Re: Mail signatures

[Ronda Brown]

Yippee!

Sent from Ronni's iPad4


> On 7 Feb 2016, at 8:26 PM, Severin Crisp  wrote:
> 
> All fixed now!  
> See signature below!
> 
> 
>  Assoc Prof R Severin Crisp, FAIP, FIP, CPhys
> 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia
>   ph (08) 9842 1950 ( Int'l +61 8 9842 1950)
>mail to: sevcr...@westnet.com.au
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 7 Feb 2016, at 5:33 PM, Bill Parker  wrote:
>> 
>> One of my wife’s friends had the habit of sticking bank notes in books and 
>> forgetting where.   When she moved to the east, her little library turned 
>> out to be worth a tidy sum
>> Bill
>>> On 7 Feb 2016, at 16:53, Ronda Brown  wrote:
>>> 
>>> hehe hee :-))  I also keep notes and records... but normally can't find 
>>> them when I need to! My excuse is 'my filing system is hopeless'!
>>> 
>>> I had a good chuckle reading your father's "emergency cash in a book" 
>>> episode! It was a really great idea with the location; to put the cash in a 
>>> book in the library... There was only one flaw in the great idea... :(
>>> ---
>>> Email yourself the signatures to MBA copy and paste it into the signature 
>>> settings.
>>> Always a pleasure to help you.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
>>> 
>>> 
 On 7 Feb 2016, at 4:05 PM, Severin Crisp  wrote:
 
 Yes, Professors DO keep notes and records, but as they get old and doddery 
 they forget where they saved them!   Like my Father, a medico rather than 
 a professor and anything but doddery, in the 1940s when a Japanese 
 invasion seemed likely he put a significant amount of emergency cash into 
 a book in our library which was very extensive - yes, after the excitement 
 had passed he forgot which book!  
 I had myself already tried your solution below with a similar result.  
 I will now take the easy way out and:-
1. Empty the signatures folder on the MBAir
2. Take text copies of the needed signatures from “Sent” emails on the 
 iMac
3. As if adding new signatures, paste in the copies on the MacAir
 That should fix it!  it may even be how I did it before!
 Thanks for bearing with me
 Severin
 
> On 7 Feb 2016, at 9:47 AM, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Severin,
> 
> Going back to your original post to WAMUG mailing list.
> /quote
> "I know I brought the signatures across from the iMac when first setting 
> up the Air but have no recollection how I did it!”
> /end quote
> Don’t Professors keep notes ;-)
> 
> I don’t know how you transferred all your Data over from the iMac to the 
> MacBook Air, but I’m assuming that when you transferred Mail you also 
> transferred Keychain Data across.
> 
> Ok - On the iMac is Mail working all correctly and the signatures are 
> attached to their correct accounts?
> On the MacBook Air Mail accounts are now all working correctly but 
> signatures are not showing?
> If this is so, I would suggest you try:
> 
> On the iMac and MacBook Air 
> 1.  Make sure Mail is QUIT
> 2. Turn OFF Time Machine
> 3. Then copy the 'Signatures Folder' located at  
> ~/Library/Mail/V3/MailData/Signatures Folder
> from the iMac 
> 4. Then place the Signatures folder in the same location  
> ~/Library/Mail/V3/MailData/Signatures Folder
> on the MacBook Air (replacing the original Signatures folder) 
> 5.Then launch Mail on the MacBook Air
> 
> Provided that you have the same accounts set up on the MacBook Air as you 
> do on the iMac, your signatures should be attached to their correct 
> accounts.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
>> On 6 Feb 2016, at 9:30 PM, Severin Crisp  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, they are all there
>> 
>>> On 6 Feb 2016, at 6:11 PM, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>>> 
>>> But are any Signatures in the Signatures Folder located at
>>> ~/Library/Mail/V3//MailData/Signatures Folder ?
>>> 
>>> There should be many files in that Signature Folder - similar to these:
>>> 
>>> 661CF5F7-82D5-4525-8FD2-6C9D9A556A50.mailsignature
>>> 661CF5F7-82D5-4525-8FD2-6C9D9A556A50.webarchive
>>> 662D600C-ADCC-4EE6-B53B-D4F5BCB99E9A.mailsignature
>>> 662D600C-ADCC-4EE6-B53B-D4F5BCB99E9A.webarchive
>>> 92164E81-10BA-40B2-AE4B-23327320A7B1.mailsignature
>>> 92164E81-10BA-40B2-AE4B-23327320A7B1.webarchive
>>> 
>>> and 
>>> AccountsMap.plist
>>> AllSignatures.plist
>>> ——
>>> If there aren’t any of files there - you don’t have any signatures - 
>>> and will need to setup new signatures and then Assign each new 
>>> signature to one account, or to multiple accounts and configure their 
>>> behaviour, as I explained in my previous reply to WAMUG.
>>> 
>>> If y

Re: Mail signatures

[Severin Crisp]

All fixed now!  
See signature below!


