Re: [vox-tech] Funny characters in aterm on kubuntu
Additional info. Its weird, when I do [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ env | egrep '^LC|LANG' LANG=en_US.UTF-8 LANGUAGE=en in my regular xterm, I'm set to UTF-8. But everything works fine. When I go and: export LANG=en.ISO-8859-1 in my aterm I run man, and things display correctly but I get an error man: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct Reformatting bash(1), please wait... thanks Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Funny characters in aterm on kubuntu
Aterm may not support Unicode. xterm does. export LANG=en.ISO-8859-1 in my aterm I run man, and things display correctly but I get an error man: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct Reformatting bash(1), please wait... This can be reconfigured by running dpkg-reconfigure locales and selecting the appropriate locales to generate. --Ken Thanks Ken, As an English speaker reader, what do I lose by not having unicode support? Thanks Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Funny characters in aterm on kubuntu
Some people's names, particularly in Debian changelogs, with diacritics may not show properly. Of course the advantage is that links, links2 and elinks all look much nicer when you're not in UTF-8 for some reason. --Ken Thanks again Ken I did as you said and recompiled my locales. aterm works fine now. I'll keep things set to use LANG=en_US.ISO-8859-1, hopefully everything will continue to work. thanks Jay ps. I wish kmail would reply to the list as well as to the other as a default. I keep having to resend to the list ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Funny characters in aterm on kubuntu
Hi all, I'm running Kubuntu breezy. I've installed aterm [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ aterm -V aterm version 0.4.2 When I use man or perldoc I get funny characters in the output. Most (99%) of the output is normal but ever so often there is a funny character embedded in the output. It seems like it happens mostly (but not exclusively) at the end of a line. Regular xterm outputs perfectly. Can anyone suggest some things to try to fix this? Thanks Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Funny characters in aterm on kubuntu
Sounds like probably an encoding problem. What character set does aterm expect to be using? UTF-8? Most manpages assume ISO-8859-1, I believe. What is the output of ( env | egrep '^LC|LANG' )? -- Micah J. Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ env | egrep '^LC|LANG' LANG=en_US.UTF-8 LANGUAGE=en So what would you suggest trying? Thanks Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] [OT] Pumping a password using Expect
On Thursday 05 January 2006 7:33 pm, timriley wrote: then capture those SQL statements and send them to sqlplus. Not to change the scope of your project, but why would you do it using sqlplus, as opposed to DBI? You could avoid the whole login issue and probably get better performance. Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Kmail Question
On Thursday 17 November 2005 1:56 am, Bill Kendrick wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 06:27:42PM -0600, Jay Strauss wrote: Do you know how to change the font (I see) while composing a letter? Under Settings-Configure KMail..., go to the Appearance section's Fonts tab. It looks as though you'll need to enable Use custom fonts. Under Apply to, select Composer, and set the font/size you want. Hope that helps! (FYI - I don't use KMail... I use Mutt and, at work, Mozilla Mail) Thanks Bill, I'm new to KDE (and kmail), I'm having a hard time finding my way around configuration. Things don't seem to be were I expect them Thanks again Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Kmail Question
On Monday 14 November 2005 4:16 pm, Micah J. Cowan wrote: It's what I've switched back to. It has its problems, but it's my favorite thus far. I like the spell checker as you go (plus good dictionary and suggestions). I like the bold red highlighting of misspelled words. good hotkeying, I like how lf/rt arrows take you to the next message, and up down scroll within a message The message sorting seems kinda funky. Do you know how to change the font (I see) while composing a letter? Thanks Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Kmail Question
You should try Thunderbird. It kinda sucks too :) JayOn 11/14/05, Micah J. Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Nov 13, 2005 at 01:26:21AM -0800, Richard Harke wrote: On Sun November 13 2005 00:55, Richard Harke wrote: Kmail normally expects its mail directory to be the users home directory/Mail Is there some way to set to something else? I want to use it with a jump drive under Knoppix. Well, duh! Just use a soft link.Should have googled first. RichardStill not very flexible, if you ask me. I recently gave up on KMail after numerous issues with it; primarily that sometimes it would just...stop working.Actually, I have yet to find a GUI email client for Linux that I like.But I need to use them for HTML-based emails that I receive at work. :-(-Micah___vox-tech mailing listvox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] replacing firefox 1.0 with firefox 1.06
Chris Horsting wrote: I used a script. Chris, take it from someone who has learned the lesson first hand, provide detail to your questions. Including (but not limited to): Distro and version an accurate description of the steps you took and the results If you do not show that you took the time and the effort to give someone a chance to help, they won't give you the effort in return. I suspect that anyone on this list that can help you (which excuses me) needs to know: 1) what linux distribution you are running 2) what version 3) did you use some sort of package like and rpm or deb, or from source 4) did you write this script you talked about (which I doubt), or did it come this the code you installed 5) where did the new version get installed, where is the old version 6) what's your path HTH Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] sshd_config and PasswordAuthentication
No. The authentication is handled by SSH using the public/private keypair. The system password itself isn't involved in the authentication at all. It's possible to have users whose remote passwords are unknown or disabled by this method. This is the case for a number of remote hosts I access regularly. Peace. Karsten, I apologize, I didn't realize I hadn't responded. Thanks for all the info. I think you are talking about passwordless authentication, ie public/private keypair, where once it's setup, all I have to do is logon to boxA then can ssh to boxB without typing a password. I've done this on a number of my boxes (currently and in the past). I didn't realize that PasswordAuthentication was related to the above. I thought you were telling me that when this is set to no then I still type my password, then some magic happens, and I login to the remote box but I never send my password down the line. thanks Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] WiFi Part II
David Hummel wrote: On Thu, Jul 21, 2005 at 09:45:59AM -0700, William Andrew wrote: So I have tried lots of places and messed with lots of settings to no avail. That brings up Jonathan's comment : you may need to get a different card. Now if I were to look for the Ideal WiFi card for a ThinkPad T22 running FedoraCore what would I go looking for? What is the best Linux interface? There really isn't a best. There are varying degrees of support for different cards. Some cards just work. I've always prefered Orinoco (Lucent/Agere) cards, or Prism-based cards. If you want I have an Orinoco Silver I'd be willing to part with. -David ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech I would definitely make sure you know which type of encryption you will be using. I have a Prism based card (built-in) to my thinkpad and am able to orinoco and wpa_supplicant on it to connect to wep and wpa based networks (respectively). Aethos based cards use madwifi (I think) for wpa. Make sure you buy a card who's chip someone has made drivers for Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] sshd_config and PasswordAuthentication
What's wrong with PasswordAuthentication in a nutshell is, in order to authenticate yourself, both you and the destination host know your password. But, even if I have this set to no, and I do an interactive login, then both me and the remote box need to know my password. public/private keys avoid the above issue. But I dont' see how setting PasswordAuthentication yes accomplishes the above. Obviously I'm missing something. I'm going to go reread the thread Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Matching Contents of Lists
Micah J. Cowan wrote:
On Wed, Jul 06, 2005 at 03:08:38PM -0700, Lango, Trevor M. wrote:
I have two lists, not necessarily of the same length. List #1 has two
columns. List #2 has one column. I would like to do the following:
Scan list #1 line by line. If a match for column #1 in list #1 is found
in list #2, extract the matching lines and put them in a new list (#3).
Otherwise, leave the contents of lists #1 and #2 as they are.
If I expected the contents of the first column of each list to match
exactly (character for character) - this would be a simple task with C++
or the like. However, the contents will not necessarily be perfectly
identical. I do believe they are nearly identical enough though to use
pattern matching via Perl or the like. Personally this is difficult for
me (as a Perl noob), I know how to scan through a file for a
pre-determined pattern - I don't understand how to scan through a file
for a pattern that is essentially given by a line in another file...? I
have not found anything in my reading of Perl documentation that
explains how to read a file and use its contents as an argument for the
pattern to search for in another file (suggestions on excellent Perl doc
sources appreciated also!).
Perl allows you to build up a regex pattern in a scalar, and then use
that scalar to match against a string. For instance:
@words = qw( foo bar );
$pattern = join('|', @words);
$line =~ $pattern; # Does $line match 'foo|bar'?
I'm not sure if this is actually the most useful mechanism for what you
want, though.
This is what the contents of the lists may look like:
TALL0047A
TAL0047A
TAL047A
TAL47A
TA0047A
TA047A
TA47A
T0047A
T047A
T47A
T0047
T047
T47
Examples of matching:
TALL0047ATALL047Amatch
TALL0047ATAL0047A not a match
TALL0047ATAL0470A not a match
The contents will always be one to four alpha characters followed by one
to four numeric characters possibly followed by one or two alpha
characters.
A match would be defined as the following criteria being met:
- The last one to four digits being identical (excluding leading zeroes)
- The first one to four letters being identical
It is not entirely clear to me what role the final 'A' character has in
determining a match. However, I would recommend the following alogirthm.
First, you will need to create a comparison function, that will return
an integer less than, greater than, or equal to zero depending on
whether its first argument compares lexically less than, greater than,
or equal to its second argument. This function should match based on
your rules given above, and is meant as an analog for the cmp and =
operators.
Next, sort both lists. Start with an index into the first element of
list 1 ($i), and an index into the first element of list 2 ($j).
If $list_one[$i] compares equal to $list_two[$j], you have your match:
remove that element from both lists, and append it to the new one.
If $list_one[$i] compares less than $list_two[$j], then advance $i and
compare again.
If $list_one[$i] compares greater than $list_two[$j], then advance $j
and compare again.
If either $i or $j falls off the end, you are done. This algorithm
has linear complexity-- O(N), where N is the number of elements in the
longer of the two lists. Not counting the complexity involved for
whatever sort algorithm you use. If you use Perl's sort function, you'll
get linearithmic time (N log N).
Test the hell outta your code before relying upon it. :-)
HTH,
Micah
Won't this just match identical records, and not account for his
matching rules? Seems like this is just a programmatic SQL join
Jay
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Re: [vox-tech] Matching Contents of Lists
Examples of matching: TALL0047ATALL047Amatch TALL0047ATAL0047A not a match TALL0047ATAL0470A not a match The contents will always be one to four alpha characters followed by one to four numeric characters possibly followed by one or two alpha characters. A match would be defined as the following criteria being met: - The last one to four digits being identical (excluding leading zeroes) - The first one to four letters being identical I think your rules need more flushing out because based on your rules you can get many entries in list 1 to match a single entry in list 2 TALL0047ATALL047Amatch TALL0047ATAL0047A not a match Based on your rules above, TALL0047A and TAL0047A do in fact match Are you really saying: From both items remove trailing alphas take the last 4 digits remove any leading zeros if the remaining digits match from both items move on to the front of the string if the leading alphas match (i.e. have the same length and same sequence) then you have a full match Do the strings always start with alphas? Or are there sometimes numerics within the first 1-4 characters? Is there stuff between the leading and ending portions, such that the entries may be more than 10 characters long? Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Matching Contents of Lists
Lango, Trevor M. wrote:
First I apologize for the lame reply format - I am forced to use Microsoft Outlook Web Access (shudder) at work and wouldn't you know - it doesn't offer any options for mail format...?
