Re: iPhone - still only Optus selling unlocked ?

[Michael Waldie]

The $199 US price was not for all AT&T customers, you had to meet  
certain criteria and that was the cost of it on a 24 month contract.  
US prices also do not include any taxes.


But those prices do seem a fair bit higher than getting a pre paid  
through Optus and unlocking it.


On 07/08/2008, at 10:37 AM, gary dorn wrote:

I believe just the handsets might be available from Nextbyte  
Nedlands and they have stock

8GB $1099
16GB$1199
Regards, BRett


So much for having a max price of $199 US
marketing zippo hey!

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Re: Westnet login on Safari

[Rob Findlay]

You would want to be careful of those email if you were on a PC!
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9111858

On 07/08/2008, at 9:34 AM, Paul Weaver wrote:


Thanks for that Ronda.  I deleted the old keychain bit and everything
seems back to normal.  I recall that yesterday I opened an email
ostensibly from CNN which froze my iMac completely.  Maybe that had
something to do with it?

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Re: iPhone - still only Optus selling unlocked ?

[Chris Griffiths]

That's what Apple are REALLY good at!

Regards Chris Griffiths

On 07/08/2008, at 10:37 AM, gary dorn wrote:

I believe just the handsets might be available from Nextbyte  
Nedlands and they have stock

8GB $1099
16GB$1199
Regards, BRett


So much for having a max price of $199 US
marketing zippo hey!

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Re: iPhone - still only Optus selling unlocked ?

[gary dorn]

I believe just the handsets might be available from Nextbyte 
Nedlands and they have stock

8GB $1099
16GB$1199
Regards, BRett


So much for having a max price of $199 US
marketing zippo hey!

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Re: iPhone - still only Optus selling unlocked ?

[Brett Clarke]

I believe just the handsets might be available from Nextbyte Nedlands  
and they have stock

8GB $1099
16GB$1199
Regards, BRett

On 07/08/2008, at 4:23 AM, Steven Knowles wrote:

For those that are keeping right on top of the iPhone plans, could I  
trouble
someone to confirm that Optus are currently the only telco with an  
unlocked

version of the iPhone on offer? That's the last I heard.

Basically all I need is an unlocked handset, as it will be for use on
Etislat  in the UAE.

Optus FAQ states...

-
"The iPhone 3G will be locked to the Optus Network.

If you connect the iPhone 3G to a Post-Paid (on account) contract  
you are
able to unlock the handset by calling Optus Customer Service. No  
unlocking

fee is applicable.

With Optus Pre-Paid an $80 fee applies if network locking is removed  
within
the first 6 months from the activation date. Alternatively, the  
customer

needs to have recharged up to the value of $80."
-

So I interpret this as that an unlocked version of the iPhone would  
cost me

$80 more than buying the just the handset itself. Correct? Is there a
cheaper option?

I don't like the idea of being a guinea pig - there's gotta be  
someone out
there who's tested this already, ie. an Optus-sold unlocked iPhone  
on a

foreign network?

Why is it that only Optus sell an unlocked version (if that is still  
the

case)?

Cheers, Steven


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Re: FireWire 800

[Mervyn & Giuliana Bond]

Thanks Mike.
Will now have to investigate external HDs and cables.
Merv


Merv

There is power carried on a 9 pin cable - pin 8, 30v unregulated DC.
BTW it's also carried on the 6 pin connector (pin 1), but not on the 
4 pin one.


Cheers

Mike Fuller

On 07/08/2008, at 9:23 AM, Mervyn & Giuliana Bond wrote:


Does the FireWire 800 9-9 pin cable carry power and data or just data?
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Re: FireWire 800

[Mike Fuller]

Merv

There is power carried on a 9 pin cable - pin 8, 30v unregulated DC.
BTW it's also carried on the 6 pin connector (pin 1), but not on the  
4 pin one.


Cheers

Mike Fuller

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Does the FireWire 800 9-9 pin cable carry power and data or just data?
Merv
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Re: Westnet login on Safari

[Paul Weaver]

Thanks for that Ronda.  I deleted the old keychain bit and everything
seems back to normal.  I recall that yesterday I opened an email
ostensibly from CNN which froze my iMac completely.  Maybe that had
something to do with it?

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FireWire 800

[Mervyn & Giuliana Bond]

Does the FireWire 800 9-9 pin cable carry power and data or just data?
Merv
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Re: Westnet login on Safari

[Ronda Brown]

Hello Barb & Paul,

If you are sure the Mail POP account has all the correct settings, and  
the password is correct.


