Re: [vox-tech] Re: please help
Mike called me. His home directory was essentially empty [1]. I had him read to me the contents of "mount". Nothing was mounted on /home, as I suspected. I had him cat out /etc/fstab to learn the partition that /home resides on. It was /dev/hda6. I had him mount /dev/hda6 onto /home, and that seemed to work. He went into KDE and was able to access his homework. The laptop has no floppy, but does have a flash card, so he has the means to copy his homework to another computer and print it out. So that takes care of the immediate problem. I told him to email me a copy of /var/log/dmesg and /var/log/messages, so I'm waiting for that to try to figure out why this problem happened in the first place. I'll report back when I receive these files. He also told me that his wireless network card doesn't work on the laptop. He was under the impression that he needed to recompile the kernel to get it working. I told him that I seriously doubt a kernel recompile is necessary. Turns out he hasn't been to a LUGOD meeting. I told him that if he took his laptop to the next LUGOD meeting, there would be 30 people falling over themselves to help get his network card working. Peter [1] He actually created a temporary user while trying to figure out what was happening. Since /home wasn't mounted, the temp user's home directory is located in /home (but is not in the /home partition, if you get my drift). I didn't tell him to delete the directory because /home was already mounted at that point, and I didn't want him to change anything until his homework is safe and sound on another machine. On Fri 11 Mar 05, 9:13 AM, Jonathan Stickel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I just called Mike to see if I could help him quickly by phone. It > seems like his home directory has disappeared, and he says a file system > check did not fix things. This is probably outside the scope of my > expertise. Is someone able to help him? > > Jonathan > > > Michael Siminitus wrote: > >1- Michael Siminitus, [address, phone removed] â call anytime -ASAP > >please > > > >2- see full specs at: > >http://support.gateway.com/s/Mobile/Gateway/200ARC/3501609sp83.shtml > > > >2- Mandrake 10. > > > >3- I cannot log on, except as root or the new user I created. The error > >I keep getting is: > >* There was an error setting up inter-process communications for KDE. > >The message returned by the system was: > >Could not read network connection list. > >//.DCOPserver_localhost_0 > >Please check that the âdcopserverâ program is running > > > >4- sorry, it's on my laptop and I can't retype that whole thing. > > > >5- I have a paper trapped in the machine I need to turn in tomorrow. I > >don't know if it is possible, but it would be GREAT if I could bring the > >laptop to someone tomorrow morning who could help out. -- Save Star Trek Enterprise from extinction: http://www.saveenterprise.com GPG Fingerprint: B9F1 6CF3 47C4 7CD8 D33E 70A9 A3B9 1945 67EA 951D ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Apt-get vs. Dselect
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:10:47 -0800 Matt Roper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Mar 11, 2005 at 01:51:39PM -0500, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: > ... regarding aptitude/dselect/apt-get interface ... > > I've never heard, met or read about anybody who prefers the TUI > > interface to the CLI interface. > > I use the TUI interface most of the time and only use the CLI > interface if I want to grab a single, specific package. There are a > couple advantages that aptitude's TUI interface and dselect have over > the CLI interface (IMO): > > * I can easily see a list of the "new" packages available in the > Debian >repository (I track the unstable branch). Several times I'll see >a new package, think "hey, that sounds cool!" and install it even >though it wasn't something I was specifically looking for. As far >as I know, there's no way to get a list of the newly available >packages and their detailed descriptions with apt-get or with >aptitude's CLI interface. > > * I like getting a list of packages that are going to be upgraded so >that I can quickly check changelogs for the packages I'm worried >about and put them on hold (you can do this from aptitude's CLI >also, but it's a couple extra steps). > > * Building on the last point, it's slightly easier to see if packages >that you put on hold have a new upgrade available beyond the >problematic version. If so, I can check the changelog quickly and >decide whether to remove the hold or not. > > So I guess now you do know of someone who prefers the TUI interface. > :-) I use the TUI interface of aptitude for a few things: * Removing kernels when I have 3 old ones lying around. It's easier to search for them and then have all of the old kernels listed right next to each other than it is to type in all of the version numbers. * Resolving upgrade conflicts. Apt-get can usually do very well with upgrades, but occasionally there is an upgrade that has some packages that want to remove lots of stuff (which I want to keep) while having other packages that won't get upgraded without pulling in new stuff. Neither apt-get dist-upgrade or apt-get upgrade will handle these the way I want it, but the TUI lets me specify exactly which packages to upgrade and which ones not to. (Without having to wait for sid to sort itself out to get the packages that aren't broken) So I've been an apt-get user for a few years. Anybody know how to make the transition to aptitude and have it do something sane as regards automatically and manually installed packages? (So far I've been running debfoster periodically to trim obsolete packages). --Ken Bloom -- I usually have a GPG digital signature included as an attachment. See http://www.gnupg.org/ for info about these digital signatures. pgpuqVMe6Z1YQ.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] KDE Questions (was re: Apt-get vs. Dselect)