Based on your rules above, TALL0047A and TAL0047A do in fact match
No, actually - however many characters are present in each have to match. If
the number of alpha characters in the first set of each field in the two lists
differ - no match.
Are you really saying:
From both items
remove trailing alphas
No. If trailing alphas are present they must also match.
take the last 4 digits
remove any leading zeros
Yes.
Do the strings always start with alphas? Or are there sometimes numerics
within the first 1-4 characters?
Yes - always start with alphas.
Is there stuff between the leading and ending portions, such that the
entries may be more than 10 characters long?
There will never be more than 4 leading alphas, 5 numerics, and 2 trailing
alphas.
So if, the string always starts with alphas, followed by digits,
followed (optionally) by alphas, and the digits must match when leading
zeros are removed then you could:
# here is one method (as always there are many ways to do it)
# read each file, parse the sections of each str, put those in a hash
# then compare the hashs, deleting the keys when you get a match
use strict;
my (@new, %file1, %file2);
open (FILE, file1);
while (FILE) {
my $key = join(,parse($_));
$file1{$key} = $_;
}
close (FILE);
open (FILE, file2);
while (FILE) {
my $key = join(,parse($_));
$file2{$key} = $_;
}
close (FILE);
my %tmp = %file1;
while (my ($key,$value) = each %tmp) {
if (defined $file2{$key}) {
delete $file1{$key};
delete $file2{$key};
push @new, $value;
}
}
print matching\n;
print join(\n, @new),\n;
print in file1 but not file2\n;
print join(\n, sort values %file1),\n;
print in file2 but not file1\n;
print join(\n, sort values %file2),\n;
sub parse {
my $str = $_[0];
# Capture the parts, leading alpha, followed by n digits,
# followed optionally by alphas
$str =~ /([a-zA-Z]+)(\d+)([a-zA-Z]+)?/;
my @str = ($1,$2,$3); # put the matches back into an array
$str[1] =~ s/^0+//; # strip leading 0s from digit portion
return @str;
}
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Re: [vox-tech] Matching Contents of Lists
Of course, this could have been: my (@str) = $str =~ /([a-zA-Z]+)(\d+)([a-zA-Z]+)?/; eliminating the need to refer specifically to the positional variables. Absolutely, though it might be obfuscated to the OP $str[1] =~ s/^0+//; # strip leading 0s from digit portion Personally, I typically use $str[1] += 0, but obviously that's a style thing. Clever, never thought (probably never would have either) to do it that way. ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Matching Contents of Lists
Micah J. Cowan wrote: On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 10:28:00AM -0500, Jay Strauss wrote: Micah J. Cowan wrote: snip First, you will need to create a comparison function, that will return an integer less than, greater than, or equal to zero depending on whether its first argument compares lexically less than, greater than, or equal to its second argument. This function should match based on your rules given above, and is meant as an analog for the cmp and = operators. snip Won't this just match identical records, and not account for his matching rules? Seems like this is just a programmatic SQL join (Read the above paragraph). I didn't really know what you meant by lexically. I thought you might be saying: return -1 if $a lt $b; return 0 if $a eq $b; return 1 if $a gt $b; But I now understand, you want to build sophisticated comparison, maybe even character by character, to determine -1,0,1. Seems hard, but you've probably already boiled it down to a one-liner :) Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] sshd_config and PasswordAuthentication
Hi, I have a sveasoft box, and in order to ssh from the sveasoft to a target box, the target box must have PasswordAuthentication yes in the /etc/ssh/sshd_config file. I don't understand what that config option actually does. The config file has: # To disable tunneled clear text passwords, change to no here! Does this mean you can send clear text passwords to login? Does this mean that when you build a tunnel, passwords are sent clear text to the forwarded app? Since I'm on Sarge, and debian seems to be security conscious as a default is setting this to yes a security risk? Thanks Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] sshd_config and PasswordAuthentication
No, SSH never passes password across the net in cleartext. They are sent to the remote host when using this option, which means that unless you have a different password for each host, a malicious remote administrator could capture your password and then use if to compromise your other accounts. Feeling a bit stupid but I still don't understand what you mean If I ssh from A to sveasoft - the password is encrypted If I then ssh from sveasoft to C - the password is cleartext? With PasswordAuthentication set to no, SSH-key authentication must be used instead of a password. This method uses public/private key pairs created by ssh-keygen(1) to authenticate. This is generally considered more secure than tunneled-password authencation for reasons than someone else can explaim better than I can. This is what I thought that option did, but I have PasswordAuthentication no on most of my boxes but don't use a key pair to log in. I get prompted for a password and I type that in, and I'm logged on. Thanks Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] sshd_config and PasswordAuthentication
Micah J. Cowan wrote: On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 10:57:53AM -0500, Jay Strauss wrote: No, SSH never passes password across the net in cleartext. They are sent to the remote host when using this option, which means that unless you have a different password for each host, a malicious remote administrator could capture your password and then use if to compromise your other accounts. Feeling a bit stupid but I still don't understand what you mean If I ssh from A to sveasoft - the password is encrypted If I then ssh from sveasoft to C - the password is cleartext? No. The ssh password is always tunneled, but it's tunnelled cleartext. This means that a sysadmin at sveasoft could rig their sshd to capture the cleartext password to a file, and they could then use it at other sites where you use the same password. Note that before you ssh'd in, they don't have your password unencrypted: they have a password hash. I feel I'm going a little round and round here Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you saying simply is that the data that comes out of the far side of the tunnel is clear text? ie: me --ssh/encrypted -- sveasoft -- tunnel/cleartext -- box C BTW, sveasoft is just my own linksys router (at home) running a different firmware, you could substitute any linux box in for the sveasoft But if I ssh to a box that has PasswordAuthentication yes, but then just do vi and other admin tasks, nothing is clear text between the 2 computers, including (most importantly) my password. The tunneling bit I'm not too worried about. Furthermore if I, from the ssh session into my router, in turn ssh to another box, everything from box router - c is encrypted, right? Jay Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] I'm out of space on /
Thanks Karsten Actually, /var, /home, and /usr are on separate partitions (I think I deleted them in the interest of the email) hydrogen:/# df -h FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda1 133M 111M 15M 89% / tmpfs 189M 4.0K 189M 1% /dev/shm /dev/hda8 27G 1.4G 24G 6% /home /dev/hda7 361M 8.1M 334M 3% /tmp /dev/hda5 4.6G 905M 3.5G 21% /usr /dev/hda6 2.8G 115M 2.6G 5% /var fe:/home 50G 16G 32G 34% /mnt/fe/home I'll follow your guide when I repartition (eminently) Jay Karsten M. Self wrote: on Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 11:28:01PM -0500, Jay Strauss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hi, I was trying to install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686, on debian sarge. But I'm getting: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686_2.6.8-16 _i386.deb (--unpack): failed in buffer_write(fd) (8, ret=-1): backend dpkg-deb during `./lib/modules/ 2.6.8-2-686/kernel/sound/pci/trident/snd-trident-synth.ko': No space left on device I don't know what's taking up space and what I can delete. I did a hydrogen:/# du -hxs * 2.7Mbin 8.3Mboot 0 cdrom 88K dev 6.9Metc 1.0Kinitrd 0 initrd.img 79M lib 12K lost+found 3.0Kmedia 6.0Kmnt 385Mproc 3.3Mroot 3.6Msbin 1.0Ksrv 0 sys 13K tmp 0 vmlinuz That's part of the answer. You need to specify your filesystems too. If you're running a single filesysytem, the above is comprehensie. Looks like you're missing /var and /usr from there. 'df -h' is what you want to show. In my case we'd see: FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda2 228M 196M 21M 91% / tmpfs 475M 4.0K 475M 1% /dev/shm /dev/hda1 38M 28M 8.8M 76% /boot /dev/hda9 259M 154M 106M 60% /tmp /dev/hda10 1004M 818M 187M 82% /var /dev/hda113.0G 2.8G 143M 96% /usr /dev/hda12 1004M 493M 512M 50% /usr/local /dev/hda13 12G 11G 742M 94% /home (I like lots of partitions ;-) To track down specific filesystem usage, I like: du -sx * | sort -nr ...which will sort utilization of directories (and files) within the current directory. Going down the subdirectories tends to be pretty fast due to disk caching. A really nice graphical utility for identifying where storage issues exist is 'filelight': http://www.methylblue.com/filelight/ ...which shows usage graphically, allows drilling down to see what specifically is using space. My current partitioning recommendations are here: http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/NixPartitioning Now I'm a bit afraid to reboot my machine, for fear its been left in a damaged state. Should only be the new kernel that's not properly installed. Since its installation didn't complete, you shouldn't have to worry about it. Bootable disks (Knoppix, LNX-BBC, DSL, etc.) will pretty much always get you back into your system even if you've mucked something up badly. Peace. ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] I'm out of space on /
I'd agree with a larger root partition Jay Karsten M. Self wrote: on Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 05:06:20AM -0700, Shwaine ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun, 26 Jun 2005, Jay Strauss wrote: hydrogen:/# du -hxs * 2.7Mbin 8.3Mboot 0 cdrom 88K dev 6.9Metc 1.0Kinitrd 0 initrd.img 79M lib This suggests a couple of kernels. Current (2.6) kernels are running ~40 MiB in modules. You can spare space by: - Deleting unused kernels. - Copying older kernel's modules to an alternate location and linking them back. Kernel won't be bootable, but you'll be able to undo the damage if necessary. If you use an initrd to load boot-required drivers, this actually *will* work. - Compiling your own kernel with only necessary modules. SCSI, ISDN, bluetooth, telephony, atm, and many network drivers can be dropped for considerable savings. Alternatively, you could copy driver trees not needed at boot to another partition and symlink them back. Post-boot, module loads will work. Because of kernel bloat, I'm currently recommending a minimum of ~150, and preferably ~250 MiB+ for root. snip 385Mproc On Mon, 27 Jun 2005, Jay Strauss wrote: hydrogen:/# df -h FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda1 133M 107M 19M 86% / tmpfs 189M 4.0K 189M 1% /dev/shm /dev/hda8 27G 1.4G 24G 6% /home /dev/hda7 361M 8.1M 334M 3% /tmp /dev/hda5 4.6G 821M 3.6G 19% /usr /dev/hda6 2.8G 113M 2.6G 5% /var fe:/home 50G 16G 32G 34% /mnt/fe/home Off the bat a few things popped at me... first double-check the size on /proc. That seems a bit high, particularly given your second email that says the partition is not even that large. /proc is a virtual filesystem, it doesn't exist. Most files in it report a filesize of zero. The exceptions are any symlinks (always report a size of 1), and /proc/kcore, which reports memory size. From which, we can assume Jay's got 386MB RAM on his box. If you have a rogue process chewing up disk space, you'll want to solve that first. Second, also check the inodes available with df -i just in case this is a case of inode exhaustion instead of disk space. Good suggestion but doesn't seem to fit the data as presented. My final thought is to look through /lib and see if you need all the libraries you have installed as it seems to be the lion's share of the partition. My lib directory is about half the size of yours, but I tend to be minimalistic with my installations. You've likely only got one kernel installed. ...and for comparison, local partitions, and root FS sizes: FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda2 228M 196M 21M 91% / tmpfs 475M 4.0K 475M 1% /dev/shm /dev/hda1 38M 28M 8.8M 76% /boot /dev/hda9 259M 197M 63M 76% /tmp /dev/hda10 1004M 820M 185M 82% /var /dev/hda113.0G 2.8G 143M 96% /usr /dev/hda12 1004M 493M 512M 50% /usr/local /dev/hda13 12G 11G 720M 94% /home And root utilization: # du -s bin dev etc lib root sbin 4364 bin 95 dev 34960 etc 115593 lib 33286 root 4909sbin Peace. ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] I'm out of space on /
