Re: Yosemite Security and Malware

[Alan Smith]

Hi Ronni

I am very sorry to have disappointed you with my response.  Certainly I had no 
intention of ignoring all the other items in your answer.   You provided 
references to many days of reading which I have barely begun.

As WAMUG is a public (read) forum I feel I need to explain.  Your several 
responses over recent days raised tantalising hints that skirted around my 
original problem.  I responded immediately to just the Flash Player item in 
your last email because it really rocked me.  Apple disable it if they suspect 
a potential security problem so I felt secure.  Your general advice over the 
years was that this application is now not at the heart of malware infection 
and can be used with proper precautions.  Then your specific statement linking 
Flash Player and malware!  Other tantalising hints were raised in your original 
reply but I had not done further research into the implications of that.  I 
will raise this later.

One fault on my part was failure to assimilate your earlier comments and 
“tantalising hints”.  By taking blind action the security breach symptoms may 
have been removed, but not understood.  And would have left me with continuing 
doubts about the overall security of my network.  Perhaps I have now found the 
cause.

The basic problem on my part was one of communication.  My initial email was 
too long and the real issue was lost.  When requesting help from WAMUG I wanted 
to explain what actions I had taken to analyse the situation.  My diagnosis 
pointed to a "security breach" in Yosemite or Google, hence my three questions. 
I felt you responded to general security items and malware and did not deviate 
from that line, hence I felt that my original problem was not being addressed.

The original course of events is re-stated here:  I very recently installed 
Google Hangouts.  Soon after that I upgraded to OSX Yosemite.  Google then 
advised that attempts had been made to login to my account but the attempts 
were blocked.   Google security at this point seemed to be working perfectly.  
My thoughts were to find the cause and to stop the “unauthorised” login 
attempts.  There was nothing from Google to identify the target area of the 
break-in.  Was it directed to Hangouts, YouTube or Gmail?  I found that all 
attempts were made when the computer was in DarkWake mode during the iMac 
maintenance time window, or when I had just logged in.  In retrospect, my 
“help” request should have just asked what I could do as Google advised it had 
blocked account access from an unidentified device - and let you or other 
wamuggers initiate the analysis. 

I do not use the popular “social media” apps so Hangouts was a new experience.  
I recall your warnings of a few years ago with Google invasion of privacy 
through targeted search engine use etc, and the recommendation to update Google 
privacy and history.  I installed Hangouts because of an immediate need and 
potential for further use with closed group meetings of around 10 people.  The 
unforseen consequences of signing up to Hangouts alarmed me: Google swamped me 
with invitations and suggestions to expand my “circle” with hundreds(?) of 
proposed contacts of people that I might be interested in - and these were 
mostly contacts of people “in my circle".  I felt this threatened my personal 
privacy.  Then the Google security alert!  Panic: had I opened my computer to 
the world of hackers, scammers and phishers?

Now back to your other tantalising hint in your original reply.
>> 2. Does Yosemite initiate a logon process to gmail (or Hangouts) when a 
>> Mac wakes up?
> 
> I guess it depends on your Login and Settings at Google.

I have a dormant Gmail account.  Yesterday I created a new mail account in the 
iMac with this identity.  Then overnight I got another Google warning alert 
that a login attempt had been blocked.  What, another email password hacked 
within hours of creation?  The iMac Console log provided a clue.  While I am 
trying not to jump to conclusions - I haven’t researched the evidence - the 
Console log entry “Mail: No worthy mechs found” at the precise time noted by 
Google seem to point to a standard Yosemite task (presumably one that checks 
for new mail) as the culprit.  Google has done its security check and told me 
about the blocked login attempt.  With this extra knowledge I can now go to my 
Google account and tick the appropriate security boxes.  I guess one of those 
boxes will be to allow access to “less secure apps”, which from Google’s point 
of view may well be the Yosemite mail check process.  Another of your original 
tantalising hints, which I did raise later without resolution.

I am very conscious of privacy and security and follow all (well, nearly all) 
of the approved processes.  But I possibly go too far and react too quickly to 
security alerts.

Again, I am sorry to have caused you distress.  Your dedication, knowledge and 
patience with WAMUG members is much admir

Re: Migration Assistant - Help please

[Rod Blitvich]

Thank you Ronni

(I waited 11 hours  for that “1 minute remaining”  ;)  )
Blitto


Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
 Good Ideas 
 0409 681 256  
 rb...@iinet.net.au  


> On 5 Jun 2015, at 6:17 am, Ronda Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Blitto,
> 
> Well I hope you have had success by this morning.
> I have found over the years of doing Transfer & Setups for clients (& family 
> & myself) that running a Repair Permissions and Repair Disk on the computer 
> you are going to migrate from prevents these kind of problems.
> That said, the last minute can take a long time
> Often if you are patient it does finally finish.
> 
> On the occasions when it doesn't, I go ahead and quit and things do seem to 
> work out ok.  This has been happening for years, through many operating 
> systems.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
> 
> 
> On 4 Jun 2015, at 7:23 pm, Rod Blitvich  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ronni
>> Probably repaired permissions about a week ago, but not yesterday.
>> 
>> 
>> Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
>>  Good Ideas 
>>  0409 681 256  
>>  rb...@iinet.net.au  
>> 
>> 
>>> On 4 Jun 2015, at 6:38 pm, Ronda Brown >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Rod,
>>> 
>>> Did you Repair Permissions and Repair Disk on the MBP before doing the 
>>> Migration Assistant transfer of Data to new MBA?
>>> 
>>> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 4 Jun 2015, at 5:40 pm, Rod Blitvich >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Found lots of stories about this happening on various supportline chats
 No easy solution
 Phoned Apple support their “experts” told me to quit Migration assistant - 
 and I would only maybe lose 1% of data not transferred
 Guess what?
 NONE OF IT TRANSFERRED - after 24 hours!!
 
 Now trying again from Time Machine backup instead of from the other macbook
 
 ARRRHH!~!!
 