On Friday 11 March 2005 13:33, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: > On Fri 11 Mar 05, 11:46 AM, Bill Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > > You could, of course, create a folder called "My Computer" on the > > desktop, give it a computer-shaped icon, and then create device icons > > inside of it. (Right click -> New -> Device Icon, or some-such.) > > Cool. I got exactly what I wanted. Yes, that's very cool. But my Debian desktop is having an identity crisis. It's starting to look like SuSE and Mandrake. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] KDE Questions (was re: Apt-get vs. Dselect)
On Fri 11 Mar 05, 11:46 AM, Bill Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > > > 1. I want a desktop icon similar to "My Computer" that has shortcuts to > >various filesystems like /usr/local, /home, /C, /D, etc. How can I > >generate such a thing? > > You could, of course, create a folder called "My Computer" on the desktop, > give it a computer-shaped icon, and then create device icons inside of it. > (Right click -> New -> Device Icon, or some-such.) Cool. I got exactly what I wanted. > > 2. How do I change the font displayed underneath icons? The standard KDE > >font, aside from not being my cup of tea, is too big for my liking. > > That'd be in the Control Center somewhere. I can't give a precise name, > since I don't have it in front of me. :^/ Found it. I think I figured out what I don't like about the desktop fonts. There's this wierd font shading I'm not fond of. I'll try to Google this. > > 3. How do I get "sloppy focus"? Sloppy focus is like Unix focus: when the > >cursor goes over a window, the window gains focus. > > Again, in Control Center, under one of the 'Behavior' options. > *ugh* I should just go dig around for Control Center screenshots, so > I could tell you precisely. It's a little crowded in there, but fortunately > most of it is organized in a sane way. Cool. It's under "Desktop | Window Behavior", and it's called "focus follows mouse". I like "sloppy focus" better. :-) Thanks! Pete -- Save Star Trek Enterprise from extinction: http://www.saveenterprise.com GPG Fingerprint: B9F1 6CF3 47C4 7CD8 D33E 70A9 A3B9 1945 67EA 951D ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Apt-get vs. Dselect
Quoting Mark K. Kim ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > I think it also raises your ranking on Google??? =D No kidding: I have more Google "juice" than I can possibly deal with -- and I wasn't even aiming for that. If I could hand some out to the needy, I would! ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Apt-get vs. Dselect
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005, Rick Moen wrote: [snip] > "Aptitude" on http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Debian/ > > (I tend to point people to the relevent knowledgebase _index_ page > rather than the direct document URL for lots'a reasons -- including the > fact that the whole point of the index is to make documents easy to > REfind, and also to find related topics of interest.) I think it also raises your ranking on Google??? =D -Mark -- Mark K. Kim AIM: markus kimius Homepage: http://www.cbreak.org/ Xanga: http://www.xanga.com/vindaci Friendster: http://www.friendster.com/user.php?uid=13046 PGP key fingerprint: 7324 BACA 53AD E504 A76E 5167 6822 94F0 F298 5DCE PGP key available on the homepage ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] KDE config (was Apt-get vs. Dselect)
Peter Jay Salzman wrote: On Fri 11 Mar 05, 10:27 AM, Bill Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: On Fri, Mar 11, 2005 at 10:11:30AM -0800, Bob Scofield wrote: All I know is that I was overwhelmed by aptitude. I'm told to put a + or - next to a package, but I'm given 14,000 plus packages to look at. I much prefer apt-get. If I was interested in learning what packages were available I'd probably bring up a browser and check out the relevant package category on the debian website, and then bring up a terminal window and apt-get what I wanted. But I realize that I do things differently. Or just use a GUI apt tool, like kio-apt for KDE. ;^) http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=8966 You can just type, e.g., "apt:/search?python" to search for all packages with python in the name, or just type "apt:/" to get a little form interface. (See the screenshots at the URL above.) -bill! As long as you bring up KDE, I have a couple of questions. I've been using KDE for a day now, and I can't figure out a few things: 1. I want a desktop icon similar to "My Computer" that has shortcuts to various filesystems like /usr/local, /home, /C, /D, etc. How can I generate such a thing? Konqueror, as a filesystem, may do nearly what you want, as is. Do you have a "home" icon on your desktop or in your kmenu? By default, this just brings you to your home directory. You can point konqueror anywhere you want, and then save "view profile" under settings. Also, on the side bar is a number of icons that show links to different places. One is "devices" which shows links do different mountpoints. Another is "root filesystem", which shows "/", of course. You could make a directory with symlinks to whatever you want, and have konqueror startup there. 