Re: Best format for importing music to iTunes?

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Neil,
On 03/11/2008, at 11:19 AM, Neil Houghton wrote:

Out of interest, for your MacBook Pro and iPod Touch why did you go  
MP3
rather than AAC - general compatibility with other devices, or  
something

else?


I convert the AIFF files to MP3 instead of AAC as I also burn MP3  
Discs to play in my Car.
Put one disc in my Car's CD player & I have about 9 hours of music for  
a long trip ;-)


Given your previous comparisons of formats/bit rates, I assume you  
go 192

for the MP3s?


Yes, definitely 192 Kbps


Also, when you say:

(Of course my  iTunes Music Library is included in my weekly  
backups to

another  External FW Drive.)


are you talking about the AIFF files on your external FW drive, or  
your MP3

files on your MacBook Pro (or both)? - I wasn't sure whether you had a
desktop Mac & used the ext FW drive for its iTunes library (as well as
having the MacBook Pro with the MP3 iTunes library) or whether the  
laptop

was your main computer and the FW drive was just for a music archive.


The MacBook Pro is my main computer. I share my iTunes Library with my  
MacMini which runs EyeTV, and is connected to my Surround Sound  
Amplifier System.

The 'Music' FW Drive holds the AIFF files.
My iTunes Library (which has the MP3's & some AIFF files) is included  
in my weekly backup of my 'Home Folder' to another External FW Drive.


Cheers,
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Re: iMac to hi-fi

[Neil Houghton]

Hi all,

More interesting stuff on Macs & music playback - thanks guys!

Does anyone have any more thoughts re the relative noise factors of:

1 - direct wired connection to stereo
2 - direct optical connection to stereo
3 - iMic connection to stereo
4 - Airtunes to Airport express connected to stereo

I'm assuming that the noise (ignoring any original recording noise that got
digitised - because that is common to any playback) has to get picked up
AFTER the A/D conversion  process so that Paul finds that 3 is better than 1
because of the physical separation of the A/D from the computer to the iMic.

I'm not familiar with TOSlink equipment, but I assume that if both the
computer and the stereo have optical out/in then the TOSlink cable is pure
fibre optic and the A/D conversion happens in the stereo - so there can be
no computer induced noise and the sound is as good as the original digital
file and the stereo system permit? So, theoretically, this has to be the
best connection? Or am I missing something ;)

With 4 (which is the route I am presently considering) it seems that you
have the advantage of physically separating the A/D conversion from the
computer - but then the Airport Express itself may introduce some noise?

Anybody done any listening/comparison tests (like Paul describes) with the
Airtunes/Airport express set-up?


TIA


Cheers


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on 3/11/08 10:46 AM, Paul Kitchener at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Mark Secker wrote:
>> One issue I've found with my tower that may or may not be an issue
>> with iMacs is that unless I actually mute the computer's volume before
>> shut down the start up chime is always at full volume which would
>> damage non protected speakers so make sure your speakers or amp have
>> active speaker protection if your going to leave the system plugged in
>> all the time (rather than just occasionally  jack it in to the system
>> to spin some iTunes music)
>> 
>> another solution is to use a USB  Audio converter... I've used one in
>> the past but can't say it produced notably clearer audio.
> 
> Hi Vlad, Mark and others,
> 
> iMac to brand name 3.5mm-to-double-RCA to 80's Bang and Oluffsen Stereo
> Amplifier.
> Foundation shaking!
> 
> I installed 'Startup Sound' in order to control the start chime volume.
> Works.
> 
> If I keep the iMac's volume down and the amplifier's up I can hear small
> amounts of introduced noise from the iMac, minimal though.
> I suspect it is related to networking as I can reproduce the noise while
> using the mouse/cursor in Screen Sharing.
> If I turn the iMac up and the amplifier down this is inaudible as I am
> no longer amplifying it as much.
> 
> Better still, I have connected a Griffin iMic which solves the issue.
> I got it for improved recordings but if the output volume needs to be
> high, like for a party or during vacuuming, it is better.
> Apparently it's external location avoids 'noise' from the computer.
> 
> Have fun
> Paul



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Re: Best format for importing music to iTunes?

[Neil Houghton]

Hi Ronni,

Thanks very much for the feedback, it helps me get my head around some of
the issues. I hear what you say about only wanting to archive the CDs once.

