Re: [vox-tech] Netflix
On Tue, Mar 08, 2011 at 12:56:49PM -0800, Brian Lavender wrote: > On Tue, Mar 08, 2011 at 01:37:43PM -0600, Chanoch (Ken) Bloom wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 08, 2011 at 09:13:08AM -0800, Bob Scofield wrote: > > > On Tuesday 08 March 2011, Darth Borehd wrote: > > > > Netflix intentional denies Linux clients from using their streaming > > > > service > > > > because of DRM. Please send them letters and phone calls expressing why > > > > this is stupid. > > > > > > There's an online petition out there somewhere. I've signed it. > > > > Online petitions generally aren't worth the paper they're printed on. > > These online forms usually get response. > http://www.house.gov/ > http://www.senate.gov/ I was thinking that we need to get rid of DRM all together. Perhaps Darth referred to Netflix, but I am thinking of DRM. https://www.eff.org/issues/drm brian -- Brian Lavender http://www.brie.com/brian/ "There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies." Professor C. A. R. Hoare The 1980 Turing award lecture ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Netflix
Quoting Jim Stockford (j...@well.com): > how do you know online petitions are not worth...? > if i were in charge of a company or department, i'd > make sure y group was attentive to incoming electronic > info. i'd at least try to ensure that the filters were > sufficiently granular and produced useful statistics. > it's a question: do you have info or are you jaded > or some such? I suspect he has info -- and that it's the same info anyone who's taken a serious look at the history of online petitions and e-mail political campaigns arrives at: 1. The results are dead-easy to fake or alter -- notoriously so, to the point where Congressional aides politely ignore all supposed constituent letters arriving via e-mail (especially the 98%+ with oddly similar wording). 2. Generally, the petitions are venting exercises among people wanting a vendor to do something plainly not in the vendor's business interest. In this case, Netflix takes its marching orders from Our Lords in Hollywood, who have decreed strong and updatable encryption for anything at HD resolution, to control what the sheeple are permitted to. Period. If you get 100,000 people to say to Netflix 'Please provide your proprietary software for Linux x86 without requiring our machines to be DRM-imprisoned', they will find the nicest possible way to say no. And all those people signing petitions will have wasted their time and energy, having not paid attention to basics. But I guess they'll have felt a sense of accomplishment at having gone begging to a vendor. People apparently do. ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Netflix
good points! thanks. On Tue, 2011-03-08 at 15:05 -0600, Chanoch (Ken) Bloom wrote: > On Tue, 2011-03-08 at 12:28 -0800, jim wrote: > > how do you know online petitions are not worth...? > > if i were in charge of a company or department, i'd > > make sure y group was attentive to incoming electronic > > info. i'd at least try to ensure that the filters were > > sufficiently granular and produced useful statistics. > > it's a question: do you have info or are you jaded > > or some such? > > I'm jaded. But seriously online positions are a perfect example of > slacktivism -- all someone needs to do to sign it is spend a couple > minutes of their time and go on the way. Someone may come along later > and present this petition to the company in question, but most likely > the CEO will (a) only waste a couple minutes of his time looking at it > and (b) have no idea whether this is a lot of people. But I suspect a > lot of these petitions never make it to the decision makers. > > If you want Netflix on Linux, why not write your own letter to someone > in the support staff asking for help (as though you assume it should > work). That forces someone in the company to respond and makes them take > some time talking about it. And by continuing a conversation for as long > as you canm it makes it clear that you're interested enough to put in > some effort. > > But really, you often need someone with leverage to go talk to them. If > Mark Shuttleworth thought that being able to watch Netflix on Linux was > important for his business, and could try to make an appointment with > the CEO of netflix, and address them personally that would make a big > impact. Likewise, someone who's a principal developer in a Linux video > app could also make the case. But he has do discuss why DRM problems are > non-issues (or unlikely issues). > > --Ken > ___ > vox-tech mailing list > vox-tech@lists.lugod.org > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech > ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Netflix
