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Ronni Just remove the offending posts, I will remove software from computer before sale, also if I buy a software program, then as far as I'm concerned I own it I will do with it whatever I think fit that includes putting it on as many computers that will allow it to install run. Derek On 19/06/2012, at 1:47 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Derek, How I feel has nothing to do with this at all. Software is never sold, Its always licensed! You get a copy of it and a license to use it. This is not new, its the way all proprietary software has been sold since the dawn of personal computing. The law says that anyone who purchases a copy of software has the right to load that copy onto a single computer and to make another copy for archival purposes only or, in limited circumstances, for purposes only of maintenance or repair. It is illegal to use that software on more than one computer or to make or distribute copies of that software for any other purpose unless specific permission has been obtained from the software publisher. If you pirate software, you may face not only a civil suit for damages and other relief, but criminal liability as well, including fines and jail terms. We have Apple Representatives who sometimes read our mailing list as I've been contacted offlist by them on occasion (to help a situation). We would not want them to think we as a group condone breaking copyright laws! Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 19/06/2012, at 12:53 PM, Derek Perry dperry...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Hi Ronni, Yes I understand where you are coming from, I did see the instructions on how to get a computer ready for sale. I was just thinking that someone could take advantage of the installed software for as long as they were able to if when it no longer became viable then they hadn't lost anything because they hadn't payed for it it wasn't theirs in the first place, I would just be loaning it to them while it's working, just as it was loaned to me, by the legal owner. If anyone who buys it feels the same way you do, then surely they are free to uninstall it. Regards Derek From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com To: wamug@wamug.org.au wamug@wamug.org.au Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2012 12:16 PM Subject: Re: imac for sale Hi Derek, You should not leave software installed on your computer that you don't legally own. If you are selling a machine to someone without the media to reinstall and properly own that app, what happens if they have a crash or need to reinstall the software? Do the right thing by making really sure the buyer understands exactly what they are getting. Software is protected by federal copyright law. The iMac should be completely erased and a clean installation of the OS (operating system). We have given instructions on WAMUG how to do get a computer ready for sale only a few days ago. Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 19/06/2012, at 11:29 AM, Derek Perry dperry...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Hi Daniel, Thanks for your enquiry the short answer is no. Explanation: The software discs are owned by a Wamug friend, so are not mine to sell, the software is loaded on the machine it is free, to whoever buys the computer it is all fully functional. All I am asking is a fair price for the computer as I bought it with only the stuff on it that is supplied by Apple. The remote controller the battery charger + rechargeable batteries are also free with the computer. If you have any other questions please ask. Thanks Derek On 18/06/2012, at 6:23 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote: Hi Derek Asking on behalf of a possible client. Does it come with the install CDs and serial numbers for all the software (Office, Toast, iWork) Kind regards Daniel Sent from my iPhone 4s --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Apple** On 18/06/2012, at 12:32 PM, Derek Perry wrote: Hi All, I have an imac for sale if anyone is interested, thought I would give someone on the list first chance before I advertise it elsewhere, it was bought in June 2011 from Maxstyle in Myaree has hardly been used, maybe turned on once a week, it is always covered over when not in use, I have original receipts boxes, is pre loaded with Microsoft Offfice 2011, Titanium toast 11 Pro, i Life 11, i work 09, Skype 5.1 plus a couple of others. The reason for sale is that I have 3 other computer hardly ever use this one, so it is really surplus to requirements. Total cost I paid for it is $3238.40 I am open to reasonable offers, contact me at dperry...@yahoo.com.au or (08) 9417 3357 anytime specifications are: iMac 27 3.4GHz- Quad- core intel- core i7 1TB Hard drive 4GB Memory Kingston DDR3 SODIMM-1333 AMD Radeon HD
Re: imac for sale
Hi Daniel, I know the pros cons don't need a lecture, I believe in helping people as much as I can as for the wamug list, if you feel that strongly about it, then remove the offending posts, remove my permission to post to wamug, then I can't offend anyone or cause wamug any legal problems, I'm fed up with reading sanctimonious rants anyway. Have a good life Regards Derek On 19/06/2012, at 1:34 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote: Hi Derek Unfortunately not. That is still software piracy. And you can get fined for it, as can the person that loaned it to you. It's a very fine line. Sorry to sound harsh. But it can also impact on WAMUG as well. It's fine to sell the computer but not the software. (unless you own it and legally sell the discs and serials). You're opening yourself up for big legal issues (and fines) by selling it (or even advertising on a public list). Sorry to say. Certainly sell the machine, but remove the software. :)) Kind regards Daniel Sent from my iPhone 4s --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au ** For Everything Apple ** On 19/06/2012, at 12:53 PM, Derek Perry dperry...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Hi Ronni, Yes I understand where you are coming from, I did see the instructions on how to get a computer ready for sale. I was just thinking that someone could take advantage of the installed software for as long as they were able to if when it no longer became viable then they hadn't lost anything because they hadn't payed for it it wasn't theirs in the first place, I would just be loaning it to them while it's working, just as it was loaned to me, by the legal owner. If anyone who buys it feels the same way you do, then surely they are free to uninstall it. Regards Derek From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com To: wamug@wamug.org.au wamug@wamug.org.au Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2012 12:16 PM Subject: Re: imac for sale Hi Derek, You should not leave software installed on your computer that you don't legally own. If you are selling a machine to someone without the media to reinstall and properly own that app, what happens if they have a crash or need to reinstall the software? Do the right thing by making really sure the buyer understands exactly what they are getting. Software is protected by federal copyright law. The iMac should be completely erased and a clean installation of the OS (operating system). We have given instructions on WAMUG how to do get a computer ready for sale only a few days ago. Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 19/06/2012, at 11:29 AM, Derek Perry dperry...