 
 
 Rod Blitvich 
 Head of Learning Technologies
 Balcatta Senior High School
 Respect Unite Excel
 
 
 A: Poincaire St Balcatta, 6021 F: (08) 9349 9118 
 P: (08) 93458200 ext 221 E: rodney.blitv...@education.wa.edu.au 
 
  
 M: 0409 681 256 W: http://www.balcattashs.wa.edu.au 
 
 
 
 
 
> On 4 Jun 2015, at 6:37 am, rb...@iinet.net.au  
> wrote:
> 
> My new macbook 12 arrived.
> I started it up and chose to transfer information from another mac (my 
> existing macbook).
> The existing macbook was running the latest OS and i had run software 
> update a few days ago.
> I left it running and went to bed.
> 
> This morning I checked and it said "transferring documents, 1 minute 
> remaining" (13 hours after starting, transferring from 256GB macbook pro)
> An hour later - still 1 minute remaining.
> 
> I will leave it running and go to work.
> Please - any advice if it still says 1 minute remaining when I get home 
> from work
> 
> ta
> Blitto
> 
> 
> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
> Archives -  >
> Guidelines -  >
> Settings & Unsubscribe - 
>  >
 
 -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
 Archives - >
 Guidelines - >
 Settings & Unsubscribe - 
 >
>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
>>> Archives - >> >
>>> Guidelines - >> >
>>> Settings & Unsubscribe - 
>>> >> >
>> 
>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
>> Archives - > 

Re: Migration Assistant - Help please

[Ronda Brown]

That's normal Blitto for some software registrations etc.
There's always a bit of setting up involved after the transfer from old Mac to 
new Mac.

Enjoy you new MacBook Air. I love my MBA... but my 17" MacBook Pro will always 
hold a special place as my favourite Mac computer ;-)

Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad4


> On 5 Jun 2015, at 6:10 am, Rod Blitvich  wrote:
> 
> Migration from Time Machine backup worked!
> BUT a few pieces of software are asking for Registration details
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
>  0409 681 256  
>  rb...@iinet.net.au 
> 
> 
> A Life? Cool! Where can I download one of those from?
> 
>> On 4 Jun 2015, at 7:23 pm, Rod Blitvich  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ronni
>> Probably repaired permissions about a week ago, but not yesterday.
>> 
>> 
>> Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
>>  Good Ideas 
>>  0409 681 256  
>>  rb...@iinet.net.au 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 4 Jun 2015, at 6:38 pm, Ronda Brown  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Rod,
>>> 
>>> Did you Repair Permissions and Repair Disk on the MBP before doing the 
>>> Migration Assistant transfer of Data to new MBA?
>>> 
>>> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
>>> 
>>> 
 On 4 Jun 2015, at 5:40 pm, Rod Blitvich  wrote:
 
 Found lots of stories about this happening on various supportline chats
 No easy solution
 Phoned Apple support their “experts” told me to quit Migration assistant - 
 and I would only maybe lose 1% of data not transferred
 Guess what?
 NONE OF IT TRANSFERRED - after 24 hours!!
 
 Now trying again from Time Machine backup instead of from the other macbook
 
 ARRRHH!~!!
 
 
 
 Rod Blitvich 
 Head of Learning Technologies
 Balcatta Senior High School
 Respect Unite Excel
 
 
 A: Poincaire St Balcatta, 6021 F: (08) 9349 9118 
 P: (08) 93458200 ext 221 E: rodney.blitv...@education.wa.edu.au 
 M: 0409 681 256 W: http://www.balcattashs.wa.edu.au
 
 
 
 
> On 4 Jun 2015, at 6:37 am, rb...@iinet.net.au wrote:
> 
> My new macbook 12 arrived.
> I started it up and chose to transfer information from another mac (my 
> existing macbook).
> The existing macbook was running the latest OS and i had run software 
> update a few days ago.
> I left it running and went to bed.
> 
> This morning I checked and it said "transferring documents, 1 minute 
> remaining" (13 hours after starting, transferring from 256GB macbook pro)
> An hour later - still 1 minute remaining.
> 
> I will leave it running and go to work.
> Please - any advice if it still says 1 minute remaining when I get home 
> from work
> 
> ta
> Blitto
> 
> 
> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
> Archives - 
> Guidelines - 
> Settings & Unsubscribe - 
> 
 
 -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
 Archives - 
 Guidelines - 
 Settings & Unsubscribe - 
 
>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
>>> Archives - 
>>> Guidelines - 
>>> Settings & Unsubscribe - 
>>> 
>> 
>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
>> Archives - 
>> Guidelines - 
>> Settings & Unsubscribe - 
>> 
> 
> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
> Archives - 
> Guidelines - 
> Settings & Unsubscribe - 
> 
-- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
Archives - 
Guidelines - 
Settings & Unsubscribe - 

Re: Migration Assistant - Help please

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Blitto,

Well I hope you have had success by this morning.
I have found over the years of doing Transfer & Setups for clients (& family & 
myself) that running a Repair Permissions and Repair Disk on the computer you 
are going to migrate from prevents these kind of problems.
That said, the last minute can take a long time
Often if you are patient it does finally finish.

On the occasions when it doesn't, I go ahead and quit and things do seem to 
work out ok.  This has been happening for years, through many operating systems.

Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad4


> On 4 Jun 2015, at 7:23 pm, Rod Blitvich  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronni
> Probably repaired permissions about a week ago, but not yesterday.
> 
> 
> Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
>  Good Ideas 
>  0409 681 256  
>  rb...@iinet.net.au 
> 
> 
>> On 4 Jun 2015, at 6:38 pm, Ronda Brown  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Rod,
>> 
>> Did you Repair Permissions and Repair Disk on the MBP before doing the 
>> Migration Assistant transfer of Data to new MBA?
>> 
>> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
>> 
>> 
>>> On 4 Jun 2015, at 5:40 pm, Rod Blitvich  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Found lots of stories about this happening on various supportline chats
>>> No easy solution
>>> Phoned Apple support their “experts” told me to quit Migration assistant - 
>>> and I would only maybe lose 1% of data not transferred
>>> Guess what?
>>> NONE OF IT TRANSFERRED - after 24 hours!!
>>> 
>>> Now trying again from Time Machine backup instead of from the other macbook
>>> 
>>> ARRRHH!~!!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Rod Blitvich 
>>> Head of Learning Technologies
>>> Balcatta Senior High School
>>> Respect Unite Excel
>>> 
>>> 
>>> A: Poincaire St Balcatta, 6021 F: (08) 9349 9118 
>>> P: (08) 93458200 ext 221 E: rodney.blitv...@education.wa.edu.au 
>>> M: 0409 681 256 W: http://www.balcattashs.wa.edu.au
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 4 Jun 2015, at 6:37 am, rb...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 My new macbook 12 arrived.
 I started it up and chose to transfer information from another mac (my 
 existing macbook).
 The existing macbook was running the latest OS and i had run software 
 update a few days ago.
 I left it running and went to bed.
 