Off the bat a few things popped at me... first double-check the size on /proc. That seems a bit high, particularly given your second email that says the partition is not even that large. I reran and got the same: 0 20 2.7Mbin 13M boot 0 cdrom 88K dev 6.9Metc 1.4Ghome 1.0Kinitrd 0 initrd.img 0 initrd.img.old 1.0Kl20 80M lib 12K lost+found 2.0Kmedia 6.0Kmnt du: `proc/3077/task': No such file or directory du: `proc/3077/fd': No such file or directory 385Mproc 390Kroot 3.6Msbin 1.0Ksrv 0 sys 24K tmp 873Musr 83M var 0 vmlinuz 0 vmlinuz.old I dont' know if I have a rouge process. Not even sure how to go about looking for it. I did a ps -ef, and everything (virtually) is regarding X and KDE, I just rebooted the box. If you have a rogue process chewing up disk space, you'll want to solve that first. Second, also check the inodes available with df -i just in case this is a case of inode exhaustion instead of disk space. I'm ok on inodes hydrogen:/# df -i FilesystemInodes IUsed IFree IUse% Mounted on /dev/hda1 72288 11318 60970 16% / tmpfs 48280 3 482771% /dev/shm /dev/hda83541440 19689 35217511% /home /dev/hda7 192768 43 1927251% /tmp /dev/hda5 610432 43762 5666708% /usr /dev/hda6 3665282858 3636701% /var fe:/home 65536008424 65451761% /mnt/fe/home My final thought is to look through /lib and see if you need all the libraries you have installed as it seems to be the lion's share of the partition. I did go thru my /lib directory yesterday and deleted some unused stuff, and that freed up enough space to allow me to install the new kernel thansk Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] I'm out of space on /
Thanks Rick, unfortunately that's not the prob. I'm not out of space on var (since var is a different filesystem) hydrogen:/# df -h FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda1 133M 107M 19M 86% / tmpfs 189M 4.0K 189M 1% /dev/shm /dev/hda8 27G 1.4G 24G 6% /home /dev/hda7 361M 8.1M 334M 3% /tmp /dev/hda5 4.6G 821M 3.6G 19% /usr /dev/hda6 2.8G 113M 2.6G 5% /var fe:/home 50G 16G 32G 34% /mnt/fe/home I'm out of space on /. and the install is trying to write to /lib dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686_2.6.8-16_i386.deb (--unpack): failed in buffer_write(fd) (8, ret=-1): backend dpkg-deb during `./lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/drivers/video/console/fbcon.ko': No space left on device Will moving the contents of lib somewhere else, like /usr/mylib and soft linking /lib-/usr/mylib work as a workaround? Will my machine be able to boot correctly? Thanks Jay Rick Moen wrote: I did a hydrogen:/# du -hxs * I suspect that including x sabotaged your intent, there, since, if memory serves, it limits the report to subdirectories on just the one filesystem you happen to specify, and omits all others. So, if your current directory at that time -- which I gather must have been the root directory -- was on a filesystem didn't include /var, then the report wouldn't tell you anything about that subtree. If my guess is correct about the package cache, you might just make a point of using one of the apt commands to clean out the cache on occasion. Note that some of the higher-level tools (that call apt-get) will take care of that housekeeping for you. ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] I'm out of space on /
that worked, I deleted some of the old 2.6.8 libs and my /root/.mozilla
and was able to install the new kernel.
Now I guess I'm going to have to rearrange things to get more space
Jay
Rick Moen wrote:
Quoting Jay Strauss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
I'm out of space on /. and the install is trying to write to /lib
[...]
Will moving the contents of lib somewhere else, like /usr/mylib and soft
linking /lib-/usr/mylib work as a workaround? Will my machine be able
to boot correctly?
I see no reason why not -- but personally I'd find some other
(long-term) solution.
Certain trees are part of the root filesystem for a very good reason,
and /lib is one of them. The contents are libraries too critical to
system booting, maintenance, and recovery to be included in /usr/lib:
They're the ones you need available even if /usr cannot be mounted at
all.
Things that might more reasonably be moved off the root filesystem
include /boot, /home, /opt, /usr, and /var.
In your shoes I might move /lib off the root filesystem _briefly_ --
just long enough to give me enough free space on the root filesystem to
craft a better long-term solution. (By preference, I would do that from
a bootable maintenance disk such as an LNX-BBC, Tom's Root-Boot, or
Knoppix disk.)
You may also find the following Perl script (largest20) useful, in
getting you some breathing room: It finds and lists the biggest 20
files in the current directory or any subdirectory -- and can be
re-found as http://linuxmafia.com/pub/linux/utilities-general/largest20:
#!/usr/bin/perl -w
# You can alternatively just do:
# find . -xdev -type f -print0 | xargs -r0 ls -l | sort -rn +4 | head -20
use File::Find;
@ARGV = $ENV{ PWD } unless @ARGV;
find ( sub { $size{ $File::Find::name } = -s if -f; }, @ARGV );
@sorted = sort { $size{ $b } = $size{ $a } } keys %size;
splice @sorted, 20 if @sorted 20;
printf %10d %s\n, $size{$_}, $_ for @sorted
If you can't find a way to reduce the contents of / down to comfortable
levels, I would strongly urge repartitioning your system -- since
running out of space on / is a serious problem. Use one of the
aforementioned maintenance boot disks, then use one of the methods
detailed in Copying Directory Trees on http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Admin
to copy the contents of each filesystem to be re-created over to a
second system on your LAN. Then, umount, use fdisk/cfdisk, mkfs.*, and
copy the contents back.
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[vox-tech] I'm out of space on /
Hi, I was trying to install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686, on debian sarge. But I'm getting: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686_2.6.8-16 _i386.deb (--unpack): failed in buffer_write(fd) (8, ret=-1): backend dpkg-deb during `./lib/modules/ 2.6.8-2-686/kernel/sound/pci/trident/snd-trident-synth.ko': No space left on device I don't know what's taking up space and what I can delete. I did a hydrogen:/# du -hxs * 2.7Mbin 8.3Mboot 0 cdrom 88K dev 6.9Metc 1.0Kinitrd 0 initrd.img 79M lib 12K lost+found 3.0Kmedia 6.0Kmnt 385Mproc 3.3Mroot 3.6Msbin 1.0Ksrv 0 sys 13K tmp 0 vmlinuz Now I'm a bit afraid to reboot my machine, for fear its been left in a damaged state. Suggestions please Thanks Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Apt-get Error Message
Bob Scofield wrote: I keep getting this error message, and was wondering (1) whether it's something I should try to fix; and (2) how to fix it if I should. Does anybody have any ideas on this? Here's the message: debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Kde debconf: (Can't locate Qt.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/FrontEnd/Kde/Wizard.pm line 7.) debconf: falling back to frontend: Dialog Thank you. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech looks like you need to install QT.pm (which is a perl module), probably by doing aptitude install libqt-perl Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] $display not set when ssh'ing [solved]
Jay Strauss wrote: Hi, simple question, don't know why it's not working on my machine. On the remote machine in the /etc/ssh/sshd_config I have: X11Forwarding yes X11DisplayOffset 10 set. I've tried ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] ssh -X [EMAIL PROTECTED] ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] But my $DISPLAY is never set. I is set fine on my other machines. I've been a'googling, but I can't find anything else to look for Thanks Jay It helps to have X installed on the system, dummy Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Install windows in linux Red Hat Enterprise
Or qemu: http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/ossupport.html Haven't tried it m'self, plan on looking at it. Bochs too http://bochs.sourceforge.net/ ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] $display not set when ssh'ing
Hi, simple question, don't know why it's not working on my machine. On the remote machine in the /etc/ssh/sshd_config I have: X11Forwarding yes X11DisplayOffset 10 set. I've tried ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] ssh -X [EMAIL PROTECTED] ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] But my $DISPLAY is never set. I is set fine on my other machines. I've been a'googling, but I can't find anything else to look for Thanks Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Install windows in linux Red Hat Enterprise
Stanley Price wrote: In order to run Peachtree, I need to install a windows operating system. When I installed the linux on the hard drive, I have five partitioned sections. Two are: none 95,164, with 0 used, marked dev/shm /dev/hda5 104170, 0 used, marked tmp1 How do I install windows on the system? I am running a 686 AMD processer, (with too little RAM at the moment), and Red Hat Enterprise. Thanks, Stanley Price ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech I'll suggest one other option, just for the heck of it. You could use either VMWare or maybe (big maybe) WINE on the box, that way you don't need to reboot when you want to use the functionality of the other OS Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Raid 1 - Fresh Install - Drives seem slow
I also ran: hdparm -tT /dev/hda, as described in the windows thread by Karsten, and it came in at 28 MB/s Decent, not great. - Does the processor speed have anything to do with I/O performance? Not directly. Processor speed on blocking tasks (encryption, find/sort, compression, decompression) can, however. - What other tests might I run to prove it's slow? You've hit most of it. Clarifying just what you were doing would be helpful. I ran across a bad disk (IIRC Maxtor) which was netting ~100 *KiB*/s last year. This was sufficiently slow that network operations were notably lagged. I confirmed speed issues w/ hdparm and swapped it out for a faster drive for much better performance (60-80 MiB/s). Hi (again): I diff'ed the contents of /proc/ide of Knoppix and Sarge, and I think I may have found the problem: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ diff -r sarge.ide/sis knoppix.ide/sis 10,11c10,11 UDMA Enabled UDMA Enabled UDMA Cycle Time2 CLK UDMA Cycle Time4 CLK --- UDMA Disabled UDMA Disabled UDMA Cycle TimeReservedUDMA Cycle Time Reserved After some Googling and looking at my kernel config file, it seems that SIS support is a module, like so: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SIS5513=m I found this link which talks about my problem http://kerneltrap.org/comment/reply/4925/129324 Looks like I'm going to have to learn how to compile a custom kernel if I want to see if this works Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Raid 1 - Fresh Install - Drives seem slow
Right, 2.4 vs 2.6 kernels handle I/O differently, I don't consider dd a very good measurement of performance since read/writes to raw disk devices (without caches, buffering, ordering, or filesystem) are pretty rare. Oh, so it very well may be an apples to oranges comparison? So Knoppix is configuring something different, I'm searching for the difference I'd point at both the readahead and the large difference in kernel. Right now I'm comparing the contents of /proc/ide/hda from both installs to see if something sticks out. I'll take your word on the readahead and kernel version. If I dont find anything in the contents of /proc/ide/hda, I'll drop the issue Thanks for the help Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Raid 1 - Fresh Install - Drives seem slow