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Hi Daniel, Thanks for your enquiry the short answer is no. Explanation: The software discs are owned by a Wamug friend, so are not mine to sell, the software is loaded on the machine it is free, to whoever buys the computer it is all fully functional. All I am asking is a fair price for the computer as I bought it with only the stuff on it that is supplied by Apple. The remote controller the battery charger + rechargeable batteries are also free with the computer. If you have any other questions please ask. Thanks Derek On 18/06/2012, at 6:23 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote: Hi Derek Asking on behalf of a possible client. Does it come with the install CDs and serial numbers for all the software (Office, Toast, iWork) Kind regards Daniel Sent from my iPhone 4s --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Apple** On 18/06/2012, at 12:32 PM, Derek Perry wrote: Hi All, I have an imac for sale if anyone is interested, thought I would give someone on the list first chance before I advertise it elsewhere, it was bought in June 2011 from Maxstyle in Myaree has hardly been used, maybe turned on once a week, it is always covered over when not in use, I have original receipts boxes, is pre loaded with Microsoft Offfice 2011, Titanium toast 11 Pro, i Life 11, i work 09, Skype 5.1 plus a couple of others. The reason for sale is that I have 3 other computer hardly ever use this one, so it is really surplus to requirements. Total cost I paid for it is $3238.40 I am open to reasonable offers, contact me at dperry...@yahoo.com.au or (08) 9417 3357 anytime specifications are: iMac 27 3.4GHz- Quad- core intel- core i7 1TB Hard drive 4GB Memory Kingston DDR3 SODIMM-1333 AMD Radeon HD 6970M 2Gb DDR5 Graphics card Apple Magic Mouse Magic Trackpad (Trackpad unused) Apple Wireless Keyboard Apple remote (unused) Apple Battery Charger, with rechargeable batteries Apple care protection plan (Never used) -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives -
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Hi Derek There is no need to take that attitude, the guys were trying to help you . Roger On 19/06/2012, at 2:15 PM, Derek Perry wrote: Hi Daniel, I know the pros cons don't need a lecture, I believe in helping people as much as I can as for the wamug list, if you feel that strongly about it, then remove the offending posts, remove my permission to post to wamug, then I can't offend anyone or cause wamug any legal problems, I'm fed up with reading sanctimonious rants anyway. Have a good life Regards Derek On 19/06/2012, at 1:34 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote: Hi Derek Unfortunately not. That is still software piracy. And you can get fined for it, as can the person that loaned it to you. It's a very fine line. Sorry to sound harsh. But it can also impact on WAMUG as well. It's fine to sell the computer but not the software. (unless you own it and legally sell the discs and serials). You're opening yourself up for big legal issues (and fines) by selling it (or even advertising on a public list). Sorry to say. Certainly sell the machine, but remove the software. :)) Kind regards Daniel Sent from my iPhone 4s --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au ** For Everything Apple ** On 19/06/2012, at 12:53 PM, Derek Perry dperry...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Hi Ronni, Yes I understand where you are coming from, I did see the instructions on how to get a computer ready for sale. I was just thinking that someone could take advantage of the installed software for as long as they were able to if when it no longer became viable then they hadn't lost anything because they hadn't payed for it it wasn't theirs in the first place, I would just be loaning it to them while it's working, just as it was loaned to me, by the legal owner. If anyone who buys it feels the same way you do, then surely they are free to uninstall it. Regards Derek From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com To: wamug@wamug.org.au wamug@wamug.org.au Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2012 12:16 PM Subject: Re: imac for sale Hi Derek, You should not leave software installed on your computer that you don't legally own. If you are selling a machine to someone without the media to reinstall and properly own that app, what happens if they have a crash or need to reinstall the software? Do the right thing by making really sure the buyer understands exactly what they are getting. Software is protected by federal copyright law. The iMac should be completely erased and a clean installation of the OS (operating system). We have given instructions on WAMUG how to do get a computer ready for sale only a few days ago. Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 19/06/2012, at 11:29 AM, Derek Perry dperry...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Hi Daniel, Thanks for your enquiry the short answer is no. Explanation: The software discs are owned by a Wamug friend, so are not mine to sell, the software is loaded on the machine it is free, to whoever buys the computer it is all fully functional. All I am asking is a fair price for the computer as I bought it with only the stuff on it that is supplied by Apple. The remote controller the battery charger + rechargeable batteries are also free with the computer. If you have any other questions please ask. Thanks Derek On 18/06/2012, at 6:23 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote: Hi Derek Asking on behalf of a possible client. Does it come with the install CDs and serial numbers for all the software (Office, Toast, iWork) Kind regards Daniel Sent from my iPhone 4s --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Apple** On 18/06/2012, at 12:32 PM, Derek Perry wrote: Hi All, I have an imac for sale if anyone is interested, thought I would give someone on the list first chance before I advertise it elsewhere, it was bought in June 2011 from Maxstyle in Myaree has hardly been used, maybe turned on once a week, it is always covered over when not in use, I have original receipts boxes, is pre loaded with Microsoft Offfice 2011, Titanium toast 11 Pro, i Life 11, i work 09, Skype 5.1 plus a couple of others. The reason for sale is that I have 3 other computer hardly ever use this one, so it is really surplus to requirements. Total cost I paid for it is $3238.40 I am open to reasonable offers, contact me at dperry...@yahoo.com.au or (08) 9417 3357 anytime specifications are: iMac 27 3.4GHz- Quad- core intel- core i7 1TB Hard drive 4GB Memory Kingston DDR3 SODIMM-1333 AMD Radeon HD 6970M 2Gb DDR5 Graphics card Apple Magic Mouse Magic Trackpad (Trackpad unused) Apple Wireless Keyboard Apple remote (unused) Apple Battery Charger, with