 This morning I checked and it said "transferring documents, 1 minute 
 remaining" (13 hours after starting, transferring from 256GB macbook pro)
 An hour later - still 1 minute remaining.
 
 I will leave it running and go to work.
 Please - any advice if it still says 1 minute remaining when I get home 
 from work
 
 ta
 Blitto
 
 
 -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
 Archives - 
 Guidelines - 
 Settings & Unsubscribe - 
 
>>> 
>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
>>> Archives - 
>>> Guidelines - 
>>> Settings & Unsubscribe - 
>>> 
>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
>> Archives - 
>> Guidelines - 
>> Settings & Unsubscribe - 
>> 
> 
> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
> Archives - 
> Guidelines - 
> Settings & Unsubscribe - 
> 
-- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
Archives - 
Guidelines - 
Settings & Unsubscribe - 

Re: Migration Assistant - Help please

[Rod Blitvich]

Migration from Time Machine backup worked!
BUT a few pieces of software are asking for Registration details


 

Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
 0409 681 256  
 rb...@iinet.net.au  


A Life? Cool! Where can I download one of those from?

> On 4 Jun 2015, at 7:23 pm, Rod Blitvich  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronni
> Probably repaired permissions about a week ago, but not yesterday.
> 
> 
> Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
>  Good Ideas 
>  0409 681 256  
>  rb...@iinet.net.au  
> 
> 
>> On 4 Jun 2015, at 6:38 pm, Ronda Brown > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Rod,
>> 
>> Did you Repair Permissions and Repair Disk on the MBP before doing the 
>> Migration Assistant transfer of Data to new MBA?
>> 
>> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
>> 
>> 
>> On 4 Jun 2015, at 5:40 pm, Rod Blitvich > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Found lots of stories about this happening on various supportline chats
>>> No easy solution
>>> Phoned Apple support their “experts” told me to quit Migration assistant - 
>>> and I would only maybe lose 1% of data not transferred
>>> Guess what?
>>> NONE OF IT TRANSFERRED - after 24 hours!!
>>> 
>>> Now trying again from Time Machine backup instead of from the other macbook
>>> 
>>> ARRRHH!~!!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Rod Blitvich 
>>> Head of Learning Technologies
>>> Balcatta Senior High School
>>> Respect Unite Excel
>>> 
>>> 
>>> A: Poincaire St Balcatta, 6021 F: (08) 9349 9118 
>>> P: (08) 93458200 ext 221 E: rodney.blitv...@education.wa.edu.au 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> M: 0409 681 256 W: http://www.balcattashs.wa.edu.au 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 4 Jun 2015, at 6:37 am, rb...@iinet.net.au  
 wrote:
 
 My new macbook 12 arrived.
 I started it up and chose to transfer information from another mac (my 
 existing macbook).
 The existing macbook was running the latest OS and i had run software 
 update a few days ago.
 I left it running and went to bed.
 
 This morning I checked and it said "transferring documents, 1 minute 
 remaining" (13 hours after starting, transferring from 256GB macbook pro)
 An hour later - still 1 minute remaining.
 
 I will leave it running and go to work.
 Please - any advice if it still says 1 minute remaining when I get home 
 from work
 
 ta
 Blitto
 
 
 -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
 Archives - >
 Guidelines - >
 Settings & Unsubscribe - 
 >
>>> 
>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
>>> Archives - >> >
>>> Guidelines - >> >
>>> Settings & Unsubscribe - 
>>> >> >
>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
>> Archives - > >
>> Guidelines - > >
>> Settings & Unsubscribe - 
>> > >
> 
> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
> Archives - 
> Guidelines - 
> Settings & Unsubscribe - 
> 

-- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
Archives - 
Guidelines - 
Settings & Unsubscribe - 

Re: Right button fail on Magic Mouse ?

[Stephen Chape]

Well I’ll be !!
It worked … thank you once again Ronni.

Out of curiosity what mouse do you use please ?
Or do you use a track pad ?

I got so fed up with mine losing connection and re-connecting.
I tried the aluminium foil trick but although it helped it still happened.
Then my Apple re-chargeable batteries gradually got weaker and weaker.
To the point where a full charge showed 45%.
I dumped them about a week ago and replaced with some of the new Ultra 
Duracells (not rechargeable).
I will see how long they last.

Before last week I had been using my trusty old Apple Wired Mouse for about 3 
weeks.
Even bought a Logitech M105 (only $16) but it was very frail and clunky so gave 
that up.
But I like the swipe functions on the magic Mouse so much I am trying to 
persist now.

> On 4 Jun 2015, at 11:42 pm, Ronda Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Stephen,
> 
> I was just finishing up and your email came in as I was a losing my iPad.
> 
> If I can remember correctly as I don't use a Magic Mouse but Go to:
> System Preferences > Mouse and disable "Secondary click".  
> Then restart your Mac.  
> Then return to System Preferences > Mouse and re-enable Secondary Click.  
> That used to work some time back, worth a try anyway.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
> 
> 
> On 4 Jun 2015, at 11:32 pm, Stephen Chape  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi Folks,
>> 
>> Has anyone had the right button periodically fail on their Magic Mouse ?
>> Every so often it simply does not work and I have to resort to Control Click 
>> for Right Button actions.
>> It does this about every 3 weeks or so for a few days, then returns to 
>> normal.
>> 
>> I can’t figure if it is a mouse issue or a configuration issue of some sort ?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Stephen Chape
> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
> Archives - 
> Guidelines - 
> Settings & Unsubscribe - 
> 


Regards,
Stephen Chape






-- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
Archives - 
Guidelines - 
Settings & Unsubscribe - 

Re: Right button fail on Magic Mouse ?

[Stephen Chape]

Ta Ronni .. I will try that.
I already tried unchecking that and then rechecking it again.
But I never thought to restart.