Out of interest, for your MacBook Pro and iPod Touch why did you go MP3
rather than AAC - general compatibility with other devices, or something
else?

Given your previous comparisons of formats/bit rates, I assume you go 192
for the MP3s?

Also, when you say:

> (Of course my  iTunes Music Library is included in my weekly backups to
> another  External FW Drive.)

are you talking about the AIFF files on your external FW drive, or your MP3
files on your MacBook Pro (or both)? - I wasn't sure whether you had a
desktop Mac & used the ext FW drive for its iTunes library (as well as
having the MacBook Pro with the MP3 iTunes library) or whether the laptop
was your main computer and the FW drive was just for a music archive.

Cheers


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on 2/11/08 10:36 PM, Ronda Brown at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> On 02/11/2008, at 8:27 PM, Neil Houghton wrote:
> 
>> on 1/11/08 11:02 PM, Ronda Brown at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> An Apple Lossless (ALAC)  file not only doesn't contain any audible
>>> loss - it doesn't contain any loss at all. It will reproduce exactly,
>>> bit for bit, the same audio data as the AIFF (Audio Interchange File
>>> Format) file. Hence the term "loss-less". There is 'supposedly no
>>> difference. AIFF is no better quality, it's just a bigger file.
>>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> I always import my Music CD's at the highest Quality AIFF - Custom
>>> Setting - Sample Rate 48,000 kHz Stereo (48.000kHz is better for
>>> using
>>> tracks in iMovie)
>>>  Then I convert tracks  to AAC or MP3 for listening on my iPod Touch.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>> Hi Ronni,
>> 
>> A couple of questions:
>> 
>> - Given that Apple Lossless is the same quality for half the file
>> size, why
>> do you use AIFF instead of ALAC?
> 
> Hi Neil,
> 
>   My main reasons are I believe AIFF to be true CD sound quality and
> is a better option for long term archiving than Apple Lossless.
> AIFF (Audio Interchange File Format) was invented over 20 years ago
> and is supported by all professional audio programs.
> Apple Lossless (ALAC) whilst a true Lossless codec (i.e., it returns
> the same waveform as the original from less data) is not an industry
> standard and may not be here for ever.
> Apple Lossless (ALAC) only works with iTunes & iPods.
> I feel if I am going to rip my CD's to archive, going with AIFF,
> probably, will greatly reduce the need for me to ever re-rip them for
> re-archiving purposes.
> 
>> - So do you then keep all your music in the AIFF format on your
>> computer -
> 
> I keep most of my AIFF ripped CD tracks on a 500GB External Firewire
> Drive. (I'm going to be purchasing a couple of 1TB FW Drives in the
> near future.)
> I keep the converted MP3 tracks on my MacBook Pro. (Of course my
> iTunes Music Library is included in my weekly backups to another
> External FW Drive.)
> 
>> doesn't your music folder get huuuge?
> 
> Yes, but storage is not a problem for me, I want the best quality
> archiving of my Music.
> I guess it's a personal preference I have for AIFF.
> 
> I like listening to music on my iPod Touch (MP3) when I'm riding my
> bike, driving the car, or exercising, ... but when I really want to
> 'listen' to music.
> I play my CD's on my high quality Sound System.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni



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Re: iMac to hi-fi

[Paul Kitchener]

Mark Secker wrote:
One issue I've found with my tower that may or may not be an issue 
with iMacs is that unless I actually mute the computer's volume before 
shut down the start up chime is always at full volume which would 
damage non protected speakers so make sure your speakers or amp have 
active speaker protection if your going to leave the system plugged in 
all the time (rather than just occasionally  jack it in to the system 
to spin some iTunes music)


another solution is to use a USB  Audio converter... I've used one in 
the past but can't say it produced notably clearer audio.


Hi Vlad, Mark and others,

iMac to brand name 3.5mm-to-double-RCA to 80's Bang and Oluffsen Stereo 
Amplifier.

Foundation shaking!

I installed 'Startup Sound' in order to control the start chime volume. 
Works.


If I keep the iMac's volume down and the amplifier's up I can hear small 
amounts of introduced noise from the iMac, minimal though.
I suspect it is related to networking as I can reproduce the noise while 
using the mouse/cursor in Screen Sharing.
If I turn the iMac up and the amplifier down this is inaudible as I am 
no longer amplifying it as much.