> Original Message > Subject: Re: [vox-tech] Netflix > From: Alex Mandel > Date: Sun, March 06, 2011 11:24 pm > To: vox-tech@lists.lugod.org > > > Some Android... > http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/android_owners_netflix_has_good_news_and_bad_news.php > > It's all about the DRM > http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/the-netflix-linux-conjecture-how-netflix-snubs-the-linux-community/1745 I think the key sentence in this interview is: "... DRM is critical and we won’t do without it as we’re serious about protecting the copyright of our studio partners’ content." Netflix had to sign a contract with the movies' copyright owners. Netflix also pays royalties to them. Probably, these studios have placed restrictions on Netflix to ensure that no one can tap into the movie player's source code and convert their movies into a format that could be freely copied. ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Netflix
On Tue, 2011-03-08 at 12:28 -0800, jim wrote: > how do you know online petitions are not worth...? > if i were in charge of a company or department, i'd > make sure y group was attentive to incoming electronic > info. i'd at least try to ensure that the filters were > sufficiently granular and produced useful statistics. > it's a question: do you have info or are you jaded > or some such? I'm jaded. But seriously online positions are a perfect example of slacktivism -- all someone needs to do to sign it is spend a couple minutes of their time and go on the way. Someone may come along later and present this petition to the company in question, but most likely the CEO will (a) only waste a couple minutes of his time looking at it and (b) have no idea whether this is a lot of people. But I suspect a lot of these petitions never make it to the decision makers. If you want Netflix on Linux, why not write your own letter to someone in the support staff asking for help (as though you assume it should work). That forces someone in the company to respond and makes them take some time talking about it. And by continuing a conversation for as long as you canm it makes it clear that you're interested enough to put in some effort. But really, you often need someone with leverage to go talk to them. If Mark Shuttleworth thought that being able to watch Netflix on Linux was important for his business, and could try to make an appointment with the CEO of netflix, and address them personally that would make a big impact. Likewise, someone who's a principal developer in a Linux video app could also make the case. But he has do discuss why DRM problems are non-issues (or unlikely issues). --Ken ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Netflix
On Tue, Mar 08, 2011 at 01:37:43PM -0600, Chanoch (Ken) Bloom wrote: > On Tue, Mar 08, 2011 at 09:13:08AM -0800, Bob Scofield wrote: > > On Tuesday 08 March 2011, Darth Borehd wrote: > > > Netflix intentional denies Linux clients from using their streaming > > > service > > > because of DRM. Please send them letters and phone calls expressing why > > > this is stupid. > > > > There's an online petition out there somewhere. I've signed it. > > Online petitions generally aren't worth the paper they're printed on. These online forms usually get response. http://www.house.gov/ http://www.senate.gov/ -- Brian Lavender http://www.brie.com/brian/ "There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies." Professor C. A. R. Hoare The 1980 Turing award lecture ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Netflix
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 3:28 PM, jim wrote: > > how do you know online petitions are not worth...? > if i were in charge of a company or department, i'd > make sure y group was attentive to incoming electronic > info. i'd at least try to ensure that the filters were > sufficiently granular and produced useful statistics. > it's a question: do you have info or are you jaded > or some such? > > > > On Tue, 2011-03-08 at 13:37 -0600, Chanoch (Ken) Bloom wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 08, 2011 at 09:13:08AM -0800, Bob Scofield wrote: > > > On Tuesday 08 March 2011, Darth Borehd wrote: > > > > Netflix intentional denies Linux clients from using their streaming > > > > service > > > > because of DRM. Please send them letters and phone calls expressing why > > > > this is stupid. > > > > > > There's an online petition out there somewhere. I've signed it. > > > > Online petitions generally aren't worth the paper they're printed on. I think that generally comes from signing countless online petitions in the 90's and not seeing a single one pan out. They had a petition for everything... * video card specs released to the X developers for this chipset or that chipset * creation of a Linux client for Half-Life (there was already a server) * GPL for various really old games that people wanted to port (e.g. Redneck Rampage and Outlaws) * petition for X developers to get all the Voodoo 5 GPUs active under X/Mesa. I don't think I've seen a single petition amount to anything. Seems like their only real value is to raise public awareness of an issue when the inevitable slashdotting happens. ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Netflix