> On 4 Jun 2015, at 11:42 pm, Ronda Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Stephen,
> 
> I was just finishing up and your email came in as I was a losing my iPad.
> 
> If I can remember correctly as I don't use a Magic Mouse but Go to:
> System Preferences > Mouse and disable "Secondary click".  
> Then restart your Mac.  
> Then return to System Preferences > Mouse and re-enable Secondary Click.  
> That used to work some time back, worth a try anyway.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
> 
> 
> On 4 Jun 2015, at 11:32 pm, Stephen Chape  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi Folks,
>> 
>> Has anyone had the right button periodically fail on their Magic Mouse ?
>> Every so often it simply does not work and I have to resort to Control Click 
>> for Right Button actions.
>> It does this about every 3 weeks or so for a few days, then returns to 
>> normal.
>> 
>> I can’t figure if it is a mouse issue or a configuration issue of some sort ?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Stephen Chape
> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
> Archives - 
> Guidelines - 
> Settings & Unsubscribe - 
> 


Regards,
Stephen Chape






-- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
Archives - 
Guidelines - 
Settings & Unsubscribe - 

Re: Right button fail on Magic Mouse ?

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Stephen,

I was just finishing up and your email came in as I was a losing my iPad.

If I can remember correctly as I don't use a Magic Mouse but Go to:
System Preferences > Mouse and disable "Secondary click".  
Then restart your Mac.  
Then return to System Preferences > Mouse and re-enable Secondary Click.  
That used to work some time back, worth a try anyway.

Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad4


> On 4 Jun 2015, at 11:32 pm, Stephen Chape  wrote:
> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
> Has anyone had the right button periodically fail on their Magic Mouse ?
> Every so often it simply does not work and I have to resort to Control Click 
> for Right Button actions.
> It does this about every 3 weeks or so for a few days, then returns to normal.
> 
> I can’t figure if it is a mouse issue or a configuration issue of some sort ?
> 
> Regards,
> Stephen Chape
-- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
Archives - 
Guidelines - 
Settings & Unsubscribe - 

Re: Yosemite Security and Malware

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Alan,

I've found it difficult this week with work commitments to make time to respond 
to WAMUG... But I have put in time & effort to help and I'm disappointed that 
your only response is this one comment below.

>> Why do you think you have Malware - Have you recently tried to download & 
>> install  'Flash Player' or ?


> Are you saying that Flash Player should be deleted?

Not necessarily as long as it is updated to the latest version from Adobe, not 
from some website telling you to.

I only mentioned Flash Player as here in the real world widespread adoption of 
Adobe Flash, Adobe Reader, and Oracle's Java makes all three irresistible 
targets for hackers and malware peddlers. The attacks reached a fever pitch in 
the early months of 2013, with a flood of reports about Flash, Reader, and Java 
exploits. 
Apple stopped providing its own Java browser plug-in in October, 2012 and a 
subsequent software update deleted it. Oracle has assumed responsibility for 
the Java applet plug-in since then.
All three (if you need to use them) need to be kept updated.

You haven't mentioned whether you have read and understood the security & 
privacy & Malware information or downloaded and run AdwareMedic to test.
Or if you are going to update your software and security & privacy settings.

You indicated you were concerned about security and protecting your privacy (& 
you should be), but you seem to be ignoring advise from Apple, Google & myself 
and not prepared to do anything about it.

Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad4


> On 4 Jun 2015, at 7:33 pm, Alan Smith  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronni
> 
>>   Have you recently tried to download & install  'Flash Player' or ?
> 
> Are you saying that Flash Player should be deleted?  I have used Flash Player 
> irregularly for several years for viewing YouTube movies.  I understood the 
> app was approved by Apple and that access is blocked if there is a security 
> risk.  Adobe will then release a software update.
> 
> I also have AIR by Adobe installed for the W.A. Libraries 'Zinio Reader' app.
> 
> Cheers
> Alan
> 
> 
>> On 4 Jun 2015, at 1:30 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Alan,
>> 
>> I thought I had explained how Yosemite handles Malware / Security & Privacy 
>> in my first reply.
>> 
>> "Keep your Apple software up to date, especially Security Updates install 
>> Security Updates immediately they are available.
>> Gatekeeper - It’s an old feature (presented in OS X Mountain Lion 10.8) that 
>> protects a Mac from malware and “misbehaving apps downloaded from the 
>> internet.”
>> Privacy Controls, Sandboxing and Core-level Protection all these tools are 
>> in OS X Yosemite.
>> 
>> Did you read the link that I included?... 
>> 
>> 
>> Apple is extremely adept at issuing security updates that remove OS X 
>> malware as it is discovered. 
>> But... Apple can't help if you don't let it help you!
>> 
>> Comments in Situ
>> 
>>> On 3 Jun 2015, at 1:22 pm, Alan Smith  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Ronni
>>> 
>>> OK, so OSX does not include any method to test for malware.  If a mechancal 
>>> fault (the loose nut in the keyboard!) lets some in then I can’t test for 
>>> it until smoke appears?
>> 
>> I repeat - Apple is extremely adept at issuing security updates that remove 
>> OS X malware as it is discovered. 
>> 
>> Why do you think you have Malware - Have you recently tried to download & 
>> install  'Flash Player' or ?
>> Malware doesn't attempt to get into your machine without your knowledge - it 
>> is malicious software disguised as legitimate software. 
>> It tricks you into installing it as you would any other program, and then 
>> when it is installed it starts to gather information about you. 
>> In most instances it wants to get hold of your credit card or banking 
>> details and passes them on to nefarious individuals on the other end.
>> 
>> Where things get tricky is that most Mac malware pretends to be the very 
>> thing you want to use to get rid of it. Most Mac malware seems to masquerade 
>> as anti-virus or anti-malware software. While there is no definitive list of 
>> OS X malware, here are some names to watch out for:
>> • MacKeeper
>>  • MacDefender
>>  • MacProtector
>>  • MacSecurity
>> 
>> So, to be clear: these are names of programs you should be avoiding.
>> 
>> If you feel you might have downloaded Malware go here & download AdwareMedic 
>> 2.2.3  
>> I recommend AdwareMedic as it takes care of all currently known adware and 
>> is self-updating within a day of anything new being discovered.
>> AdwareMedic is safe, secure and very fast to clean your Mac. It's free and 
>> of course have the option to Donate. 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> I note that both Apple and Google place high value on Customer privacy and 
>>> security - and both want to enhance my internet experience!  Which is very 
>>> pleasing… (?)
>

Right button fail on Magic Mouse ?