Bill Broadley wrote: Linux by default does not saturate the disk during rebuilds so that users aren't overly impacted. If you want to speed it up tweak the parameters under /proc/sys/dev/raid. You should be able to get close to whatever the hardware is capable of, at the cost of higher loads and more lag. Thanks Bill, yep I know it will rebuild slowly in the background. I hadn't filled in the new info I have since no one had responded, and figured the thread was dead. Here's the deal I just installed a simple raid-1. I have a single HD on each controller. ie. 2 controllers 2 HDs. That's it, no CD players or DVD drives... I did a fresh install of Sarge. After reboot I unplugged the CD drive, and let the array sync overnight. It took 10hrs to sync 160GiB, which seemed pretty long, so I executed the dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/null bs=64k count=1 command I've seen posted on the raid list. It took about a minute and change to complete, which is long. So out of curiosity I plugged in a CD player and booted Knoppix. When I ran the same command it took only 30 seconds (which is still not as quick as some of the numbers on that list, but it's an old celeron 466MHz). So Knoppix is configuring something different, I'm searching for the difference I compared the result hdparm under both OSs Sarge:~# hdparm /dev/hda /dev/hda: multcount= 0 (off) IO_support = 0 (default 16-bit) unmaskirq= 0 (off) using_dma= 1 (on) keepsettings = 0 (off) readonly = 0 (off) readahead= 256 (on) geometry = 19457/255/63, sectors = 312581808, start = 0 knoppix:~# hdparm /dev/hda /dev/hda: multcount= 16 (on) IO_support = 0 (default 16-bit) unmaskirq= 0 (off) using_dma= 1 (on) keepsettings = 0 (off) readonly = 0 (off) readahead= 8 (on) geometry = 19457/255/63, sectors = 312581808, start = 0 so I did a hdparm -m 16 /dev/hda while under Sarge, but it had no effect Now I'm looking thru the differences in dmesg, nothing is sticking out at me, but I'm not sure I'd be able to find the culprit even if was listed. Below is the diff of my 2 dmesg commands if you have an interest in looking at them: Thanks Jay 1c1 Linux version 2.6.8-2-686 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-6)) #1 Mon Jan 24 03:58:38 EST 2005 --- Linux version 2.4.27 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 2.95.4 20011002 (Debian prerelease)) #2 SMP Mo Aug 9 00:39:37 CEST 2004 12,15c12,14 DMA zone: 4096 pages, LIFO batch:1 Normal zone: 10240 pages, LIFO batch:2 HighMem zone: 0 pages, LIFO batch:1 DMI 2.2 present. --- zone(0): 4096 pages. zone(1): 10240 pages. zone(2): 0 pages. 18,19c17 Built 1 zonelists Kernel command line: root=/dev/hda1 ro --- Kernel command line: ramdisk_size=10 init=/etc/init lang=us apm=power-off vga=791 initrd=minirt24.gz nomce quiet BOOT_IMAGE=knoppix BOOT_IMAGE=linux24 desktop=twm 23,35c21,29 PID hash table entries: 256 (order 8: 2048 bytes) Detected 467.789 MHz processor. Using tsc for high-res timesource Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 Dentry cache hash table entries: 8192 (order: 3, 32768 bytes) Inode-cache hash table entries: 4096 (order: 2, 16384 bytes) Memory: 49220k/57344k available (1550k kernel code, 7668k reserved, 688k data, 148k init, 0k highmem) Checking if this processor honours the WP bit even in supervisor mode... Ok. Calibrating delay loop... 919.55 BogoMIPS Security Scaffold v1.0.0 initialized Mount-cache hash table entries: 512 (order: 0, 4096 bytes) CPU: After generic identify, caps: 0183fbff CPU: After vendor identify, caps: 0183fbff --- Detected 467.722 MHz processor. Console: colour dummy device 80x25 Calibrating delay loop... 930.61 BogoMIPS Memory: 52904k/57344k available (1406k kernel code, 4052k reserved, 574k data, 144k init, 0k highmem) Dentry cache hash table entries: 8192 (order: 4, 65536 bytes) Inode cache hash table entries: 4096 (order: 3, 32768 bytes) Mount cache hash table entries: 512 (order: 0, 4096 bytes) Buffer cache hash table entries: 1024 (order: 0, 4096 bytes) Page-cache hash table entries: 16384 (order: 4, 65536 bytes) 38,41c32,33 CPU: After all inits, caps:0183fbff 0040 Intel machine check architecture supported. Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#0. CPU: Intel Celeron (Mendocino) stepping 05 --- CPU: After generic, caps: 0183fbff CPU: Common caps: 0183fbff 43a36,46 Checking for popad bug... OK. POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX mtrr: v1.40 (20010327) Richard Gooch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) mtrr: detected mtrr type: Intel CPU: L1 I cache: 16K, L1 D cache: 16K CPU: L2 cache: 128K CPU: After generic, caps: 0183fbff CPU: Common caps: 0183fbff CPU0: Intel Celeron (Mendocino) stepping 05 per-CPU timeslice cutoff:
[vox-tech] Raid 1 - Fresh Install - Drives seem slow
Hi, I just installed Sarge on an old PPro 180Mhz, with / on a RAID1 device and everything else on RAID1/VG/LVGs (which is very easy using the new Debian installer). I'm building this machine to be an offsite backup machine. It took 10hrs to sync my 100GiB partition, the first time, which seems a bit slow. I'm using 2 Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 ST3160021A 160GB 7200 RPM IDE Ultra ATA100 Hard Drive drives, each as the master on separate controllers (one of the drives has a CD as a slave) Googling, I've found a couple of tests like: time dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/null bs=64k count=1 which takes like 55 seconds (it only takes roughly 25 seconds on various other machines I have including an old P133) I also ran: hdparm -tT /dev/hda, as described in the windows thread by Karsten, and it came in at 28 MB/s - Does the processor speed have anything to do with I/O performance? - What other tests might I run to prove it's slow? - What other things might I look for to improve the speed? Thanks Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Connecting to port 1433 via 22 on an intermediary
Ken Bloom wrote: $ links localhost:1 and I reached google in Links. What's links? I can't find a man page on it. Thanks Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Connecting to port 1433 via 22 on an intermediary
What's links? I can't find a man page on it. Links is an ncurses based web browser, similar to lynx but different. I could have put any web browser command in there, because the purpose was to demonstrate how one would connect to the server once the tunnel had been established. --Ken Bloom Ah, no wonder I don't have a man page on it. Thanks Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Getting KDE 3.4 in Debian Testing
Bill Kendrick wrote: On Sun, Apr 03, 2005 at 05:24:16PM -0500, Jay Strauss wrote: Can you dump the userids/passwords to plain text? That's a good question, I haven't looked into it. Worst case scenario would be to use DCOP, I imagine... I'm not sure how you'd do that (having just read the DCOP page). But it doesn't seem you'd have the ability to decrypt the passwords. Can you export them for import into another machine? Also a good question. I /assume/ so. I can ask around, if you'd like! I was just curious, I'm not using kwallet, but I was thinking about it ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Getting KDE 3.4 in Debian Testing
Bill Kendrick wrote: On Sat, Apr 02, 2005 at 10:41:18PM -0800, Bob Scofield wrote: Is kwallet a good idea? I've only put one password into it. It seems like a hassle to have to enter two passwords to do something. But as I type these comments I'm starting to understand why that might be a good idea. I love kwallet. I have so many websites that I have to log into to get things done (banking, banner ad tracking, mailman admin), and other passwords I don't want to bother remembering or typing every time I use my computer (instant messenger logins, for example), and with kwallet, it just remembers them for me. I just use a master password whenever something wants access to them (e.g., a web login form) -bill! ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech Can you dump the userids/passwords to plain text? Can you export them for import into another machine? Thanks Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Where did all my output go? Bash shell question
Mitch Patenaude wrote: Any chance the output is going to stderr and not stdout? I don't know for sure, but I could believe that stderr of commands inside functions gets swallowed if not redirected. Try putting a 21 at the end of the svn command in the function. -- Mitch P.S. I think the problem you had with ---verbose was with it's position. try svn --verbose co project You're correct, it getting swallowed by stderr, doing as you suggested worked like a charm Thanks Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Where did all my output go? Bash shell question
Hi,
I have a little function in my .bashrc like:
function co {
cmd=svn co svn+ssh://fe/home/svn/repos/$1 $2
$cmd
}
Then I run it
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ co . name
Password:
Password:
Checked out revision 59.
Normally when I check out a tree, I get a long listing of files getting
checked out, but with the script I don't. Where are all the normal
listing of files being checked out going?
Thanks
Jay
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Re: [vox-tech] Where did all my output go? Bash shell question
are you invoking an alias interactively that has verbose option on? add the option to your string if so... svn is an executable, it sits in /usr/bin. It doesn't have a verbose option. ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] YAST equivalent on Debian?
- Kurumin. As Ubuntu, but KDE desktop default. Too bad the site is in Spanish (maybe Portugese), I'd like to read about this distro Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] YAST equivalent on Debian?
Just to echo everyone else. The new sarge net-install is really easy. From the installer I even created a system where root was on a raid-1 device and the rest of my system is on logical volume groups on top of a raid-1 partition. All from the installer, without any hoops or gymnastics. (I needed to understand the basic concepts of VGs and LVGs to figure out the sequence of stuff to build in the installer, but not too tough even for me) Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] YAST equivalent on Debian?
Josh Parsons wrote: On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 08:25 -0600, Jay Strauss wrote: What's strewth? Short for God's truth as in Strewth, mate, me sheila's nicked off with all me tinnies this arvo! Oh, Thanks Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] YAST equivalent on Debian?
Hi, since wajig was mentioned in the apt-get thread, thought I'd ask. What kind of GUI configuration/administration tools are available for Debian , something like YAST Thanks Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Apache question: preventing direct access to files
#FilesMatch \.pdf$ #SetEnvIf Referer http://152.79.198.7; local_referrer=1 #Order Allow, Deny #Deny from all #Allow from env=local_referrer #/FilesMatch Isn't there a way to use the above regex to do a redirect to a 404 file not found Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Apache question: preventing direct access to files
Jay Strauss wrote: #FilesMatch \.pdf$ #SetEnvIf Referer http://152.79.198.7; local_referrer=1 #Order Allow, Deny #Deny from all #Allow from env=local_referrer #/FilesMatch How about something like: SetEnvIf Referer 152\.79\.198\.7 let_me_in FilesMatch \.pdf$ Order Deny,Allow Deny from all Allow from env=let_me_in /FilesMatch ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Perl question - How do I use an HTTP header to download a file [SOLVED]?
Jay Strauss wrote:
Hi,
Using LWP::UserAgent and its pals, I get back the response (below via
Data::Dumper). If I use the same $request object and feed it to
www::mechanize it does the right thing and the data file is in the
-content. I can't see www::mech does it, or how to do it properly with
LWP::UserAgent
Basically the response is saying, go to this location with this cookie
and download the file. How am I supposed to use this header? Am I
suppose to feed this header into some other type of object and do a
request on it?
