Snow Leopard compatible phones
I'm about to replace my phone. Nokia appeals. Are they (or any other brand other than iPhone) compatible with Snow Leopard? Thanks, Michael Hawkins. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Driver for Canon Digital Camcorder
A belated Thank You to Ronni and Peter. To summaries, I have a Canon DV MV920 camcorder and, when using Leopard, appeared on the desktop and downloaded in Apple's straight forward and obvious manner, but didn't appear to be recognised when I tried connecting the camera to the MacBook Pro running Snow Leopard. However, by using iMovie, I am able to import the tape from the Canon DV camcorder even though the camcorder does not appear on the desktop or show up as an icon on iMovie. The process involved when using Snow Leopard is to connect the camera to the MacBook Pro, start iMovie, got to File then click on Import from Camera. Regards, Michael Hawkins 17 MacBook Pro 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo 4GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM OS 10.6.1 IMovie '09 On 30/10/09 8:15 AM, Peter Hinchliffe hinch...@multiline.com.au wrote: On 29/10/2009, at 3:58 PM, Michael Hawkins wrote: I have a Canon digital video camcorder model MV920 (mini DV tape). It doesn't show up on my computer when I connect it via Firewire. Neither Apple nor Canon appear to have any drivers for the camera, yet the manual deals with connection to a Mac. I suspect it's a casualty of Snow Leopard, but does anyone have any solution I know this probably doesn't help, but my (now getting on a bit) JVC GR-D73AA, also a mini DV tape model, connects just fine in iMovie 09 under Snow Leopard*. I would have thought that Canon would work just as well. I mention it really just to suggest that I doubt very much if it's a Snow Leopard issue. *Note that it does not show up in the Finder: only as an available data source in iMovie. -- Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer Perth, Western Australia Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 064 948 Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Content management systems
On 4/11/2009 1:08 PM, Peter Bull wrote: A mate of mine asked me about Content management systems or CMS so that he can upload pics and content to his website. I know very little about them - is their a favourite package? Are they just an integrated web authoring tool with built in FTP to upload content? Any help or advice would be appreciated. Peter Bull pb...@bbnet.com.au Depends what he wants. For blogs there is software like Wordpress, or sites like Wordpress.org and Blogspot. For photos there's software like Gallery, or sites like flickr, mobileme, picasa, etc. More generally there are CMS's like plone, drupal and Joomla. Some things to consider: * Do they want the photos to be accessible to everyone, only their friends, or some other arbitrary groupings? * Are they writing articles to go along with the photos? * Is the content updated in a linear blog-style? * Are they going to run ads? * Is the audience local or based somewhere else in the world? If you want to compare CMS's there's the CMSMatrix site http://www.cmsmatrix.org/ Have fun, Shay -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Synching Address Books
Humblest apologies, Ronni, I misread your email! Nevertheless /Home/ Library/Preferences on Tiger does not have the com.apple.addresbook.adb.plist file on either machine. I like the method with exporting the vCard groups, really neat. Though I have a lot of groups on the master the other two machines need only two or three. A great solution as always, many thanks Severin On 04/11/2009, at 2:39 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: I never said they were in Application Support/AddressBook Severin. You need the /Home/Library/Applications Support/AddressBook/ folder. And these two files from the /Home/Library/Preferences folder: com.apple.addressbook.plist com.apple.addresbook.adb.plist The com.apple.addresbook.adb.plist should be immediately above the com.apple.addressbook.plist. I am taken it as a given that you have current back ups of both the Leopard The Tiger Address Books before attempting any of this. Did you have a look at Address Book Server on the link I gave before? Going back to your way of exporting the G5 Address Book as vCards. I searched through my Documents Folder found how I did this a long time ago. After exporting all my Groups as vCards. vCard import group: You can import group Vcards, and have them grouped properly! The trick is that you'll need to create those groups in Address Book first: 1) Create a new group. Select it (it should be blank, so you'll see no contacts). 