[Stephen Chape]

Hi Folks,

Has anyone had the right button periodically fail on their Magic Mouse ?
Every so often it simply does not work and I have to resort to Control Click 
for Right Button actions.
It does this about every 3 weeks or so for a few days, then returns to normal.

I can’t figure if it is a mouse issue or a configuration issue of some sort ?

Regards,
Stephen Chape






-- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
Archives - 
Guidelines - 
Settings & Unsubscribe - 

Re: Yosemite Security and Malware

[Alan Smith]

Hi Ronni

>   Have you recently tried to download & install  'Flash Player' or ?

Are you saying that Flash Player should be deleted?  I have used Flash Player 
irregularly for several years for viewing YouTube movies.  I understood the app 
was approved by Apple and that access is blocked if there is a security risk.  
Adobe will then release a software update.

I also have AIR by Adobe installed for the W.A. Libraries 'Zinio Reader' app.

Cheers
Alan


> On 4 Jun 2015, at 1:30 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Alan,
> 
> I thought I had explained how Yosemite handles Malware / Security & Privacy 
> in my first reply.
> 
> "Keep your Apple software up to date, especially Security Updates install 
> Security Updates immediately they are available.
> Gatekeeper - It’s an old feature (presented in OS X Mountain Lion 10.8) that 
> protects a Mac from malware and “misbehaving apps downloaded from the 
> internet.”
> Privacy Controls, Sandboxing and Core-level Protection all these tools are in 
> OS X Yosemite.
> 
> Did you read the link that I included?... 
>  >
> 
> Apple is extremely adept at issuing security updates that remove OS X malware 
> as it is discovered. 
> But... Apple can't help if you don't let it help you!
> 
> Comments in Situ
> 
>> On 3 Jun 2015, at 1:22 pm, Alan Smith > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ronni
>> 
>> OK, so OSX does not include any method to test for malware.  If a mechancal 
>> fault (the loose nut in the keyboard!) lets some in then I can’t test for it 
>> until smoke appears?
> 
> I repeat - Apple is extremely adept at issuing security updates that remove 
> OS X malware as it is discovered. 
> 
> Why do you think you have Malware - Have you recently tried to download & 
> install  'Flash Player' or ?
> Malware doesn't attempt to get into your machine without your knowledge - it 
> is malicious software disguised as legitimate software. 
> It tricks you into installing it as you would any other program, and then 
> when it is installed it starts to gather information about you. 
> In most instances it wants to get hold of your credit card or banking details 
> and passes them on to nefarious individuals on the other end.
> 
> Where things get tricky is that most Mac malware pretends to be the very 
> thing you want to use to get rid of it. Most Mac malware seems to masquerade 
> as anti-virus or anti-malware software. While there is no definitive list of 
> OS X malware, here are some names to watch out for:
> • MacKeeper
>   • MacDefender
>   • MacProtector
>   • MacSecurity
> 
> So, to be clear: these are names of programs you should be avoiding.
> 
> If you feel you might have downloaded Malware go here & download AdwareMedic 
> 2.2.3   >
> I recommend AdwareMedic  as it takes 
> care of all currently known adware and is self-updating within a day of 
> anything new being discovered.
> AdwareMedic is safe, secure and very fast to clean your Mac. It's free and of 
> course have the option to Donate. 
>  >
> 
>> 
>> I note that both Apple and Google place high value on Customer privacy and 
>> security - and both want to enhance my internet experience!  Which is very 
>> pleasing… (?)
> 
> If you take notice of their advice and security! 
>> 
>> I still have security concerns.  I will rephrase the problem and my 
>> perceptions of Google’s involvement.
>> 
>> A few months ago with OSX Mavericks 10.9.5 I took part in a Google Hangouts 
>> meeting.  I wanted to isolate Hangouts from Safari so I downloaded Chrome 
>> which has Hangouts video and voice facilities built-in.  I thought the 
>> Chrome browser and Google conditions of use were too invasive: I deleted it 
>> completely.  I then downloaded Firefox and installed the Google Hangouts 
>> plug-ins.  All went well as far as I could tell.  I then upgraded to OSX 
>> Yosemite 10.10.3. 
>> 
>> Google then advised they blocked a login attempt to my account so I changed 
>> the password.  Google sent a second advice a few days later about a similar 
>> attempt.  This time I determined that the attempt came from my own URL 
>> address.  (Didn’t check that for the first try.)  You said:
>>> Follow the link and simply enable "Access for less secure apps". 
>> 
>> That sounds counter-intuitive.  I don’t want less secure apps to 
>> automatically access my account!  Or do I?
> 
> Apple Mail client is not less secure, but you sound determined to use Google 
> and participate in Google Hangouts regardless of not having upgraded your 
> Google Accounts security.
> Your Gmail is still secure with SSL in Apple Mail.
>> 
>> Yosemite Console log shows several entries each day about “Google Software 
>

Re: Migration Assistant - Help please

[Rod Blitvich]

Hi Ronni
Probably repaired permissions about a week ago, but not yesterday.


Rod Blitvich  - Amy & Sam’s Dad
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
 Good Ideas 
 0409 681 256  
 rb...@iinet.net.au  