Any suggestions?
Thanks
Jay
$VAR1 = bless( {
'_protocol' = 'HTTP/1.1',
'_content' = 'htmlheadtitleObject
moved/title/headbody^M
h2Object moved to a
href=\'/DelayedQuote/QuoteData.dat\'here/a./h2^M
/body/html^M
',
'_rc' = '302',
'_headers' = bless( {
'client-response-num' = 1,
'cache-control' = 'private',
'set-cookie' = [
'CBOESiteTrackingID=d58134de-4d88-4d13-9d5e-c831599506a6; expires=Tue,
17-Feb-2105 12:17:19 GMT; path=/',
'WEBTRENDS_ID=; expires=Wed, 16-Feb-2005 12:17:19 GMT; path=/',
'DownLoadError=; expires=Wed, 16-Feb-2005 12:17:19 GMT; path=/',
'QueryData=79D55F9BFFCA04C80D64EFC35FDECCEC487BB6D44EF9493E2214453402DC21A172A00E496D6348D6C2B9CD6E60C0BC172ACE78326718524614957081569C6A566053D27798472A2A5F90F1CBC849A20ED2FDB94956EFC33E;
path=/'
],
'location' =
'/DelayedQuote/QuoteData.dat',
'date' = 'Thu, 17 Feb 2005
12:17:19 GMT',
'client-peer' =
'198.160.148.116:80',
'content-length' = '144',
'x-aspnet-version' = '1.1.4322',
'client-date' = 'Thu, 17 Feb
2005 12:14:20 GMT',
'content-type' = 'text/html;
charset=iso-8859-1',
'title' = 'Object moved',
'server' = 'Microsoft-IIS/6.0'
}, 'HTTP::Headers' ),
'_msg' = 'Found',
'_request' = bless( {
'_content' =
'__EVENTTARGET=__EVENTARGUMENT=NOVIEWSTATE=dDwtODc5MTM4MTUwOzs%2B6wDeQv0gEC342sUPKG%2B3n6ZStJ8%3DucHeader%3AucCBOEHeaderLinks%3AucCBOEHeaderSearch%3Asearchtext=txtTicker=cmdSubmit=Download',
'_uri' = bless( do{\(my $o =
'http://www.cboe.com/DelayedQuote/QuoteTableDownload.aspx')},
'URI::http' ),
'_headers' = bless( {
'user-agent' = 'Windows IE 6',
'content-type' = 'application/x-www-form-urlencoded',
'content-length' = 196
},
'HTTP::Headers' ),
'_method' = 'POST'
}, 'HTTP::Request' )
}, 'HTTP::Response' );
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By adding the referer things worked out:
#!/usr/bin/perl
use WWW::Mechanize;
use LWP::UserAgent;
use HTML::Form;
use Data::Dumper;
$url= http://www.cboe.com/DelayedQuote/QuoteTableDownload.aspx;;
$agent = 'Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)';
$symbol = '';
$ua = LWP::UserAgent-new(cookie_jar={}, agent=$agent);
push @{ $ua-requests_redirectable }, 'POST';
$resp = $ua-get($url);
$form = HTML::Form-parse($resp-content,$resp-base);
$form-find_input('__VIEWSTATE')-name('NOVIEWSTATE');
$form-value(txtTicker = $symbol);
my $req = $form-click;
$req-header('referer' = $url);
my $resp = $ua-request($req);
print $resp-content;
Jay
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[vox-tech] Perl question - How do I use an HTTP header to download a file?
Hi,
Using LWP::UserAgent and its pals, I get back the response (below via
Data::Dumper). If I use the same $request object and feed it to
www::mechanize it does the right thing and the data file is in the
-content. I can't see www::mech does it, or how to do it properly with
LWP::UserAgent
Basically the response is saying, go to this location with this cookie
and download the file. How am I supposed to use this header? Am I
suppose to feed this header into some other type of object and do a
request on it?
Any suggestions?
Thanks
Jay
$VAR1 = bless( {
'_protocol' = 'HTTP/1.1',
'_content' = 'htmlheadtitleObject
moved/title/headbody^M
h2Object moved to a href=\'/DelayedQuote/QuoteData.dat\'here/a./h2^M
/body/html^M
',
'_rc' = '302',
'_headers' = bless( {
'client-response-num' = 1,
'cache-control' = 'private',
'set-cookie' = [
'CBOESiteTrackingID=d58134de-4d88-4d13-9d5e-c831599506a6; expires=Tue,
17-Feb-2105 12:17:19 GMT; path=/',
'WEBTRENDS_ID=; expires=Wed, 16-Feb-2005 12:17:19 GMT; path=/',
'DownLoadError=; expires=Wed, 16-Feb-2005 12:17:19 GMT; path=/',
'QueryData=79D55F9BFFCA04C80D64EFC35FDECCEC487BB6D44EF9493E2214453402DC21A172A00E496D6348D6C2B9CD6E60C0BC172ACE78326718524614957081569C6A566053D27798472A2A5F90F1CBC849A20ED2FDB94956EFC33E;
path=/'
],
'location' =
'/DelayedQuote/QuoteData.dat',
'date' = 'Thu, 17 Feb 2005
12:17:19 GMT',
'client-peer' =
'198.160.148.116:80',
'content-length' = '144',
'x-aspnet-version' = '1.1.4322',
'client-date' = 'Thu, 17 Feb
2005 12:14:20 GMT',
'content-type' = 'text/html;
charset=iso-8859-1',
'title' = 'Object moved',
'server' = 'Microsoft-IIS/6.0'
}, 'HTTP::Headers' ),
'_msg' = 'Found',
'_request' = bless( {
'_content' =
'__EVENTTARGET=__EVENTARGUMENT=NOVIEWSTATE=dDwtODc5MTM4MTUwOzs%2B6wDeQv0gEC342sUPKG%2B3n6ZStJ8%3DucHeader%3AucCBOEHeaderLinks%3AucCBOEHeaderSearch%3Asearchtext=txtTicker=cmdSubmit=Download',
'_uri' = bless( do{\(my $o =
'http://www.cboe.com/DelayedQuote/QuoteTableDownload.aspx')}, 'URI::http' ),
'_headers' = bless( {
'user-agent' = 'Windows IE 6',
'content-type' = 'application/x-www-form-urlencoded',
'content-length' = 196
},
'HTTP::Headers' ),
'_method' = 'POST'
}, 'HTTP::Request' )
}, 'HTTP::Response' );
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Re: [vox-tech] Four week test of Firefox versus Opera
3. Rendering is wonderful: pages render more faithfully under FF than Opera. I've been using FF for a couple of months on both M$ and Linux and unfortunately I'd have to say the rendering is not so wonderful when compared with IE (at least in my experience) for example when I look at: http://www.sheddaquarium.org/mem_individual.cfm FF smashes the ticket options together, IE has them nice and separated. A rant about Launchy. I *hate* the fact that I need an extension to handle mailto: links. Hate, hate, hate. When I click on a mailto link, I want to run mutt in an xterm. There's no excuse to 1) need an extension for this and 2) have to write an XML stanza. I'll be damned if I spend 20 minutes figuring this out, although if I stick to Firefox, I guess I'll have to at some point. I agree wholeheartedly Have you been using Thunderbird? Its quite nice, except the spell checker sucks. Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Four week test of Firefox versus Opera
Bill Kendrick wrote: On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 01:36:22PM -0600, Jay Strauss wrote: 3. Rendering is wonderful: pages render more faithfully under FF than Opera. I've been using FF for a couple of months on both M$ and Linux and unfortunately I'd have to say the rendering is not so wonderful when compared with IE (at least in my experience) for example when I look at: http://www.sheddaquarium.org/mem_individual.cfm FF smashes the ticket options together, IE has them nice and separated. Hrm, as it should. There doesn't seem to be anything in there that says there should be space after the ul.../ul list. The part of the page in question is a table, with /zero/ cellspacing or cellpadding, so it's no wonder it's pretty tight in there... The descriptions of each are within a div.../div, but the style in question (ltbluetext) simply sets color, font and font size. Nothing about spacing, margins or padding around the enclosed section of text. Really, what seems to be happening is IE is insisting on putting some blank vertical space after the /ul tag. Maybe if the whole section was wrapped in p.../p it'd come out better. Or they could specifically set margin-bottom for those ul groups or something... Oh, I stand corrected. I didn't realize IE was doing it's own thing. Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Re: [LUNI] Debian NIC names
Joe Digilio wrote: I think what you're looking for is /etc/modutils/aliases Adding a couple of lines like this should work... alias eepro100 eth0 alias prism wan0 That's just an example (I have no idea what a real wireless module name is since I've never dealt with 802.11 before, but you get the idea). Just substitute the appropriate module names and you should be good to go. HTH, Joe I do have a prism card, but I don't know the name of my wired nic. How would I find that out? Currently there is nothing in the /etc/modutils/aliases with regard to my network cards Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Re: [LUNI] Debian NIC names
Opps, replyed to the wrong list :) But you're welcome to answer if you want ;) Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Installing subversion from sid into a sarge box
I'm just a monkey with a wrench here, but I created a file called /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/60defaultrelease with contents set to the line you quoted above this summer, and my system is still working. Does the numbering matter? that is, does the 60 in 60defaultrelease mean anything? I can't find any doc on it Thanks Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Installing subversion from sid into a sarge box
However, I'm always surprised at people saying they want to be on the testing track prior to release, but not afterwards. Why is that track desirable today, but not after sarge's relese? I just want the newer stuff, Perl primarily. And since sarge is almost stable seems to be the right dist for me. I'll continue on sarge for a while (couple of years, I figure) once it goes stable Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Installing subversion from sid into a sarge box
Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Jay Strauss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): However, I'm always surprised at people saying they want to be on the testing track prior to release, but not afterwards. Why is that track desirable today, but not after sarge's relese? I just want the newer stuff, Perl primarily. You might want to track testing, then. More below. And since sarge is almost stable seems to be the right dist for me. It's possible that there's a bit of lingering confusion, so please pardon my going didactic (er, more didactic ;- ) on you for a while: The Debian branches named for Toy Story characters (buzz=1.1, rex=1.2, bo=1.3, hamm=2.0, slink=2.1, potato=2.2, woody=3.0, sarge=3.1, and the planned etch branch that isn't yet extant) are _starting points_ -- installable package ensembles -- for Debian systems. Absent special ... Rick, Thanks for the reply. Maybe I'll be better served if I say what I'm trying to accomplish. I (mostly) write Perl against Oracle, with some apache/mod_perl thrown in too. I need the newer version of perl (5.8.4 w/threads), I need the glibc in testing for Oracle (Oracle 10 installs (almost) without hitch on testing, but very difficult, impossible, on stable). I'll install apache2/mod_perl2 also. Lastly I'd like to have subversion 1.1 Currently, the testing branch, has all that I need, with the exception of subversion v1.1 (which is currently in unstable). That said, I'm risk adverse and would like to be on the stable version, for the duration. So I'd like to stay a safe distance from bleeding edge, but have all the above. I thought the debian maintainers, at some point stop accepting changes to testing, say ok, this package set is now stable, and point everything appropriately. What I thought I'd do is run testing until the day(s) that it becomes stable, then make my box follow the stable tree. Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Installing Java
Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Ken Bloom ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Debian, the best way to install Java is to download the binary installer and then use make-jpkg from java-package to create .debs of Java that do the right thing. For Java2 v. 1.5. If you're content with 1.4 for now, try using this as an apt source: # Sun Java J2r1.4 deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/java/debian woody non-free Then, you don't need to build your own .debs . It is said[1] that the Blackdown group is working on v. 1.5 packages, which will then likewise be offered as .debs . [1] http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/java2-status/ Rick, Thanks for the link, I finally got things working. I thought I was having a problem with Java, but it turns out it was with my installation of X Thanks Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Installing Java
Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Ken Bloom ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Debian, the best way to install Java is to download the binary installer and then use make-jpkg from java-package to create .debs of Java that do the right thing. For Java2 v. 1.5. If you're content with 1.4 for now, try using this as an apt source: # Sun Java J2r1.4 deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/java/debian woody non-free Looks like they moved it to: deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/java/debian/ sarge non-free and since I'm on sarge, I'll use that. Thanks Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Installing Java
If you're stuck, read my EBLUG-talk slides on http://linuxmafia.com/presentations/ , and note the lessons drawn from the tcp-wrappers-7.6.tar.gz trojaning in 1999, for one reason. ;- I'm gonna read it tonight Thanks Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Installing Java