2) Drag your group Vcard into the window. NB: Before you do any of this, always make a backup of your Address Book (the function is built into the program) in case you make a mistake, as well as after you make any change (add, delete, make notes, etc). Whatever is the easiest way for you to achieve what you want, is what we are looking for ;-) I use MobileMe so don't have these issues. Cheers, Ronni On 04/11/2009, at 2:03 PM, Severin Crisp wrote: Following on your earlier suggestion, the two files that you list are in Preferences, not Application Support/Address Book on the G5 Leopard. The two Tigers only have the former and no sign of.adb.plist I am loath to proceed! Severin On 04/11/2009, at 1:22 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: On 04/11/2009, at 12:48 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: On 04/11/2009, at 12:04 PM, Severin Crisp wrote: We have three computers, one master (G5 Leopard) and two others (G3iMac Tiger and Intel Macbook Tiger). Periodically I update the other two by exporting from the G5 Address Book as vCards and then importing into the other two over my LAN. This is fine except that the information for Groups is not updated. Is it possible to update Groups as well? Hi Severin, If you don't have MobileMe. You need the /Home/Library/Applications Support/AddressBook/ folder and these two files from the /Home/Library/Preferences folder: com.apple.addressbook.plist com.apple.addresbook.adb.plist Copy these to the respective locations on the machines you wish to have the most current versions. You cannot merge the data. You might be able to use a Backup Software to sync Address Book files to all your computers. I don't know if fruux will accomplish what are wanting to do. fruux 0.9.6.4 Sync your Address Book, Calendars, Tasks, Bookmarks between Macs. fruux is a lightweight and convenient system preference pane, that syncs your Address Book, Calendars, Tasks, Bookmarks and Notes between different Macs. fruux supports sync conflict resolution which will help you when you changed a record on more than one machine. fruux is still in beta, please backup your data! http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/28750 Cheers, Ronni 17 MacBook Pro Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4 GHz / 4GB / 800MHz / 500GB OS X 10.6.1 Snow Leopard Hi again Severin, I just had another look at Address Book Server. This might be the way for you to go. With Address Book Server you can synchronise your Address Book with others on the same network as well as over the internet. Contacts are synchronised with your own instance of Address Book Server. Address Book Server comes in two parts a server and a client. The server should be installed on a centrally accessible Mac. The client goes on every Mac, whose Address Book you would like to synchronise. Free 5 User License keys until end of November'09 http://www.addressbookserver.com/projects/abs/index.jsp Cheers, Ronni Cheers, Ronni 17 MacBook Pro Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4 GHz / 4GB / 800MHz / 500GB OS X 10.6.1 Snow Leopard -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au Assoc Professor R Severin Crisp, FIP, CPhys, FAIP 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia. Phone (08) 9842 1950 (Int'l +61
Re: Content management systems
Hi Peter, Older style static HTML/XHTML web sites work by having actual HTML/XHTML files that you copy to a web server using ftp. To change a web page, you change the file. The newer generation of websites based on a Content Management System (CMS) store a representation of the web pages in a database (often MySQL, if it is an open source CMS). When a page is requested by the web server, the CMS gets the content from the database and with a bit of magic converts that into an HTML/XHTML web page which is sent off to the web server. Using a CMS you are just changing the content, not a static web page, and as soon as the content is updated, the next time a page is served it uses the fresh content. No ftp involved. An easy (and free) way to see how this all works is to go to http://wordpress.com and sign up for a free WordPress blog. You'll be able to log in to your site and use the WordPress dashboard to update your content, upload images etc. WordPress.com is a fully hosted option, you can also go to WordPress.org, download the open source software (free) and follow the instructions to install on your own server. You'll need to have Linux, Apache, MySQL and PHP (LAMP) installed and running on your server. You can install WordPress on OS/X as well, as it has the LAMP stack available. But you'll find the WordPress.com option an easy way to find out what it is all about. WordPress, Joomla and Drupal are the 3 major CMS' that run on LAMP. All of them let you build complete websites, with web pages, integrated blogs and various other options. Glenn Nicholas OM4 :: 2009/11/4 Peter Bull pb...@bbnet.com.au: A mate of mine asked me about Content management systems or CMS so that he can upload pics and content to his website. I know very little about them - is their a favourite package? Are they just an integrated web authoring tool with built in FTP to upload content? Any help or advice would be appreciated. Peter Bull pb...@bbnet.com.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Snow Leopard compatible phones