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Roger, I am sorry,(this is not directed at you personally) but I am 67 years of age, have been around long enough now, to be more than capable of being my own keeper, I don't need anyone else to do it for me, if at any time I feel I need advice, I'm not shy, I will be the first to ask for it. Regards Derek PS To all the group I hope now that the subject will be closed. PPS computer still for sale for $2500 o.n.o On 19/06/2012, at 3:49 PM, Roger Kortas wrote: Hi Derek There is no need to take that attitude, the guys were trying to help you . Roger On 19/06/2012, at 2:15 PM, Derek Perry wrote: Hi Daniel, I know the pros cons don't need a lecture, I believe in helping people as much as I can as for the wamug list, if you feel that strongly about it, then remove the offending posts, remove my permission to post to wamug, then I can't offend anyone or cause wamug any legal problems, I'm fed up with reading sanctimonious rants anyway. Have a good life Regards Derek On 19/06/2012, at 1:34 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote: Hi Derek Unfortunately not. That is still software piracy. And you can get fined for it, as can the person that loaned it to you. It's a very fine line. Sorry to sound harsh. But it can also impact on WAMUG as well. It's fine to sell the computer but not the software. (unless you own it and legally sell the discs and serials). You're opening yourself up for big legal issues (and fines) by selling it (or even advertising on a public list). Sorry to say. Certainly sell the machine, but remove the software. :)) Kind regards Daniel Sent from my iPhone 4s --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au ** For Everything Apple ** On 19/06/2012, at 12:53 PM, Derek Perry dperry...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Hi Ronni, Yes I understand where you are coming from, I did see the instructions on how to get a computer ready for sale. I was just thinking that someone could take advantage of the installed software for as long as they were able to if when it no longer became viable then they hadn't lost anything because they hadn't payed for it it wasn't theirs in the first place, I would just be loaning it to them while it's working, just as it was loaned to me, by the legal owner. If anyone who buys it feels the same way you do, then surely they are free to uninstall it. Regards Derek From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com To: wamug@wamug.org.au wamug@wamug.org.au Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2012 12:16 PM Subject: Re: imac for sale Hi Derek, You should not leave software installed on your computer that you don't legally own. If you are selling a machine to someone without the media to reinstall and properly own that app, what happens if they have a crash or need to reinstall the software? Do the right thing by making really sure the buyer understands exactly what they are getting. Software is protected by federal copyright law. The iMac should be completely erased and a clean installation of the OS (operating system). We have given instructions on WAMUG how to do get a computer ready for sale only a few days ago. Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 19/06/2012, at 11:29 AM, Derek Perry dperry...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Hi Daniel, Thanks for your enquiry the short answer is no. Explanation: The software discs are owned by a Wamug friend, so are not mine to sell, the software is loaded on the machine it is free, to whoever buys the computer it is all fully functional. All I am asking is a fair price for the computer as I bought it with only the stuff on it that is supplied by Apple. The remote controller the battery charger + rechargeable batteries are also free with the computer. If you have any other questions please ask. Thanks Derek On 18/06/2012, at 6:23 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote: Hi Derek Asking on behalf of a possible client. Does it come with the install CDs and serial numbers for all the software (Office, Toast, iWork) Kind regards Daniel Sent from my iPhone 4s --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Apple** On 18/06/2012, at 12:32 PM, Derek Perry wrote: Hi All, I have an imac for sale if anyone is interested, thought I would give someone on the list first chance before I advertise it elsewhere, it was bought in June 2011 from Maxstyle in Myaree has hardly been used, maybe turned on once a week, it is always covered over when not in use, I have original receipts boxes, is pre loaded with Microsoft Offfice 2011, Titanium toast 11 Pro, i Life 11, i work 09, Skype 5.1 plus a couple of others. The reason for sale is that I have 3 other computer hardly ever use this one, so it
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Hi Derek Sorry you feel that way. I wasn't lecturing, I was simply mentioning, and providing info to cover all parties. (buyer and seller). I've had clients who have had problems (and legal issues) with computers they bought themselves through eBay etc purchases with software they believed they owned, but didn't because It was preinstalled and they get didn't serials or software Discs and went to upgrade or reinstall and had issues with the company (Microsoft, Adobe etc). Software companies are more then happy to fine consumers in this area. That was my only reason for mentioning this. To cover all parties (buyer and seller). At the end of day what people choose to do with the info is their choice. It doesn't affect me either way. But I certainly don't lecture, as anyone who knows me can attest to. I've said my piece and don't have anything else to add to it. Kind regards Daniel Sent from my iPhone 4s --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au ** For Everything Apple ** On 19/06/2012, at 2:15 PM, Derek Perry dperry...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Hi Daniel, I know the pros cons don't need a lecture, I believe in helping people as much as I can as for the wamug list, if you feel that strongly about it, then remove the offending posts, remove my permission to post to wamug, then I can't offend anyone or cause wamug any legal problems, I'm fed up with reading sanctimonious rants anyway. Have a good life Regards Derek On 19/06/2012, at 1:34 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote: Hi Derek Unfortunately not. That is still software piracy. And you can get fined for it, as can the person that loaned it to you. It's a very fine line. Sorry to sound harsh. But it can also impact on WAMUG as well. It's fine to sell the computer but not the software. (unless you own it and legally sell the discs and serials). You're opening yourself up for big legal issues (and fines) by selling it (or even advertising on a public list). Sorry to say. Certainly sell the machine, but remove the software. :)) Kind regards Daniel Sent from my iPhone 4s --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au ** For Everything Apple ** On 19/06/2012, at 12:53 PM, Derek Perry dperry...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Hi Ronni, Yes I understand where you are coming from, I did see the instructions on how to get a computer ready for sale. I was just thinking that someone could take advantage of the installed software for as long as they were able to if when it no longer became viable then they hadn't lost anything because they hadn't payed for it it wasn't theirs in the first place, I would just be loaning it to them while it's working, just as it was loaned to me, by the legal owner. If anyone who buys it feels the same way you do, then surely they are free to uninstall it. Regards Derek From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com To: wamug@wamug.org.au wamug@wamug.org.au Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2012 12:16 PM Subject: Re: imac for sale Hi Derek, You should not leave software installed on your computer that you don't legally own. If you are selling a machine to someone without the media to reinstall and properly own that app, what happens if they have a crash or need to reinstall the software? Do the right thing by making really sure the buyer understands exactly what they are getting. Software is protected by federal copyright law. The iMac should be completely erased and a clean installation of the OS (operating system). We have given instructions on WAMUG how to do get a computer ready for sale only a few days ago. Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 19/06/2012, at 11:29 AM, Derek Perry dperry...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Hi Daniel, Thanks for your enquiry the short answer is no. Explanation: The software discs are owned by a Wamug friend, so are not mine to sell, the software is loaded on the machine it is free, to whoever buys the computer it is all fully functional. All I am asking is a fair price for the computer as I bought it with only the stuff on it that is supplied by Apple. The remote controller the battery charger + rechargeable batteries are also free with the computer. If you have any other questions please ask. Thanks Derek On 18/06/2012, at 6:23 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote: Hi Derek Asking on behalf of a possible client. Does it come with the install CDs and serial numbers for all the software (Office, Toast, iWork) Kind regards Daniel Sent from my iPhone 4s --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Apple** On 18/06/2012, at 12:32 PM, Derek Perry wrote: Hi All, I
