black thursday

[bill parker]

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> 1. wanted Imac
> From: "Colin Gordon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 2. Re: Black Thursday and Surge Protectors
> From: Bob Howells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 3. Word 2001 and OS X Permissions question
> From: "Toby Oldham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 4. Re: Software
> From: Michael Waldie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 5. want bits? dead Bondi iMac...
> From: Mark Secker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 6. LaserWriter II
> From: John Currie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 7. Re: Black Thursday and Surge Protectors
> From: Bob Howells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 8. RE: Black Thursday and Surge Protectors
> From: "Katinka Mills" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 9. Re: More PayPal Problems
> From: Matthew Healey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 10. Black Thursday Fallout
> From: chesnutt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 11. iMac gut's gone sorry ppl
> From: Mark Secker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 12. Umax scanner problem
> From: Peter Bull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 13. Removing Safari
> From: Michael Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 14. Mail merge in AWK 6
> From: Mervyn & Giuliana Bond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 15. Umax scanners
> From: "Marc Reygaert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 16. Re: Black Thursday and Surge Protectors
> From: Dark Servant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 02:23:39 -
> From: "Colin Gordon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: wanted Imac
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> Does anyone have an 'entry level' Imac for sale?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Colin Gordon
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:34:49 +0800
> From: Bob Howells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Black Thursday and Surge Protectors
> 
> 
> 
> Katinka Mills wrote:
> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: chesnutt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Sent: Thursday, 13 March 2003 10:43 PM
>>> To: Multiple recipients of
>>> Subject: Black Thursday and Surge Protectors
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Can anybody recommend some useful surge protection gear for me for the
>>> future that will adequately protect
>>> Macs/printers/faxmachines/zips/answering machines etc. I don't wish to
>>> set up megabuck UPS's; but I would like to keep my gear safe.
>>> 
>> 
>> There is only one type of surge arrestor that will even remotely have a
>> chance of working, and that is the type that is fixed to the switchboard and
>> protects everything off it, the *Earth* resistance is very important as all
>> that excess energy has to go somewhere.
>> 
>> 
> 
> And the Earth RESISTANCE will be related to the EARTH connection
> to your Power Board, which typically wires ( green/yellow or just green )
> to a Pipe or Stake in the Garden , usually found to be in nice
> DRY SANDY SOIL or stuck through the Brick Pavers .
> 
> NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
> 
> YOU NEED TO FIND A WAY TO KEEP THE SOIL.. DAMP .
> 
> 
> 
> Bob

I just went out and watered my earth link. But I was left wondering -
which particular Thursday caused the problem? How was Wednesday or Friday
and why.

Bill

A computer without a Microsoft operating system is like a dog without
bricks tied to its head.

Re: Black Thursday and Surge Protectors

[Dark Servant]

If these 2 electricians were so wrong in what they did then why are 
they not paying for a new computer and all the other materials that got 
damaged?


Ruben A. Franke





Bob


I agree Bob,

The earth Stake should be an industrial 2.1M long 19mm one, and the 
more
prone to lighting or power surges the more stakes you put in. A tap 
should
be placed next to each stake. The Tap should be opened fully for 2 
minutes a

day everyday to keep the ground damp and keep the stake working. For
Communications, I run multiple steaks each ~2-3M apart and run a 19mmm
irigation tube with decent sprays to each stake and just get the 
owner to
"water them" by turning the system on once a day for 10 minutes. The 
system
needs to be sign posted to stop Water corp fining you for using retic 
on off
days, you can just say it is an electrical protection system and 
needs to be
done (for the water conscious, a bucket of water twice aday from the 
bath

will be ok (the soap will break down the soils inability to hold water
properly)

I also mentioned upgrading the earthing system, for comms use with 
earth

wire runs over 10m I run 25mm2 cable, under 10m I use 16mm2, it is
expensive, but nowhere as near as replacing equipment.

Regards,

Kat.
---



But unfortunately all that does not help when something like the 
following

occurs :


Today I discovered what a couple of electricians with a brain between
them could do to a room full of electronic equipment while they were
replacing a mains switchboard



One would strongly suspect that these. e...workers ?.
managed to do something like disconnect the earth/neutral at the main 
board

resulting in TWO PHASE LINEs being connected as the
normal Active and Neutral to the power sockets

Can Result in an effective 440 or 415 Volts instead of the 240 Volts.