how do you know online petitions are not worth...? if i were in charge of a company or department, i'd make sure y group was attentive to incoming electronic info. i'd at least try to ensure that the filters were sufficiently granular and produced useful statistics. it's a question: do you have info or are you jaded or some such? On Tue, 2011-03-08 at 13:37 -0600, Chanoch (Ken) Bloom wrote: > On Tue, Mar 08, 2011 at 09:13:08AM -0800, Bob Scofield wrote: > > On Tuesday 08 March 2011, Darth Borehd wrote: > > > Netflix intentional denies Linux clients from using their streaming > > > service > > > because of DRM. Please send them letters and phone calls expressing why > > > this is stupid. > > > > There's an online petition out there somewhere. I've signed it. > > Online petitions generally aren't worth the paper they're printed on. > ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Netflix
On Tue, Mar 08, 2011 at 09:13:08AM -0800, Bob Scofield wrote: > On Tuesday 08 March 2011, Darth Borehd wrote: > > Netflix intentional denies Linux clients from using their streaming service > > because of DRM. Please send them letters and phone calls expressing why > > this is stupid. > > There's an online petition out there somewhere. I've signed it. Online petitions generally aren't worth the paper they're printed on. -- Chanoch (Ken) Bloom. PhD candidate. Linguistic Cognition Laboratory. Department of Computer Science. Illinois Institute of Technology. http://www.iit.edu/~kbloom1/ ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Netflix
On Tuesday 08 March 2011, Darth Borehd wrote: > Netflix intentional denies Linux clients from using their streaming service > because of DRM. Please send them letters and phone calls expressing why > this is stupid. There's an online petition out there somewhere. I've signed it. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Netflix
Netflix intentional denies Linux clients from using their streaming service because of DRM. Please send them letters and phone calls expressing why this is stupid. On 6 March 2011 14:21, jimbo wrote: > My wife and Iwas renting oscar winner and nominee movies starting from 2009 > until our neighborhood blockbusters closed. This is our only entertainment > as we have cut back severly. > > Netflix looks like a great fit. At 9.99/mo. this is a great deal. I am > however behind the times as far as streaming. > > Does anyone stream netflix with Linux programs? I think xbnc does this. > Using Linux would have huge advantages over Windblows, I think. > > I also need to find an option to stream to my non wifi tv w/o hooking my pc > to it. > > One last thing. I can use an older spare pc and hook it to my tv but what > about quality? Can I get away with a so so gpu but get 1080p pumping out > of > my set? What would be a light weight Linux distro that will let me do > this? Maybe I can come to the next installfest and not only have this but > a > dvr? > > Jim > GM > http://evesautomotive.com > > > > ___ > vox-tech mailing list > vox-tech@lists.lugod.org > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech > ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Netflix
No that's what I am talking about. This is a good thing. You say that I can tap into my network and view things like youtube and the like? Seagate has something very similar: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148585&cm_re=streaming_tv-_-22-148-585-_-Product This device does doesn't have a built in antenna like roku. You can get the external antenna but for 35 clams more. This really helps, thank you. - Original Message - From: "MB" To: Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [vox-tech] Netflix > You might look at a roku. > > http://www.roku.com/ > > It runs linux and uses very little power. Current versions also allow > you to write/install your own apps (for instance to stream from a local > network server) > > Cheers > -Mark > > On 03/06/2011 11:24 PM, Alex Mandel wrote: >> Some Android... >> http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/android_owners_netflix_has_good_news_and_bad_news.php >> >> It's all about the DRM >> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/the-netflix-linux-conjecture-how-netflix-snubs-the-linux-community/1745 >> >> You may also consider Hulu Plus or Amazon Prime which are flash based as >> opposed to Silverlight, and don't seem to be as caught up on the DRM >> nonsense. >> >> Enjoy, >> Alex >> >> On 03/06/2011 11:05 PM, Lance Geroso wrote: >>> oh and android has a netflix client, go figure >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 11:04 PM, Lance Geroso >>> wrote: >>>> sorry bud netflix DOES NOT work with Linux only systems natively yet. >>>> I know, I have netflix, you can however use nextflix on most game >>>> systems like the wii, apple devices like the iphone, in winblows via >>>> virtual box, and of course in winblows running natively off your comp. >>>> You can also try wine with firefox, but I had some issues with that, >>>> including system freezing, and I have a decent system too. Netflix >>>> keeps saying they will eventually release something for Linux users, >>>> but no one knows when. Good luck with netflix on Linux. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 2:21 PM, jimbo >>>> wrote: >>>>> My wife and Iwas renting oscar winner and nominee movies starting from >>>>> 2009 >>>>> until our neighborhood blockbusters closed. This is our only >>>>> entertainment >>>>> as we have cut back severly. >>>>> >>>>> Netflix looks like a great fit. At 9.99/mo. this is a great deal. I >>>>> am >>>>> however behind the times as far as streaming. >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone stream netflix with Linux programs? I think xbnc does >>>>> this. >>>>> Using Linux would have huge advantages over Windblows, I think. >>>>> >>>>> I also need to find an option to stream to my non wifi tv w/o hooking >>>>> my pc >>>>> to it. >>>>> >>>>> One last thing. I can use an older spare pc and hook it to my tv but >>>>> what >>>>> about quality? Can I get away with a so so gpu but get 1080p pumping >>>>> out of >>>>> my set? What would be a light weight Linux distro that will let me >>>>> do >>>>> this? Maybe I can come to the next installfest and not only have this >>>>> but a >>>>> dvr? >>>>> >>>>> Jim >>>>> GM >>>>> http://evesautomotive.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ___ >>>>> vox-tech mailing list >>>>> vox-tech@lists.lugod.org >>>>> http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech >>>>> >>> ___ >>> vox-tech mailing list >>> vox-tech@lists.lugod.org >>> http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech >> ___ >> vox-tech mailing list >> vox-tech@lists.lugod.org >> http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech >> > ___ > vox-tech mailing list > vox-tech@lists.lugod.org > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech > ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Netflix
You might look at a roku. http://www.roku.com/ It runs linux and uses very little power. Current versions also allow you to write/install your own apps (for instance to stream from a local network server) Cheers -Mark On 03/06/2011 11:24 PM, Alex Mandel wrote: > Some Android... > http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/android_owners_netflix_has_good_news_and_bad_news.php > > It's all about the DRM > http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/the-netflix-linux-conjecture-how-netflix-snubs-the-linux-community/1745 > > You may also consider Hulu Plus or Amazon Prime which are flash based as > opposed to Silverlight, and don't seem to be as caught up on the DRM > nonsense. > > Enjoy, > Alex > > On 03/06/2011 11:05 PM, Lance Geroso wrote: >> oh and android has a netflix client, go figure >> >> On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 11:04 PM, Lance Geroso wrote: >>> sorry bud netflix DOES NOT work with Linux only systems natively yet. >>> I know, I have netflix, you can however use nextflix on most game >>> systems like the wii, apple devices like the iphone, in winblows via >>> virtual box, and of course in winblows running natively off your comp. >>> You can also try wine with firefox, but I had some issues with that, >>> including system freezing, and I have a decent system too. Netflix >>> keeps saying they will eventually release something for Linux users, >>> but no one knows when. Good luck with netflix on Linux. >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 2:21 PM, jimbo wrote: My wife and Iwas renting oscar winner and nominee movies starting from 2009 until our neighborhood blockbusters closed. This is our only entertainment as we have cut back severly. Netflix looks like a great fit. At 9.99/mo. this is a great deal. I am however behind the times as far as streaming. Does anyone stream netflix with Linux programs? I think xbnc does this. Using Linux would have huge advantages over Windblows, I think. I also need to find an option to stream to my non wifi tv w/o hooking my pc to it. One last thing. I can use an older spare pc and hook it to my tv but what about quality? Can I get away with a so so gpu but get 1080p pumping out of my set? What would be a light weight Linux distro that will let me do this? Maybe I can come to the next installfest and not only have this but a dvr? Jim GM http://evesautomotive.com ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech >> ___ >> vox-tech mailing list >> vox-tech@lists.lugod.org >> http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech > ___ > vox-tech mailing list > vox-tech@lists.lugod.org > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech > ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Netflix