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Daniel, I think you are being very gracious, considering what has been said. I teach the ethics of copyright to my 10 year old's at school. What they then choose to do with that knowledge is then up to them. It's their choice, their life and their future, but at least they have been informed For list members who would like to learn more, here is a good starting point http://www.copyright.org.au/ Regards Reg Reg Whitely Home: 08 9921 7272 Mob: 04 8899 7313 Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net On 19/06/2012, at 4:30 pm, Daniel Kerr wrote: Hi Derek Sorry you feel that way. I wasn't lecturing, I was simply mentioning, and providing info to cover all parties. (buyer and seller). I've had clients who have had problems (and legal issues) with computers they bought themselves through eBay etc purchases with software they believed they owned, but didn't because It was preinstalled and they get didn't serials or software Discs and went to upgrade or reinstall and had issues with the company (Microsoft, Adobe etc). Software companies are more then happy to fine consumers in this area. That was my only reason for mentioning this. To cover all parties (buyer and seller). At the end of day what people choose to do with the info is their choice. It doesn't affect me either way. But I certainly don't lecture, as anyone who knows me can attest to. I've said my piece and don't have anything else to add to it. Kind regards Daniel Sent from my iPhone 4s --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au ** For Everything Apple ** -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
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Hi People, I was not going to respond to Derek's comments to me for bringing it to his attention and WAMUG members that what he was anticipating doing was contravening software copyright laws. I'm am upset with his attitude towards me, and now towards Daniel. I'm only the messenger here, doing what I do for WAMUG, giving informed and correct information to the group. Derek has put himself and WAMUG in a delicate position. He has again posted on a public mailing list after being warned he was contravening copyright laws and could cause repercussions for WAMUG. As I mentioned previously Apple Reps troll our mailing list quite often. I have had very good feedback from them as they do appreciate what we are doing on our mailing list. We can not appear as a group to condone software piracy of any kind. Daniel and I put in a lot of time to support people on WAMUG mailing list, and only ever give helpful advice and correct information in a very friendly and professional manner. Like Daniel I will not be having anything more to say on this matter. I have done what was the correct and right thing to do and that was inform Derek and members of the legalities. Kind Regards, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 19/06/2012, at 4:30 PM, Daniel Kerr dan...@macwizardry.com.au wrote: Hi Derek Sorry you feel that way. I wasn't lecturing, I was simply mentioning, and providing info to cover all parties. (buyer and seller). I've had clients who have had problems (and legal issues) with computers they bought themselves through eBay etc purchases with software they believed they owned, but didn't because It was preinstalled and they get didn't serials or software Discs and went to upgrade or reinstall and had issues with the company (Microsoft, Adobe etc). Software companies are more then happy to fine consumers in this area. That was my only reason for mentioning this. To cover all parties (buyer and seller). At the end of day what people choose to do with the info is their choice. It doesn't affect me either way. But I certainly don't lecture, as anyone who knows me can attest to. I've said my piece and don't have anything else to add to it. Kind regards Daniel Sent from my iPhone 4s --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au ** For Everything Apple ** On 19/06/2012, at 2:15 PM, Derek Perry dperry...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Hi Daniel, I know the pros cons don't need a lecture, I believe in helping people as much as I can as for the wamug list, if you feel that strongly about it, then remove the offending posts, remove my permission to post to wamug, then I can't offend anyone or cause wamug any legal problems, I'm fed up with reading sanctimonious rants anyway. Have a good life Regards Derek On 19/06/2012, at 1:34 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote: Hi Derek Unfortunately not. That is still software piracy. And you can get fined for it, as can the person that loaned it to you. It's a very fine line. Sorry to sound harsh. But it can also impact on WAMUG as well. It's fine to sell the computer but not the software. (unless you own it and legally sell the discs and serials). You're opening yourself up for big legal issues (and fines) by selling it (or even advertising on a public list). Sorry to say. Certainly sell the machine, but remove the software. :)) Kind regards Daniel Sent from my iPhone 4s --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au ** For Everything Apple ** On 19/06/2012, at 12:53 PM, Derek Perry dperry...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Hi Ronni, Yes I understand where you are coming from, I did see the instructions on how to get a computer ready for sale. I was just thinking that someone could take advantage of the installed software for as long as they were able to if when it no longer became viable then they hadn't lost anything because they hadn't payed for it it wasn't theirs in the first place, I would just be loaning it to them while it's working, just as it was loaned to me, by the legal owner. If anyone who buys it feels the same way you do, then surely they are free to uninstall it. Regards Derek From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com To: wamug@wamug.org.au wamug@wamug.org.au Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2012 12:16 PM Subject: Re: imac for sale Hi Derek, You should not leave software installed on your computer that you don't legally own. If you are selling a machine to someone without the media to reinstall and properly own that app, what happens if they have a crash or need to reinstall the software? Do the right thing by making really sure the buyer understands exactly what they are getting.
Re: Mountain Lion - AirPlay Mirroring - older iMacs?