Better still, I have connected a Griffin iMic which solves the issue.
I got it for improved recordings but if the output volume needs to be 
high, like for a party or during vacuuming, it is better.

Apparently it's external location avoids 'noise' from the computer.

Have fun
Paul

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Re: iMac to hi-fi

[Mark Secker]

Ah so there is a use for it... not owning a TV  and VIZ. so not owning  
a Surround sound hifi system (still stuck in stereo land here)



On 03/11/2008, at 12:41 AM, Martin Hill wrote:


On 02/11/2008, at 11:50 PM, Mark Secker wrote:
Also most iMacs actually have a digital audio  source built in to  
the same analogue audio out jack... much like the Toslink on my G5  
tower I'm not sure much equipment in the HiFi world will actually  
talk to Apple's digital audio sources


We connect our loungeroom 24" iMac using an optical TOSlink cable to  
our Sony Surround Sound amplifier and thus get 5.1 channel surround  
sound out of our iMac instead of just stereo.  It works great for  
DVDs as well as HD digital TV recorded using our EyeTV tuners.  The  
optical cable just sends the AC3 audio from these sources down to  
the amp which decodes it into the 5.1 discrete channels.


All you need is a 3.5mm jack to TOSlink connector or cable.  For  
those not familiar with it, TOSlink is that little square connector  
on the back of most surround sound systems that usually has a little  
flap covering it to stop the red light escaping.  :-)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toslink

Of course MP3 and AAC Music files are usually stereo* though the amp  
will zap it out as surround sound if you don't set it to 2 channel  
for the cleanest reproduction.


-Mart

* There is actually a 5.1 channel version of MP3 but it doesn't  
appear to be too wide-spread at this point.


I'd like to connect my iMac to a Yamaha hi-fi system in order to  
get optimal audio for music. A bit of googling suggests that it  
might be possible to use a shielded 3.5mm-to-double-RCA cable from  
the headphone out jack for this.


Has anyone tried this?

Optimistic,
Vlad James
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Re: iMac Problem - hardware?

[Peter Hinchliffe]

On 01/11/2008, at 5:53 PM, Mike Fuller wrote:

I was asked to check a relative's Mac today - iMac 17" G5 running  
OSX 10.3.9 - because it wasn't working as they'd like.


I found:
Standard boot took at least 5 minutes most of which was on the grey  
apple screen with the circular timer
It wouldn't recognise the internal optical drive - at least it said  
it didn't recognise the disc in it, even though there wasn't one  
there.
Same if a hard drive was attached via USB - wouldn't recognise the  
contents and offered the choice of ignore or reject

Same if a flash drive was attached via USB
Same if a firewire optical drive was attached
If a disc was inserted into the firewire drive Toast could read or  
write but the system either couldn't read it or it ignored it




the 5-minute startup is a worry. It seems that (a) the system is  
looking for a resource that isn't there, or is corrupted, or (b) it is  
loading something bad. Try starting in Verbose Mode (cmd-V) at  
startup. this starts the computer normally, but displays the boot  
process on the screen as the various resources are loaded. You may be  
able to pick up what it is that is slowing things down.


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Re: iMac to hi-fi

[Daniel Kerr]

LOL Martin,...is that what it's for!
I'm glad it's there to stop that little red light escaping,..otherwise we'd
all be in trouble with them all running around free!

Hehe.
--Daniel 


On 3/11/08 12:41 AM, "Martin Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> For those  
> not familiar with it, TOSlink is that little square connector on the
> back of most surround sound systems that usually has a little flap
> covering it to stop the red light escaping.  :-)

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Re: iMac to hi-fi

[Martin Hill]

On 02/11/2008, at 11:50 PM, Mark Secker wrote:
Also most iMacs actually have a digital audio  source built in to  
the same analogue audio out jack... much like the Toslink on my G5  
tower I'm not sure much equipment in the HiFi world will actually  
talk to Apple's digital audio sources


We connect our loungeroom 24" iMac using an optical TOSlink cable to  
our Sony Surround Sound amplifier and thus get 5.1 channel surround  
sound out of our iMac instead of just stereo.  It works great for DVDs  
as well as HD digital TV recorded using our EyeTV tuners.  The optical  
cable just sends the AC3 audio from these sources down to the amp  
which decodes it into the 5.1 discrete channels.


