RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Testing at University of Bologna - The Deadline Looms
Axil, I have had same suspicion due to her arrival relative to timeline. Fran From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 4:22 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Testing at University of Bologna - The Deadline Looms Mary, you do not have the current Rossi inter-personal and political dynamics down correctly or even worse maybe you do. As I see things, Rossi never wanted to reveal the details of his work, but Levi through an appeal to friendship forced Rossi to be more open to revealing information. His need to attract customers also forced some minimal level of revelation. But Rossi always wanted to keep this info flow to a minimum. E-Cat evaluation at the University of Bologna was Levi's idea because as an academic, Levi's status in academia requires a degree of verification, openness, publication, and information flow to peers. Now that Rossi is partnered with the US military, The UofP research effort is not needed. Rossi will get all the RD he would ever want or need from the DOD and it will be kept secret with no possible information leakage. This is the best of all worlds for Rossi. Along with this RD effort, the DOD will mount an intelligence campaign of duplicity and disinformation to hide their interest in LENR development work much in the same way that the UFO disinformation campaign was used to covertly hide Stealth aircraft development at Area 51 from the Soviet Union. Consistent with this scenario as informed by their past actions, I believe it is highly probable that the DOD will assign field and/or senior level intelligence officers to spread disinformation on various information outlets including web sites that deal with LENR to cover their real defense related efforts on the E-Cat. With Vortex as the premier LENR web information site, this is why I think you are actually an air force major with the appropriate background assigned here to hound this web site, to spread disinformation about the E-Cat, and to cover Rossi's work for the DOD. In the same way you demand of Rossi, to establish your good faith bona fide please provide unsalable and definitive proof to the Vortex community that you are not some DOD shill assigned by the DOD to put the Vortex community off the scent, discourage the development and promulgation of the real story of the E-Cat, Rossi and Defkalion, together with ridiculing and undermining possible replication of the E-Cat. On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.commailto:maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.commailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.commailto:maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Meanwhile, Defkalion promises independent testing. When? Oh... soon! They do not promise it. They hope to have it. They are a privately held business. They do not owe the public anything. They do not need to make any promises or commitments to the public, but only to customers, stockholders and regulators. The same is true of Rossi. You seem to have difficulty understanding this concept. What concept is that, exactly? That someone can continue to make huge claims, present no or insufficient evidence for an entire year and then expect some sort of credibility or respect? Is that your thesis? Rossi and Defkalion would owe nothing to anybody if they had kept their mouths shut, except to their investors, about their claims. Once someone makes claims which have huge public impact, you bet they owe something. They owe proof.
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Testing at University of Bologna - The Deadline Looms
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: Axil, I have had same suspicion due to her arrival relative to timeline. She's been skepticizing for several years now. I first saw her on the Steorn forum. I told her how to join Vortex; so, I guess I have to share some of the guilt for her postings. T
RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Testing at University of Bologna - The Deadline Looms
I have to say, take a look at: http://www.moletrap.co.uk/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=483page=1#Item_0 The username maryyugo was banned from Steorn before December 2009. Sorry, but she's been around the block a few times; Quite loudly. Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 09:18:28 -0500 Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Testing at University of Bologna - The Deadline Looms From: hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: Axil, I have had same suspicion due to her arrival relative to timeline. She's been skepticizing for several years now. I first saw her on the Steorn forum. I told her how to join Vortex; so, I guess I have to share some of the guilt for her postings. T
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Testing at University of Bologna - The Deadline Looms
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote: I have to say, take a look at: http://www.moletrap.co.uk/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=483page=1#Item_0 The username maryyugo was banned from Steorn before December 2009. Sorry, but she's been around the block a few times; Quite loudly. Sorry? For what? I invited MY for the pure entertainment value. When I was young, I enjoyed stirring ants' nests also. (I mostly enjoyed those ants who only occasionally exited their holes only to encounter immediate immolation from my grandfather's reading glass focusing the sun. I have since found the Buddha's teachings and no longer engage in such.) T
RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Testing at University of Bologna - The Deadline Looms
I was just showing that, after a short Google search, it is quite evident that the maryyugo persona is not, and I quote: DOD shill assigned by the DOD to put the Vortex community off the scent, discourage the development and promulgation of the real story of the E-Cat, Rossi and Defkalion, together with ridiculing and undermining possible replication of the E-Cat It may seem self-evident to most that the assertion is silly, but, you never really know what people will believe. My statement that, Sorry, but she's been around the block a few times.. was merely to state that maryyugo's presence is not evidence of a DOD coverup, no matter how much some people may want there to be one. Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 10:30:17 -0500 Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Testing at University of Bologna - The Deadline Looms From: hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote: I have to say, take a look at: http://www.moletrap.co.uk/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=483page=1#Item_0 The username maryyugo was banned from Steorn before December 2009. Sorry, but she's been around the block a few times; Quite loudly. Sorry? For what? I invited MY for the pure entertainment value. When I was young, I enjoyed stirring ants' nests also. (I mostly enjoyed those ants who only occasionally exited their holes only to encounter immediate immolation from my grandfather's reading glass focusing the sun. I have since found the Buddha's teachings and no longer engage in such.) T
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Testing at University of Bologna - The Deadline Looms
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote: My statement that, Sorry, but she's been around the block a few times.. was merely to state that maryyugo's presence is not evidence of a DOD coverup, no matter how much some people may want there to be one. Ah, you were really talking to Francis. I know she's no G-shill. Got it. Thanks! T
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Testing at University of Bologna - The Deadline Looms
BTW, MY should be awake and online soon. It will be interesting to see what she has to say. T
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Testing at University of Bologna - The Deadline Looms
Terry sez: BTW, MY should be awake and online soon. It will be interesting to see what she has to say. My only contact with MY these days is through indirect exposure. There has been a lot of that lately. Robert's Google search was informative. It ought to put to rest imaginative scenarios concerning the MY persona. My own impression of MY's posting activity is one that I suspect most here have already come to: she is in it primarily for the unique kind of exposure and notoriety it gives her out on the Internet. It's just one of the activities some of us do to prove to ourselves that we actually amount to something in a universe we unconsciously fear would just assume ignore our existence. To constantly express post disagreeable opinions is a way to point to the self and say See, I DO exist... and I'm unique! It's a way to be noticed. Alas, there are obvious problems with such behavior if taken to an extreme. For example, becoming banned could be perceived as a badge of honor - a kind of consolation prize. (However, least I sound too uppety,I guess I could say that me resigning from Krivits' NET BoD was in a sense being banned as well... so go figger!) But let me get back to my spiel. If in subsequent years Rossi eCats actually DO start rolling off the shelves of stores like Home Depot I suspect MY will soon start searching around for another group (preferably linked to a controversial subject) so that she can continue to prove to an indifferent world that she actually does exist. I suspect grasshopper MY will probably not take the following advice in an agreeable fashion: Zen masters realize self doesn't exist, so stop constantly trying to prove to an indifferent universe that it does. It is a futile gesture that ultimately fails. I suspect a number of Zen masters would simply shrug their shoulders and say there are far more enjoyable things to do with consciousness as compared to constantly wearing a chip self's shoulder. Regards Swami OrionWorks
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Testing at University of Bologna - The Deadline Looms
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 9:16 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: If in subsequent years Rossi eCats actually DO start rolling off the shelves of stores like Home Depot I suspect MY will soon start searching around for another group (preferably linked to a controversial subject) so that she can continue to prove to an indifferent world that she actually does exist. Long before Rossi devices appear on store shelves, some SINGLE proper and definitive independent test will have to be done and some ONE customer will have to admit buying and testing a Rossi reactor and will show it being properly tested in public. Despite continuous claims that they will do so, neither has done it. Rossi and Defkalion projections of huge numbers of sales to the public, including American customers, in calendar year 2012 are absurd.