Bugger! I just went to check out AirParrot as I thought it would FINALLY let me view ABC iView directly on my AppleTV by playing full-screen on my iMac and then mirroring to the AppleTV - only to find: it only supports videono audio is broadcasted via AirPlay. However, AirParrot¹s developers say this will be added in a future update. So - looks like a wait for the future update ;o) Or, perhaps, Mountain Lion - though I am in the same boat as Alan - mine is a late model 2009 (it is the i7 processor though) Sigh, it's hard to explain to Georgie why the AppleTV can play YouTube and Vimeo (and all the other assorted crap it shows) which she is supremely disinterested in - but it can't play iView. well dear, Apple would much rather just SELL you TV content and, besides an offering from an Australian- only public TV channel is SO far below Apple's radar that I doubt they have even heard of it! I still download and save some iView stuff but when you regularly watch a show real-time and then just miss an episode - I just want to watch it on iView (not download save) and Georgie doesn't appreciate being told go watch it on the computer - before they delete it! Oh Dear! I'm beginning to sound like I'm auditioning for Grumpy Old Men - though I might get beaten out by Roger ;o) On the contrary, I love the fact that my 27 iMac gives me great iView viewing and none of it counts towards my download quota ;o)) It's just a shame that the technology is all there in the iMac and Apple TV to do this - it's just not enabled in the Apple TV interface. It presumably can't be a licensing thing since there is an iView iPad app that supports AirPlay steaming to AppleTV - unfortunately I can't yet justify an iPad and there is not a universal or iPhone version of the app :o( On a (slightly) related note, has anyone else tried the BBC iPlayer (Global) app: http://itunes.apple.com/au/app/bbc-iplayer-global/id449130604 I did and was pleasantly surprised by the free content (Red Dwarf, Fawlty Towers etc) - however it turns out to be unwatchable on my reasonably fast ADSL (7.0 Mbps according to Speedtest.net and perfectly good for iView) - long buffering, few minutes video, long buffering, etc) - maybe when we get NBN ;o) Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: n...@possumology.com on 19/6/12 10:19 AM, Alan Smith at sma...@iinet.net.au wrote: Hi Ronni Thanks for prompt reply. Seems that I will just have to wait until ML is released - and possibly some updates too - to find if this great feature will work for me.At least I can test AirParrot as an interim substitute. Cheers Alan On 19/06/2012, at 10:05 AM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Alan, No one is sure yet if AirPlay Mirroring could be limited to Core i5/i7s? It is still in Beta so support for more Macs could happen. Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 19/06/2012, at 9:54 AM, Alan Smith sma...@iinet.net.au wrote: I'm looking forward to AirPlay Mirroring with Mountain Lion. But a TUAW article states that this feature requires mid-2011 hardware or newer for the most part. My iMac (late 2009 21.5 Intel Core 2 Duo 3.06GHz 4M - OSX 10.6.8 Snow Leopard) appears to meet all the requirements for an upgrade to Mountain Lion. I can't find any caveats on the Apple website. What is the critical mid-2011 hardware that I'm missing? Regards, Alan Alan Smith iMac 21.5 Intel Core 2 Duo 3.06GHz 4M - OSX 10.6.8 iPad2; ATV2 -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
Re: Mountain Lion - AirPlay Mirroring - older iMacs?
Hi Neil Have you checked the Release Notes for AirParrot? Audio through Apple TV is claimed or at least inferred (but perhaps American consumer protection allows such a statement - - -). Haven't bought it yet - they are not very open about advertising the cost and conditions. And I love the 10 minute free trial. The very early reviews on TUAW etc must have been original beta versions of AirParrot - they certainly state that no audio is broadcast. Wish you joy with iView.I found eyeTV much better (as long as I remember to record the show). Cheers Alan On 19/06/2012, at 7:23 PM, Neil Houghton wrote: Bugger! I just went to check out AirParrot as I thought it would FINALLY let me view ABC iView directly on my AppleTV by playing full-screen on my iMac and then mirroring to the AppleTV - only to find: it only supports video—no audio is broadcasted via AirPlay. However, AirParrot’s developers say this will be added in a future update. So - looks like a wait for the future update ;o) Or, perhaps, Mountain Lion - though I am in the same boat as Alan - mine is a late model 2009 (it is the i7 processor though) Sigh, it's hard to explain to Georgie why the AppleTV can play YouTube and Vimeo (and all the other assorted crap it shows) which she is supremely disinterested in - but it can't play iView. well dear, Apple would much rather just SELL you TV content and, besides an offering from an Australian- only public TV channel is SO far below Apple's radar that I doubt they have even heard of it! I still download and save some iView stuff but when you regularly watch a show real-time and then just miss an episode - I just want to watch it on iView (not download save) and Georgie doesn't appreciate being told go watch it on the computer - before they delete it! Oh Dear! I'm beginning to sound like I'm auditioning for Grumpy Old Men - though I might get beaten out by Roger ;o) On the contrary, I love the fact that my 27 iMac gives me great iView viewing and none of it counts towards my download quota ;o)) It's just a shame that the technology is all there in the iMac and Apple TV to do this - it's just not enabled in the Apple TV interface. It presumably can't be a licensing thing since there is an iView iPad app that supports AirPlay steaming to AppleTV - unfortunately I can't yet justify an iPad and there is not a universal or iPhone version of the app :o( On a (slightly) related note, has anyone else tried the BBC iPlayer (Global) app: http://itunes.apple.com/au/app/bbc-iplayer-global/id449130604 I did and was pleasantly surprised by the free content (Red Dwarf, Fawlty Towers etc) - however it turns out to be unwatchable on my reasonably fast ADSL (7.0 Mbps according to Speedtest.net and perfectly good for iView) - long buffering, few minutes video, long buffering, etc) - maybe when we get NBN ;o) Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: n...@possumology.com on 19/6/12 10:19 AM, Alan Smith at sma...@iinet.net.au wrote: Hi Ronni Thanks for prompt reply. Seems that I will just have to wait until ML is released - and possibly some updates too - to find if this great feature will work for me.At least I can test AirParrot as an interim substitute. Cheers Alan On 19/06/2012, at 10:05 AM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Alan, No one is sure yet if AirPlay Mirroring could be limited to Core i5/i7s? It is still in Beta so support for more Macs could happen. Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 19/06/2012, at 9:54 AM, Alan Smith sma...@iinet.net.au wrote: I'm looking forward to AirPlay Mirroring with Mountain Lion. But a TUAW article states that this feature requires mid-2011 hardware or newer for the most part. My iMac (late 2009 21.5 Intel Core 2 Duo 3.06GHz 4M - OSX 10.6.8 Snow Leopard) appears to meet all the requirements for an upgrade to Mountain Lion. I can't find any caveats on the Apple website. What is the critical mid-2011 hardware that I'm missing? Regards, Alan Alan Smith iMac 21.5 Intel Core 2 Duo 3.06GHz 4M - OSX 10.6.8 iPad2; ATV2 -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
Re: Mountain Lion - AirPlay Mirroring - older iMacs?
