RE: Cavitation neutrons-was; Blast from the past-
The internet gets drunk sometimes and forgets things, RC... Youds patents are in various specific countries, seemingly none in the US. NZ511385 Sonified vortex machine for communition and treatment of solids GB2354232 Cyclone apparatus for treating sewage GB2337514 Crystalline structure enhancer; calcining gypsum ZA9801137 Apparatus for processing a material and fan therefor Here's one app. WO0112332 METHODS AND APPARATUS FOR SEWAGE PROCESSING AND TREATMENT There's more stuff, but I've got to move on. This'll get you going anyway. K. -Original Message- From: RC Macaulay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:57 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Cavitation neutrons-was; Blast from the past- In reply to RC Macaulay's message of Tue, 17 May 2005 07:15:53 -0500: Hi, >Hi Robin, >The M.W.Youds website mentions patents for his device operating at 7225 RPM >to achieve the result he reported. He mentioned gamma radiation present so >we are careful. I found loads of stuff on his web page, but no patents. Could you supply the patent number? [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandon http://www.vortexi.com/ This is one link that mentions patents although I cannot fit what is what. More details on the device was posted some time back on www,fortunecity.com/greenfield/bp/16/youlds/htm but the Greenfield link has been cut. As is the case for so much posted on the net.. Richard
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In reply to RC Macaulay's message of Tue, 17 May 2005 07:15:53-0500:Hi,>Hi Robin,>The M.W.Youds website mentions patents for his device operating at 7225 RPM >to achieve the result he reported. He mentioned gamma radiation present so >we are careful.I found loads of stuff on his web page, but no patents. Could yousupply the patent number?[snip]Regards,Robin van Spaandon http://www.vortexi.com/ This is one link that mentions patents although I cannot fit what is what. More details on the device was posted some time back on www,fortunecity.com/greenfield/bp/16/youlds/htm but the Greenfield link has been cut. As is the case for so much posted on the net.. Richard <>
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In reply to RC Macaulay's message of Tue, 17 May 2005 07:15:53 -0500: Hi, >Hi Robin, >The M.W.Youds website mentions patents for his device operating at 7225 RPM >to achieve the result he reported. He mentioned gamma radiation present so >we are careful. I found loads of stuff on his web page, but no patents. Could you supply the patent number? [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk All SPAM goes in the trash unread.
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Hi Robin, The M.W.Youds website mentions patents for his device operating at 7225 RPM to achieve the result he reported. He mentioned gamma radiation present so we are careful. Our standard gas inductors run at 3450 RPM. We are working on a design for speeds to 10,500 RPM with VFD drive. Design problems with dynamic balancing , shaft bearing and mechanical seal cooling plague us. In the industrial world products must survive 50,000 hours. Richard - Original Message - From: "Robin van Spaandonk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 2:19 AM Subject: Re: Cavitation neutrons - was: Blast from the Past - In reply to RC Macaulay's message of Mon, 16 May 2005 21:45:43 -0500: Hi Richard, Why precisely 3450 RPM? [snip] Ron, The cavitation products made by Hydro dynamics Inc. apparently differ from the device used by Knuke. Dr. M.W Youds website has a vortex device that may be closer to what Knuke worked with. Youds speculated some " events' could occur that may be what happened to Knuke. We keep a gieger counter handy when testing water vortex research devices at rotational speed above 3450 RPM. Richard [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk All SPAM goes in the trash unread.
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In reply to RC Macaulay's message of Mon, 16 May 2005 21:45:43 -0500: Hi Richard, Why precisely 3450 RPM? [snip] >Ron, >The cavitation products made by Hydro dynamics Inc. apparently differ from the >device used by Knuke. Dr. M.W Youds website has a vortex device that may be >closer to what Knuke worked with. Youds speculated some " events' could occur >that may be what happened to Knuke. We keep a gieger counter handy when >testing water vortex research devices at rotational speed above 3450 RPM. > >Richard [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk All SPAM goes in the trash unread.