On 04/11/2009, at 7:14 PM, Michael Hawkins wrote: I'm about to replace my phone. Nokia appeals. Are they (or any other brand other than iPhone) compatible with Snow Leopard? Why wouldn't you consider the iPhone... it is guaranteed to be 100% compatible :) -- Nicholas Pyers (nicho...@nicholaspyers.com) Heaven on Earth? No, Earth on Earth. The Just Earth! -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Putting an iTunes song on my iPhone
Hi all I'm a newbie to the iPhone and I know I'm supposed to be able to download songs from iTunes onto my phone, using Bluetooth. I've selected the Bluetooth icon on the very top of my iMac screen. It says Bluetooth is on but then another window comes up saying Denise Williams's iMac is the name Bluetooth devices use to connect to this computer. Then the 2 boxes underneath that are both ticked ie On is ticked and so is Discoverable. But then under that is a small picture of an iPhone and it says 'Denise Williams's iPhone not connected - it shows a small red dot. On the right side of this window it says Type Handsfree Services Handsfree Gateway Paired No Connected No I've checked the iPhone settings - General - Bluetooth and it shows as ON. It also shows a spinning wheel under Devices and constantly searches for something? Under that it says 'Now Discoverable' I have the iPhone sitting next to the computer. I am on an iMac with 10.5.8 All this effort has used so much of my valuable time, just so that I can put a song or two on my iPhone!! Technology is for the nerds! So are there any 'nerds' able to help me - I say that with the greatest respect! TIA Denise Williams PH 9447 3468 MOB 0417 184592 chri...@iinet.net.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Putting an iTunes song on my iPhone
Hi Denise, its much simpler to connect your iphone to your computer via its USB connection and download by syncing from iTunes. Are you also using this method? cheers, Susan. On 04/11/2009, at 10:44 PM, Denise Williams wrote: Hi all I'm a newbie to the iPhone and I know I'm supposed to be able to download songs from iTunes onto my phone, using Bluetooth. I've selected the Bluetooth icon on the very top of my iMac screen. It says Bluetooth is on but then another window comes up saying Denise Williams's iMac is the name Bluetooth devices use to connect to this computer. Then the 2 boxes underneath that are both ticked ie On is ticked and so is Discoverable. But then under that is a small picture of an iPhone and it says 'Denise Williams's iPhone not connected - it shows a small red dot. On the right side of this window it says Type Handsfree Services Handsfree Gateway Paired No Connected No I've checked the iPhone settings - General - Bluetooth and it shows as ON. It also shows a spinning wheel under Devices and constantly searches for something? Under that it says 'Now Discoverable' I have the iPhone sitting next to the computer. I am on an iMac with 10.5.8 All this effort has used so much of my valuable time, just so that I can put a song or two on my iPhone!! Technology is for the nerds! So are there any 'nerds' able to help me - I say that with the greatest respect! TIA Denise Williams PH 9447 3468 MOB 0417 184592 chri...@iinet.net.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Putting an iTunes song on my iPhone
Hi Denise, iPhone Bluetooth currently connects only with headsets, car handsfree systems, and computers when using tethering. It will not connect to any other devices. As Susan has said, you connect to your Computer using USB connection Sync what you wish through iTunes. http://www.apple.com/iphone/how-to/#basics.introduction http://www.apple.com/iphone/how-to/#get-started.syncing-with-itunes Cheers, Ronni On 05/11/2009, at 5:20 AM, Susan Hastings wrote: Hi Denise, its much simpler to connect your iphone to your computer via its USB connection and download by syncing from iTunes. Are you also using this method? cheers, Susan. On 04/11/2009, at 10:44 PM, Denise Williams wrote: Hi all I'm a newbie to the iPhone and I know I'm supposed to be able to download songs from iTunes onto my phone, using Bluetooth. I've selected the Bluetooth icon on the very top of my iMac screen. It says Bluetooth is on but then another window comes up saying Denise Williams's iMac is the name Bluetooth devices use to connect to this computer. Then the 2 boxes underneath that are both ticked ie On is ticked and so is Discoverable. But then under that is a small picture of an iPhone and it says 'Denise Williams's iPhone not connected - it shows a small red dot. On the right side of this window it says Type Handsfree Services Handsfree Gateway Paired No Connected No I've checked the iPhone settings - General - Bluetooth and it shows as ON. It also shows a spinning wheel under Devices and constantly searches for something? Under that it says 'Now Discoverable' I have the iPhone sitting next to the computer. I am on an iMac with 10.5.8 All this effort has used so much of my valuable time, just so that I can put a song or two on my iPhone!! Technology is for the nerds! So are there any 'nerds' able to help me - I say that with the greatest respect! TIA Denise Williams PH 9447 3468 MOB 0417 184592 chri...@iinet.net.au Cheers, Ronni 17 MacBook Pro Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4 GHz / 4GB / 800MHz / 500GB OS X 10.6.1 Snow Leopard -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Synching Address Books