Hello again Neil I purchased AirParrot. Audio does work via Apple TV. And iView works too! App is a bit rough, but it works. Cheers Alan On 19/06/2012, at 8:18 PM, Alan Smith wrote: Hi Neil Have you checked the Release Notes for AirParrot? Audio through Apple TV is claimed or at least inferred (but perhaps American consumer protection allows such a statement - - -). Haven't bought it yet - they are not very open about advertising the cost and conditions. And I love the 10 minute free trial. The very early reviews on TUAW etc must have been original beta versions of AirParrot - they certainly state that no audio is broadcast. Wish you joy with iView.I found eyeTV much better (as long as I remember to record the show). Cheers Alan On 19/06/2012, at 7:23 PM, Neil Houghton wrote: Bugger! I just went to check out AirParrot as I thought it would FINALLY let me view ABC iView directly on my AppleTV by playing full-screen on my iMac and then mirroring to the AppleTV - only to find: it only supports video—no audio is broadcasted via AirPlay. However, AirParrot’s developers say this will be added in a future update. So - looks like a wait for the future update ;o) Or, perhaps, Mountain Lion - though I am in the same boat as Alan - mine is a late model 2009 (it is the i7 processor though) Sigh, it's hard to explain to Georgie why the AppleTV can play YouTube and Vimeo (and all the other assorted crap it shows) which she is supremely disinterested in - but it can't play iView. well dear, Apple would much rather just SELL you TV content and, besides an offering from an Australian- only public TV channel is SO far below Apple's radar that I doubt they have even heard of it! I still download and save some iView stuff but when you regularly watch a show real-time and then just miss an episode - I just want to watch it on iView (not download save) and Georgie doesn't appreciate being told go watch it on the computer - before they delete it! Oh Dear! I'm beginning to sound like I'm auditioning for Grumpy Old Men - though I might get beaten out by Roger ;o) On the contrary, I love the fact that my 27 iMac gives me great iView viewing and none of it counts towards my download quota ;o)) It's just a shame that the technology is all there in the iMac and Apple TV to do this - it's just not enabled in the Apple TV interface. It presumably can't be a licensing thing since there is an iView iPad app that supports AirPlay steaming to AppleTV - unfortunately I can't yet justify an iPad and there is not a universal or iPhone version of the app :o( On a (slightly) related note, has anyone else tried the BBC iPlayer (Global) app: http://itunes.apple.com/au/app/bbc-iplayer-global/id449130604 I did and was pleasantly surprised by the free content (Red Dwarf, Fawlty Towers etc) - however it turns out to be unwatchable on my reasonably fast ADSL (7.0 Mbps according to Speedtest.net and perfectly good for iView) - long buffering, few minutes video, long buffering, etc) - maybe when we get NBN ;o) Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: n...@possumology.com on 19/6/12 10:19 AM, Alan Smith at sma...@iinet.net.au wrote: Hi Ronni Thanks for prompt reply. Seems that I will just have to wait until ML is released - and possibly some updates too - to find if this great feature will work for me.At least I can test AirParrot as an interim substitute. Cheers Alan On 19/06/2012, at 10:05 AM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Alan, No one is sure yet if AirPlay Mirroring could be limited to Core i5/i7s? It is still in Beta so support for more Macs could happen. Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 19/06/2012, at 9:54 AM, Alan Smith sma...@iinet.net.au wrote: I'm looking forward to AirPlay Mirroring with Mountain Lion. But a TUAW article states that this feature requires mid-2011 hardware or newer for the most part. My iMac (late 2009 21.5 Intel Core 2 Duo 3.06GHz 4M - OSX 10.6.8 Snow Leopard) appears to meet all the requirements for an upgrade to Mountain Lion. I can't find any caveats on the Apple website. What is the critical mid-2011 hardware that I'm missing? Regards, Alan Alan Smith iMac 21.5 Intel Core 2 Duo 3.06GHz 4M - OSX 10.6.8 iPad2; ATV2 -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines -
Re: imac for sale
Thank you Daniel and Ronni for very clear expositions of what one can and cannot do under differing conditions. It is very helpful to those of us who are less knowledgeable. Regards, Jennifer On 19 June 2012 19:21, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote: Hi People, I was not going to respond to Derek's comments to me for bringing it to his attention and WAMUG members that what he was anticipating doing was contravening software copyright laws. I'm am upset with his attitude towards me, and now towards Daniel. I'm only the messenger here, doing what I do for WAMUG, giving informed and correct information to the group. Derek has put himself and WAMUG in a delicate position. He has again posted on a public mailing list after being warned he was contravening copyright laws and could cause repercussions for WAMUG. As I mentioned previously Apple Reps troll our mailing list quite often. I have had very good feedback from them as they do appreciate what we are doing on our mailing list. We can not appear as a group to condone software piracy of any kind. Daniel and I put in a lot of time to support people on WAMUG mailing list, and only ever give helpful advice and correct information in a very friendly and professional manner. Like Daniel I will not be having anything more to say on this matter. I have done what was the correct and right thing to do and that was inform Derek and members of the legalities. Kind Regards, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 19/06/2012, at 4:30 PM, Daniel Kerr dan...@macwizardry.com.au wrote: Hi Derek Sorry you feel that way. I wasn't lecturing, I was simply mentioning, and providing info to cover all parties. (buyer and seller). I've had clients who have had problems (and legal issues) with computers they bought themselves through eBay etc purchases with software they believed they owned, but didn't because It was preinstalled and they get didn't serials or software Discs and went to upgrade or reinstall and had issues with the company (Microsoft, Adobe etc). Software companies are more then happy to fine consumers in this area. That was my only reason for mentioning this. To cover all parties (buyer and seller). At the end of day what people choose to do with the info is their choice. It doesn't affect me either way. But I certainly don't lecture, as anyone who knows me can attest to. I've said my piece and don't have anything else to add to it. Kind regards Daniel Sent from my iPhone 4s --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au ** For Everything Apple ** On 19/06/2012, at 2:15 PM, Derek Perry dperry...