Re: [vox-tech] Can't get RedHat Enterprise AS to Install

2004-03-07 Thread Peter Jay Salzman
On Mon 01 Mar 04, 11:36 AM, Bill Broadley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 07:18:38PM -0800, Jim Lowman wrote:
> > I suspect that the 9800 is the problem, since the archives show that 
> > usually the bleeding-edge graphics
> > cards aren't supported by Linux.  Everything is fine in Win2000, but the 
> 
> Er, bleeding edge video cards with propietary drivers are supported by
> the vendor, not linux.  Did you try the ATI driver?  It's listes as support
> the 9800 series and supports xfree86 4.1.0, 4.2.0, and 4.4.0
> 
> > Linux install barely gets off the
> > ground before I get a black screen.
> > 
> > Before the upgrades, I had RH9 installed and dual-booted with Win2000; 
> > then I had an nVIDIA GeForce2
> > MX 200 video card which worked fine, but had no DVI-out for the new display.
> 
> The nvidia drivers have been pretty good at supporting the newest cards.
> 
> > I'm going to drop the old video card back in and give it a try.  Also I 
> > bought another graphics card that uses
> > the nVIDIA 5200 - it even says that it supports Linux on the box.
> 
> Or just install without video and fix it after install.
> 
> > Any idea how long it takes before video cards like the 9800 XT Pro get 
> > supported?  I bought that for the
> > "dream machine" that I'm building.
> 
> >From what I can tell today.  Anyone know if xfree86-4.4 support for the 9800
> includes full 2d and 3d acceleration?
 
naturally it does 2D.

i heard that 4.4 also does 3D for this card, but calling it "3D support"
was said to be a "kind gesture".  it's supposed to be full of gotchas
and unimplemented advanced hw features.

pete

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Re: [vox-tech] Can't get RedHat Enterprise AS to Install

2004-03-07 Thread Bill Broadley
On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 07:18:38PM -0800, Jim Lowman wrote:
> I suspect that the 9800 is the problem, since the archives show that 
> usually the bleeding-edge graphics
> cards aren't supported by Linux.  Everything is fine in Win2000, but the 

Er, bleeding edge video cards with propietary drivers are supported by
the vendor, not linux.  Did you try the ATI driver?  It's listes as support
the 9800 series and supports xfree86 4.1.0, 4.2.0, and 4.4.0

> Linux install barely gets off the
> ground before I get a black screen.
> 
> Before the upgrades, I had RH9 installed and dual-booted with Win2000; 
> then I had an nVIDIA GeForce2
> MX 200 video card which worked fine, but had no DVI-out for the new display.

The nvidia drivers have been pretty good at supporting the newest cards.

> I'm going to drop the old video card back in and give it a try.  Also I 
> bought another graphics card that uses
> the nVIDIA 5200 - it even says that it supports Linux on the box.

Or just install without video and fix it after install.

> Any idea how long it takes before video cards like the 9800 XT Pro get 
> supported?  I bought that for the
> "dream machine" that I'm building.

>From what I can tell today.  Anyone know if xfree86-4.4 support for the 9800
includes full 2d and 3d acceleration?

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Re: [vox-tech] Can't get RedHat Enterprise AS to Install (XFree 4.3.0 doesn't support Radeon 9800)

2004-02-29 Thread Ken Bloom
On 2004.02.29 18:32, Mike Simons wrote:
On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 07:18:38PM -0800, Jim Lowman wrote:
Xfree86 4.4.0 does have support for the Radeon 9800 video card...
however it seems that XFree86 recently (Jan 29) decided to change the
license on the X server to be GPL incompatible.  Depending on how
the various distributions deal with with this it may take a while for
that card to work in most distros.
http://xfree86.org/legal/licenses.html
===
What about GPL-compatibility?
The 1.1 license is not GPL-compatible. To avoid new issues with
application programs that may be licensed under the GPL, the 1.1 licence
is not being applied to client side libraries.
===
How exactly does GPL incompatibility cause a problem for the distros?

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Re: [vox-tech] Can't get RedHat Enterprise AS to Install (XFree 4.3.0 doesn't support Radeon 9800)

2004-02-29 Thread Mike Simons
On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 07:18:38PM -0800, Jim Lowman wrote:
> I've been attempting to install RH AS 3 on my Dell 8200 after having 
> done some significant upgrades:
[...]
> -- installed an ATI Radeon 9800 XT Pro video card
> 
> I suspect that the 9800 is the problem, since the archives show that 
> usually the bleeding-edge graphics cards aren't supported by Linux.  
[...]
> Linux install barely gets off the ground before I get a black screen.
[...]
> Any idea how long it takes before video cards like the 9800 XT Pro get 
> supported?  I bought that for the "dream machine" that I'm building.
> 
> Any other advice would be greatly appreciated.

If you have a valid license for RHAS 3.0 then you are paying Redhat a lot
of money to support you, and so you should ask them when they plan to add
support for that Video Card into their release RHAS 3.0 release.

RHAS is not designed for desktop use, by even mentioning a video card
it's clear you plan to use the system as a desktop, so I advise using 
some other distribution.

RHAS 3.0 comes with XFree86 4.3.0, which does not support the Radeon
9800.  It's unlikely Redhat will change the X server from one major
version to another in one of there quarterly updates to RHAS 3.  So 
you will probably have to wait a year for RHAS 4 to come out.

Xfree86 4.4.0 does have support for the Radeon 9800 video card...
however it seems that XFree86 recently (Jan 29) decided to change the 
license on the X server to be GPL incompatible.  Depending on how
the various distributions deal with with this it may take a while for
that card to work in most distros.

http://xfree86.org/legal/licenses.html
===
What about GPL-compatibility?

The 1.1 license is not GPL-compatible. To avoid new issues with
application programs that may be licensed under the GPL, the 1.1 licence
is not being applied to client side libraries.
===

  Later,
Mike
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[vox-tech] Can't get RedHat Enterprise AS to Install

2004-02-27 Thread Jim Lowman
I've been attempting to install RH AS 3 on my Dell 8200 after having 
done some significant upgrades:

-- RAM from 256 MB to 640 MB
-- installed a Sony DRU-510A DVD burner
-- installed an Audigy sound card, vs. using motherboard-supplied audio
-- upgraded from a Dell 1702FP to a Samsung 191T+ flat-panel display
-- installed an ATI Radeon 9800 XT Pro video card
I suspect that the 9800 is the problem, since the archives show that 
usually the bleeding-edge graphics
cards aren't supported by Linux.  Everything is fine in Win2000, but the 
Linux install barely gets off the
ground before I get a black screen.

Before the upgrades, I had RH9 installed and dual-booted with Win2000; 
then I had an nVIDIA GeForce2
MX 200 video card which worked fine, but had no DVI-out for the new display.

I'm going to drop the old video card back in and give it a try.  Also I 
bought another graphics card that uses
the nVIDIA 5200 - it even says that it supports Linux on the box.

Any idea how long it takes before video cards like the 9800 XT Pro get 
supported?  I bought that for the
"dream machine" that I'm building.

Any other advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance...Jim

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