Hi Severin, Have you taken a look at Address Book Server on the link Ronni sent you. Unlike Fruux it is rather stable, however backing up before can never hurt. Address Book Server support 10.4, 10.5 and 10.6 and lets you take control of where your contacts reside. And to top it all off you can get a free license until the end of November. With your own server your contacts are always kept up-to-date, either for the entire Address Book or a particular set of Groups. It also does Calendars if you want to sync those as well. http://www.addressbookserver.com Have fun Alex On 4 Nov 2009, at 09:25, Severin Crisp wrote: Humblest apologies, Ronni, I misread your email! Nevertheless /Home/ Library/Preferences on Tiger does not have the com.apple.addresbook.adb.plist file on either machine. I like the method with exporting the vCard groups, really neat. Though I have a lot of groups on the master the other two machines need only two or three. A great solution as always, many thanks Severin On 04/11/2009, at 2:39 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: I never said they were in Application Support/AddressBook Severin. You need the /Home/Library/Applications Support/AddressBook/ folder. And these two files from the /Home/Library/Preferences folder: com.apple.addressbook.plist com.apple.addresbook.adb.plist The com.apple.addresbook.adb.plist should be immediately above the com.apple.addressbook.plist. I am taken it as a given that you have current back ups of both the Leopard The Tiger Address Books before attempting any of this. Did you have a look at Address Book Server on the link I gave before? Going back to your way of exporting the G5 Address Book as vCards. I searched through my Documents Folder found how I did this a long time ago. After exporting all my Groups as vCards. vCard import group: You can import group Vcards, and have them grouped properly! The trick is that you'll need to create those groups in Address Book first: 1) Create a new group. Select it (it should be blank, so you'll see no contacts). 2) Drag your group Vcard into the window. NB: Before you do any of this, always make a backup of your Address Book (the function is built into the program) in case you make a mistake, as well as after you make any change (add, delete, make notes, etc). Whatever is the easiest way for you to achieve what you want, is what we are looking for ;-) I use MobileMe so don't have these issues. Cheers, Ronni On 04/11/2009, at 2:03 PM, Severin Crisp wrote: Following on your earlier suggestion, the two files that you list are in Preferences, not Application Support/Address Book on the G5 Leopard. The two Tigers only have the former and no sign of.adb.plist I am loath to proceed! Severin On 04/11/2009, at 1:22 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: On 04/11/2009, at 12:48 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: On 04/11/2009, at 12:04 PM, Severin Crisp wrote: We have three computers, one master (G5 Leopard) and two others (G3iMac Tiger and Intel Macbook Tiger). Periodically I update the other two by exporting from the G5 Address Book as vCards and then importing into the other two over my LAN. This is fine except that the information for Groups is not updated. Is it possible to update Groups as well? Hi Severin, If you don't have MobileMe. You need the /Home/Library/Applications Support/AddressBook/ folder and these two files from the /Home/Library/Preferences folder: com.apple.addressbook.plist com.apple.addresbook.adb.plist Copy these to the respective locations on the machines you wish to have the most current versions. You cannot merge the data. You might be able to use a Backup Software to sync Address Book files to all your computers. I don't know if fruux will accomplish what are wanting to do. fruux 0.9.6.4 Sync your Address Book, Calendars, Tasks, Bookmarks between Macs. fruux is a lightweight and convenient system preference pane, that syncs your Address Book, Calendars, Tasks, Bookmarks and Notes between different Macs. fruux supports sync conflict resolution which will help you when you changed a record on more than one machine. fruux is still in beta, please backup your data! http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/28750 Cheers, Ronni 17 MacBook Pro Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4 GHz / 4GB / 800MHz / 500GB OS X 10.6.1 Snow Leopard Hi again Severin, I just had another look at Address Book Server. This might be the way for you to go. With Address Book Server you can synchronise your Address Book with others on the same network as well as over the internet. Contacts are synchronised with your own instance of Address Book Server. Address Book Server comes in two parts a server and a client. The server should be installed on a centrally accessible Mac. The client goes on every Mac, whose Address Book you would like to synchronise. Free 5 User License keys until end of November'09