1. Quit Mail

2. Open Keychain Access which (if it's not showing on the top Menu of  
the desktop) it is in Applications > Utilities > Keychain Access.app  
and manually delete the Keychain entry for the mail account.


3. Restart Mail and it will ask for the Mail account's  password  
again, type in the password and tick

'Remember this password in my keychain'.

Now the password should be stored correctly and Keychain access will  
do the email password in the "background" when you check for new mail.


Cheers,
Ronni

On 07/08/2008, at 6:15 AM, Barb Zahari wrote:

I've had this same problem on & off with Mail ever since moving to  
Westnet from IT in April.
It won't remember my email address or password details either, or  
says they're incorrect.
Just this morning I got a "message" that Mail could not log in  
because my password was incorrect & had to re-enter password -  
despite the fact that it had been happily downloading emails for  
hours before this.


BarbZ


On 7 Aug 2008, at 5:14 AM, Paul Weaver wrote:
On another computer I use Safari 3.1.2 has started tossing up a  
message that
my Westnet email details are incorrect when they are not.  They   
also used
to autofill on the browser but this too has ceased.  I've checked  
all the

settings but can't see anything adverse.  Any ideas please?

Paul.





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Re: iPhone - still only Optus selling unlocked ?

[Christopher S]

Yes the price for the unlock on Telstra is $150 - no exceptions. I put in a
complaint with the TIO as I eventually purchased the phone outright from
Telstra. However they just said it's a commercial decision and they can't do
anything.

So if you want one off plan and unlocked Optus is the way to go.

Regards,

Chris.

> From: Chris Griffiths <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: WAMUG Mailing List 
> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 07:08:28 +0800
> To: WAMUG Mailing List 
> Subject: Re: iPhone - still only Optus selling unlocked ?
> 
> A mate of mine wanted an iphone quickly and he rang Telstra Morley. He
> said they had heaps of them. They will also unlock the phone
> apparently. I think for a price!
> 
> Regards Chris Griffiths
> 
> On 07/08/2008, at 4:23 AM, Steven Knowles wrote:
> 
>> For those that are keeping right on top of the iPhone plans, could I
>> trouble
>> someone to confirm that Optus are currently the only telco with an
>> unlocked
>> version of the iPhone on offer? That's the last I heard.
>> 
>> Basically all I need is an unlocked handset, as it will be for use on
>> Etislat  in the UAE.
>> 
>> Optus FAQ states...
>> 
>> -
>> "The iPhone 3G will be locked to the Optus Network.
>> 
>> If you connect the iPhone 3G to a Post-Paid (on account) contract
>> you are
>> able to unlock the handset by calling Optus Customer Service. No
>> unlocking
>> fee is applicable.
>> 
>> With Optus Pre-Paid an $80 fee applies if network locking is removed
>> within
>> the first 6 months from the activation date. Alternatively, the
>> customer
>> needs to have recharged up to the value of $80."
>> -
>> 
>> So I interpret this as that an unlocked version of the iPhone would
>> cost me
>> $80 more than buying the just the handset itself. Correct? Is there a
>> cheaper option?
>> 
>> I don't like the idea of being a guinea pig - there's gotta be
>> someone out
>> there who's tested this already, ie. an Optus-sold unlocked iPhone
>> on a
>> foreign network?
>> 
>> Why is it that only Optus sell an unlocked version (if that is still
>> the
>> case)?
>> 
>> Cheers, Steven
>> 
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Re: iPhone - still only Optus selling unlocked ?

[Chris Griffiths]

A mate of mine wanted an iphone quickly and he rang Telstra Morley. He  
said they had heaps of them. They will also unlock the phone  
apparently. I think for a price!


Regards Chris Griffiths

On 07/08/2008, at 4:23 AM, Steven Knowles wrote:

For those that are keeping right on top of the iPhone plans, could I  
trouble
someone to confirm that Optus are currently the only telco with an  
unlocked

version of the iPhone on offer? That's the last I heard.

Basically all I need is an unlocked handset, as it will be for use on
Etislat  in the UAE.

Optus FAQ states...

-
"The iPhone 3G will be locked to the Optus Network.

If you connect the iPhone 3G to a Post-Paid (on account) contract  
you are
able to unlock the handset by calling Optus Customer Service. No  
unlocking

fee is applicable.