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Hi Daniel, I know the pros cons don't need a lecture, I believe in helping people as much as I can as for the wamug list, if you feel that strongly about it, then remove the offending posts, remove my permission to post to wamug, then I can't offend anyone or cause wamug any legal problems, I'm fed up with reading sanctimonious rants anyway. Have a good life Regards Derek On 19/06/2012, at 1:34 PM, Daniel Kerr wrote: Hi Derek Unfortunately not. That is still software piracy. And you can get fined for it, as can the person that loaned it to you. It's a very fine line. Sorry to sound harsh. But it can also impact on WAMUG as well. It's fine to sell the computer but not the software. (unless you own it and legally sell the discs and serials). You're opening yourself up for big legal issues (and fines) by selling it (or even advertising on a public list). Sorry to say. Certainly sell the machine, but remove the software. :)) Kind regards Daniel Sent from my iPhone 4s --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au ** For Everything Apple ** On 19/06/2012, at 12:53 PM, Derek Perry dperry...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Hi Ronni, Yes I understand where you are coming from, I did see the instructions on how to get a computer ready for sale. I was just thinking that someone could take advantage of the installed software for as long as they were able to if when it no longer became viable then they hadn't lost anything because they hadn't payed for it it wasn't theirs in the first place, I would just be loaning it to them while it's working, just as it was loaned to me, by the legal owner. If anyone who buys it feels the same way you do, then surely they are free to uninstall it. Regards Derek From: Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com To: wamug@wamug.org.au wamug@wamug.org.au Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2012 12:16 PM Subject: Re: imac for sale Hi Derek, You should not leave software installed on your computer that you don't legally own. If you are selling a machine to someone
Re: Opening PDFs in Safari - all fixed
Just an update on PDF issue in Safari: PDFs now open automatically in Preview, once again, thank you Ronni for your help with this pesky issue. Your instructions were both clear and precise. Brian On 18/06/2012, at 10:58 PM, Brian Risbey wrote: Hi Ronni, No, the library didn't have adobe anything... but I found PDF Browser Plugin.plugin which I will also removed. thank you again, Brian On 18/06/2012, at 10:51 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Brian, You looked in the Hard Drive /Library /Internet Plug-ins folder, not your home ~/library? I can't see Apple changing their decision not to continue the 17 MBP. Once they drop supporting a machine or software... That's it... Gone forever :( Apple and Tim Cook are not listening to people like me who are disappointed on a few levels with how Apple are treating long time Apple Mac users. Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 18/06/2012, at 10:25 PM, Brian Risbey risb...@bigpond.com wrote: Genius, Thank you Ronni I was looking in the application not on a pdf for default app setting, Adobe Reader -trashed and trash emptied but the AdobePDFViewer.plugin wasn't in Library folder. Safari used to open PDFs in Preview but something changed a while ago and I seemed to need this other plug-in. P.S. also hoping that the 17 MacBook Pro omission is just a temporary thing - maybe Apple has been too busy recently..., maybe a direct email to Tim Cook might do it! ;-) Brian On 18/06/2012, at 8:59 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Brian, Yes, Safari 5.1 has it's own built-in native PDF viewer and does not need Adobe Reader. Uninstall Adobe Reader and delete the AdobePDFViewer.plugin from /Library/Internet Plug-ins? You may need to restart the computer. Then set Preview as Default application. Select any .pdf file. Press COMMAND-I to open the Get Info window. In the Open With panel select Preview as the default application then click on the !Change All' button. Cheers, Ronni Sent from Ronni's iPad On 18/06/2012, at 8:42 PM, Brian Risbey risb...@bigpond.com wrote: Hi all, I seemed to be using PDF browser plug-in, in Safari 5.1.7 in OS X 10.7.4 - Ronni has suggested in a response that I don't require it, did something change in an upgrade of Safari? If so, how do I re-instate Preview as default reader or 'native' support? Thank you Brian On 18/06/2012, at 10:36 AM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Tim, John Ian, I don't have ( never have had) any problems downloading Statements in my CBA Account, or any online PDFs, using Safari 5.1.7 in OS X 10.7.4. Click on a Statement, it immediately downloads (you see a blank window for a sec as it downloads) and the PDF then automatically opens in Preview.app (Preview is set as default PDF viewer). In Safari Preferences Security I have 'Block pop-up windows' enabled. I only suggested to Ian he disable 'Block pop-up windows' because that is what ANZ advises. I don't use Adobe Reader, I don't even have Adobe Reader installed on my MBP. Safari 5.1 doesn't use a PDF plugin, it has a built-in native PDF viewer. Have you tried taking the AdobePDFViewer.plugin out of /Library/Internet Plug-ins? 1. Quit Safari. 2. Open your Macintosh HD, then open the Library folder. 3. Go to Library then Internet Plug-ins. 4. Locate and delete the ‘AdobePDFViewer.plugin’. 5. Re-open Safari. You might find you need to restart your computer. Cheers, Ronni On 18/06/2012, at 9:39 AM, Tim Law wrote: Sorry, Ronni's email re Adobe Reader came whilst I was testing. • Upgrade to Adobe Reader or Acrobat version 10.1.3 or later. • Save the PDF file from Safari to the computer, and then open it directly in Adobe Reader or Acrobat. I am running Adobe Reader 10.1.3 If I right click on the link to download the statement, it downloads eStatementLoading.aspx which is not the page that displays the PDF. Thanks Tim On 18/06/2012, at 9:32 AM, Tim Law wrote: All, I have the same settings in Safari and cannot download the bank statements from Bankwest either. Unlike John T, this has been a longer standing issue than a few months and I recall posting a similar problem some time ago. Ronni suggested the company, not a bank, was not following web standards. I told them this, they said they were complaint. Impasse. I now use Chrome as my browser of choice and don't have these same problems as downloading PDF's in Safari. I'm using OSX 10.7.4 Safari Version 5.1.7 (7534.57.2) Mac Mini Intel Late 2009 Ronni, what happens in Safari with Bankwest is if I click on the 'statement number', to initiate a download of the statement, two things happen. First a new window opens. In that new window is a Bankwest coloured wheel that is rotating and text that says Loading... Page address https://ibs.bankwest.com.au/CMWeb/eStatements/ES/eStatementLoading.aspx? After three seconds, the screen turns to
screen stand
howdy I wonder if any can suggest where we can go to have a look at screen stands for 21 iMac I saw on youtube the Monitor in Motion which is sort of what we are after. http://www.monitorsinmotion.com/products ta -- gary dorn north perth -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
Re: screen stand
Have a look at this clever one from Quirky http://www.quirky.com/products/22-The-Space-Bar-Desk-Organizer Reg Reg Whitely Home: 08 9921 7272 Mob: 04 8899 7313 Email: rwhit...@internode.on.net On 20/06/2012, at 9:20 am, gary dorn wrote: howdy I wonder if any can suggest where we can go to have a look at screen stands for 21 iMac I saw on youtube the Monitor in Motion which is sort of what we are after. http://www.monitorsinmotion.com/products ta -- gary dorn north perth -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
Re: Mountain Lion - AirPlay Mirroring - older iMacs?