Cheers

Bob


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Umax scanners

[Marc Reygaert]

Hi Peter,

>From my experience the light globe has gone and needs replacing, 
they cost about 60-00 dollars. You used to be able to get them in Perth 
but this is no longer possible, they are ordered through Umax in Melbourne.

below is an extract from their webpage, the globes are easy to replace
Marc Reygaert
If your scanner etc. is over 12 months old and you don't have an extended 
maintenance contract get a quote for chargeable repairs [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 
call 0425 823 616 (Direct, Australia Only

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Mail merge in AWK 6

[Mervyn & Giuliana Bond]

When merging my data base in Appleworks 5 with a WP page for 
envelopes I can toggle a button in Mailmerge and see either the field 
names in my address lines or the actual data. This is a feature of 
Claris 3 to Awk5


However in attempting the same mail merge procedure in Appleworks 
6.2.4 on OSX 10.2., I find the toggle button has disappeared and only 
the field names are available.


I hope I am overlooking something or has Applework 6 regressed?

Merv
--
"Science teaches that we must see in order to believe, but we must 
also believe in order to see." 

Removing Safari

[Michael Hawkins]

I gave Safari a try today, but it seemed a bit slow. How do I remove it from
my computer?

I ran "find" from the Finder and dragged the plist and two folders called
"Safari" to trash. Is there anything more that I should do?

Thanks,

Michael Hawkins.

Umax scanner problem

[Peter Bull]

Hi all,
I have a Umax 2100U scanner hooked up to the venerable iMac 350. The scanner
doesn't get a lot of use but recently a yellow stripe has appeared down one
side on each scan. 

What is it?
Can it be fixed?
Where do I take it to get fixed?

Peter Bull
-- [EMAIL PROTECTED]

iMac gut's gone sorry ppl

[Mark Secker]

Rod was first in best dressed and gets the internals while I keep the 
eviscerated carcass... even if Mike's offer was tempting


:)

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~
Mark Secker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ph#9380 1855 (ECEL)
ECEL Computer Support Officer, University of Western Australia.
CRICOS Provider No. 00126G
~

"... the pupil is never educated to the degree of consciousness, but 
only to the degree of trust and reverence, and a child is not made a 
man, but kept a child."

Henry David Thoreau

"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving 
safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to skid across 
the line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, 
shouting GERONIMO"

Hunter S Thompson(?)

Black Thursday Fallout

[chesnutt]

Is anybody on the list able to supply the power box for an HP 840C 
printer, part number C6409-60014?

Regards,

William Chesnutt

Re: More PayPal Problems

[Matthew Healey]

On Thursday, March 13, 2003, at 02:59 PM, Mark Secker wrote:








Also the dot.com in the original link is from a group/person who
seems (in my opinion) to be.. err how shall I put it politely...

"A bunch of wacko conspiracy theory paranoids"



I probably wouldn't go that far. It is always a good thing to have a 
few people like that around because occasionally they pick up on 
something real and "keep the bastards honest". Besides, an anti-war 
site hardly constitutes "A bunch of wacko conspiracy theory 
paranoids". I certainly hope no one on this list actually believes that 
the government is looking out for the interests of the people on a 
level greater than that required to get elected again.



It's not like PayPal has a perfect record...



- Matt

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RE: Black Thursday and Surge Protectors

[Katinka Mills]

> -Original Message-
> From: Bob Howells [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, 14 March 2003 10:35 AM
> To: wamug org
> Subject: Re: Black Thursday and Surge Protectors
>
>
>
>
> Katinka Mills wrote:
>
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: chesnutt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Thursday, 13 March 2003 10:43 PM
> > > To: Multiple recipients of
> > > Subject: Black Thursday and Surge Protectors
> >
> > 
> >
> > > Can anybody recommend some useful surge protection gear for me for the
> > > future that will adequately protect
> > > Macs/printers/faxmachines/zips/answering machines etc. I
> don't wish to
> > > set up megabuck UPS's; but I would like to keep my gear safe.
> > >
> >
> > There is only one type of surge arrestor that will even remotely have a
> > chance of working, and that is the type that is fixed to the
> switchboard and
> > protects everything off it, the *Earth* resistance is very
> important as all
> > that excess energy has to go somewhere.
> >
> >
>
> And the Earth RESISTANCE will be related to the EARTH connection
> to your Power Board, which typically wires ( green/yellow or
> just green )
> to a Pipe or Stake in the Garden , usually found to be in nice
> DRY SANDY SOIL or stuck through the Brick Pavers .
>
> NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
>
> YOU NEED TO FIND A WAY TO KEEP THE SOIL.. DAMP .
>
>
>
> Bob

I agree Bob,

The earth Stake should be an industrial 2.1M long 19mm one, and the more
prone to lighting or power surges the more stakes you put in. A tap should
be placed next to each stake. The Tap should be opened fully for 2 minutes a
day everyday to keep the ground damp and keep the stake working. For
Communications, I run multiple steaks each ~2-3M apart and run a 19mmm
irigation tube with decent sprays to each stake and just get the owner to
"water them" by turning the system on once a day for 10 minutes. The system
needs to be sign posted to stop Water corp fining you for using retic on off
days, you can just say it is an electrical protection system and needs to be
done (for the water conscious, a bucket of water twice aday from the bath
will be ok (the soap will break down the soils inability to hold water
properly)

I also mentioned upgrading the earthing system, for comms use with earth
wire runs over 10m I run 25mm2 cable, under 10m I use 16mm2, it is
expensive, but nowhere as near as replacing equipment.

