They will say: "Let's hang on to this! There might still be a niche market > for solar!" No, sorry, probably not. > > Those people will resemble sailing ship captains in the late 19th century, > who saw the end of their era approaching. They understood, of course, that > steamships were much better in many ways. But naturally they still had > regrets, and a feeling of nostalgia. Around 1935 when my father was in the > merchant marine on a freighter in the Atlantic out of New York, they came > upon a full rigged sailing ship, probably one of the last. The captain of > the steamship hailed the sailing ship, and then slowed down and down, and > steered a course slowly around it, twice. Then he finally pulled out and > headed to the destination. A romantic gesture. My father said the captain > seemed sad, and lost in memories of his youth. I suppose he was in his 50s > and remembered the late 19th century when the harbors at New York still had > many sailing ships. See: > > http://www.shorpy.com/files/images/SHORPY_4a09256a.preview.jpg > > (I expect these had steel hulls and auxiliary engines. They were still in > use because it was cheaper -- you did not need coal.) > > People usually invest a measure of emotion and love in their jobs and in > the tools they use. You can't help it. I recall a bumper sticker on a big > truck on the highway, "A man and his truck -- it's a beautiful thing." > > - Jed > >
Re: [Vo]:Tri Alpha Energy web site
At $2,000 per liter, He3 is presently in high demand. Maybe this is why Russia is looking at a permanent base on the moon?
Re: [Vo]:Tri Alpha Energy web site
Jones, Why is disqualified as LENR/CF? Best Regards , Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM) On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Jones Beenewrote: > -Original Message- > From: a.ashfield > > Tri Alpha Energy now has a web site. > > http://www.trialphaenergy.com/ > > > Slick. No, beyond slick. But this is not LENR, and only differs from hot > magnetic containment fusion in the simplicity of the system, and of course > the aneutronic fuel. > > The promo video looks almost "too perfect" to be real ... as if it was it > produced by Hollywood for an upcoming film using actors instead of > scientists. This is suspicious but if it has not been staged (such as: for > use as a prelude to an IPO) then it could be a game changer. Certainly a > ton of money has been poured into the hardware. > > As for the science- the claim is to fuse boron with protons in plasma > phase. Usually this requires lasers, but this is different. If true, it > would be an ideal solution, since boron-11 is the most promising form of > aneutronic fusion... if indeed they can completely avoid neutrons. The > video shows techies working inside the reactor, so (assuming this has not > been staged by Hollywood) there is indeed no neutron activation. > > Yet - how far are they from breakeven? That detail seems to have been > carefully avoided. > > > >
RE: [Vo]:Tri Alpha Energy web site
-Original Message- From: a.ashfield Tri Alpha Energy now has a web site. http://www.trialphaenergy.com/ Slick. No, beyond slick. But this is not LENR, and only differs from hot magnetic containment fusion in the simplicity of the system, and of course the aneutronic fuel. The promo video looks almost "too perfect" to be real ... as if it was it produced by Hollywood for an upcoming film using actors instead of scientists. This is suspicious but if it has not been staged (such as: for use as a prelude to an IPO) then it could be a game changer. Certainly a ton of money has been poured into the hardware. As for the science- the claim is to fuse boron with protons in plasma phase. Usually this requires lasers, but this is different. If true, it would be an ideal solution, since boron-11 is the most promising form of aneutronic fusion... if indeed they can completely avoid neutrons. The video shows techies working inside the reactor, so (assuming this has not been staged by Hollywood) there is indeed no neutron activation. Yet - how far are they from breakeven? That detail seems to have been carefully avoided.