On Debian, the best way to install Java is to download the binary installer and then use make-jpkg from java-package to create .debs of Java that do the right thing. Ken, I'm running debian. I don't see a java-package when I do a: apt-cache search java. Am I misunderstanding you? Thanks Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Installing Java
Ken Bloom wrote: On Wed, Dec 29, 2004 at 01:11:55PM -0600, Jay Strauss wrote: On Debian, the best way to install Java is to download the binary installer and then use make-jpkg from java-package to create .debs of Java that do the right thing. Ken, I'm running debian. I don't see a java-package when I do a: apt-cache search java. Am I misunderstanding you? Looks like it's only in unstable. I just use the installer from sun then and install in /usr/local like I had Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Installing Java
Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Ken Bloom ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Debian, the best way to install Java is to download the binary installer and then use make-jpkg from java-package to create .debs of Java that do the right thing. For Java2 v. 1.5. If you're content with 1.4 for now, try using this as an apt source: # Sun Java J2r1.4 deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/java/debian woody non-free Then, you don't need to build your own .debs . It is said[1] that the Blackdown group is working on v. 1.5 packages, which will then likewise be offered as .debs . [1] http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/java2-status/ ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech What's the drawback of just using the java installer/binary from java.sun.com? I don't really need the apt advantages, I wouldn't want java just updated automatically when I do apt-get upgrade anyway. Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Re: question - perl and databases
Peter Jay Salzman wrote: Hi Jay, Question about Perl databases. I want to write an application that uses a db. Never played with db before. Ultimately, I want to write something that creates a webpage using the db data. I also want people to be able to simply install my program without worrying about installing other software, like msql or postgresql. When you use DBI, do you *have* to have a separate daemon-run database or is there a Perl module that provides a backend to DBI? I'd rather use DBI because it's more convenient for complex data structures and so I can use SQL, but if you need to install a database to use DBI, I might try to make due with DBM. Pete Pete, There are various ways to use DBI without a RDBMS server running somewhere. Take a gander at search.cpan.org, and search for DBD. There are drivers to run against various types of flat files: cvs, DBD::WTSprite, DBD::SQLite2 HTH Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Using Perl to Find and Replace
Trevor M. Lango wrote: I am working on a cdrom 'snapshot' of a website I help maintain for use at demos where there is no network access. Practically every page uses server side includes. I need to scan through an html file for expressions of the following format: !-- #include virtual= relative_path_to_file/filename -- and replace the expression: !-- #include virtual= relative_path_to_file/filename -- with the contents of 'filename'. I know how to use Perl to scan through a file for a specified regular expression and replace it (thank to an earlier post - you guys are awesome!) but I'm lost as to how to locate regular expressions of the given pattern, interpret a portion of it as the name of a file, then extract that file's content and replace the original expression...!? Perl, anyone...? ;-) - Trevor ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech I think you can make the replace a reference to a subroutine (which would return the contents of the file), but I can't seem to google the right words to see how it works. Maybe someone else can say Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] computer pretending to be a printer
The manual suggests that it can be used via windows networking to save its data to a remove windows share over ethernet. It's weird that it says it can save a file to a windows share but not to a local drive But if that's the case, couldn't you set up a Linux box along side of that box running samba, providing a windows share Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] What address to put my gateway/router
Hi, Simple question (probably going to be one of those, depends). My linksys router's default address is: 192.168.1.1, when I install Linux (Debian) it's default gateway address: 192.168.1.254. Not that either of them are hard to change but... What address do you guys normally put your router? Thanks Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] What address to put my gateway/router
Jay Strauss wrote: Hi, Simple question (probably going to be one of those, depends). My linksys router's default address is: 192.168.1.1, when I install Linux (Debian) it's default gateway address: 192.168.1.254. Not that either of them are hard to change but... What address do you guys normally put your router? Thanks Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech Thanks everyone. I'd been using 192.168.5.*, with my gateway on .254, maybe I'll switch to .1 if that's the new standard Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Using awk or perl to find and replace
Not to beat a dead horse: perl -i.bak -p -e s/(h)\.(.*?)\.(jpg)/$2.$1.$3/ig input.txt In a perl one liner, making a backup of original, and saving capitalization ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] yet another SQL question...
Dylan Beaudette wrote: Hi everyone, I am trying to accomplish in SQL (the MySQL dialect to be exact), what may only be possible with an integrated approach... but I thought that I would ask: I have a single table, called 'component'. There are records in this table that represent components of a larger unit. Each record is identified with a key linking it to the larger unit (mukey), and has a column that defines the percent of the larger unit that this component represents (comppct_r). There are other categorical attributes associated with the components as well. I would like to make a table that displays the dominant component (i.e. comppct_r is the largest for a given larger unit) and associated attributes for each larger unit. here is an example query: select component.mukey, component.comppct_r, component.taxorder, component.taxsuborder, component.taxgrtgroup from component limit 20; ++---+-+-+--+ | mukey | comppct_r | taxorder| taxsuborder | taxgrtgroup | ++---+-+-+--+ | 467166 |90 | Inceptisols | Xerepts | Haploxerepts | | 467165 |30 | | | | | 467165 |20 | Entisols| Orthents| Xerorthents | | 467165 |35 | Entisols| Orthents| Xerorthents | | 467164 |85 | Entisols| Orthents| Xerorthents | | 467163 |85 | Entisols| Orthents| Xerorthents | | 467160 |30 | Mollisols | Xerolls | Haploxerolls | | 467160 |60 | Alfisols| Xeralfs | Haploxeralfs | | 467159 |30 | | | | | 467159 |20 | Entisols| Orthents| Xerorthents | | 467159 |35 | Entisols| Orthents| Xerorthents | | 467158 |85 | Alfisols| Xeralfs | Haploxeralfs | | 467157 |85 | Inceptisols | Xerepts | Haploxerepts | | 467156 |85 | Alfisols| Xeralfs | Haploxeralfs | | 467155 |85 | Inceptisols | Xerepts | Calcixerepts | | 467154 |85 | Mollisols | Xerolls | Argixerolls | | 467153 |30 | Inceptisols | Xerepts | Haploxerepts | | 467153 |20 | | | | | 467153 |35 | Alfisols| Xeralfs | Haploxeralfs | | 467152 |85 | Alfisols| Xeralfs | Natrixeralfs | ++---+-+-+--+ I am able to accomplish what I am interested with an intermediate step, but if there is a single step it would be nice. Here is my idea for a 2 step solution to the above: 1. create table comp_max select component.mukey, max(comppct_r) from component group by component.mukey 2. join the records from the component table based on mukey and the max_pct value ...perhaps this can be done with a subselect..? thanks in advance for any ideas! In oracle it would be like (maybe it's the same in MySql) select * from component where (mutkey,compct_r) = ( select mutkey, max(compct_r) from component group by mutkey) ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] simple backup and restore
Tim Riley wrote: Jay Strauss wrote: Hi, I just want to do a simple backup, write the backup file to the system disk or an NFS mount. Then restore from that file. I'm not sure what I should backup. I figure I can exclude: /tmp /dev /mnt /proc If I do: cd / tar zcvf backup.tar.gz bin boot etc home initrd initrd.img lib media opt root sbin srv sys usr var vmlinuz How would I restore, such that I get the previous image, and not a combination of the restored files and the new files? Instead of backing up individual system files and directories, consider making an image backup of the entire filesystem: # dd if=/dev/hda1 bs=10k | gzip backup.dd.gz Then upon restore, you're guaranteed to get the previous image. Thanks Tim, I tried dd but it was taking forever. tar took 3.5 minutes to write and dd took 15 before I cancelled it. I'll try again with the bs=10k Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] simple backup and restore
Jonathan Stickel wrote: I use rsync to keep the entire root filesystem of several computers identical. See this post: http://lugod.org/mailinglists/archives/vox-tech/2004-03/msg00252.html You could do similar to backup your entire root. Jonathan Thanks Jonathan. I'll try that, thanks. Looks like rsync can do a lot thanks Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] simple backup and restore
Hi, I just want to do a simple backup, write the backup file to the system disk or an NFS mount. Then restore from that file. I'm not sure what I should backup. I figure I can exclude: /tmp /dev /mnt /proc If I do: cd / tar zcvf backup.tar.gz bin boot etc home initrd initrd.img lib media opt root sbin srv sys usr var vmlinuz How would I restore, such that I get the previous image, and not a combination of the restored files and the new files? What I want to do is install some software, do a backup, try installing some other software, restore to the old backup, try installing again... Thanks Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Configuring Multiple Apache Instances
Hi, I want to run 2 apache2 instances on a single box, NOT 2 virtual hosts. Why, because they need to have different configurations. Do I have to install apache2 twice (or copy one install to another directory)? Can't I just do a apachectl and pass in a different httpd.conf file? I can't find any reference to doing it that way. Anyone here running multiple apaches on a single box? Can you describe how you're doing it? Thanks Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] cordless mouse question
I've run multiple logitech cordless/optical mice on different systems. I get 4-5 months minimum Jay Got a Memorex USB cordless optical mouse. Works great with autops2. The problem is that it appears to be sucking AAA batteries at the rate of 2 every 1.5 - 2 weeks, which is unacceptable to me. Any other cordless mice users? What's your d(battery)/dt? Is this higher than normal? Pete ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Configuring Multiple Apache Instances
Rod Roark wrote: On Saturday 16 October 2004 04:01 pm, Jay Strauss wrote: Hi, I want to run 2 apache2 instances on a single box, NOT 2 virtual hosts. Why, because they need to have different configurations. Apache is very flexible... different how? Well, I'd like to have 2 apaches running one for my brother to develop against, and one for me to monkey with configurations, install other software and stuff without disrupting him, while I bring the server up and down. Also, I'd like one instance to include one set of a directory structures , and another one to include a different set. Like including my perl libs in one apache, and my brother's development perl libs in another. I just do a apachectl and pass in a different httpd.conf file? Yes, or whatever comes naturally for your distribution. Check /etc/init.d/httpd or whatever. I just installed from source. But I don't see any way to pass in a different httpd.conf Thanks Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Configuring Multiple Apache Instances
Rod Roark wrote: On Saturday 16 October 2004 05:35 pm, Jay Strauss wrote: ... I just installed from source. But I don't see any way to pass in a different httpd.conf http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/invoking.html Cheers, -- Rod ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech Sorry, -f /path/to/http.conf Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Cut and paste
Bill Kendrick wrote:
On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 11:14:34AM -0500, Jay Strauss wrote:
It's like there are 2 clipboards or something. Can't I do cut and paste
without mousing? The menu-edit-copy doesn't have a keyboard shortcut.