With Optus Pre-Paid an $80 fee applies if network locking is removed  
within
the first 6 months from the activation date. Alternatively, the  
customer

needs to have recharged up to the value of $80."
-

So I interpret this as that an unlocked version of the iPhone would  
cost me

$80 more than buying the just the handset itself. Correct? Is there a
cheaper option?

I don't like the idea of being a guinea pig - there's gotta be  
someone out
there who's tested this already, ie. an Optus-sold unlocked iPhone  
on a

foreign network?

Why is it that only Optus sell an unlocked version (if that is still  
the

case)?

Cheers, Steven


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Re: iPhone - still only Optus selling unlocked ?

[F.W. Hänel]

No, I was told by Telstra (iPhone phone inquiry) that they will unlock  
it for $75.--

Can't remember which plan you had to sign up for.
That was 2 days ago.

Cheers,

Walter


On 07/08/2008, at 4:23 AM, Steven Knowles wrote:

For those that are keeping right on top of the iPhone plans, could I  
trouble
someone to confirm that Optus are currently the only telco with an  
unlocked

version of the iPhone on offer? That's the last I heard.

Basically all I need is an unlocked handset, as it will be for use on
Etislat  in the UAE.

Optus FAQ states...

-
"The iPhone 3G will be locked to the Optus Network.

If you connect the iPhone 3G to a Post-Paid (on account) contract  
you are
able to unlock the handset by calling Optus Customer Service. No  
unlocking

fee is applicable.

With Optus Pre-Paid an $80 fee applies if network locking is removed  
within
the first 6 months from the activation date. Alternatively, the  
customer

needs to have recharged up to the value of $80."
-

So I interpret this as that an unlocked version of the iPhone would  
cost me

$80 more than buying the just the handset itself. Correct? Is there a
cheaper option?

I don't like the idea of being a guinea pig - there's gotta be  
someone out
there who's tested this already, ie. an Optus-sold unlocked iPhone  
on a

foreign network?

Why is it that only Optus sell an unlocked version (if that is still  
the

case)?

Cheers, Steven


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Re: Westnet login on Safari

[Barb Zahari]

I've had this same problem on & off with Mail ever since moving to 
Westnet from IT in April.
It won't remember my email address or password details either, or says 
they're incorrect.
Just this morning I got a "message" that Mail could not log in because 
my password was incorrect & had to re-enter password - despite the fact 
that it had been happily downloading emails for hours before this.


BarbZ


On 7 Aug 2008, at 5:14 AM, Paul Weaver wrote:
On another computer I use Safari 3.1.2 has started tossing up a message 
that
my Westnet email details are incorrect when they are not.  They  also 
used
to autofill on the browser but this too has ceased.  I've checked all 
the

settings but can't see anything adverse.  Any ideas please?

Paul.



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Westnet login on Safari

[Paul Weaver]

On another computer I use Safari 3.1.2 has started tossing up a message that
my Westnet email details are incorrect when they are not.  They  also used
to autofill on the browser but this too has ceased.  I've checked all the
settings but can't see anything adverse.  Any ideas please?

Paul. 

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iPhone - still only Optus selling unlocked ?

[Steven Knowles]

For those that are keeping right on top of the iPhone plans, could I trouble
someone to confirm that Optus are currently the only telco with an unlocked
version of the iPhone on offer? That's the last I heard.

Basically all I need is an unlocked handset, as it will be for use on
Etislat  in the UAE.

Optus FAQ states...

-
"The iPhone 3G will be locked to the Optus Network.

If you connect the iPhone 3G to a Post-Paid (on account) contract you are
able to unlock the handset by calling Optus Customer Service. No unlocking
fee is applicable.

With Optus Pre-Paid an $80 fee applies if network locking is removed within
the first 6 months from the activation date. Alternatively, the customer
needs to have recharged up to the value of $80."
-

So I interpret this as that an unlocked version of the iPhone would cost me
$80 more than buying the just the handset itself. Correct? Is there a
cheaper option?

I don't like the idea of being a guinea pig - there's gotta be someone out
there who's tested this already, ie. an Optus-sold unlocked iPhone on a
foreign network?

Why is it that only Optus sell an unlocked version (if that is still the
case)?

Cheers, Steven


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Re: Google Maps "Street View"

[Brett Clarke]

Hadn't seen this
Thanks Shay
Brett

On 06/08/2008, at 10:19 PM, Shay Telfer wrote:


Brett Clarke wrote:

SInce google doesn't own the satellites and they obtain the sat and
airial images from a third party only when they are published at  
various
intervals, at this point, there should be no expectation that there  
is
any relationship between the dates of the sat/ airial images and  
those

street level images collected collected by google's own bugs.

