jed, yeah, and facism was just a fad in germany. it still did a hell
of a lot of damage.
john... wow. we DONT need a military launchpad in the area, and if
we did, there are other countries in the area relatively friendly to
us that would have been less work. say, turkey. the us's purchase of
oil is a small amount, we would not bankrupt the world if our oil
consumption were cut to even teh extreme of 10 percent current
consumption.
and you say socialism like its a bad thing. as long as we have
corporate america exploiting the middle class here, we NEED a
socialist government to counterbalance.
as for china... the powers that be here dont want a middle class
china. that would raise the price of our manufactured goods we
import.
On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:35:59 -0600, John Steck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I suppose if you take everything at face value and fail to see everything is
based on military strategy then I guess I understand your confusion. We are
in Iraq because we have to get out of Saudi Arabia and we need a military
launch pad in the region to maintain some semblance of stability in the
production of fuel for the rest of the world. Having Saddam pull the short
straw was a no brainer. We continue to buy oil because if we didn't the
world economy would collapse and www3 would begin. It is nothing more than
a wealth redistribution system. Food for Oil on a much grander scale if
you will (and just as corrupt).
Same for China. We are at war with China... not a hot or cold war, a green
war. We can not win traditionally so we are taking the Ron Reagan approach.
We are compromising their will as a nation by infecting them with
Capitalism. As soon as we help them grow a middle class, we will have the
necessary tools in place INSIDE the country to overthrow the existing
COMMUNIST government.
Same for social security. SS is nothing more than socialism with lipstick
on. Government is big, dumb, and slow. It's only most dangerous when it
implements something new because the true implications are rarely known.
Once something is in place, the parasites that feed on it will NEVER let the
core elements change. It becomes the evil we know.
-john
-Original Message-
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 12:29 PM
To: Vortex
Subject: Role of God in government
It is obvious that several contributors to Vortex hold very strong
opinions about the Christian religion. It is also obvious that such
opinions are shaping national policy in ways that are not beneficial to
the general population. We went to war based on the lie that Iraq had
WMD, the social security system is being changed based on several lies,
we send our work overseas based on the lie that this is good for our
economy, we now have the largest debt of any nation at any time in
history based on a lie that this does not matter, and now the
fundamental relationship between religion and government is being
changed based on a lie. I'm interested to know how people who support
the present government justify this approach and how this tendency to
lie squares with their understanding of the Christian religion. If a
person supports obvious lies, how can anything they say be trusted?
Regards,
Ed Storms
Our Godless Constitution
WASHINGTON, Feb. 6, 2005
Church And State Voters
(Photo: AP / CBS)
Our nation was founded not on Christian principles but on Enlightenment
ones. God only entered the picture as a very minor player, and Jesus
Christ was conspicuously absent.
(The Nation) This column from The Nation was written by Brooke Allen. It
is hard to believe that George Bush has ever read the works of George
Orwell, but he seems, somehow, to have grasped a few Orwellian precepts.
The lesson the President has learned best -- and certainly the one that
has been the most useful to him -- is the axiom that if you repeat a lie
often enough, people will believe it. One of his Administration's
current favorites is the whopper about America having been founded on
Christian principles. Our nation was founded not on Christian principles
but on Enlightenment ones. God only entered the picture as a very minor
player, and Jesus Christ was conspicuously absent.
Our Constitution makes no mention whatever of God. The omission was too
obvious to have been anything but deliberate, in spite of Alexander
Hamilton's flippant responses when asked about it: According to one
account, he said that the new nation was not in need of foreign aid;
according to another, he simply said we forgot. But as Hamilton's
biographer Ron Chernow points out, Hamilton never forgot anything important.
In the eighty-five essays that make up The Federalist, God is mentioned
only twice (both times by Madison, who uses the word, as Gore Vidal has
remarked, in the only Heaven knows sense). In the Declaration of
Independence, He gets two brief nods: a