It IS a little bizarre sometimes. :^/
You can add a copy keyboard shortcut to Konsole by going to
Settings-Configure Shortcuts...
I should have looked at that, I'd been playing with other things on the
settings menu
There's a Copy command in there which, by default, has no keyboard shortcut.
You could also do the slightly-tedious (but understandable since this is
a terminal app):
[Alt]
pause... (Session menu at the top will become selected)
[Right] (to move to the Edit menu)
[Down](to 'pull down' the Edit menu;
Copy is first, so will be selected)
[Enter] (to choose Edit)
Yes, I'd consider that a bit tedious :)
Text selection (highlighting) in Konsole and then middle-click pasting
SHOULD work, though. But it does seem there's a difference between
pasting the highlighted selection and pasting something you've Edit-Copy'd
Yep, I've discovered that. middle mousing is different than
copy/paste. I'm just getting used to this, coming from windows where
everything goes to the 1 clipboard
BTW, quick example... I can set [Alt]+[C] to be 'Copy' in my Konsole.
However, that makes it impossible (or difficult, at best) to send
an Alt-C sequence to a program I'm running _in_ the terminal.
Emacs, for example, seems to use Alt-C to capitalize words.
('foo foo foo' becomes 'Foo Foo Foo' if I hit Alt-C three times)
So be sure to pick some key sequence you don't need in the apps you'll be
running. (Like [Alt]+[Ctrl]+[Shift]+[C] or something wacky :^) )
Good luck!
Thanks Bill !
Jay
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Re: [vox-tech] Cut and paste
Ken Herron wrote: --On Saturday, October 02, 2004 11:14:34 AM -0500 Jay Strauss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I want to cut and paste, I have to go to the menu-edit-copy then I can paste to FireFox. It's like there are 2 clipboards or something. Can't I do cut and paste without mousing? The menu-edit-copy doesn't have a keyboard shortcut. Actually, yes, there are two clipboards. See http://www.jwz.org/doc/x-cut-and-paste.html. Many apps will support Ctrl-C, Ctrl-X, and Ctrl-V as shortcuts for the menu copy, cut, and paste commands. But of course for konsole those keystrokes go to the terminal session. Thanks for the link. I've read it, and kinda understand it even. On top of that, if you're using KDE then you're probably running klipper. Klipper takes over some of the clipboard operation, so depending on how that's configured, things may work differently for you. I'll have to read about klipper now to Thanks Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] alsa configuration
Nick Schmalenberger wrote: list, I have been trying to get the sound to work in my computer. At boot when the ALSA mixer settings would be loaded, it fails and says to manually use alsactl restore. When I do that, it says alsactl: load_state:1134: No soundcards found When I google on that, peoples problems mostly seem to be conflicts between OSS and ALSA when they have both installed at the same time. As far as I know, the only OSS stuff I have is the emulation in ALSA. Here is what lsmod says: Module Size Used by ds 15784 4 thermal10352 0 fan 2796 0 button 4696 0 processor 14160 1 thermal ac 3308 0 battery 7660 0 snd_es1938 21832 0 snd_pcm_oss59912 0 snd_mixer_oss 19904 1 snd_pcm_oss snd_pcm99492 2 snd_es1938,snd_pcm_oss snd_page_alloc 9768 1 snd_pcm snd_opl3_lib 10112 1 snd_es1938 snd_timer 24644 2 snd_pcm,snd_opl3_lib snd_hwdep 8416 1 snd_opl3_lib snd_mpu401_uart 7104 1 snd_es1938 snd_rawmidi22784 1 snd_mpu401_uart snd_seq_device 7496 2 snd_opl3_lib,snd_rawmidi snd59972 10 snd_es1938,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_opl3_lib,snd_timer,snd_hwdep,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device soundcore 7328 1 snd 8139too20736 0 yenta_socket 18656 1 pcmcia_core62376 2 ds,yenta_socket uhci_hcd 30348 0 af_packet 16872 0 So what should I do? Do I really have some OSS thing that is causing a problem for ALSA? Do I have all the right ALSA modules? Thanks. Nick ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech I had a problem with this too. In my case I needed to tell discover not to load the OSS modules for my card. I did this like: echo skip i810_audio /etc/discover.conf Maybe someone else on this list can tell you the driver to skip Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Cut and paste
Hi, I sorta remember a thread like this, but couldn't find it in the archives. When I run konsole, when I highlight some text, I can middle click and paste it into another (or same) xterm, but I can't paste it into a GUI program like FireFox. If I want to cut and paste, I have to go to the menu-edit-copy then I can paste to FireFox. It's like there are 2 clipboards or something. Can't I do cut and paste without mousing? The menu-edit-copy doesn't have a keyboard shortcut. I'd rather just use simple xterm but I don't even have the menu option for copy. Thanks Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] BTW Thanks
BTW, Thanks to everyone who helped me get my laptop up and running. I'm wireless, and sound capable now. I haven't really worked on anything else, since I don't really need anything else right now Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Cut and paste
Jay Strauss wrote: Hi, I sorta remember a thread like this, but couldn't find it in the archives. When I run konsole, when I highlight some text, I can middle click and paste it into another (or same) xterm, but I can't paste it into a GUI program like FireFox. If I want to cut and paste, I have to go to the menu-edit-copy then I can paste to FireFox. It's like there are 2 clipboards or something. Can't I do cut and paste without mousing? The menu-edit-copy doesn't have a keyboard shortcut. I'd rather just use simple xterm but I don't even have the menu option for copy. Thanks Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech Please disregard my original post. I didn't realize I could middle button on GUI apps. Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Installing a desktop upon my laptop
Especially when it comes to situations like: it installed more than I needed 'apt-get install debfoster' and run it, and you can fairly easily cull your system. (Just have another window open to do 'apt-cache show [packagename]' to double-check what unrecognized packages are :^) ) I mess around with debfoster. Thanks for the tip Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Using Knoppix to configure another distribution
Hi, I'm taking Karsten's advice. Under a Knoppix system, what files should I look at/copy, to learn the commands/modules/drivers, that I can then use for configuring a Debian system? Specifically: Wireless Card Infared Port Modem DVD drive PCI (credit card) Slots Thanks Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Installing a desktop upon my laptop
Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Jay Strauss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): What I find when I install Sarge, and pick the desktop option is: 1) It installs a ton of stuff, that I just don't need now. For example, I don't need 10 different console and terminal apps, 5 different web browsers, sound recording/mixing..., games, HTML editors, both KDE and Gnome... Well, you _did_ pick the big, all-one-piece metapackage. That's what you get when you do that. I personally prefer the a la carte approach. In fact, I do a really minimal initial install, and then, whenever I decide I really need some application, I just sudo apt-get install foo. So, don't pick the desktop option. ;- 2) it doesn't do a good job of identifying and configuring components. Examples: a) doesnt identify my video card as ATI b) doesn't setup my XFConfig-4 correctly apt-get install read-edid discover before X11 configuration would no doubt help a lot, in making X11 setup smarter. If the thing hassles you, anyway, sometimes the lazy man's way around the problem is to boot a Knoppix CD, if necessary fiddle with boot-time options to get the video perfect, and then copy the XF86Config-4 file (and boot options, if any) off to some other media for reuse in your long-term Linux distribution (Debian 3.1/sarge or whatever). c) Sound only works if I use KDE first. That is if I log into Gnome after boot I have no sound, if I log into KDE then Gnome I get sound. But even then the sound volume controls doesn't work I'm guessing that, some time during your installation ordeal ;- , you enabled KDE sound support, which is apparently via something called the arts daemon. Thus, your currently-configured sound support is KDE-dependent, which is probably not really what you had in mind. I can guess how this happened -- and, please, don't think I'm being critical of you at all, in saying this: I crashed and burned on Debian desktop setup a few times before learning a couple of hard lessons. You were in tasksel (the metapackage selector), and picked the aforementioned desktop option and probably a whole lot of other things. It's very tempting to do this: You have access to something like 13,000 packages in a few nice little checkboxes, and one is tempted to say Yeah, give me the whole candy store. When you do that, the package tools grind through figuring out the dependencies, then mass-fetch the necessary .deb files into /var/cache/apt/archives, then does initial, basic installation (dpkg -i) of all of them, en-masse, and then does the package-configuration step (dpkg --configure) on all of them, en masse. If you selected 800 packages for initial installation, or 2000, or some number like that, then, by the time you reach the final stage (configuration), above, your brain will have overloaded from the sheer quantity of stuff that's scrolled by the installation screen. Most of that will be of no lasting importance, and will have been mostly the background muttering of installation tools, but some pop-up messages will have been important -- but, like most people, you'll not have stopped to take notes, because you weren't expecting such things. Moreover, the configuration step, itself, involves the system asking you fairly significant questions for each of a significant fraction of the n-hundred packages you said to install. Most other distributions would give you default, generic configurations for installed packages; the Debian method, instead, is to ask you a couple of focussed questions for any package needing custom configuration, and constructing a site-appropriate configuration based on your answers. In consequence, it's usually a really bad idea to pick 800-2000 or so packages for initial installation, _unless_ you're seriously prepared to deal with this sort of computer interrogation and devote the attention to it that's necessary. (You probably realised all of that, but I'm saying this for the benefit of newcomers, mostly.) Anyhow, my takeaway lesson from my own encounters was: Install a smallish system, and incrementally add packages only as you want and need them. (This is a different habit from what one gets in many other distributions, so I thought it worth mentioning.) d) The wireless card can't be picked during the install because the settings don't last/work after that initial install reboot I'm mystified as to why almost all Linux installers still flub this, according to reviews. Me, I just rolled up my sleeves and edited /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts with a text editor and reference to a few manpages. You're right; this should be easier. There may be some tool to do it automagically; I just don't know what it is. I haven't even tried to tackle infrared-port networking (IrDA), yet. That's the one significant thing missing from my page about Linux generically on Dell Inspiron 7000 laptops (http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/inspiron7000.html) . Soon, I hope to fix that, just to complete the page. (Well
Re: [vox-tech] Installing a desktop upon my laptop
Perhaps you'd like to try Yoper, especially as it focuses on speed and compactness. Here's a starting point: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/09/21/2232238 I have no experience with it myself, but would love to hear from anyone who tries it. -- Rod Downloaded and installed it today. I didn't play with it too long, but it seemed nice. I was able to get my sound going (so that's a good thing :). I'm hesitiant to go off on a distro that no one else is using. Thanks Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Installing a desktop upon my laptop