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At ICCF10, Dash and Chicea presented a possible answer to this anomaly in "Effects Of Hydrogen Loading By Aqueous Electrolysis On Radioactivity Of Uranium" when they reported that simple aqueous electrolytic co-deposition of hydrogen with uranium caused significant increased rates of radioactive decay of the uranium - no fusion or fission required - just increased decay. Now if simple loading **without any other power source** will increase the rate of decay, then the addition of the cavitation could possibly throw the system into a much more active regime. Had Knuke been using a steel chamber, rather than plexiglass, the energy of the x-rays would possibly not have caused his symptons, as these x-rays are generally not the higher energy variety seen in actual fission, and would have been largely shielded by steel. Knuke's experiment begs to be replicated in safe conditions, using a steel chamber with a port or thin window for monitoring radiation. Thorium, which can be obtained legally in many forms, should work just as well since we are dealing with enhanced decay, and not fissile reactions. There are actually quite a few reoprts on this anomaly in the literature with electrolysis, but of course the fear is that it could be done irresponsibly. - Original Message - From: RC Macaulay Ron, The cavitation products made by Hydro dynamics Inc. apparently differ from the device used by Knuke. Dr. M.W Youds website has a vortex device that may be closer to what Knuke worked with. Youds speculated some " events' could occur that may be what happened to Knuke. We keep a gieger counter handy when testing water vortex research devices at rotational speed above 3450 RPM. Richard - Original Message - From: Ron Wormus To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 4:52 PM Subject: Re: Cavitation neutrons - was: Blast from the Past - Well I can't answer either of your queries but heres a Co selling a commerical version of Knukes device. http://www.hydrodynamics.com/index.htm --On Monday, May 16, 2005 5:29 PM -0400 revtec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The silence is deafening. I have been waiting impatiently for Jones or someone to respond to these posts by Knuke and speculate on how a home brew cavitating turbine, spiked with mere traces of fissionable material, can within five seconds of operation deliver a near lethal dose of radiation! Dosn't this level of performance makes the Huffman machine the Mother of all LENR devices? Someone more skilled than I in the "art of duplicating" needs to check this out! Is the silence on the subject due to the fact that every Vortex member with facilities is doing just that? Jeff P.S. I at least thought someone might imply that the account was impossible and then back up their position with some "unasailable" theorizing. - Original Message - From: "Michael Huffman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 1:15 AM Subject: Re: Cavitation neutrons - was: Blast from the Past - Moin Jeff. The runaway events happened on the first model that I built. I did these runs in my kitchen less than a foot away from these radioactive tiles, but I had no clue that they were radioactive until later. While trying to get a subsequent model to do the runaway thing again, I came up with the crazy idea of lacing the water, thinking that it may have played a roll. I used the geiger counter quite a bit while wiping down the tiles, but didn't turn it on for the initial test run itself. I was in a hurry, and wanted to see what would happen. Now I know. This is all in the VG archives, if you want to download all of those huge files and run text searches. At Bill Beaty's website there used to be a photo of the first model, torn down, and sitting on my kitchen counter. One more word of warning though, if you go onto Bill Beaty's website, leave a trail of breadcrumbs or make bookmarks or something so that you don't get lost. Whenever I visit Bill's website, I always get lost for hours, if not days. It's pretty weird in there. Knuke Am Freitag, 13. Mai 2005 23:26 schrieb revtec: > - Original Message - > From: "Michael Huffman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 2:21 PM > Subject: Re: Cavitation neutrons - was: Blast from the Past - > > I reread your article in 1995 vol. 1 , no. 1of IE which > concluded > with your > impending success. What happened? Didn't your next model > work? I recall > knowing about your kitchen sheathed in yellow cake tiles, but > can't recall > if you told me that or if it was mentioned in a subsequent > article > that I > am yet to rediscover. The implication was that the runaway > operation was > possibly caused because the experiment was surrounded by > radioactiv