2. How do I change the font displayed underneath icons? The standard KDE font, aside from not being my cup of tea, is too big for my liking. If you are not yet familiar with KDE's control center, check it out. You can adjust most KDE fonts there. Also, the fonts for part of konqueror can be changed in konqueror by "configure konqueror" from the settings menu. 3. How do I get "sloppy focus"? Sloppy focus is like Unix focus: when the cursor goes over a window, the window gains focus. However, in Unix focus, when the cursor leaves the window (without hovering over another window), the window loses focus. In sloppy focus, when the cursor leaves the window (without hovering over a new window) the window *remains* focused. This allows me to keep a window's focus *and* click on the desktop. dunno this one 4. I hate to ask this, maybe embarrased is a better word, but is it possible to use MS Windows 95 icons in KDE? The default KDE icons are too fancy. I want something less ornate. Less busy. I really loved the icons (and widgets) that came with MS Windows 95. Is it possible to use those icons in KDE? You can choose different icon sets in the control center. You can install more icon sets using your distribution or directly from http://kdelook.org/. 5. Is it possible to configure artsd to become a client of esd (the Enlightenment Sound Daemon) rather than trying to grab /dev/dsp directly? You can mess with how arts works in the control center (sounds & multimedia - sound system). I think this is an option, but it used to not work. Things are better since KDE 3.3. Better yet, is it possible to tell KDE applications to use esd instead of artsd? Possibly. In the control center under system notifications, you can specify which player to use. For awhile I used "aplay", i.e. alsa directly. Now I am back to using arts since aplay won't do .ogg and .mp3. Also, I really recommend using alsa with the "dmix" plugin (http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin). This will help with sound mixing. Jonathan ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Apt-get vs. Dselect
On Fri 11 Mar 05, 12:10 PM, Matt Roper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Fri, Mar 11, 2005 at 01:51:39PM -0500, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: > ... regarding aptitude/dselect/apt-get interface ... > > I've never heard, met or read about anybody who prefers the TUI interface to > > the CLI interface. > > I use the TUI interface most of the time and only use the CLI interface > if I want to grab a single, specific package. There are a couple > advantages that aptitude's TUI interface and dselect have over the CLI > interface (IMO): > > > So I guess now you do know of someone who prefers the TUI interface. > :-) There's always SOMEONE in the audience... ;-) Pete ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Apt-get vs. Dselect
On Fri, Mar 11, 2005 at 01:51:39PM -0500, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: ... regarding aptitude/dselect/apt-get interface ... > I've never heard, met or read about anybody who prefers the TUI interface to > the CLI interface. I use the TUI interface most of the time and only use the CLI interface if I want to grab a single, specific package. There are a couple advantages that aptitude's TUI interface and dselect have over the CLI interface (IMO): * I can easily see a list of the "new" packages available in the Debian repository (I track the unstable branch). Several times I'll see a new package, think "hey, that sounds cool!" and install it even though it wasn't something I was specifically looking for. As far as I know, there's no way to get a list of the newly available packages and their detailed descriptions with apt-get or with aptitude's CLI interface. * I like getting a list of packages that are going to be upgraded so that I can quickly check changelogs for the packages I'm worried about and put them on hold (you can do this from aptitude's CLI also, but it's a couple extra steps). * Building on the last point, it's slightly easier to see if packages that you put on hold have a new upgrade available beyond the problematic version. If so, I can check the changelog quickly and decide whether to remove the hold or not. So I guess now you do know of someone who prefers the TUI interface. :-) Matt -- * * Matt Roper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* * http://www.mattrope.com * * PGP Key: http://www.mattrope.com/mattrope.asc * * ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] KDE Questions (was re: Apt-get vs. Dselect)