Regards,

Kat.
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Re: Black Thursday and Surge Protectors

[Bob Howells]

> >
> > Bob
>
> I agree Bob,
>
> The earth Stake should be an industrial 2.1M long 19mm one, and the more
> prone to lighting or power surges the more stakes you put in. A tap should
> be placed next to each stake. The Tap should be opened fully for 2 minutes a
> day everyday to keep the ground damp and keep the stake working. For
> Communications, I run multiple steaks each ~2-3M apart and run a 19mmm
> irigation tube with decent sprays to each stake and just get the owner to
> "water them" by turning the system on once a day for 10 minutes. The system
> needs to be sign posted to stop Water corp fining you for using retic on off
> days, you can just say it is an electrical protection system and needs to be
> done (for the water conscious, a bucket of water twice aday from the bath
> will be ok (the soap will break down the soils inability to hold water
> properly)
>
> I also mentioned upgrading the earthing system, for comms use with earth
> wire runs over 10m I run 25mm2 cable, under 10m I use 16mm2, it is
> expensive, but nowhere as near as replacing equipment.
>
> Regards,
>
> Kat.
> ---
>

But unfortunately all that does not help when something like the following
occurs :

> Today I discovered what a couple of electricians with a brain between
> them could do to a room full of electronic equipment while they were
> replacing a mains switchboard


One would strongly suspect that these. e...workers ?.
managed to do something like disconnect the earth/neutral at the main board
resulting in TWO PHASE LINEs being connected as the
normal Active and Neutral to the power sockets

Can Result in an effective 440 or 415 Volts instead of the 240 Volts.

Cheers

Bob

LaserWriter II

[John Currie]

I have three LaserWriter II's which have gone to join Caxton, printing out
the angel's rosters
Any body want the cadavers for parts - letter boxes - boat anchors ?

email or ring me
9437 3168
0407 194 165

want bits? dead Bondi iMac...

[Mark Secker]

finally managed to lay my hands on a Bondi iMac... well specifically 
- a dead Bondi iMac - this beast has been in for more repairs than an 
AFL players knee, to the extent that most of the plastic tags on the 
case are gone and the user has bitten the bullet and purchased a new 
G4.


So now apart from having the beginnings on an iAquarium (back off man 
this case IS MINE!!) I also have the guts from the beast - 
everything internal except the hard disk & CD drive is available for 
claiming... I can't tell you what works and what wont as I was not 
involved in the final postmortem but I know that in the past it has 
had several analog boards, and the power supply and memory replaced.



Now all I need is a couple of gutted B&W G3 and/or G4 towers :)


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~
Mark Secker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ph#9380 1855 (ECEL)
ECEL Computer Support Officer, University of Western Australia.
CRICOS Provider No. 00126G
~

"... the pupil is never educated to the degree of consciousness, but 
only to the degree of trust and reverence, and a child is not made a 
man, but kept a child."

Henry David Thoreau

"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving 
safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to skid across 
the line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, 
shouting GERONIMO"

Hunter S Thompson(?)

Re: Software

[Michael Waldie]

On Thursday, March 13, 2003, at 07:04 PM, Sojourn wrote:

> I'm considering buying:
> Photoshop Elements 2
> Keynote
> and maybe
> First Edge MYOB or
> Quicken for mac
> Firstly where can I get these? Do they run in os x?
> Where can I buy them at Education/academic prices?

Hi Rosemary,

Photoshop Elements 2, Keynote and MYOB are all OS X native. Quicken 
I believe is not available for the Mac outside the U.S.

Photoshop Elements 2 and Keynote both have academic pricing. MYOB does 
not, unfortunately. We usually have copies of Photoshop Elements 2 in 
stock and are looking at getting Keynote in. MYOB we do not keep in 
stock as it doesn't have academic pricing. Usually students just buy 
the MYOB test drive, which has full working versions of most of their 
PC products and Palm OS, but also AccountEdge for the Mac. I'm sure 
they will bring out a new version soon with FirstEdge on it as well.

All you need is to come in and produce current student I.D. with a 
photo on it and you can receive the products at academic prices.

If you would like prices via email, contact me off list.

Regards
~
Michael Waldie
Sales consultant

Curtin Computer Shop
Curtin University Bookshop
Curtin University of Technology
Ph: 08 9266 2700
Fax: 08 9266 3188
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.bookshop.curtin.edu.au/


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Word 2001 and OS X Permissions question

[Toby Oldham]

Hi all, 'hoping someone might shed some (further to my exploration) light on an 
issue I'm having with one of my office's iMacs.