> On 4 Jun 2015, at 6:38 pm, Ronda Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Rod,
> 
> Did you Repair Permissions and Repair Disk on the MBP before doing the 
> Migration Assistant transfer of Data to new MBA?
> 
> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
> 
> 
> On 4 Jun 2015, at 5:40 pm, Rod Blitvich  > wrote:
> 
>> Found lots of stories about this happening on various supportline chats
>> No easy solution
>> Phoned Apple support their “experts” told me to quit Migration assistant - 
>> and I would only maybe lose 1% of data not transferred
>> Guess what?
>> NONE OF IT TRANSFERRED - after 24 hours!!
>> 
>> Now trying again from Time Machine backup instead of from the other macbook
>> 
>> ARRRHH!~!!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Rod Blitvich 
>> Head of Learning Technologies
>> Balcatta Senior High School
>> Respect Unite Excel
>> 
>> 
>> A: Poincaire St Balcatta, 6021 F: (08) 9349 9118 
>> P: (08) 93458200 ext 221 E: rodney.blitv...@education.wa.edu.au 
>> 
>>  
>> M: 0409 681 256 W: http://www.balcattashs.wa.edu.au 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 4 Jun 2015, at 6:37 am, rb...@iinet.net.au  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My new macbook 12 arrived.
>>> I started it up and chose to transfer information from another mac (my 
>>> existing macbook).
>>> The existing macbook was running the latest OS and i had run software 
>>> update a few days ago.
>>> I left it running and went to bed.
>>> 
>>> This morning I checked and it said "transferring documents, 1 minute 
>>> remaining" (13 hours after starting, transferring from 256GB macbook pro)
>>> An hour later - still 1 minute remaining.
>>> 
>>> I will leave it running and go to work.
>>> Please - any advice if it still says 1 minute remaining when I get home 
>>> from work
>>> 
>>> ta
>>> Blitto
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
>>> Archives - >> >
>>> Guidelines - >> >
>>> Settings & Unsubscribe - 
>>> >> >
>> 
>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
>> Archives - > >
>> Guidelines - > >
>> Settings & Unsubscribe - 
>> > >
> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
> Archives - 
> Guidelines - 
> Settings & Unsubscribe - 
> 

-- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
Archives - 
Guidelines - 
Settings & Unsubscribe - 

Re: External drive included in Time Machine Backup

[Peter Crisp]

Ok, noted thanks Ronni. The OS X is on the MBP drive on board, not on the 
external. Yes, good idea your test below, I might try the test first on a new 
drive to prove the test. Then reformat the drive again and do a CCC of the 
whole (MBP+External drive), then I have my additional backup already sorted on 
top of my TM backup.

Regards

Pete.


> On 4 Jun 2015, at 5:01 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> Re: So I hope I have cleared up the understanding of my question from the 
> original post. If I were to loose the external drive, then if I bought a new 
> drive, plugged it in and the did a Restore from the TM back up of the ENTIRE 
> external drive onto the NEW drive, will that restore the contents in exactly 
> the same folder structure that it was? 
> Would subsequent backups duplicate the now new external drive contents and 
> bloat the Sparesebundle into an enormous thing?
> 
> First - Take Note:  Don't try to Restore the backup of your OS X System to a 
> External Drive... You can't do that!!!
> 
> To Restore from the Time Machine Backup of the External Drive that holds just 
> Media/Data (iPhoto Library & iTunes Library)
> First you need to be able to SEE the backups of a volume that's no longer 
> connected.
> 
> To see the backups of a volume that’s no longer connected:
> 
> As this is a Data-Only Drive (with iTunes & Photos Libraries) but not OS X
> For these instructions I’ll call the backup disc MyMedia (don't change the 
> name of whatever you had)
> 
> 1. Open a Finder window and select your computer name in the Finder Sidebar 
> (or press Shift+Cmd+C).
> 
> 2. Then Enter Time Machine  (Star Wars interface from the Time Machine icon)
> On the first Finder window in the "cascade," labelled Today (Now), you'll see 
> all the volumes currently connected to your Mac.
> 
> Disk MyMedia, which was backed-up previously, but has failed /stolen / or 
> disconnected, does not appear.
> Do not select anything in the Today (Now) Finder window
> 
> Instead, select the TimeLine entry or Finder window for a previous backup, 
> and you'll see a folder for each volume that was backed-up then or 
> previously, including any that are not currently available.
> 
> The folder for MyMedia does appear in the center only, but not in the sidebar.
> 
> Double-click the folder for MyMedia; then you can navigate to whatever you're 
> looking for.
> Once you find the backup you want, select all the top-level folders (not the 
> one representing the disk itself).
> Control-Click, choose the Restore  to... option, then the  New 
> External Drive.
> 
> Note: that other things in the Finder sidebar that are now connected, but 
> were not included in the backup being displayed are shown in gray, not black, 
> and of course you can’t select them. 
> 
> Hopefully that would work... 
> Might be worth getting a New External Drive - format it correctly GUID 
> Partition map scheme & Mac OS Extended (Journaled) as you have the current 
> external drive formatted and do a TEST 
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
> 
> OS X Yosemite 10.10.2
> 
>> On 3 Jun 2015, at 7:46 pm, Peter Crisp > > wrote:
>> 
>> Comments inserted.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2 Jun 2015, at 1:43 pm, Ronni Brown >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Peter,
>>> 
>>> Comments in Situ
>>> 
 On 1 Jun 2015, at 7:17 pm, Peter Crisp >>> > wrote:
 
 Ok, my apologies for not making it clear then. A pity we can’t use 
 diagrams on this forum. I use a Time Capsule for wireless backup for all 5 
 MBP’s in my house. 
 
 For my MBP 13” retina, I use a portable external drive (attached to the 
 MBP) to hold the iTunes and Photos libraries as the 250GB on board MBP 
 hard drive is too small. When I set up Time Machine to do my backups of 
 the MBP hard drive (inc attached portable external drive), 
>>> 
 I selected ‘Options’ and then added the external drive (the one attached 
 to my MBP) to be included in the backup to the Time Capsule. 
>>> Huh? When you select ‘Options’ in System Preferences > Time Machine - Data 
>>> (Peter’s Time Capsule?)  the Options window would show the attached 
>>> external drive under “Exclude these items from backups”. Yes, you’re right, 
>>> my mistake - I didn’t exclude, by default the externally attached drive is 
>>> included. So the External drive is included within the full back up - 
>>> evidenced by the fact that my MBP has 70GB in use (180GB Free of 250GB) and 
>>> my 2TB external drive makes up the balance of the 650GB backup 
>>> Sparesebundle.
>>> 
 So the Sparesebundle backup file on the Time Capsule therefore holds a 
 copy of the data on the external drive attached to the MBP.
>>> 
>>> Are you sure? Have you checked by going to the Time Machine icon >  ‘Enter 
>>> Time

Re: Migration Assistant - Help please

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Rod,

Did you Repair Permissions and Repair Disk on the MBP before doing the 
Migration Assistant transfer of Data to new MBA?