A bunch of these I might need to look at early next week, when I'm in front of my KDE box and have some spare time. (I'm at work and on XP, and wish it could do half the stuff KDE could do!) On Fri, Mar 11, 2005 at 01:40:28PM -0500, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: > As long as you bring up KDE, I have a couple of questions. I've been using > KDE for a day now, and I can't figure out a few things: > > 1. I want a desktop icon similar to "My Computer" that has shortcuts to >various filesystems like /usr/local, /home, /C, /D, etc. How can I >generate such a thing? There's a way to get device shortcuts (either all, or only the mounted ones, of various types) on your desktop automatically. I'm not sure about in "My Computer" icon, though. You could, of course, create a folder called "My Computer" on the desktop, give it a computer-shaped icon, and then create device icons inside of it. (Right click -> New -> Device Icon, or some-such.) > 2. How do I change the font displayed underneath icons? The standard KDE >font, aside from not being my cup of tea, is too big for my liking. That'd be in the Control Center somewhere. I can't give a precise name, since I don't have it in front of me. :^/ > 3. How do I get "sloppy focus"? Sloppy focus is like Unix focus: when the >cursor goes over a window, the window gains focus. Again, in Control Center, under one of the 'Behavior' options. *ugh* I should just go dig around for Control Center screenshots, so I could tell you precisely. It's a little crowded in there, but fortunately most of it is organized in a sane way. > 4. I hate to ask this, maybe embarrased is a better word, but is it possible >to use MS Windows 95 icons in KDE? The default KDE icons are too fancy. >I want something less ornate. Less busy. I really loved the icons (and >widgets) that came with MS Windows 95. Is it possible to use those icons >in KDE? Check http://www.kde-look.org/ and maybe http://www.themes.org/ (if that's even still around!) > 5. Is it possible to configure artsd to become a client of esd (the >Enlightenment Sound Daemon) rather than trying to grab /dev/dsp directly? >Better yet, is it possible to tell KDE applications to use esd instead >of artsd? Not sure about making artsd run under esd, but I've done the opposite. (I just added a startup item that ran "artsdsp esd", which caused esd to run under arts.) -bill! [EMAIL PROTECTED] "I'm anticipating an all-out tactical http://newbreedsoftware.com/ dog-fight, followed by a light dinner." ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Apt-get vs. Dselect
On Friday 11 March 2005 10:54 am, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Peter Jay Salzman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > There are some _really_ good reasons to use aptitude instead of apt-get. > > I believe Rick Moen has a page of them, and they're very convincing on > > many different levels. I'm sure he'll chime in with the URL sooner or > > later. ;) > > At yr. service: > > "Aptitude" on http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Debian/ > Okay, somebody owes me lunch for starting this thread. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Apt-get vs. Dselect
Quoting Peter Jay Salzman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > There are some _really_ good reasons to use aptitude instead of apt-get. I > believe Rick Moen has a page of them, and they're very convincing on many > different levels. I'm sure he'll chime in with the URL sooner or later. ;) At yr. service: "Aptitude" on http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Debian/ (I tend to point people to the relevent knowledgebase _index_ page rather than the direct document URL for lots'a reasons -- including the fact that the whole point of the index is to make documents easy to REfind, and also to find related topics of interest.) ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Apt-get vs. Dselect
Quoting Bob Scofield ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > I'm trying to do a little reading about apt-get when I have the time. Every > once and awhile I see a reference to dselect. Sometimes I get the impression > that apt-get has superceded dselect, and sometimes I get the impression that > dselect does things that apt-get doesn't. My question is this: is there a > good reason for an apt-get user to use dselect? Here's a logical "stack" diagram that I made a long time ago, for my "Debian Tips" collection: gnome-apt - aptitude |Package selection Corel Update | Storm Package Manager or dselect* | console-apt --- | | | calls v apt-get Dependency-resolution, | package-retrieval | | calls v dpkg Package installation & removal, configuration *dselect _can_ use apt-get as a "method" as indicated here, but by default does not, bypassing that layer and calling dpkg directly. (Alternatively, skip the first category, package selection, and just use apt-get et al. directly from the command line. Many of us do this by preference.) At the time I made that diagram, I was unaware that aptitude also had a command-line mode (or maybe it didn't have one, yet). My point is that apt-get and dselect are tools at different levels of abstraction. Comparing them is like comparing carburetors with Chevrolets -- except that carburetors by themselves aren't much use, whereas apt-get (and aptitude's command-line mode) are. ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] please check that the dcopserver program is running (was Re: please help)