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Ron, The cavitation products made by Hydro dynamics Inc. apparently differ from the device used by Knuke. Dr. M.W Youds website has a vortex device that may be closer to what Knuke worked with. Youds speculated some " events' could occur that may be what happened to Knuke. We keep a gieger counter handy when testing water vortex research devices at rotational speed above 3450 RPM. Richard - Original Message - From: Ron Wormus To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 4:52 PM Subject: Re: Cavitation neutrons - was: Blast from the Past - Well I can't answer either of your queries but heres a Co selling a commerical version of Knukes device.http://www.hydrodynamics.com/index.htm--On Monday, May 16, 2005 5:29 PM -0400 revtec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> The silence is deafening. I have been waiting impatiently for Jones> or someone to respond to these posts by Knuke and speculate on how a> home brew cavitating turbine, spiked with mere traces of fissionable> material, can within five seconds of operation deliver a near lethal> dose of radiation! Dosn't this level of performance makes the Huffman> machine the Mother of all LENR devices? Someone more skilled than I> in the "art of duplicating" needs to check this out!> > Is the silence on the subject due to the fact that every Vortex> member with facilities is doing just that?> > Jeff> > P.S. I at least thought someone might imply that the account was> impossible and then back up their position with some "unasailable"> theorizing.> > > - Original Message - > From: "Michael Huffman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> To: > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 1:15 AM> Subject: Re: Cavitation neutrons - was: Blast from the Past -> > >> Moin Jeff.>> >> The runaway events happened on the first model that I built. I did>> these> runs>> in my kitchen less than a foot away from these radioactive tiles,>> but I> had>> no clue that they were radioactive until later. While trying to get>> a subsequent model to do the runaway thing again, I came up with the>> crazy> idea>> of lacing the water, thinking that it may have played a roll. I>> used the geiger counter quite a bit while wiping down the tiles, but>> didn't turn it> on>> for the initial test run itself. I was in a hurry, and wanted to>> see what would happen. Now I know.>> >> This is all in the VG archives, if you want to download all of those>> huge files and run text searches. At Bill Beaty's website there>> used to be a photo of the first model, torn down, and sitting on my>> kitchen counter.> One>> more word of warning though, if you go onto Bill Beaty's website,>> leave a trail of breadcrumbs or make bookmarks or something so that>> you don't get lost. Whenever I visit Bill's website, I always get>> lost for hours, if> not>> days. It's pretty weird in there.>> >> Knuke>> >> >> Am Freitag, 13. Mai 2005 23:26 schrieb revtec:>> > - Original Message ->> > From: "Michael Huffman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>> > To: >> > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 2:21 PM>> > Subject: Re: Cavitation neutrons - was: Blast from the Past ->> > >> > I reread your article in 1995 vol. 1 , no. 1of IE which concluded>> > with> your>> > impending success. What happened? Didn't your next model work? I> recall>> > knowing about your kitchen sheathed in yellow cake tiles, but can't> recall>> > if you told me that or if it was mentioned in a subsequent article>> > that> I>> > am yet to rediscover. The implication was that the runaway>> > operation> was>> > possibly caused because the experiment was surrounded by>> > radioactive> walls.>> > I don't recall that you ever indicated that you used uranium laced>> > water> to>> > fuel the turbine. Was it during the runaway describe in the>> > article> that>> > you suffered injury or was it during a later experiment?>> > >> > Jeff>> >> >> > > > >
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Well I can't answer either of your queries but heres a Co selling a commerical version of Knukes device. http://www.hydrodynamics.com/index.htm --On Monday, May 16, 2005 5:29 PM -0400 revtec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The silence is deafening. I have been waiting impatiently for Jones > or someone to respond to these posts by Knuke and speculate on how a > home brew cavitating turbine, spiked with mere traces of fissionable > material, can within five seconds of operation deliver a near lethal > dose of radiation! Dosn't this level of performance makes the Huffman > machine the Mother of all LENR devices? Someone more skilled than I > in the "art of duplicating" needs to check this out! > > Is the silence on the subject due to the fact that every Vortex > member with facilities is doing just that? > > Jeff > > P.S. I at least thought someone might imply that the account was > impossible and then back up their position with some "unasailable" > theorizing. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Michael Huffman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 1:15 AM > Subject: Re: Cavitation neutrons - was: Blast from the Past - > > >> Moin Jeff. >> >> The runaway events happened on the first model that I built. I did >> these > runs >> in my kitchen less than a foot away from these radioactive tiles, >> but I > had >> no clue that they were radioactive until later. While trying to get >> a subsequent model to do the runaway thing again, I came up with the >> crazy > idea >> of lacing the water, thinking that it may have played a roll. I >> used the geiger counter quite a bit while wiping down the tiles, but >> didn't turn it > on >> for the initial test run itself. I was in a hurry, and wanted to >> see what would happen. Now I know. >> >> This is all in the VG archives, if you want to download all of those >> huge files and run text searches. At Bill Beaty's website there >> used to be a photo of the first model, torn down, and sitting on my >> kitchen counter. > One >> more word of warning though, if you go onto Bill Beaty's website, >> leave a trail of breadcrumbs or make bookmarks or something so that >> you don't get lost. Whenever I visit Bill's website, I always get >> lost for hours, if > not >> days. It's pretty weird in there. >> >> Knuke >> >> >> Am Freitag, 13. Mai 2005 23:26 schrieb revtec: >> > - Original Message - >> > From: "Michael Huffman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > To: >> > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 2:21 PM >> > Subject: Re: Cavitation neutrons - was: Blast from the Past - >> > >> > I reread your article in 1995 vol. 1 , no. 1of IE which concluded >> > with > your >> > impending success. What happened? Didn't your next model work? I > recall >> > knowing about your kitchen sheathed in yellow cake tiles, but can't > recall >> > if you told me that or if it was mentioned in a subsequent article >> > that > I >> > am yet to rediscover. The implication was that the runaway >> > operation > was >> > possibly caused because the experiment was surrounded by >> > radioactive > walls. >> > I don't recall that you ever indicated that you used uranium laced >> > water > to >> > fuel the turbine. Was it during the runaway describe in the >> > article > that >> > you suffered injury or was it during a later experiment? >> > >> > Jeff >> >> >> > > > >
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The silence is deafening. I have been waiting impatiently for Jones or someone to respond to these posts by Knuke and speculate on how a home brew cavitating turbine, spiked with mere traces of fissionable material, can within five seconds of operation deliver a near lethal dose of radiation! Dosn't this level of performance makes the Huffman machine the Mother of all LENR devices? Someone more skilled than I in the "art of duplicating" needs to check this out! Is the silence on the subject due to the fact that every Vortex member with facilities is doing just that? Jeff P.S. I at least thought someone might imply that the account was impossible and then back up their position with some "unasailable" theorizing. - Original Message - From: "Michael Huffman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 1:15 AM Subject: Re: Cavitation neutrons - was: Blast from the Past - > Moin Jeff. > > The runaway events happened on the first model that I built. I did these runs > in my kitchen less than a foot away from these radioactive tiles, but I had > no clue that they were radioactive until later. While trying to get a > subsequent model to do the runaway thing again, I came up with the crazy idea > of lacing the water, thinking that it may have played a roll. I used the > geiger counter quite a bit while wiping down the tiles, but didn't turn it on > for the initial test run itself. I was in a hurry, and wanted to see what > would happen. Now I know. > > This is all in the VG archives, if you want to download all of those huge > files and run text searches. At Bill Beaty's website there used to be a > photo of the first model, torn down, and sitting on my kitchen counter. One > more word of warning though, if you go onto Bill Beaty's website, leave a > trail of breadcrumbs or make bookmarks or something so that you don't get > lost. Whenever I visit Bill's website, I always get lost for hours, if not > days. It's pretty weird in there. > > Knuke > > > Am Freitag, 13. Mai 2005 23:26 schrieb revtec: > > - Original Message - > > From: "Michael Huffman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 2:21 PM > > Subject: Re: Cavitation neutrons - was: Blast from the Past - > > > > I reread your article in 1995 vol. 1 , no. 1of IE which concluded with your > > impending success. What happened? Didn't your next model work? I recall > > knowing about your kitchen sheathed in yellow cake tiles, but can't recall > > if you told me that or if it was mentioned in a subsequent article that I > > am yet to rediscover. The implication was that the runaway operation was > > possibly caused because the experiment was surrounded by radioactive walls. > > I don't recall that you ever indicated that you used uranium laced water to > > fuel the turbine. Was it during the runaway describe in the article that > > you suffered injury or was it during a later experiment? > > > > Jeff > > >
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Moin Jeff. The runaway events happened on the first model that I built. I did these runs in my kitchen less than a foot away from these radioactive tiles, but I had no clue that they were radioactive until later. While trying to get a subsequent model to do the runaway thing again, I came up with the crazy idea of lacing the water, thinking that it may have played a roll. I used the geiger counter quite a bit while wiping down the tiles, but didn't turn it on for the initial test run itself. I was in a hurry, and wanted to see what would happen. Now I know. This is all in the VG archives, if you want to download all of those huge files and run text searches. At Bill Beaty's website there used to be a photo of the first model, torn down, and sitting on my kitchen counter. One more word of warning though, if you go onto Bill Beaty's website, leave a trail of breadcrumbs or make bookmarks or something so that you don't get lost. Whenever I visit Bill's website, I always get lost for hours, if not days. It's pretty weird in there. Knuke Am Freitag, 13. Mai 2005 23:26 schrieb revtec: > - Original Message - > From: "Michael Huffman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 2:21 PM > Subject: Re: Cavitation neutrons - was: Blast from the Past - > > I reread your article in 1995 vol. 1 , no. 1of IE which concluded with your > impending success. What happened? Didn't your next model work? I recall > knowing about your kitchen sheathed in yellow cake tiles, but can't recall > if you told me that or if it was mentioned in a subsequent article that I > am yet to rediscover. The implication was that the runaway operation was > possibly caused because the experiment was surrounded by radioactive walls. > I don't recall that you ever indicated that you used uranium laced water to > fuel the turbine. Was it during the runaway describe in the article that > you suffered injury or was it during a later experiment? > > Jeff