Sent from Ronni's iPad4


> On 4 Jun 2015, at 5:40 pm, Rod Blitvich  wrote:
> 
> Found lots of stories about this happening on various supportline chats
> No easy solution
> Phoned Apple support their “experts” told me to quit Migration assistant - 
> and I would only maybe lose 1% of data not transferred
> Guess what?
> NONE OF IT TRANSFERRED - after 24 hours!!
> 
> Now trying again from Time Machine backup instead of from the other macbook
> 
> ARRRHH!~!!
> 
> 
> 
> Rod Blitvich 
> Head of Learning Technologies
> Balcatta Senior High School
> Respect Unite Excel
> 
> 
> A: Poincaire St Balcatta, 6021 F: (08) 9349 9118 
> P: (08) 93458200 ext 221 E: rodney.blitv...@education.wa.edu.au 
> M: 0409 681 256 W: http://www.balcattashs.wa.edu.au
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 4 Jun 2015, at 6:37 am, rb...@iinet.net.au wrote:
>> 
>> My new macbook 12 arrived.
>> I started it up and chose to transfer information from another mac (my 
>> existing macbook).
>> The existing macbook was running the latest OS and i had run software update 
>> a few days ago.
>> I left it running and went to bed.
>> 
>> This morning I checked and it said "transferring documents, 1 minute 
>> remaining" (13 hours after starting, transferring from 256GB macbook pro)
>> An hour later - still 1 minute remaining.
>> 
>> I will leave it running and go to work.
>> Please - any advice if it still says 1 minute remaining when I get home from 
>> work
>> 
>> ta
>> Blitto
>> 
>> 
>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
>> Archives - 
>> Guidelines - 
>> Settings & Unsubscribe - 
>> 
> 
> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
> Archives - 
> Guidelines - 
> Settings & Unsubscribe - 
> 
-- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
Archives - 
Guidelines - 
Settings & Unsubscribe - 

Re: Migration Assistant - Help please

[Rod Blitvich]

Found lots of stories about this happening on various supportline chats
No easy solution
Phoned Apple support their “experts” told me to quit Migration assistant - and 
I would only maybe lose 1% of data not transferred
Guess what?
NONE OF IT TRANSFERRED - after 24 hours!!

Now trying again from Time Machine backup instead of from the other macbook

ARRRHH!~!!



Rod Blitvich 
Head of Learning Technologies
Balcatta Senior High School
Respect Unite Excel


A: Poincaire St Balcatta, 6021 F: (08) 9349 9118 
P: (08) 93458200 ext 221 E: rodney.blitv...@education.wa.edu.au 

 
M: 0409 681 256 W: http://www.balcattashs.wa.edu.au 





> On 4 Jun 2015, at 6:37 am, rb...@iinet.net.au wrote:
> 
> My new macbook 12 arrived.
> I started it up and chose to transfer information from another mac (my 
> existing macbook).
> The existing macbook was running the latest OS and i had run software update 
> a few days ago.
> I left it running and went to bed.
> 
> This morning I checked and it said "transferring documents, 1 minute 
> remaining" (13 hours after starting, transferring from 256GB macbook pro)
> An hour later - still 1 minute remaining.
> 
> I will leave it running and go to work.
> Please - any advice if it still says 1 minute remaining when I get home from 
> work
> 
> ta
> Blitto
> 
> 
> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
> Archives - 
> Guidelines - 
> Settings & Unsubscribe - 
> 

-- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
Archives - 
Guidelines - 
Settings & Unsubscribe - 

Re: External drive included in Time Machine Backup

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Peter,

Re: So I hope I have cleared up the understanding of my question from the 
original post. If I were to loose the external drive, then if I bought a new 
drive, plugged it in and the did a Restore from the TM back up of the ENTIRE 
external drive onto the NEW drive, will that restore the contents in exactly 
the same folder structure that it was? 
Would subsequent backups duplicate the now new external drive contents and 
bloat the Sparesebundle into an enormous thing?

First - Take Note:  Don't try to Restore the backup of your OS X System to a 
External Drive... You can't do that!!!

To Restore from the Time Machine Backup of the External Drive that holds just 
Media/Data (iPhoto Library & iTunes Library)
First you need to be able to SEE the backups of a volume that's no longer 
connected.

To see the backups of a volume that’s no longer connected:

As this is a Data-Only Drive (with iTunes & Photos Libraries) but not OS X
For these instructions I’ll call the backup disc MyMedia (don't change the name 
of whatever you had)

1. Open a Finder window and select your computer name in the Finder Sidebar (or 
press Shift+Cmd+C).

2. Then Enter Time Machine  (Star Wars interface from the Time Machine icon)
On the first Finder window in the "cascade," labelled Today (Now), you'll see 
all the volumes currently connected to your Mac.

Disk MyMedia, which was backed-up previously, but has failed /stolen / or 
disconnected, does not appear.
Do not select anything in the Today (Now) Finder window

Instead, select the TimeLine entry or Finder window for a previous backup, and 
you'll see a folder for each volume that was backed-up then or previously, 
including any that are not currently available.

The folder for MyMedia does appear in the center only, but not in the sidebar.

Double-click the folder for MyMedia; then you can navigate to whatever you're 
looking for.
Once you find the backup you want, select all the top-level folders (not the 
one representing the disk itself).
Control-Click, choose the Restore  to... option, then the  New External 
Drive.

Note: that other things in the Finder sidebar that are now connected, but were 
not included in the backup being displayed are shown in gray, not black, and of 
course you can’t select them. 

