Re: [Vo]:ZPE as the superset of Dark Energy
:o) Harry On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 10:58 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > Frigorific ! > > > H LV wrote: > >> Count Rumford vindicated? >> >> Harry >> > > > If nature has provided us with a bottomless heat sink, or free-cold so to >> speak, then a lot of time has been wasted by inventors looking for >> free-heat. >> > > >
Re: [Vo]:ZPE as the superset of Dark Energy
Frigorific ! H LV wrote: Count Rumford vindicated? Harry If nature has provided us with a bottomless heat sink, or free-cold so to speak, then a lot of time has been wasted by inventors looking for free-heat.
Re: [Vo]:ZPE as the superset of Dark Energy
Count Rumford vindicated? Harry On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 2:14 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > Terry Blanton wrote: > > > Jones Beene wrote: >> >> "Self cooling" is an interesting proposition. It may not be as exciting >> as excess heating, but many new uses would be expected to materialize if it >> can be engineered efficiently. There is a certain kind of semantic >> compatibility between "self-cooling" and Dirac's "sea of negative energy" >> which could be no accident. >> > > You're threatening Feynman's Nobel. 🤓 > > > Well, there's a twist here, since Feynman thought the "Principle of Least > Action" was fundamental and in fact wrote his PhD thesis on the subject. > That Principle can be interpreted as supporting a general concept of "deep > cooling" in the Dirac perspective of the vacuum being an infinite sea of > accessible negative energy. The key word being "accessible." > > If nature has provided us with a bottomless heat sink, or free-cold so to > speak, then a lot of time has been wasted by inventors looking for > free-heat. At the other end of the spectrum, Doppler cooling and laser > cooling point to the emerging possibility that a heat sink can be active, > allowing energy to be extracted from "cold"... or at least from ambient. > >
Re: [Vo]:ZPE as the superset of Dark Energy
Terry Blanton wrote: Jones Beenewrote: "Self cooling" is an interesting proposition. It may not be as exciting as excess heating, but many new uses would be expected to materialize if it can be engineered efficiently. There is a certain kind of semantic compatibility between "self-cooling" and Dirac's "sea of negative energy" which could be no accident. You're threatening Feynman's Nobel. 🤓 Well, there's a twist here, since Feynman thought the "Principle of Least Action" was fundamental and in fact wrote his PhD thesis on the subject. That Principle can be interpreted as supporting a general concept of "deep cooling" in the Dirac perspective of the vacuum being an infinite sea of accessible negative energy. The key word being "accessible." If nature has provided us with a bottomless heat sink, or free-cold so to speak, then a lot of time has been wasted by inventors looking for free-heat. At the other end of the spectrum, Doppler cooling and laser cooling point to the emerging possibility that a heat sink can be active, allowing energy to be extracted from "cold"... or at least from ambient.
Re: [Vo]:ZPE as the superset of Dark Energy
On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > > "Self cooling" is an interesting proposition. It may not be as exciting as > excess heating, but many new uses would be expected to materialize if it > can be engineered efficiently. There is a certain kind of semantic > compatibility between "self-cooling" and Dirac's "sea of negative energy" > which could be no accident. > You're threatening Feynman's Nobel. 🤓
Re: [Vo]:ZPE as the superset of Dark Energy
The first observation of the Dynamical Casimir Effect (DCE) occurred in Sweden 6 years ago (arxiv.org/abs/1105.4714). It was a complicated experiment, but one which could lead to a simpler way to see vacuum energy results which are more even convincing. This assumes that ZPE conforms to a recent hypothesis. In a provocative paper (arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0605418) Beck and Mackey propose that photons of vacuum energy couple to matter only at a very low energy, the highest value particle, presumably a photon having a frequency of 1.7 THz (which has the low mass-energy of .007 eV) and a equivalent temperature near that of liquid air. “One of the most surprising predictions of modern quantum theory is that the vacuum of space is not empty. In fact, quantum theory predicts that it teems with virtual particles flitting in and out of existence.” It has been known since 1948 that if two flat mirrors are held close together and parallel, they will be pushed together by virtual particles. That is one way to convert virtual to real, but there could be others which do not require the very tight Casimir geometry (few nm) and operate on a different principle. If the gap between the mirrors is smaller than the wavelength of the virtual particles, they are excluded from this space. The vacuum pressure inside the gap is then less than outside it and this forces the mirrors. Alternatively, if the gap is exactly the wavelength of the target particle and the mirrors are highly reflective, the stage is set for virtual coherent photons to oscillate in the gap, condense and become real. This could happen within a curved gap as well as a flat gap so long as the gap is transparent to the desired photons. The following is a second effort to propose a simple simple experiment which can include a superconductive reflective film, which may be necessary to cohere ZPE. A lamination of