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- Original Message - From: "Michael Huffman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 2:21 PM Subject: Re: Cavitation neutrons - was: Blast from the Past - I reread your article in 1995 vol. 1 , no. 1of IE which concluded with your impending success. What happened? Didn't your next model work? I recall knowing about your kitchen sheathed in yellow cake tiles, but can't recall if you told me that or if it was mentioned in a subsequent article that I am yet to rediscover. The implication was that the runaway operation was possibly caused because the experiment was surrounded by radioactive walls. I don't recall that you ever indicated that you used uranium laced water to fuel the turbine. Was it during the runaway describe in the article that you suffered injury or was it during a later experiment? Jeff
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Moin Jones, To my knowledge, nobody has ever written anything on this subject except me, but it was such an obvious thing to do, that I am sure somebody else has tried it. I should say that I am nearly 100% sure that others know of this, but are just not allowed to disclose. Shortly after I did my experiment, a NATO conference was held just North of Seattle and all of the major people working with cavitation at that time were "invited". That would include Putterman, the rest of the UC cavitation bunch, and the U of Washington cavitation crowd. The rest were military guys, mostly from the Navy. I was not allowed in, of course. My one and only experiment with radioactive stuff was in 1996. As it happened, I was living in an old apartment in the Capitol Hill area of downtown Seattle that had yellowcake glazed tiles on the kitchen walls. The apartment was about 100 years old, and yellowcake was a commonly used material back then for glazing tiles. I cut up some old Levis jeans into squares about 5 inches square, simply wiped the kitchen tiles down with the jeans material dampened with tap water, and then I let about 6 of these squares soak overnight in a couple of liters of tap water that I put in the fridge. The next day, I ran the water through my machine, but after about 5 seconds, I felt like I had been hit by a truck. I turned the machine off and stumbled into the bathroom. My eyes were completely bloody, my nose was bleeding, and I didn't know which end of me to point at the toilet first. It was a bloody mess, as the Brits would say. I spent the next two weeks in absolute agony, but I slowly recovered. The rotor of my device was shot through with holes. The first really stupid thing about that experiment was that I did it without any shielding. The second really stupid thing about it was that I had a geiger counter in my apartment, and just didn't bother to turn it on. Actually, the first really, really stupid thing about doing that experiment was doing it at all. I didn't write it up at the time, basically because I was afraid. I forget exactly when I did disclose it publically, but I think that it was 2 or 3 years later when I was reading one of Scott Little's online experiments that looked like it might actually work. Like so many other experimenters we know or knew, this highly trained, extremely intelligent, meticulously careful person was pressing his face up against some thin plexiglass window to watch what was happening inside of a functioning cell. He had loads of shielding and measuring gear in his lab, and was desperately working to initiate a nuclear reaction, but he wasn't using any of the safety or measuring equipment. I finally wrote up what happened to me to illustrate (once again) what can happen when things actually do work the way you hope. I take it Mizuno wasn't reading the Vortex Group that day, either. I personally have no desire to ever repeat this, as there are more than enough non-nuclear, sane applications for my device for me to spend several lifetimes doing experiments with it. It is a really cool machine. If you are crazy enough to try something like this out yourself however, I would highly recommend using a SBSL rig, instead of a massively multibubble device like mine, to make the experiment a lot safer (easier and cheaper too, I might add). Use shielding out the wazoo, and turn your geiger counter on. Fission is all too easy when you use cavitation. You don't need a lot of radioactive material, either. Like I said, I just wiped down the surface of the tiles with damp cloth, and had more than plenty. You couldn't even see any trace of the radioactive material on the cloth, it was such a small amount. Viel Glueck und Rotsa Rueck! Knuke Am Freitag, 13. Mai 2005 17:02 schrieb Jones Beene: > Guten Tag Knuke, > > > The rotary cavitation device is still a very interesting > > machine, in my > > opinion. I think that it would make a dandy subcritical neutron > > generator, > > Is there a documented experiment showing neutron production from a > rotary cavitation device? > > Jones