Some Android... http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/android_owners_netflix_has_good_news_and_bad_news.php It's all about the DRM http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/the-netflix-linux-conjecture-how-netflix-snubs-the-linux-community/1745 You may also consider Hulu Plus or Amazon Prime which are flash based as opposed to Silverlight, and don't seem to be as caught up on the DRM nonsense. Enjoy, Alex On 03/06/2011 11:05 PM, Lance Geroso wrote: > oh and android has a netflix client, go figure > > On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 11:04 PM, Lance Geroso wrote: >> sorry bud netflix DOES NOT work with Linux only systems natively yet. >> I know, I have netflix, you can however use nextflix on most game >> systems like the wii, apple devices like the iphone, in winblows via >> virtual box, and of course in winblows running natively off your comp. >> You can also try wine with firefox, but I had some issues with that, >> including system freezing, and I have a decent system too. Netflix >> keeps saying they will eventually release something for Linux users, >> but no one knows when. Good luck with netflix on Linux. >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 2:21 PM, jimbo wrote: >>> My wife and Iwas renting oscar winner and nominee movies starting from 2009 >>> until our neighborhood blockbusters closed. This is our only entertainment >>> as we have cut back severly. >>> >>> Netflix looks like a great fit. At 9.99/mo. this is a great deal. I am >>> however behind the times as far as streaming. >>> >>> Does anyone stream netflix with Linux programs? I think xbnc does this. >>> Using Linux would have huge advantages over Windblows, I think. >>> >>> I also need to find an option to stream to my non wifi tv w/o hooking my pc >>> to it. >>> >>> One last thing. I can use an older spare pc and hook it to my tv but what >>> about quality? Can I get away with a so so gpu but get 1080p pumping out of >>> my set? What would be a light weight Linux distro that will let me do >>> this? Maybe I can come to the next installfest and not only have this but a >>> dvr? >>> >>> Jim >>> GM >>> http://evesautomotive.com >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> vox-tech mailing list >>> vox-tech@lists.lugod.org >>> http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech >>> >> > ___ > vox-tech mailing list > vox-tech@lists.lugod.org > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Netflix
oh and android has a netflix client, go figure On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 11:04 PM, Lance Geroso wrote: > sorry bud netflix DOES NOT work with Linux only systems natively yet. > I know, I have netflix, you can however use nextflix on most game > systems like the wii, apple devices like the iphone, in winblows via > virtual box, and of course in winblows running natively off your comp. > You can also try wine with firefox, but I had some issues with that, > including system freezing, and I have a decent system too. Netflix > keeps saying they will eventually release something for Linux users, > but no one knows when. Good luck with netflix on Linux. > > > On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 2:21 PM, jimbo wrote: >> My wife and Iwas renting oscar winner and nominee movies starting from 2009 >> until our neighborhood blockbusters closed. This is our only entertainment >> as we have cut back severly. >> >> Netflix looks like a great fit. At 9.99/mo. this is a great deal. I am >> however behind the times as far as streaming. >> >> Does anyone stream netflix with Linux programs? I think xbnc does this. >> Using Linux would have huge advantages over Windblows, I think. >> >> I also need to find an option to stream to my non wifi tv w/o hooking my pc >> to it. >> >> One last thing. I can use an older spare pc and hook it to my tv but what >> about quality? Can I get away with a so so gpu but get 1080p pumping out of >> my set? What would be a light weight Linux distro that will let me do >> this? Maybe I can come to the next installfest and not only have this but a >> dvr? >> >> Jim >> GM >> http://evesautomotive.com >> >> >> >> ___ >> vox-tech mailing list >> vox-tech@lists.lugod.org >> http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech >> > ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Netflix