three basic layers is required, one transparent and two reflective. A transparent film of the required geometry (~.175 mm or 7 mil) is used in automobile safety glass lamination. This is typically 7 mil Polyester Film (Mylar). The most energetic ZPE particle which we can expect under the operating premise should resonate in a Mylar film of this thickness so long a mirrored reflectance is provided on both sides. A large surface area can be rolled into a cylinder which will have several million square centimeters. If ZPE photons at low energy are reflected efficiently by a mirrored metal, a Mylar film roll of several hundred layers which has been rewound and interleaved with layers of mirrored aluminum foil could serve as a "breeding ground" for converting virtual photons to real. There is a close analogy to the "population inversion" of lasing, and coherence could be self-reinforcing in such an arrangement. The foil would tend to internally reflect photons of an exact wavelength due to geometric resonance at the spacing of the gap. If virtual photons are present, we could see super-radiance developing, leading to coherence and a resulting physical anomaly. I think there is a decent chance to see an anomaly in this type of setup but it should work better if we could replace the mirrored aluminum with a superconductor. There is hope for such a material to emerge from labs soon, due to the interest in graphene - a film which can be both reflective and superconductive: http://www.azonano.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=4497 I would actually expect the temperature of the layered "jelly roll" described above to drop, rather than rise, since the energy of the favored photon in this case is far less than ambient. In fact, the roll could cool all the way to around 70K if a reflective superconductor can be found. That would be with zero power input. "Self cooling" is an interesting proposition. It may not be as exciting as excess heating, but many new uses would be expected to materialize if it can be engineered efficiently. There is a certain kind of semantic compatibility between "self-cooling" and Dirac's "sea of negative energy" which could be no accident.
RE: [Vo]:ZPE as the superset of Dark Energy
Jones- Nearing 80 I don’t do experiments any more. However, your proposal sounds interesting. A sandwich of a semi- conductor and mylar or any transparent material may provide interesting creation of extra photons from the ZPE space or whatever that space is called. Just coordinate the wave length in the film of integral unit wave length thickness with the energy/frequency of the electrons in the conduction band of the semi-conductor. Extra photons would mean a free energy source and no high energy problems. Bob Cook PS: I had retinal vascular eye hemorrhage in December after a routine dilation procedure using muscle relaxant and decongestant tropicamide and phenylephrine. Old age leads to lots of problems, including weak blood vessels, white coat hypertension, intentional blood thinning and risk of excessive bleeding, macular degeneration—dry and wet, high intraocular hydraulic pressure, etc. Considering all this I am on a kick to support development of analytical computer model of a human eyeball with individual unique changing parameters—inter ocular pressure, blood pressure, cordial and retinal vascular dimensional and stress/strain response characteristics (available with state-of-the-art ocular angiography) retinal membrane stiffness and other mechanical properties, normal blood pressure etc. The objective is to understand the real time and accumulated ocular conditions that cause glaucoma, wet age related macular degeneration and other eye problems. The program would/will make use of AI to correlate medicines and other parameters that could affect normal cell repair mechanisms, for example optic nerve sheath deterioration and repair associated with glaucoma.(I think that wear and tear on the retinal structure and the optic nerve due to dimensional changes in the eyeball may be correlated with problems, depending upon lifestyle—reading, alcohol consumption, chronic drug usage—statins, for example, vitamin and food supplements, diet, etc. Many over 50 may benefit in the long run to preserve their eyesight. I am focusing on a brain physiologist and a graduate program at a University in Portland at the moment to perform the programing I have suggested above. FRC
Re: [Vo]:ZPE as the superset of Dark Energy
Bob, Here is a simple but meaningful experiment you may want to try. A quick search for a common product in this geometry (~.175 mm or 7 mil) turns up the film used in automobile safety glass lamination. This is typically 7 mil Polyester Film (Mylar). This film is transparent and not expensive. However, as you suggest, the strongest ZPE photon could have a different wavelength when propagating in such a film and a different thickness would be better. A proper combination of features would lend itself to a simple experiment which would indicate whether or not virtual photons from ZPE can form. It would depend on whether or not virtual ZPE photons are reflected efficiently by a mirrored metal. The DCE effect has shown that this is possible. Start with a Mylar film roll of several hundred layers which has been rewound and interleaved with alternating layers of mirrored aluminum foil. The foil would tend to internally reflect photons of that wavelength preferentially due to geometric resonance at its wavelength. If virtual photons are present, we could see semi-coherence and a resulting physical anomaly. I think there is a decent chance to see an anomaly. If the temperature of the roll went up or down by even a single degree, compared to ambient, this would indicate some conversion of virtual photons to real. I would actually expect the temperature of the layered roll to drop slightly, rather than rise, since the energy of the favored photon in this case is less than ambient. One problem is determining a proper baseline for ambient. bobcook39...