All theses suggestions are great, but is someone willing to give him a call since it is urgent? Email me offlist, and I will give you his phone number. Thanks, Jonathan Ken Bloom wrote: On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:13:10 -0800 Jonathan Stickel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I just called Mike to see if I could help him quickly by phone. It seems like his home directory has disappeared, and he says a file system check did not fix things. This is probably outside the scope of my expertise. Is someone able to help him? Jonathan Michael Siminitus wrote: 1- Michael Siminitus, [address, phone removed] ___ call anytime -ASAP please 2- see full specs at: http://support.gateway.com/s/Mobile/Gateway/200ARC/3501609sp83.shtml 2- Mandrake 10. 3- I cannot log on, except as root or the new user I created. The error I keep getting is: * There was an error setting up inter-process communications for KDE. The message returned by the system was: Could not read network connection list. //.DCOPserver_localhost_0 Please check that the ___dcopserver___ program is running 4- sorry, it's on my laptop and I can't retype that whole thing. 5- I have a paper trapped in the machine I need to turn in tomorrow. I don't know if it is possible, but it would be GREAT if I could bring the laptop to someone tomorrow morning who could help out. I'm not a KDE person, but my first suggestion would be to move the .kde directory out of the way and see if that fixes the problem. He could also try * logging in to GNOME instead of KDE * logging in from the command line If he succeeds at logging in from GNOME, but needs kword (and kword fails with the same problem as his login) then he will at least be in a position to run dcopserver manually. --Ken Bloom ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Apt-get vs. Dselect
On Fri 11 Mar 05, 1:48 PM, Peter Jay Salzman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Fri 11 Mar 05, 10:29 AM, Bill Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > On Fri, Mar 11, 2005 at 01:13:10PM -0500, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: > > > No, no, no. You didn't read my email. > > > > > > > Well, really the comparison was aptitude to deselect, not aptitude to > > apt-get. > > I wasn't trying to compare anything. I was saying you don't have to look at > the aptitude TUI interface if you don't want to. You can use it as a drop > in replacement for apt-get, which is what nearly 100% of the Debian world Ooops! I meant to say: 100% of the aptitude using world. I've never heard, met or read about anybody who prefers the TUI interface to the CLI interface. Pete -- Save Star Trek Enterprise from extinction: http://www.saveenterprise.com GPG Fingerprint: B9F1 6CF3 47C4 7CD8 D33E 70A9 A3B9 1945 67EA 951D ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Apt-get vs. Dselect
On Fri 11 Mar 05, 10:29 AM, Bill Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Fri, Mar 11, 2005 at 01:13:10PM -0500, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: > > No, no, no. You didn't read my email. > > > > Well, really the comparison was aptitude to deselect, not aptitude to > apt-get. I wasn't trying to compare anything. I was saying you don't have to look at the aptitude TUI interface if you don't want to. You can use it as a drop in replacement for apt-get, which is what nearly 100% of the Debian world does. I don't know anybody who likes dselect (or aptitude's) TUI interface. BTW, you might be interested to know that dselect has a non-TUI interface too. Not many people know about that. > The dselect TUI was offensive to me. :^P LOL. Good word for it. :) > aptitude seemed a bit better, but I still only ever use aptitude as an > apt-get clone... or just stick with apt-get, due to habit. There are some _really_ good reasons to use aptitude instead of apt-get. I believe Rick Moen has a page of them, and they're very convincing on many different levels. I'm sure he'll chime in with the URL sooner or later. ;) Pete -- Save Star Trek Enterprise from extinction: http://www.saveenterprise.com GPG Fingerprint: B9F1 6CF3 47C4 7CD8 D33E 70A9 A3B9 1945 67EA 951D ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Apt-get vs. Dselect
Quoting Mark K. Kim ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > `dselect` is a TUI front-end to `apt-get`. > > Rick Moen recommends using `aptitude` instead of `dselect` but I just > can't get used to the interface. As Peter was suggesting, I actually had in mind aptitude's command-line mode, as an alternative to the apt-get [, apt-zip, apt-cdrom] utility. Aptitude's ncurses full-screen mode _is_ a damned sight better than dselect, but I prefer none of the above. ;-> -- Cheers, Rick MoenFrater Magnus vos spectat. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Apt-get vs. Dselect
On Fri 11 Mar 05, 10:27 AM, Bill Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Fri, Mar 11, 2005 at 10:11:30AM -0800, Bob Scofield wrote: > > All I know is that I was overwhelmed by aptitude. I'm told to put a + or - > > next to a package, but I'm given 14,000 plus packages to look at. I much > > prefer apt-get. If I was interested in learning what packages were > > available > > I'd probably bring up a browser and check out the relevant package category > > on the debian website, and then bring up a terminal window and apt-get what > > I > > wanted. But I realize that I do things differently. > > Or just use a GUI apt tool, like kio-apt for KDE. ;^) > > http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=8966 > > You can just type, e.g., "apt:/search?python" to search for all packages > with python in the name, or just type "apt:/" to get a little form interface. > (See the screenshots at the URL above.) > > -bill! As long as you bring up KDE, I have a couple of questions. I've been using KDE for a day now, and I can't figure out a few things: 1. I want a desktop icon similar to "My Computer" that has shortcuts to various filesystems like /usr/local, /home, /C, /D, etc. How can I generate such a thing? 2. How do I change the font displayed underneath icons? The standard KDE font, aside from not being my cup of tea, is too big for my liking. 