sorry bud netflix DOES NOT work with Linux only systems natively yet. I know, I have netflix, you can however use nextflix on most game systems like the wii, apple devices like the iphone, in winblows via virtual box, and of course in winblows running natively off your comp. You can also try wine with firefox, but I had some issues with that, including system freezing, and I have a decent system too. Netflix keeps saying they will eventually release something for Linux users, but no one knows when. Good luck with netflix on Linux. On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 2:21 PM, jimbo wrote: > My wife and Iwas renting oscar winner and nominee movies starting from 2009 > until our neighborhood blockbusters closed. This is our only entertainment > as we have cut back severly. > > Netflix looks like a great fit. At 9.99/mo. this is a great deal. I am > however behind the times as far as streaming. > > Does anyone stream netflix with Linux programs? I think xbnc does this. > Using Linux would have huge advantages over Windblows, I think. > > I also need to find an option to stream to my non wifi tv w/o hooking my pc > to it. > > One last thing. I can use an older spare pc and hook it to my tv but what > about quality? Can I get away with a so so gpu but get 1080p pumping out of > my set? What would be a light weight Linux distro that will let me do > this? Maybe I can come to the next installfest and not only have this but a > dvr? > > Jim > GM > http://evesautomotive.com > > > > ___ > vox-tech mailing list > vox-tech@lists.lugod.org > http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech > ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Netflix
My wife and Iwas renting oscar winner and nominee movies starting from 2009 until our neighborhood blockbusters closed. This is our only entertainment as we have cut back severly. Netflix looks like a great fit. At 9.99/mo. this is a great deal. I am however behind the times as far as streaming. Does anyone stream netflix with Linux programs? I think xbnc does this. Using Linux would have huge advantages over Windblows, I think. I also need to find an option to stream to my non wifi tv w/o hooking my pc to it. One last thing. I can use an older spare pc and hook it to my tv but what about quality? Can I get away with a so so gpu but get 1080p pumping out of my set? What would be a light weight Linux distro that will let me do this? Maybe I can come to the next installfest and not only have this but a dvr? Jim GM http://evesautomotive.com ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Netflix and Linux
Quoting Darth Borehd (darth.bor...@gmail.com): > I've been trying to get Netflix's "Watch Instantly" feature to work on > Linux. I've installed Moonlight, WINE, and User Agent Switcher for Firefox > (to spoof their website into thinking I am running IE 7). I tried going > through Boxee too (total bust). I'm out of ideas. Anybody been able to > crack this riddle? You might be able to make it work using all-Win32 versions of everything under WINE or some other Win32 environment _under_ Linux. This matter came up recently on another mailing list, so I'll just quote from my post: This appears to be Microsoft Corp's "PlayReady DRM" shipped with the Silverlight software. Checking around, I see that they deliberately restrict which OSes the DRM OKs operation on. For example, OS X operation is OK'ed by the DRM software only on Intel-based Macs running Silverlight 2.0. I.e., even PowerPC Mac OS X users running Silverlight 1.0 are shut out. Microsoft's been sucking up to Our Masters in Hollywood, and pushing the ability of PlayReady DRM to control customers, for some time. See, e.g.: http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2008/apr08/04-14SilverlightContentPR.mspx http://www.betanews.com/article/First-look-at-DRM-for-Silverlight/1208194304 http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/ages9/hands_on_moonlight_2_brings_silverlight_2_bits_of/ Note: Microsoft licenses PlayReady today for certain use cases, but they do not have a port for Linux which prevents Moonlight from using it. It is very unlikely that we will get PlayReady DRM on Linux. -- Miguel de Icaza Our Masters in Hollywood don't mind providing PlayReady DRM on a Linux-based embedded device that's sufficiently well handcuffed, however, such as the Roku Netfix Player: http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/142729 Note comment: Actually, I doubt the claim that Netflix chose Windows Media DRM because they bought a system from Microsoft; my guess is they chose it because it's the only system the content owners allow them to use. I work for a company that runs on-demand movie services. Everybody I've met on the retail side of this industry hates DRM and I'm sure Netflix doesn't like inflicting it on their customers. However, thus far, content owners, particularly larger ones, have been entirely unwilling to license their content to on-demand services that don't use DRM, and Windows Media is the only DRM implementation that is even slightly viable (yeah, it's broken, harmful technology. You don't have to convince me.) ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Netflix and Linux
I've been trying to get Netflix's "Watch Instantly" feature to work on Linux. I've installed Moonlight, WINE, and User Agent Switcher for Firefox (to spoof their website into thinking I am running IE 7). I tried going through Boxee too (total bust). I'm out of ideas. Anybody been able to crack this riddle? ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