@hotmail.com wrote: Jones – Interesting item and related comments. Additional comments: 1. The wave length of E-M radiation in the solid state is not the same as in a vacuum. 2. The CalPhysics item does not address the energy and angular momentum associated with nuclear entities, atomic entities and photons, nor how the uncertainty principle of Planck applies to the transition of spin angular momentum in integral units of h/2pie in any system. Their discussion carefully avoids spin energy and related angular momentum. There may be no quantum fuzziness associated with spin. angular momentum and related energy. Addressing these questions may provide understanding why LENR does not entail radiation associated with high energy particles and annihilation reactions. *Subject: *Re: [Vo]:ZPE as the superset of Dark Energy A practical detail... assuming that the 1.7 THz phase transition is the peak energy of ZPE photons which can interact in a mechanical conversion system in order to harness dark energy (which is one possible interpretation of the CalPhysics info)... 1.7 terahertz = 176.3 wavelength in micrometers The practical question becomes - is there a way to utilize this dimension as in an LENR experiment, so that part of the gain (or all of the gain) can derive from dark energy? This is obviously a geometry which much larger than nanometer, for instance. But these days, everyone wants to focus on nanometer. That could be a mistake. Obviously, a photon in the Casimir geometry (2-20 nm) corresponds to EUV wavelengths ... and this size discrepancy may explain why the Jovion patent discussed in the reference below does not work. There is no coupling. That patent is premised on what they are calling the "Casimir-Lamb Shift" which indicates that certain electron orbitals in atoms are lower in energy inside a Casimir cavity than outside. Perhaps the widespread emphasis on "nano" has been misplaced and we should be thinking about how to implement reactants in a comparatively huge geometry, which is slightly below the one millimeter scale. However, it could also be the case that one needs both scales in the same experiment. That would be new territory to explore. From the CalPhysics site... (paraphrased and annotated to make a point) A major discovery in astrophysics in the late 1990s was the finding from supernovae redshift-luminosity observations that the expansion of the universe is accelerating. This led to the concept of dark energy, which has been labeled as a resurrection of Einstein's cosmological constant. The universe now appears to consist of about 70 percent dark energy, 25 percent dark matter and five percent ordinary matter. Zero-point energy can be defined as having the apparent desired property of driving an accelerated expansion, and thus having the requisite properties of dark energy, but to an absurdly greater degree than is required but recent work by Christian Beck and Michael Mackey may have resolved the disparity. If their work is accurate, then dark energy is basically nothing other than ZPE or a superset/subset. They propose that a phase transition occurs such that zero-point photons below a frequency of about 1.7 THz are gravitationally
RE: [Vo]:ZPE as the superset of Dark Energy
Jones – Interesting item and related comments. Additional comments: 1. The wave length of E-M radiation in the solid state is not the same as in a vacuum. 2. The CalPhysics item does not address the energy and angular momentum associated with nuclear entities, atomic entities and photons, nor how the uncertainty principle of Planck applies to the transition of spin angular momentum in integral units of h/2pie in any system. Their discussion carefully avoids spin energy and related angular momentum. There may be no quantum fuzziness associated with spin. angular momentum and related energy. Addressing these questions may provide understanding why LENR does not entail radiation associated with high energy particles and annihilation reactions. Bob Cook From: Jones Beene<mailto:jone...@pacbell.net> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 8:11 AM To: Vortex List<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:ZPE as the superset of Dark Energy A practical detail... assuming that the 1.7 THz phase transition is the peak energy of ZPE photons which can interact in a mechanical conversion system in order to harness dark energy (which is one possible interpretation of the CalPhysics info)... 