Hi Alan, OK, that's good to know. Many thanks for the feedback. When you say: App is a bit rough, but it works. What is the problem/roughness - is it in the interface/operability or is it in the resulting video/audio stream? Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: n...@possumology.com on 19/6/12 9:12 PM, Alan Smith at sma...@iinet.net.au wrote: Hello again Neil I purchased AirParrot. Audio does work via Apple TV. And iView works too! App is a bit rough, but it works. Cheers Alan On 19/06/2012, at 8:18 PM, Alan Smith wrote: Hi Neil Have you checked the Release Notes for AirParrot? Audio through Apple TV is claimed or at least inferred (but perhaps American consumer protection allows such a statement - - -). Haven't bought it yet - they are not very open about advertising the cost and conditions. And I love the 10 minute free trial. The very early reviews on TUAW etc must have been original beta versions of AirParrot - they certainly state that no audio is broadcast. Wish you joy with iView.I found eyeTV much better (as long as I remember to record the show). Cheers Alan On 19/06/2012, at 7:23 PM, Neil Houghton wrote: Bugger! I just went to check out AirParrot as I thought it would FINALLY let me view ABC iView directly on my AppleTV by playing full-screen on my iMac and then mirroring to the AppleTV - only to find: it only supports videono audio is broadcasted via AirPlay. However, AirParrot¹s developers say this will be added in a future update. So - looks like a wait for the future update ;o) Or, perhaps, Mountain Lion - though I am in the same boat as Alan - mine is a late model 2009 (it is the i7 processor though) Sigh, it's hard to explain to Georgie why the AppleTV can play YouTube and Vimeo (and all the other assorted crap it shows) which she is supremely disinterested in - but it can't play iView. well dear, Apple would much rather just SELL you TV content and, besides an offering from an Australian- only public TV channel is SO far below Apple's radar that I doubt they have even heard of it! I still download and save some iView stuff but when you regularly watch a show real-time and then just miss an episode - I just want to watch it on iView (not download save) and Georgie doesn't appreciate being told go watch it on the computer - before they delete it! Oh Dear! I'm beginning to sound like I'm auditioning for Grumpy Old Men - though I might get beaten out by Roger ;o) On the contrary, I love the fact that my 27 iMac gives me great iView viewing and none of it counts towards my download quota ;o)) It's just a shame that the technology is all there in the iMac and Apple TV to do this - it's just not enabled in the Apple TV interface. It presumably can't be a licensing thing since there is an iView iPad app that supports AirPlay steaming to AppleTV - unfortunately I can't yet justify an iPad and there is not a universal or iPhone version of the app :o( On a (slightly) related note, has anyone else tried the BBC iPlayer (Global) app: http://itunes.apple.com/au/app/bbc-iplayer-global/id449130604 I did and was pleasantly surprised by the free content (Red Dwarf, Fawlty Towers etc) - however it turns out to be unwatchable on my reasonably fast ADSL (7.0 Mbps according to Speedtest.net and perfectly good for iView) - long buffering, few minutes video, long buffering, etc) - maybe when we get NBN ;o) Cheers Neil -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
Re: Mountain Lion - AirPlay Mirroring - older iMacs?
Hi Neil Responding re your AirParrot question: I've spent the last hour or so typing up a response, then testing AirParrot again. Final result is that it is too early to give a review, but it is much more promising than I first thought. The bad video effects may just be due to my relatively underpowered iMac having to download a compressed iView movie (that has artefacts at the best of time) while simultaneously converting to H.264 for sending to ATV. Another possible cause of poor video (untested) is that initial tests were done with Apple TV connected via ethernet, with todays tests using WiFi. Operation is a bit clumsy. For example, several items need to be checked in the menu to set up air play, but the menu window closes after each item. Sound quality is good. Audio is stereo analogue and is either desktop or ATV. Setup requires an audio driver to be activated. Desktop mirroring worked with no apparent problem, but I only used relatively static views for a short time. Could not read fine text, eg from an email open on screen. But I don't think iPad mirroring does any better. Video quality - initial impression was not very good. I recall video quality was very ordinary. Video streaming was slow with periods of frozen images - possibly the result of encoding everything to H.264 (I think) on the fly. I tested iView with a 5 minute Minuscule episode and an eyeTV mirroring clip just before I emailed my comment to WAMUG last night. I later watched a 15 minute iView program but ATV just switched to screen saver and cut off audio at about the half way mark. Problem not investigated. There was a known AirParrot issue with video failing when ATV went into sleep mode (supposedly fixed) but my ATV sleep setting is 1 hour. I tested video quality again this morning because of my initial poor rating. I used WiFi instead of ethernet. Only watched video for relatively short periods. Quality good. An eyeTV live broadcast mirroring worked well with no image break up.Ditto with a movie played via Quicktime and mirrored. And iView continued to give poor quality, broken video, as well as dropping out completely. In summary, I will persevere with this $10 application but hope that Mountain Lion will make it redundant. I will get additional RAM for my iMac and see if that helps the iView problem.Haven't yet tried to watch a straight 30 minute mirror to test the ATV sleeping issue. Cheers Alan On 20/06/2012, at 10:36 AM, Neil Houghton wrote: Hi Alan, OK, that's good to know. Many thanks for the feedback. When you say: App is a bit rough, but it works. What is the problem/roughness - is it in the interface/operability or is it in the resulting video/audio stream? Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: n...@possumology.com -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Settings Unsubscribe - http://lists.wamug.org.au/listinfo/wamug.org.au-wamug