Re: Safari/Firefox internet problem
Hi Peter, Could you please check your dns settings. In particular try using dig from Terminal to see what the website resolved to. This is what you should be getting : polaris:~ alex$ dig www.woodworkforums.com ; DiG 9.6.0-APPLE-P2 www.woodworkforums.com ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 48664 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 2 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;www.woodworkforums.com.IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: www.woodworkforums.com. 1667IN A 174.132.135.26 ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: woodworkforums.com. 58525 IN NS ns2.cyanide.com.au. woodworkforums.com. 58525 IN NS ns1.cyanide.com.au. ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: ns1.cyanide.com.au. 4335IN A 174.132.135.29 ns2.cyanide.com.au. 4335IN A 112.140.178.157 ;; Query time: 52 msec ;; SERVER: 192.168.0.4#53(192.168.0.4) ;; WHEN: Thu Nov 5 00:24:05 2009 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 138 polaris:~ alex$ If you get anything else in the Answer section try flushing your DNS cache using dscacheutil -flushcache Hope this helps Alex On 28 Oct 2009, at 05:28, Peter Bull wrote: Thanks to all who replied to my question. I have just: Downloaded and installed Firefox 3.5.4 Downloaded all of the Software Updates for OS X and Safari and I am now using 10.5.8 Verified the Disk Repaired all Permissions My iMac is panting after all this exercise!!! Used Firefox and Safari to surf the web BUT I still can't access that one site. Safari and Pinging reports that it is an unknown host and Firefox says the server has timed out. In fact, when I click on the link in the Bookmarks, Firefox does not display the URL in the address bar. This is a big mystery... On 27/10/2009, at 5:39 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Peter, Run Software Update install everything it lists for your iMac. Then open Disk Utility Applications/Utilities/disk Utility Click (to select) your Volume (HD it is the second), then click repair permissions. If you have not done this for awhile it will take time, be patient let it finish. Sent from Ronni's iPhone On 27/10/2009, at 5:23 PM, Peter Bull pb...@bbnet.com.au wrote: I am using an iMac with OS 10.5.6, Safari is 3.2.1, Firefox is 3.0.11. I had considered downloading a newer version of Safari but I don't want to install Snow Leopard so I don't know what version of Safari to get. I have restarted and deleted cookies and still no joy. Have not yet tried a different user account yet. How do I repair permissions? One of the bad??? things about the Mac is that you don't have to fiddle under the bonnet very often, so you forget how and where to fix things!! On 27/10/2009, at 3:44 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Peter, You don't say what versions of Safari Firefox you are using. Make sure you have installed all the latest updates for both Safari Firefox. And you have the latest updates for Java. Then repair permissions: As your problem is happening on both browsers, it is some setting or update required on your Mac. Do you have Java JavaScript enabled on both Browsers? Have you tried in a different User Account? Cheers, Ronni On 27/10/2009, at 3:15 PM, Peter Bull wrote: I emptied the cache and cleared the history and still no joy. On 27/10/2009, at 2:03 PM, Clyde McLennan wrote: Hi Peter, I just tried it using Safari on my iMac and it worked fine. You have to actual do a reload of the site (right click/reload) as the temporary files on your system could be sned you the can't find the site message. Cheers ... Clyde On 27/10/2009, at 1:51 PM, Peter Bull wrote: I have been regularly using the site www.woodworkforums.com for a couple of years and on Saturday I could not log on to it. I still can't logon with Safari or Firefox, but I can get any other site. I have emailed the woodwork administrator who assures me all is OK at their end, and I can access the site using the PC here which is networked to my Mac. The ISP told me to enter the DNS details into the Mac but that hasn't worked. Any ideas?? Peter Bull pb...@bbnet.com.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au Peter Bull pb...@bbnet.com.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au Peter Bull pb...@bbnet.com.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group