3. How do I get "sloppy focus"? Sloppy focus is like Unix focus: when the cursor goes over a window, the window gains focus. However, in Unix focus, when the cursor leaves the window (without hovering over another window), the window loses focus. In sloppy focus, when the cursor leaves the window (without hovering over a new window) the window *remains* focused. This allows me to keep a window's focus *and* click on the desktop. 4. I hate to ask this, maybe embarrased is a better word, but is it possible to use MS Windows 95 icons in KDE? The default KDE icons are too fancy. I want something less ornate. Less busy. I really loved the icons (and widgets) that came with MS Windows 95. Is it possible to use those icons in KDE? 5. Is it possible to configure artsd to become a client of esd (the Enlightenment Sound Daemon) rather than trying to grab /dev/dsp directly? Better yet, is it possible to tell KDE applications to use esd instead of artsd? Thanks! Pete -- Save Star Trek Enterprise from extinction: http://www.saveenterprise.com GPG Fingerprint: B9F1 6CF3 47C4 7CD8 D33E 70A9 A3B9 1945 67EA 951D ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Re: please help
On Friday 11 March 2005 09:13, Jonathan Stickel wrote: > I just called Mike to see if I could help him quickly by phone. It > seems like his home directory has disappeared, and he says a file system > check did not fix things. This is probably outside the scope of my > expertise. Is someone able to help him? I just noticed that you cc'd LERT. I was thinking maybe Mike could call LERT. As far as Mike's paper goes, could he boot KNOPPIX and copy the paper to a floppy? Maybe KNOPPIX can find the home directory even if Mandrake can't. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] please check that the dcopserver program is running (was Re: please help)
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:13:10 -0800 Jonathan Stickel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just called Mike to see if I could help him quickly by phone. It > seems like his home directory has disappeared, and he says a file > system check did not fix things. This is probably outside the scope > of my expertise. Is someone able to help him? > > Jonathan > > > Michael Siminitus wrote: > > 1- Michael Siminitus, [address, phone removed] ___ call anytime -ASAP > > please > > > > 2- see full specs at: > > http://support.gateway.com/s/Mobile/Gateway/200ARC/3501609sp83.shtml > > > > 2- Mandrake 10. > > > > 3- I cannot log on, except as root or the new user I created. The > > error I keep getting is: > > * There was an error setting up inter-process communications for > > KDE. The message returned by the system was: > > Could not read network connection list. > > //.DCOPserver_localhost_0 > > Please check that the ___dcopserver___ program is running > > > > 4- sorry, it's on my laptop and I can't retype that whole thing. > > > > 5- I have a paper trapped in the machine I need to turn in tomorrow. > > I don't know if it is possible, but it would be GREAT if I could > > bring the laptop to someone tomorrow morning who could help out. I'm not a KDE person, but my first suggestion would be to move the .kde directory out of the way and see if that fixes the problem. He could also try * logging in to GNOME instead of KDE * logging in from the command line If he succeeds at logging in from GNOME, but needs kword (and kword fails with the same problem as his login) then he will at least be in a position to run dcopserver manually. --Ken Bloom -- I usually have a GPG digital signature included as an attachment. See http://www.gnupg.org/ for info about these digital signatures. pgpzl4loKZsti.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Apt-get vs. Dselect
On Fri, Mar 11, 2005 at 10:11:28AM -0800, Rod Roark wrote: > What about Synaptic? http://www.nongnu.org/synaptic/. Ooh, that looks quite cool. :) -bill! ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Apt-get vs. Dselect
On Fri, Mar 11, 2005 at 01:13:10PM -0500, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: > No, no, no. You didn't read my email. > Well, really the comparison was aptitude to deselect, not aptitude to apt-get. aptitude really does the work of both -- it can provide a TUI interface (which Mark was complaining about), and it can also act as a command-line installer/remover/searcher, as you show below: > Do this: > >aptitude install gworldclock The dselect TUI was offensive to me. :^P aptitude seemed a bit better, but I still only ever use aptitude as an apt-get clone... or just stick with apt-get, due to habit. -bill! ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Apt-get vs. Dselect
On Fri, Mar 11, 2005 at 10:11:30AM -0800, Bob Scofield wrote: > All I know is that I was overwhelmed by aptitude. I'm told to put a + or - > next to a package, but I'm given 14,000 plus packages to look at. I much > prefer apt-get. If I was interested in learning what packages were available > I'd probably bring up a browser and check out the relevant package category > on the debian website, and then bring up a terminal window and apt-get what I > wanted. But I realize that I do things differently. Or just use a GUI apt tool, like kio-apt for KDE. ;^) http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=8966 You can just type, e.g., "apt:/search?python" to search for all packages with python in the name, or just type "apt:/" to get a little form interface. (See the screenshots at the URL above.) -bill! ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Re: please help