Hopefully that would work... 
Might be worth getting a New External Drive - format it correctly GUID 
Partition map scheme & Mac OS Extended (Journaled) as you have the current 
external drive formatted and do a TEST 

Cheers,
Ronni

13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage

OS X Yosemite 10.10.2

> On 3 Jun 2015, at 7:46 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> Comments inserted.
> 
> 
>> On 2 Jun 2015, at 1:43 pm, Ronni Brown > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Peter,
>> 
>> Comments in Situ
>> 
>>> On 1 Jun 2015, at 7:17 pm, Peter Crisp >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ok, my apologies for not making it clear then. A pity we can’t use diagrams 
>>> on this forum. I use a Time Capsule for wireless backup for all 5 MBP’s in 
>>> my house. 
>>> 
>>> For my MBP 13” retina, I use a portable external drive (attached to the 
>>> MBP) to hold the iTunes and Photos libraries as the 250GB on board MBP hard 
>>> drive is too small. When I set up Time Machine to do my backups of the MBP 
>>> hard drive (inc attached portable external drive), 
>> 
>>> I selected ‘Options’ and then added the external drive (the one attached to 
>>> my MBP) to be included in the backup to the Time Capsule. 
>> Huh? When you select ‘Options’ in System Preferences > Time Machine - Data 
>> (Peter’s Time Capsule?)  the Options window would show the attached external 
>> drive under “Exclude these items from backups”. Yes, you’re right, my 
>> mistake - I didn’t exclude, by default the externally attached drive is 
>> included. So the External drive is included within the full back up - 
>> evidenced by the fact that my MBP has 70GB in use (180GB Free of 250GB) and 
>> my 2TB external drive makes up the balance of the 650GB backup Sparesebundle.
>> 
>>> So the Sparesebundle backup file on the Time Capsule therefore holds a copy 
>>> of the data on the external drive attached to the MBP.
>> 
>> Are you sure? Have you checked by going to the Time Machine icon >  ‘Enter 
>> Time Machine’? 
>> Are you sure this external drive which holds your iTunes Library & Photos 
>> Library has been backed up to your Time Capsule? Yes, the backup file is 
>> ~650GB which is the sum of what is on the MBP + what is on the external 
>> drive.
>> 
>> Either I’m overworked and not thinking straight, but I’m certainly not on 
>> the same page as you :(
>> With Time Machine, you can go "back in time" to Restore files, versions of 
>> files, or your entire system.
>> To open a Photo Library that has been backed up with Time Machine the 
>> Library must be first Restored from the TM Hard Drive to your Boo

Re: NO BROWSER

[Julie Bedford]

Hi Geoff,

Just saw your reply - thanks for the suggestion.  I didn't know that mail does 
not go through a proxy server. 
The Proxies on the network had two items ticked - no idea why, but know now to 
ensure they are all left
unticked if I have problems in that area in the future.  It's amazing how much 
one learns on this list.

Thanks again

Jewels

On 04/06/2015, at 4:06 PM, Kaye and Geoff wrote:

> Hi Julie and Ronni
> 
> On 04/06/2015, at 3:51 PM, Julie Bedford wrote:
> 
>> You are an absolute godsend - seriously.
>> All fixed !!
> 
> 
> I have just seen Ronni's reply, and it seems that I was mistaken in thinking 
> that the problem was not with your computer. Our ISP, as far as I know, 
> enforces the use of a proxy no matter what settings you have in your browser.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Geoff
> ---
> Kaye and Geoff
> k...@kgweb.org.au
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
> Archives - 
> Guidelines - 
> Settings & Unsubscribe - 
> 

-- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
Archives - 
Guidelines - 
Settings & Unsubscribe - 

Re: NO BROWSER

[Kaye and Geoff]

Hi Julie and Ronni

On 04/06/2015, at 3:51 PM, Julie Bedford wrote:

> You are an absolute godsend - seriously.
> All fixed !!


I have just seen Ronni's reply, and it seems that I was mistaken in thinking 
that the problem was not with your computer. Our ISP, as far as I know, 
enforces the use of a proxy no matter what settings you have in your browser.

Regards

Geoff
---
Kaye and Geoff
k...@kgweb.org.au





-- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
Archives - 
Guidelines - 
Settings & Unsubscribe - 

Re: NO BROWSER

[Kaye and Geoff]

Hi Julie

On 04/06/2015, at 2:51 PM, Julie Bedford wrote:

> All was working fine earlier today, now I am unable to use Safari or Firefox 
> - when trying to connect I get "The proxy server is refusing connections"  - 
> however I can send and receive email.  Any suggestions.  I have not tampered 
> with any cables.
> (OS 10.7.5 - Mac Pro)


The problem is nothing to do with your computer. The proxy is a device used by 
your ISP to route (and in theory make more efficient) web page access. If the 
proxy refuses to talk to you, then you will not be able to see any web pages. 
Mail does not go through a proxy server.

As to why it is refusing connections, who knows. You need to ask your ISP. I 
would think that if you waited for a few hours, whatever is wrong will be fixed 
and it will all be working again.

Regards

Geoff
---
Kaye and Geoff
k...@kgweb.org.au





-- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
Archives - 
Guidelines - 
Settings & Unsubscribe - 

Re: NO BROWSER

[Julie Bedford]

Ronni

You are an absolute godsend - seriously.
All fixed !!

Thank you

Jewels
On 04/06/2015, at 3:33 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> Hi Jewels,
> 
> Go to System Preferences > Network - select your connection then click 
> 'Advanced'
> The click the Proxies button and make sure NOTHING is selected here.
> Click OK
> 
> See if that fixes your issue.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
> 
> 
>> On 4 Jun 2015, at 2:51 pm, Julie Bedford  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> All was working fine earlier today, now I am unable to use Safari or Firefox 
>> - when trying to connect I get "The proxy server is refusing connections"  - 
>> however I can send and receive email.  Any suggestions.  I have not tampered 
>> with any cables.
>> (OS 10.7.5 - Mac Pro)
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Jewels
>> 
>> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
>> Archives - 
>> Guidelines - 
>> Settings & Unsubscribe - 
>> 
> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
> Archives - 
> Guidelines - 
> Settings & Unsubscribe - 
> 

-- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
Archives - 
Guidelines - 
Settings & Unsubscribe - 

Re: NO BROWSER

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Jewels,

Go to System Preferences > Network - select your connection then click 
'Advanced'
The click the Proxies button and make sure NOTHING is selected here.
Click OK

See if that fixes your issue.

Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad4


> On 4 Jun 2015, at 2:51 pm, Julie Bedford  wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> All was working fine earlier today, now I am unable to use Safari or Firefox 
> - when trying to connect I get "The proxy server is refusing connections"  - 
> however I can send and receive email.  Any suggestions.  I have not tampered 
> with any cables.
> (OS 10.7.5 - Mac Pro)
> 
> Cheers
> Jewels
> 
> -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
> Archives - 
> Guidelines - 
> Settings & Unsubscribe - 
> 
-- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List --
Archives - 
Guidelines - 
Settings & Unsubscribe -