What might be interesting in 50 years time or so when google and NASA
etc have amassed sufficient image data, is for google to add a "time"
slider to google maps and streetview, that would provide a co- 
ordinated
(in time) view of the planet and streets so we could begin (the  
nearest

thing to) time travel!!!

Cheers, BRett


There is something like this in Google Earth, not that I've been  
able to find it in my frequently-crashing copy


http://gearthblog.com/blog/archives/2006/11/four_new_featured_go.html

Have fun,
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Re: Google Maps "Street View"

[Shay Telfer]

Brett Clarke wrote:

 SInce google doesn't own the satellites and they obtain the sat and
 airial images from a third party only when they are published at various
 intervals, at this point, there should be no expectation that there is
 any relationship between the dates of the sat/ airial images and those
 street level images collected collected by google's own bugs.

 What might be interesting in 50 years time or so when google and NASA
 etc have amassed sufficient image data, is for google to add a "time"
 slider to google maps and streetview, that would provide a co-ordinated
 (in time) view of the planet and streets so we could begin (the nearest
 thing to) time travel!!!

 Cheers, BRett


There is something like this in Google Earth, not that I've been able 
to find it in my frequently-crashing copy


http://gearthblog.com/blog/archives/2006/11/four_new_featured_go.html

Have fun,
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Hints to avoid phishing

[Robert Howells]

Hi All ,

Debate here about Safari not having  anti phishing protection

Well worth the read for the hints it gives to help avoid being caught  
out





Have fun


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Re: Just can't get MobileMe to Sync with mac or iPhone

[Chris Griffiths]

Thanks Wendy but I realised that I just hadn't got the time zone right  
on my MobileMe and all my appointments were showing up early in the  
morning and I just didn't see them. So I changed the time zone and  
everything is fine. Silly me!


Thanks anyway.

On 06/08/2008, at 10:00 PM, Wendy S. Austin wrote:


What happens when you try Chris?   Error message?

Wendy


On 06 Aug 2008, at 13:03, Chris Griffiths wrote:

Just can't seem to get them to sync together.

Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?


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What happens when you try Chris?   Error message?

Wendy


On 06 Aug 2008, at 13:03, Chris Griffiths wrote:

Just can't seem to get them to sync together.

Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?


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Re: Un-install Adobe

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On 6/8/08 8:19 PM, "Mervyn & Giuliana Bond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 I have inadvertently installed Adobe Reader 9 twice on my iMac intel
 running OS 10.5.4.
 Is there an uninstall that I can use on one of them?
 Advice please.
 Merv


Hi Merv

You just just drag one to the trash, it will remove it.
It's a nice easy one to "uninstall".

Kind Regards
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Thanks Daniel.  Rescued again.
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I have a Perth based friend looking for a good, recent second hand Mac  
with a built in iSight. Will take a laptop but prefers a desktop.  
Anyone have a machine you are thinking of offloading? She wants to  
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On 6/8/08 8:19 PM, "Mervyn & Giuliana Bond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have inadvertently installed Adobe Reader 9 twice on my iMac intel
> running OS 10.5.4.
> Is there an uninstall that I can use on one of them?
> Advice please.
> Merv

Hi Merv

You just just drag one to the trash, it will remove it.
It's a nice easy one to "uninstall".

Kind Regards
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Is there an uninstall that I can use on one of them?
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Re: Google Maps "Street View"

[Neil Houghton]

Yeah, never had any expectation that there would be any correlation between
the street and satellite images.

An indication of the dates applicable to the particular images would however
be nice & shouldn't be too hard.

Ie is the satellite image I'm looking at 1 month, 6 month, 1 year, 5 year
old? (Similar for the street view)