All you need is a 3.5mm jack to TOSlink connector or cable.  For those  
not familiar with it, TOSlink is that little square connector on the  
back of most surround sound systems that usually has a little flap  
covering it to stop the red light escaping.  :-)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toslink

Of course MP3 and AAC Music files are usually stereo* though the amp  
will zap it out as surround sound if you don't set it to 2 channel for  
the cleanest reproduction.


-Mart

* There is actually a 5.1 channel version of MP3 but it doesn't appear  
to be too wide-spread at this point.


I'd like to connect my iMac to a Yamaha hi-fi system in order to  
get optimal audio for music. A bit of googling suggests that it  
might be possible to use a shielded 3.5mm-to-double-RCA cable from  
the headphone out jack for this.


Has anyone tried this?

Optimistic,
Vlad James
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Re: IMAP - why doesn't access to same inbox from 2 separate Macs sync ?

[Steven Knowles]

Forget this one - problem appears to have repaired itself after  
quitting Mail and restarting. Why I didn't think of doing that earlier  
I don't know.


Sorry to have wasted everyone's time.

Cheers, Steven

Begin forwarded message:


Date: 2 November 2008 12:57:59 PM
To: WAMUG Mailing List 
Subject: IMAP - why doesn't access to same inbox from 2 separate  
Macs sync ?


Using latest MacOS and Apple Mail as email client.

I've set up a mailbox using IMAP, as I needed a communal inbox, I  
accessed by more than user.


My understanding is that what I see in my local inbox should be a  
mirror of what's on the host server (which in this case is  
Netregistry, the route I've chosen to take for now).


If I access the same inbox from a separate Mac, my understanding is  
that I should see exactly the same thing as what I see from the  
other Mac.


However, I am seeing two different inboxes, depending on which Mac  
I'm looking at. For instance, I have a particular message in one  
inbox, but I don't see that inbox in the other, despite checking all  
Mail settings are the same, and despite forcing a Mailbox >  
Synchronize on both Macs.


Is there something I'm missing here? Is there a setting somewhere,  
eg. outside of Mail, which I should also be considering?


All tips appreciated.

Cheers, Steven



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Re: iMac to hi-fi

[Mark Secker]

this is pretty much standard process... do it my self

keep the volume down on your mac , try keep the run as short as 
possible (2 or 3 meters or 4 meters tops), don't use a 90 degree jack 
on the mini pin (else a pulled cable could damage the phono jack with 
the leverage from a 90 degree jack)... and don't waste money on 
Monster brand cables.


One issue I've found with my tower that may or may not be an issue 
with iMacs is that unless I actually mute the computer's volume 
before shut down the start up chime is always at full volume which 
would damage non protected speakers so make sure your speakers or amp 
have active speaker protection if your going to leave the system 
plugged in all the time (rather than just occasionally  jack it in to 
the system to spin some iTunes music)


another solution is to use a USB  Audio converter... I've used one in 
the past but can't say it produced notably clearer audio.


Also most iMacs actually have a digital audio  source built in to the 
same analogue audio out jack... much like the Toslink on my G5 tower 
I'm not sure much equipment in the HiFi world will actually talk to 
Apple's digital audio sources



I'd like to connect my iMac to a Yamaha hi-fi system in order to get 
optimal audio for music. A bit of googling suggests that it might be 
possible to use a shielded 3.5mm-to-double-RCA cable from the 
headphone out jack for this.


Has anyone tried this?

Optimistic,
Vlad James
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iMac to hi-fi

[Vladimir James]

I'd like to connect my iMac to a Yamaha hi-fi system in order to get  
optimal audio for music. A bit of googling suggests that it might be  
possible to use a shielded 3.5mm-to-double-RCA cable from the  
headphone out jack for this.


Has anyone tried this?

Optimistic,
Vlad James
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Re: Best format for importing music to iTunes?

[Ronda Brown]

On 02/11/2008, at 8:27 PM, Neil Houghton wrote:


on 1/11/08 11:02 PM, Ronda Brown at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



An Apple Lossless (ALAC)  file not only doesn't contain any audible
loss - it doesn't contain any loss at all. It will reproduce exactly,
bit for bit, the same audio data as the AIFF (Audio Interchange File
Format) file. Hence the term "loss-less". There is 'supposedly no
difference. AIFF is no better quality, it's just a bigger file.