If it is just a matter of getting a file off ASAP, why not boot with Knoppix as a rescue cd and copy it off? Bruce Peter Jay Salzman wrote: Short on details. Did someone tell him that his home directory is almost certainly safe and sound? He may be freaking out. I know that I would. Is /home on its own partition? Do we have output of "mount"? Maybe it's as simple as a KDE thing. Has he tried to log in on the console? Do we have dmesg output? What happens when he tries to manually mount /home? Pete On Fri 11 Mar 05, 9:13 AM, Jonathan Stickel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: I just called Mike to see if I could help him quickly by phone. It seems like his home directory has disappeared, and he says a file system check did not fix things. This is probably outside the scope of my expertise. Is someone able to help him? Jonathan Michael Siminitus wrote: 1- Michael Siminitus, [address, phone removed] â call anytime -ASAP please 2- see full specs at: http://support.gateway.com/s/Mobile/Gateway/200ARC/3501609sp83.shtml 2- Mandrake 10. 3- I cannot log on, except as root or the new user I created. The error I keep getting is: * There was an error setting up inter-process communications for KDE. The message returned by the system was: Could not read network connection list. //.DCOPserver_localhost_0 Please check that the âdcopserverâ program is running 4- sorry, it's on my laptop and I can't retype that whole thing. 5- I have a paper trapped in the machine I need to turn in tomorrow. I don't know if it is possible, but it would be GREAT if I could bring the laptop to someone tomorrow morning who could help out. ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Apt-get vs. Dselect
On Fri 11 Mar 05, 10:11 AM, Bob Scofield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Friday 11 March 2005 09:54, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: > > On Fri 11 Mar 05, 9:44 AM, Mark K. Kim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > `dselect` is a TUI front-end to `apt-get`. > > > > > > Rick Moen recommends using `aptitude` instead of `dselect` but I just > > > can't get used to the interface. > > > > That's because you're not using it the right way. :-) Try doing whatever > > you normally do with apt-get, but do "s/apt-get/aptitude/g". In other > > words: > > All I know is that I was overwhelmed by aptitude. I'm told to put a + or - No, no, no. You didn't read my email. Do this: aptitude install gworldclock Now do this: aptitude remove gworldclock If you actually do this example (as opposed to just reading), you'll understand very quickly. Pete ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Apt-get vs. Dselect
On Friday 11 March 2005 10:11 am, Bob Scofield wrote: > All I know is that I was overwhelmed by aptitude. I'm told to put a + or - > next to a package, but I'm given 14,000 plus packages to look at. I much > prefer apt-get. If I was interested in learning what packages were available > I'd probably bring up a browser and check out the relevant package category > on the debian website, and then bring up a terminal window and apt-get what I > wanted. But I realize that I do things differently. What about Synaptic? http://www.nongnu.org/synaptic/. It comes with Ubuntu and seems to be very capable and easy to use. -- Rod ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Apt-get vs. Dselect
On Friday 11 March 2005 09:54, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: > On Fri 11 Mar 05, 9:44 AM, Mark K. Kim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > `dselect` is a TUI front-end to `apt-get`. > > > > Rick Moen recommends using `aptitude` instead of `dselect` but I just > > can't get used to the interface. > > That's because you're not using it the right way. :-) Try doing whatever > you normally do with apt-get, but do "s/apt-get/aptitude/g". In other > words: All I know is that I was overwhelmed by aptitude. I'm told to put a + or - next to a package, but I'm given 14,000 plus packages to look at. I much prefer apt-get. If I was interested in learning what packages were available I'd probably bring up a browser and check out the relevant package category on the debian website, and then bring up a terminal window and apt-get what I wanted. But I realize that I do things differently. The one thing we can all agree on is that the whole apt thing is *really* nice. I was wishing SuSE would set up apt. But then I realized that it's not within the interests of commercial distributions to allow the Debian type upgrading. (See Ken Boom's answer to my Debian upgrade question on Vox.) Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Apt-get vs. Dselect
On Fri 11 Mar 05, 9:44 AM, Mark K. Kim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > `dselect` is a TUI front-end to `apt-get`. > > Rick Moen recommends using `aptitude` instead of `dselect` but I just > can't get used to the interface. That's because you're not using it the right way. :-) Try doing whatever you normally do with apt-get, but do "s/apt-get/aptitude/g". In other words: aptitude update aptitude install wonderpackage aptitude remove --purge badpackage aptitude dist-upgrade etc. > Then again, I don't like `dselect`'s Amen to that! Pete > interface either. Someone really needs to fix the key bindings in both > programs. > > -Mark > > > On Fri, 11 Mar 2005, Bob Scofield wrote: > > > I'm trying to do a little reading about apt-get when I have the time. Every > > once and awhile I see a reference to dselect. Sometimes I get the > > impression > > that apt-get has superceded dselect, and sometimes I get the impression that > > dselect does things that apt-get doesn't. My question is this: is there a > > good reason for an apt-get user to use dselect? > > > > Thank you. > > > > Bob > > ___ > > vox-tech mailing list > > vox-tech@lists.lugod.org > > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech > > > > -- > Mark K. Kim > AIM: markus kimius > Homepage: http://www.cbreak.org/ > Xanga: http://www.xanga.com/vindaci > Friendster: http://www.friendster.com/user.php?uid=13046 > PGP key fingerprint: 7324 BACA 53AD E504 A76E 5167 6822 94F0 F298 5DCE > PGP key available on the homepage > ___ > vox-tech mailing list > vox-tech@lists.lugod.org > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech -- Save Star Trek Enterprise from extinction: http://www.saveenterprise.com GPG Fingerprint: B9F1 6CF3 47C4 7CD8 D33E 70A9 A3B9 1945 67EA 951D ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Re: please help
Short on details. Did someone tell him that his home directory is almost certainly safe and sound? He may be freaking out. I know that I would. Is /home on its own partition? Do we have output of "mount"? Maybe it's as simple as a KDE thing. Has he tried to log in on the console? Do we have dmesg output? What happens when he tries to manually mount /home? Pete On Fri 11 Mar 05, 9:13 AM, Jonathan Stickel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I just called Mike to see if I could help him quickly by phone. It > seems like his home directory has disappeared, and he says a file system > check did not fix things. This is probably outside the scope of my > expertise. Is someone able to help him? > > Jonathan > > > Michael Siminitus wrote: > >1- Michael Siminitus, [address, phone removed] â call anytime -ASAP > >please > > > >2- see full specs at: > >http://support.gateway.com/s/Mobile/Gateway/200ARC/3501609sp83.shtml > > > >2- Mandrake 10. > > > >3- I cannot log on, except as root or the new user I created. The error > >I keep getting is: > >* There was an error setting up inter-process communications for KDE. > >The message returned by the system was: > >Could not read network connection list. > >//.DCOPserver_localhost_0 > >Please check that the âdcopserverâ program is running > > > >4- sorry, it's on my laptop and I can't retype that whole thing. > > > >5- I have a paper trapped in the machine I need to turn in tomorrow. I > >don't know if it is possible, but it would be GREAT if I could bring the > >laptop to someone tomorrow morning who could help out. > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > vox-tech mailing list > vox-tech@lists.lugod.org > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech -- Save Star Trek Enterprise from extinction: http://www.saveenterprise.com GPG Fingerprint: B9F1 6CF3 47C4 7CD8 D33E 70A9 A3B9 1945 67EA 951D ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Apt-get vs. Dselect
`dselect` is a TUI front-end to `apt-get`. Rick Moen recommends using `aptitude` instead of `dselect` but I just can't get used to the interface. Then again, I don't like `dselect`'s interface either. Someone really needs to fix the key bindings in both programs. -Mark On Fri, 11 Mar 2005, Bob Scofield wrote: > I'm trying to do a little reading about apt-get when I have the time. Every > once and awhile I see a reference to dselect. Sometimes I get the impression > that apt-get has superceded dselect, and sometimes I get the impression that > dselect does things that apt-get doesn't. My question is this: is there a > good reason for an apt-get user to use dselect? > > Thank you. > > Bob > ___ > vox-tech mailing list > vox-tech@lists.lugod.org > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech > -- Mark K. Kim AIM: markus kimius Homepage: http://www.cbreak.org/ Xanga: http://www.xanga.com/vindaci Friendster: http://www.friendster.com/user.php?uid=13046 PGP key fingerprint: 7324 BACA 53AD E504 A76E 5167 6822 94F0 F298 5DCE PGP key available on the homepage ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Apt-get vs. Dselect
I'm trying to do a little reading about apt-get when I have the time. Every once and awhile I see a reference to dselect. Sometimes I get the impression that apt-get has superceded dselect, and sometimes I get the impression that dselect does things that apt-get doesn't. My question is this: is there a good reason for an apt-get user to use dselect? Thank you. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Re: please help
I just called Mike to see if I could help him quickly by phone. It seems like his home directory has disappeared, and he says a file system check did not fix things. This is probably outside the scope of my expertise. Is someone able to help him? Jonathan Michael Siminitus wrote: 1- Michael Siminitus, [address, phone removed] – call anytime -ASAP please 2- see full specs at: http://support.gateway.com/s/Mobile/Gateway/200ARC/3501609sp83.shtml 2- Mandrake 10. 3- I cannot log on, except as root or the new user I created. The error I keep getting is: * There was an error setting up inter-process communications for KDE. The message returned by the system was: Could not read network connection list. //.DCOPserver_localhost_0 Please check that the “dcopserver” program is running 4- sorry, it's on my laptop and I can't retype that whole thing. 5- I have a paper trapped in the machine I need to turn in tomorrow. I don't know if it is possible, but it would be GREAT if I could bring the laptop to someone tomorrow morning who could help out. ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