Hi, I want to preface this, I'm not whinning :) Since replacing my failed hard drive on my laptop (IBM thinkpad A30, model 2652 3CU), I'm really trying to make the switch to a linux destop. I've always run Debian for my servers and am most comfortable with that. I've never had to worry about sound cards, IR ports, wireless cards... What I find when I install Sarge, and pick the desktop option is: 1) It installs a ton of stuff, that I just don't need now. For example, I don't need 10 different console and terminal apps, 5 different web browsers, sound recording/mixing..., games, HTML editors, both KDE and Gnome... 2) it doesn't do a good job of identifying and configuring components. Examples: a) doesnt identify my video card as ATI b) doesn't setup my XFConfig-4 correctly c) Sound only works if I use KDE first. That is if I log into Gnome after boot I have no sound, if I log into KDE then Gnome I get sound. But even then the sound volume controls doesn't work d) The wireless card can't be picked during the install because the settings don't last/work after that initial install reboot 3) Its kinda slow. I'm running a 1Ghz pentium III, 384 MB ram, 5400 rpm drive. It takes something like 10 seconds after I enter my userid into GDM before I get my desktop Maybe I'm picking the wrong distribution to run as a desktop (or I hate to say it, maybe I'm spoiled because M$ stuff does all this so well). So my question is: Can anyone suggest a route for installing on my laptop that will help me detect/identify all the components on my laptop (network card, wireless card, ir port, monitor, sound card...), give me a nice slim install, and ideally use APT for software administration Thanks Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Installing a desktop upon my laptop
I'm downloading Yoper now.I'll try it for a few minutes :) Jay - Original Message - From: Rod Roark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lugod's technical discussion forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [vox-tech] Installing a desktop upon my laptop Perhaps you'd like to try Yoper, especially as it focuses on speed and compactness. Here's a starting point: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/09/21/2232238 I have no experience with it myself, but would love to hear from anyone who tries it. -- Rod On Saturday 25 September 2004 10:06 am, Jay Strauss wrote: Hi, I want to preface this, I'm not whinning :) Since replacing my failed hard drive on my laptop (IBM thinkpad A30, model 2652 3CU), I'm really trying to make the switch to a linux destop. I've always run Debian for my servers and am most comfortable with that. I've never had to worry about sound cards, IR ports, wireless cards... What I find when I install Sarge, and pick the desktop option is: 1) It installs a ton of stuff, that I just don't need now. For example, I don't need 10 different console and terminal apps, 5 different web browsers, sound recording/mixing..., games, HTML editors, both KDE and Gnome... 2) it doesn't do a good job of identifying and configuring components. Examples: a) doesnt identify my video card as ATI b) doesn't setup my XFConfig-4 correctly c) Sound only works if I use KDE first. That is if I log into Gnome after boot I have no sound, if I log into KDE then Gnome I get sound. But even then the sound volume controls doesn't work d) The wireless card can't be picked during the install because the settings don't last/work after that initial install reboot 3) Its kinda slow. I'm running a 1Ghz pentium III, 384 MB ram, 5400 rpm drive. It takes something like 10 seconds after I enter my userid into GDM before I get my desktop Maybe I'm picking the wrong distribution to run as a desktop (or I hate to say it, maybe I'm spoiled because M$ stuff does all this so well). So my question is: Can anyone suggest a route for installing on my laptop that will help me detect/identify all the components on my laptop (network card, wireless card, ir port, monitor, sound card...), give me a nice slim install, and ideally use APT for software administration Thanks Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Installing a desktop upon my laptop
Jay Strauss wrote: Can anyone suggest a route for installing on my laptop that will help me detect/identify all the components on my laptop (network card, wireless card, ir port, monitor, sound card...), give me a nice slim install, and ideally use APT for software administration Other than an unusual bug when trying to dual boot winXP, I've been impressed with Fedora Core 2. Use apt-rpm type tools to maintain it, and you should be happy. I'll download Fedora Core 2 tonight and try it. When you say apt-rpm type tools do you mean tools that are like apt-rpm or the tools that come with apt-rpm? Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Sound on the thinkpad
Hi, (while I'm waiting to down load yopper), I just reinstalled Sarge, totally basic install. Then installed KDE (kdebase to be exact). I don't have any sound, though I see during boot it loaded my sound card drivers. Any suggestions one where to look to get my sound? Thanks Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Sound on the thinkpad [solved-ish]
If the sound drivers loaded without complaining, then it's likely just an issue with mixer settings. For example if you are using ALSA, then output is muted by default and you should run alsamixer. If you are not using ALSA then perhaps you should, depending on the hardware. I have generally had better luck with it than with OSS. -- Rod I installed alsa-base, alsa-oss, aumix I adjusted aumix volume and got sound. I don't know if I needed the alsa stuff or not. How would I know if I'm using ALSA or not? Thanks Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Sound on the thinkpad [not solved]
I installed alsa-base, alsa-oss, aumix I adjusted aumix volume and got sound. I don't know if I needed the alsa stuff or not. How would I know if I'm using ALSA or not? Spoke too soon. After rebooting my sound is gone. Something like a sound driver or something must not be getting loaded. Also when I opened aumix after rebooting, the volumes were back at their defaults (even though I had saved them) Thanks Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Sound on the thinkpad [not solved]
With ALSA you need an init script to restore saved mixer settings on bootup. On my Gentoo systems it's called alsasound - perhaps you already have one and just need to enable it. Solved yet? :-) -- Rod I have a bunch of snd-* in my lsmod, so I guess I'm using ALSA. I have a alsa in my /etc/init.d which I started manually just now. I still don't have any sound :( Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Sound on the thinkpad [not solved]
You don't understand. The init script is invoked on shutdown to save the mixer settings to a configuration file, and on bootup to restore them. So to see it work, you have to run a mixer to enable sound, make sure the init script will run on shutdown and bootup, and then reboot. If you look at the script you should see that it runs alsactl save and alsactl restore on shutdown and reboot, respectively. man alsactl for more info. Cheers, -- Rod Sorry my fault, I wasn't clear. I do know that the stuff in init.d gets run at startup/shutdown. I looked thru the alsa script and saw it calls alsactl. I just ran /etc/init.d/alsa stop and start just to see if I'd get sound, which I did not. If I run alsamixer, it gives me the message: No mixer elems found Thanks Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Debian Sarge, Video and Monitor Configuration
- Original Message - From: Ken Bloom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jay Strauss [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lugod's technical discussion forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 12:41 AM Subject: Re: [vox-tech] Debian Sarge, Video and Monitor Configuration On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 10:57:14PM -0500, Jay Strauss wrote: You modified your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 by hand, so now debconf is reluctant to overwrite it. From /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz lines 2071-2073 in sid, you can solve this as follows: For /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, do the following as root: md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 Thanks Ken, That's working. I feel like a NOB since what you mentioned is also written at the top of the XF86Config file. Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Debian Sarge, Video and Monitor Configuration
For your monitor, VertRefresh should be 85 since 85Hz is your monitor's capability. But instead of just setting it to 85, it's best to give it a range that it is capable, so X can pick the best one out of all the possible ones. Since most monitors are capable of 60Hz, it's safe to assume your monitor is also. So I'd set your VertRefresh rate to this: VertRefresh 59-86 As for HorizSync, I don't quite understand that thing. I usually work with the default range, tweaking it as necessary. As long as you know the vertical refresh rate is set properly, it's not too hard to tweak it. I think you can use xvidtune to help you tweak it, too. BTW, many monitors today has the ability to display its current display rate. So if you have Windows or Knoppix and can get it into the mode that you want, you can write down its display setting and apply it in the XF86Config-4 file. For example, by clicking on the [2] button on my monitor I see that my Windows XP display (hehe) is currently set to fH 68.7kHz, fV 85.1Hz, which means my display is currently using horizontal sync rate of 68.7kHz and vertical refresh rate of 85.1Hz. So I *could* set my XF86Config-4 file to say: HorizSync 68-69 VertRefresh 85-86 to get the exact same setting. It's possible I won't get the exact same setting, though, so I'd expand the range a bit, like this: HorizSync 60-80 VertRefresh 70-90 Just approximating, knowing that my awesome Panasonic PanaSync Pro P110i monitor I got from Geoff isn't stupid enough to blow up if I enter in some bad number. Just try it. See if it works using your monitor's display feedback. Monitors today don't blow up or smoke away like they used to... not that I've ever seen one do that. Thankfully... BTW, as I mentioned before, being able to set high refresh rates isn't just about the video card, but also about the monitor, so you gotta make sure the monitor is capable of it, too. I got the impression that this is a laptop computer, and if all you're using is the built-in LCD monitor, then it's fine at 60Hz. If you don't have a CRT monitor that you plug in regularly, then keep it at 60Hz to be compatible with various things you may end up plugging into (CRT, projector, A/V signal converter, etc. -- they all work at 60Hz but may not at higher rates!) Otherwise match it with the CRT monitor that you plug into regularly 'cuz it's pointless to adjust the rates for things you may never plug into... Just my 2 cents.. whatever that really means...! =P Oh yeah, you're not finding the HorizSync and VertRefresh values for your video card on the Internet because those are values for the monitor, not the video card! If you wanna look up those values, look up your CRT monitor's specs, not your video card's! -Mark Thanks Mark, I am indeed running a laptop. I never attach it to a CRT, the only time I attach an external monitor to it is when I do a presentation (maybe once a year) and I hook it up to a projector. I've been looking for specs on the monitor, but can't seem to find anything more specific than stuff on the IBM product sales stuff. Although maybe my monitor is only capable of 1400x1050, so maybe I'm OK where I am. I don't have Windows or Knoppix installed on this machine, so I don't have access to those tools you speak of. I'll play with the refresh rates like you describe and see if anything blows up or smokes :) Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Debian Sarge, Video and Monitor Configuration
On Tue, 2004-09-21 at 12:13, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Jay Strauss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I don't have Windows or Knoppix installed on this machine, so I don't have access to those tools you speak of. Just in case you don't know, Knoppix is a run-from-CD distribution, and doesn't need to be installed onto your hard drive. Thus, in part because it has excellent hardware autodetection, it makes a good tool for solving problems like yours. I try to always keep a recent version around, along with my LNX-BBC disk (which I helped design, so I'm biased) and a Tom's Root-Boot floppy. Thanks Rick, I might go and download a copy of Knoppix Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Debian Sarge, Video and Monitor Configuration
Hi, I just installed Sarge on an IBM A20 Thinkpad (2652 3CU). During the install, during the X configuration, it asked (using the medium selection), what my monitor was capable of: 1600x1200 @ 60Hz 1600x1200 @ 70ish Hz 1600x1200 @ 85Hz I picked @60 Hz, I now realize my ATI mobility rage card operates at 85Hz Where do I change that value to 85? Its not in my /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file, and I can't think of anywhere else to look. Also, can someone suggest where I can find the exact Vertical and Horizontal rates for my monitor? I've been googling and searching around IBM's website, but can't find it Thanks Jay ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