Overview:
I've got an iMac (400mhz, firewire model, CD, 320megs RAM, 9 gig hard disk 
w/2gig free space), running a clean OS X 10.2.4 and a clean Classic 9.2.2 w/ 
Office 2001 and Outlook 2001.

It's connected (via a ethernet network) to an Appleshare server (P/Mac G4 400 
AGP with 512meg RAM) running ASIP v6.3.3.

[Don't ask why I'm running 10.2.4 ;) ... I'm testing to see if some issues I 
was experiencing with Outlook 2001 was related to a conflict between classic IE 
and Outlook.]

--
The issue:
Occasionally a Word file opened by the iMac on the ASIP server will 'rename' 
itself when you try to close it (first asking if you want to save the file ... 
even if you've been saving while editing), calling itself a 'work work file'. 
You generally notice these files when Word crashes - this kinda file is found 
in the trash after a restart.

More importantly, _when_ Word creats this 'word work file' it _deletes_ the 
original file on the server, so you're left asking the question - WTF happened 
to my file?

Exploration on the Word support newsgroup suggested that it is a permissions 
problem. John McGhie in Sydney had this to say:

---
Yes: Permissioning on OS X server is character-building.

What many system administrators do not understand is that Word needs "Full
Permissions" (read, write, execute and remove) to the file folder and to
the temporary files directory to save a file.

Now, I have no idea about OS X server, but if I explain that a Word file
"save" is actually a Write, Rename, Rename, Delete operation you will see
the problem.

Word first writes the current file state out to a temporary file, then it
deletes the backup file, then renames the current file, then it renames the
temporary file. The idea is to improve disk access speed and safety, but it
requires that the user has REMOVE and RENAME permissions to the server
directory.

I assume you have run the "Repair Permissions" utility since your last
update to that server?

If you have the option, try connecting the users with SMB rather than AFP:
Admins using Windows file servers seem to be having more success with that.
---

The problem I'm experiencing sounds very similar to this description, except 
that I'm running ASIP 6.3.3 rather than the OS X Server 10.2 used in the quoted 
response above.

Is the problem that the filesharing permissions offered by 10.2.4 on the iMac 
don't quite translate through to what word 2001 requires to talk to the ASIP 
server correctly (via classic)?

Any suggestions? I'd like to find an answer that doesn't result in running OS 
9.2.2 as default, OS 10.2.4 is running flawlessy on this iMac ... besides this 
issue.

If you have any light to shed or answers, you can contact me at work at 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Cheers,

Tobes.

Re: Black Thursday and Surge Protectors

[Bob Howells]

Katinka Mills wrote:

> > -Original Message-
> > From: chesnutt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, 13 March 2003 10:43 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of
> > Subject: Black Thursday and Surge Protectors
>
> 
>
> > Can anybody recommend some useful surge protection gear for me for the
> > future that will adequately protect
> > Macs/printers/faxmachines/zips/answering machines etc. I don't wish to
> > set up megabuck UPS's; but I would like to keep my gear safe.
> >
>
> There is only one type of surge arrestor that will even remotely have a
> chance of working, and that is the type that is fixed to the switchboard and
> protects everything off it, the *Earth* resistance is very important as all
> that excess energy has to go somewhere.
>
>

And the Earth RESISTANCE will be related to the EARTH connection
to your Power Board, which typically wires ( green/yellow or just green )
to a Pipe or Stake in the Garden , usually found to be in nice
DRY SANDY SOIL or stuck through the Brick Pavers .

NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

YOU NEED TO FIND A WAY TO KEEP THE SOIL.. DAMP .



Bob





> 
>
> If the people who designed the Power supplies (switch mode) did a good job,
> and the equipment is used within its rating (IE a standard computer with a
> standard power supply should not be used in a large metalworking factory) by
> rating I am talking of the one you are not told about, its surge capacity,
> which for most *domestic / Office* equipment is class 1 IIRC and class 3 is
> for industrial / middle of no where that is prone to 100+ strikes a year.
> Then the equipment will need no extra protection.
>
> 
>
> If you have money to waste then call in a surge specialist. If you want some
> extra protection for a small amount call in an electrician, and get the
> Earthing system upgraded, and a clipsal (or equivalent) surge suppressor
> (with plugable elements so can change them when they blow) and check them
> regularly as you only know they are faulty when other things stop working.
>
> Even home owners should do this.
>
> Regards,
>
> Kat. (who used to do this sort of things for phone systems)
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wanted Imac

[Colin Gordon]

Does anyone have an 'entry level' Imac for sale?

Thanks

Colin Gordon