Cheer


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on 6/8/08 5:43 PM, Brett Clarke at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> SInce google doesn't own the satellites and they obtain the sat and
> airial images from a third party only when they are published at
> various intervals, at this point, there should be no expectation that
> there is any relationship between the dates of the sat/ airial images
> and those street level images collected collected by google's own bugs.
> 
> What might be interesting in 50 years time or so when google and NASA
> etc have amassed sufficient image data, is for google to add a "time"
> slider to google maps and streetview, that would provide a co-
> ordinated (in time) view of the planet and streets so we could begin
> (the nearest thing to) time travel!!!
> 
> Cheers, BRett
> 
> 
> On 06/08/2008, at 10:46 AM, Neil Houghton wrote:
> 
>> HeHe,
>> 
>> I sort of noticed the opposite round here.
>> 
>> The Street view photos are obviously much more recent than the
>> satellite
>> images.
>> 
>> So you can have the surreal situation where the street view is
>> showing a
>> house while the photo pointer on the satellite view shows you are
>> looking at
>> open space, with no signs of a building to be seen.
>> 
>> It would be interesting to know the photo dates, at any particular
>> location,
>> for both the satellite images and the street views!!
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> 
>> Neil
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Re: Google Maps "Street View"

[Brett Clarke]

SInce google doesn't own the satellites and they obtain the sat and  
airial images from a third party only when they are published at  
various intervals, at this point, there should be no expectation that  
there is any relationship between the dates of the sat/ airial images  
and those street level images collected collected by google's own bugs.


What might be interesting in 50 years time or so when google and NASA  
etc have amassed sufficient image data, is for google to add a "time"  
slider to google maps and streetview, that would provide a co- 
ordinated (in time) view of the planet and streets so we could begin  
(the nearest thing to) time travel!!!


Cheers, BRett


On 06/08/2008, at 10:46 AM, Neil Houghton wrote:


HeHe,

I sort of noticed the opposite round here.

The Street view photos are obviously much more recent than the  
satellite

images.

So you can have the surreal situation where the street view is  
showing a
house while the photo pointer on the satellite view shows you are  
looking at

open space, with no signs of a building to be seen.

It would be interesting to know the photo dates, at any particular  
location,

for both the satellite images and the street views!!


Cheers


Neil
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Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
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on 5/8/08 8:21 PM, Barb Zahari at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Not all .. Breamlea on the Bellarine Peninsula (south Victoria),  
where

my sister lives, doesn't have any "blue-lined" roads;
ie I can see the position of her house marked on the map, & I can see
her actual house in Google Earth, but no Street View.

BarbZ


On 5 Aug 2008, at 5:55 PM, Reg Whitely wrote:

Rats, the car is on the wrong side of the road. That means it was
travelling north. We were travelling south and we overtook it. That
means they were going south too (!). Have they done all of Oz?

Reg







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Re: Google Maps "Street View"

[Barb Zahari]

The satellite images of Perth, at least in my area, are over 5 years 
old - I can tell from my own backyard.
I moved here Jan 30 2003 & a month or so later enclosed half the 
backyard for my cats - the satellite photo shows no enclosure, so must 
be prior to March 2003.


Street view of my place is definitely taken sometime after the 
beginning of 2007, likely summer (either 2007 or 2007/08) from the 
early morning shadows.


Also found there is almost no coverage of the whole Bellarine Peninsula 
in Victoria, virtually one main road from Geelong to Torquay only.


And if you look at the Melbourne suburb of Reservoir, where one of my 
sons lives, they have covered some roads but not others;
ie his house is near a T junction - the other road is covered, but not 
his. I can see the junction of his road & the first 2 houses, but not 
his house which is the 3rd in the street. Looking at the "blue lined" 
street map of the area, quite a few streets have been missed.


Also found the satellite photos are not always accurate in pinpointing 
an address.
My other son lives in London, & Google Maps marks his place a whole 
block away from its actual location - I've stayed there 3 times & know 
the various features of the area, so can pick out the actual corner 
it's on.


BarbZ



On 6 Aug 2008, at 10:46 AM, Neil Houghton wrote:

HeHe,

I sort of noticed the opposite round here.

The Street view photos are obviously much more recent than the 
satellite

images.

So you can have the surreal situation where the street view is showing 
a
house while the photo pointer on the satellite view shows you are 
looking at

open space, with no signs of a building to be seen.

It would be interesting to know the photo dates, at any particular 
location,

for both the satellite images and the street views!!


Cheers


Neil
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on 5/8/08 8:21 PM, Barb Zahari at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Not all .. Breamlea on the Bellarine Peninsula (south Victoria), where
my sister lives, doesn't have any "blue-lined" roads;
ie I can see the position of her house marked on the map, & I can see
her actual house in Google Earth, but no Street View.

BarbZ


On 5 Aug 2008, at 5:55 PM, Reg Whitely wrote:

Rats, the car is on the wrong side of the road. That means it was
travelling north. We were travelling south and we overtook it. That
means they were going south too (!). Have they done all of Oz?

Reg





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