I always import my Music CD's at the highest Quality AIFF - Custom
Setting - Sample Rate 48,000 kHz Stereo (48.000kHz is better for  
using

tracks in iMovie)
 Then I convert tracks  to AAC or MP3 for listening on my iPod Touch.

Cheers,
Ronni


Hi Ronni,

A couple of questions:

- Given that Apple Lossless is the same quality for half the file  
size, why

do you use AIFF instead of ALAC?


Hi Neil,

 My main reasons are I believe AIFF to be true CD sound quality and  
is a better option for long term archiving than Apple Lossless.
AIFF (Audio Interchange File Format) was invented over 20 years ago  
and is supported by all professional audio programs.
Apple Lossless (ALAC) whilst a true Lossless codec (i.e., it returns  
the same waveform as the original from less data) is not an industry  
standard and may not be here for ever.

Apple Lossless (ALAC) only works with iTunes & iPods.
I feel if I am going to rip my CD's to archive, going with AIFF,  
probably, will greatly reduce the need for me to ever re-rip them for  
re-archiving purposes.


- So do you then keep all your music in the AIFF format on your  
computer -


I keep most of my AIFF ripped CD tracks on a 500GB External Firewire  
Drive. (I'm going to be purchasing a couple of 1TB FW Drives in the  
near future.)
I keep the converted MP3 tracks on my MacBook Pro. (Of course my  
iTunes Music Library is included in my weekly backups to another  
External FW Drive.)



doesn't your music folder get huuuge?


Yes, but storage is not a problem for me, I want the best quality  
archiving of my Music.

I guess it's a personal preference I have for AIFF.

I like listening to music on my iPod Touch (MP3) when I'm riding my  
bike, driving the car, or exercising, ... but when I really want to  
'listen' to music.

I play my CD's on my high quality Sound System.

Cheers,
Ronni

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Re: Best format for importing music to iTunes?

[Neil Houghton]

on 1/11/08 11:02 PM, Ronda Brown at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


> An Apple Lossless (ALAC)  file not only doesn't contain any audible
> loss - it doesn't contain any loss at all. It will reproduce exactly,
> bit for bit, the same audio data as the AIFF (Audio Interchange File
> Format) file. Hence the term "loss-less". There is 'surposedly no
> difference. AIFF is no better quality, it's just a bigger file.
> 

> 
> I always import my Music CD's at the highest Quality AIFF - Custom
> Setting - Sample Rate 48,000 kHz Stereo (48.000kHz is better for using
> tracks in iMovie)
>   Then I convert tracks  to AAC or MP3 for listening on my iPod Touch.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
Hi Ronni,

A couple of questions:

- Given that Apple Lossless is the same quality for half the file size, why
do you use AIFF instead of ALAC?

- So do you then keep all your music in the AIFF format on your computer -
doesn't your music folder get huuuge?

Cheers


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IMAP - why doesn't access to same inbox from 2 separate Macs sync ?

[Steven Knowles]

Using latest MacOS and Apple Mail as email client.

I've set up a mailbox using IMAP, as I needed a communal inbox, I  
accessed by more than user.


My understanding is that what I see in my local inbox should be a  
mirror of what's on the host server (which in this case is  
Netregistry, the route I've chosen to take for now).


If I access the same inbox from a separate Mac, my understanding is  
that I should see exactly the same thing as what I see from the other  
Mac.


However, I am seeing two different inboxes, depending on which Mac I'm  
looking at. For instance, I have a particular message in one inbox,  
but I don't see that inbox in the other, despite checking all Mail  
settings are the same, and despite forcing a Mailbox > Synchronize on  
both Macs.


Is there something I'm missing here? Is there a setting somewhere, eg.  
outside of Mail, which I should also be considering?


All tips appreciated.

Cheers, Steven

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Re:

[Rod Blitvich]

Bob
Migration Assistant works great for transferring from old to new machine.
Rod


on 2/11/08 10:33 AM, Bob Jackson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I am currently using a PPC G5 iMac (OS 10.4.11) with a firewire
> external hard drive for backup and will take delivery soon of a new
> Intel iMac. Advice would be appreciated regarding -
> 
> 1. the best way to transfer stuff from the PPC iMac to the new Intel
> iMac and any problems which may arise.
> 
> 2. partitioning and formatting the external hard drive so that it can
> be used to boot either machine. Will I have to partition the external
> hard drive into 2 partitions, APM for the PPC and GUID for Intel?
> 
> Thanks.
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