1.7 terahertz = 176.3 wavelength in micrometers The practical question becomes - is there a way to utilize this dimension as in an LENR experiment, so that part of the gain (or all of the gain) can derive from dark energy? This is obviously a geometry which much larger than nanometer, for instance. But these days, everyone wants to focus on nanometer. That could be a mistake. Obviously, a photon in the Casimir geometry (2-20 nm) corresponds to EUV wavelengths ... and this size discrepancy may explain why the Jovion patent discussed in the reference below does not work. There is no coupling. That patent is premised on what they are calling the "Casimir-Lamb Shift" which indicates that certain electron orbitals in atoms are lower in energy inside a Casimir cavity than outside. Perhaps the widespread emphasis on "nano" has been misplaced and we should be thinking about how to implement reactants in a comparatively huge geometry, which is slightly below the one millimeter scale. However, it could also be the case that one needs both scales in the same experiment. That would be new territory to explore. >From the CalPhysics site... (paraphrased and annotated to make a point) A major discovery in astrophysics in the late 1990s was the finding from supernovae redshift-luminosity observations that the expansion of the universe is accelerating. This led to the concept of dark energy, which has been labeled as a resurrection of Einstein's cosmological constant. The universe now appears to consist of about 70 percent dark energy, 25 percent dark matter and five percent ordinary matter. Zero-point energy can be defined as having the apparent desired property of driving an accelerated expansion, and thus having the requisite properties of dark energy, but to an absurdly greater degree than is required but recent work by Christian Beck and Michael Mackey may have resolved the disparity. If their work is accurate, then dark energy is basically nothing other than ZPE or a superset/subset. They propose that a phase transition occurs such that zero-point photons below a frequency of about 1.7 THz are gravitationally active whereas above that they are not. If true, the dark energy problem is solved: dark energy is the low frequency gravitationally active component of zero-point energy. The 1.7 THz phase transition value is an important marker and consistent with measurable QED effects such as the Casimir effect, the Lamb shift, etc. The proposed phase transition value should be testable in the near future. It is in range which comes up in the studies of SPP (surface plasmons). NASA has done recent R&D work using terahertz radiation in a slightly higher THz range on a nickel lattice loaded with hydrogen, in order to induce LENR. Perhaps NASA should have aimed lower and/or perhaps Holmlid will find access to the new THz lasers which are coming out in this exact range (which seems to be favored in terms of efficiency). From: http://www.calphysics.org/zpe.html with comments added
Re: [Vo]:ZPE as the superset of Dark Energy
A practical detail... assuming that the 1.7 THz phase transition is the peak energy of ZPE photons which can interact in a mechanical conversion system in order to harness dark energy (which is one possible interpretation of the CalPhysics info)... 1.7 terahertz = 176.3 wavelength in micrometers The practical question becomes - is there a way to utilize this dimension as in an LENR experiment, so that part of the gain (or all of the gain) can derive from dark energy? This is obviously a geometry which much larger than nanometer, for instance. But these days, everyone wants to focus on nanometer. That could be a mistake. Obviously, a photon in the Casimir geometry (2-20 nm) corresponds to EUV wavelengths ... and this size discrepancy may explain why the Jovion patent discussed in the reference below does not work. There is no coupling. That patent is premised on what they are calling the "Casimir-Lamb Shift" which indicates that certain electron orbitals in atoms are lower in energy inside a Casimir cavity than outside. Perhaps the widespread emphasis on "nano" has been misplaced and we should be thinking about how to implement reactants in a comparatively huge geometry, which is slightly below the one millimeter scale. However, it could also be the case that one needs both scales in the same experiment. That would be new territory to explore. From the CalPhysics site... (paraphrased and annotated to make a point) A major discovery in astrophysics in the late 1990s was the finding from supernovae redshift-luminosity observations that the expansion of the universe is accelerating. This led to the concept of dark energy, which has been labeled as a resurrection of Einstein's cosmological constant. The universe now appears to consist of about 70 percent dark energy, 25 percent dark matter and five percent ordinary matter. Zero-point energy can be defined as having the apparent desired property of driving an accelerated expansion, and thus having the requisite properties of dark energy, but to an absurdly greater degree than is required but recent work by Christian Beck and Michael Mackey may have resolved the disparity. If their work is accurate, then dark energy is basically nothing other than ZPE or a superset/subset. They propose that a phase transition occurs such that zero-point photons below a frequency of about 1.7 THz are gravitationally active whereas above that they are not. If true, the dark energy problem is solved: dark energy is the low frequency gravitationally active component of zero-point energy. The 1.7 THz phase transition value is an important marker and consistent with measurable QED effects such as the Casimir effect, the Lamb shift, etc. The proposed phase transition value should be testable in the near future. It is in range which comes up in the studies of SPP (surface plasmons). NASA has done recent R&D work using terahertz radiation in a slightly higher THz range on a nickel lattice loaded with hydrogen, in order to induce LENR. Perhaps NASA should have aimed lower and/or perhaps Holmlid will find access to the new THz lasers which are coming out in this exact range (which seems to be favored in terms of efficiency). From: http://www.calphysics.org/zpe.html with comments added