 Assoc Prof R Severin Crisp, FAIP, FIP, CPhys
15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia
  ph (08) 9842 1950 ( Int'l +61 8 9842 1950)
   mail to: sevcr...@westnet.com.au 






> On 7 Feb 2016, at 5:33 PM, Bill Parker  wrote:
> 
> One of my wife’s friends had the habit of sticking bank notes in books and 
> forgetting where.   When she moved to the east, her little library turned out 
> to be worth a tidy sum
> Bill
>> On 7 Feb 2016, at 16:53, Ronda Brown mailto:ro...@mac.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> hehe hee :-))  I also keep notes and records... but normally can't find them 
>> when I need to! My excuse is 'my filing system is hopeless'!
>> 
>> I had a good chuckle reading your father's "emergency cash in a book" 
>> episode! It was a really great idea with the location; to put the cash in a 
>> book in the library... There was only one flaw in the great idea... :(
>> ---
>> Email yourself the signatures to MBA copy and paste it into the signature 
>> settings.
>> Always a pleasure to help you.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
>> 
>> 
>> On 7 Feb 2016, at 4:05 PM, Severin Crisp > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes, Professors DO keep notes and records, but as they get old and doddery 
>>> they forget where they saved them!   Like my Father, a medico rather than a 
>>> professor and anything but doddery, in the 1940s when a Japanese invasion 
>>> seemed likely he put a significant amount of emergency cash into a book in 
>>> our library which was very extensive - yes, after the excitement had passed 
>>> he forgot which book!  
>>> I had myself already tried your solution below with a similar result.  
>>> I will now take the easy way out and:-
>>> 1. Empty the signatures folder on the MBAir
>>> 2. Take text copies of the needed signatures from “Sent” emails on the 
>>> iMac
>>> 3. As if adding new signatures, paste in the copies on the MacAir
>>> That should fix it!  it may even be how I did it before!
>>> Thanks for bearing with me
>>> Severin
>>> 
 On 7 Feb 2016, at 9:47 AM, Ronni Brown >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi Severin,
 
 Going back to your original post to WAMUG mailing list.
 /quote
 "I know I brought the signatures across from the iMac when first setting 
 up the Air but have no recollection how I did it!”
 /end quote
 Don’t Professors keep notes ;-)
 
 I don’t know how you transferred all your Data over from the iMac to the 
 MacBook Air, but I’m assuming that when you transferred Mail you also 
 transferred Keychain Data across.
 
 Ok - On the iMac is Mail working all correctly and the signatures are 
 attached to their correct accounts?
 On the MacBook Air Mail accounts are now all working correctly but 
 signatures are not showing?
 If this is so, I would suggest you try:
 
 On the iMac and MacBook Air 
 1.  Make sure Mail is QUIT
 2. Turn OFF Time Machine
 3. Then copy the 'Signatures Folder' located at  
 ~/Library/Mail/V3/MailData/Signatures Folder
 from the iMac 
 4. Then place the Signatures folder in the same location  
 ~/Library/Mail/V3/MailData/Signatures Folder
 on the MacBook Air (replacing the original Signatures folder) 
 5.Then launch Mail on the MacBook Air
 
 Provided that you have the same accounts set up on the MacBook Air as you 
 do on the iMac, your signatures should be attached to their correct 
 accounts.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
> On 6 Feb 2016, at 9:30 PM, Severin Crisp  > wrote:
> 
> Yes, they are all there
> 
>> On 6 Feb 2016, at 6:11 PM, Ronni Brown > > wrote:
>> 
>> But are any Signatures in the Signatures Folder located at
>> ~/Library/Mail/V3//MailData/Signatures Folder ?
>> 
>> There should be many files in that Signature Folder - similar to these:
>> 
>> 661CF5F7-82D5-4525-8FD2-6C9D9A556A50.mailsignature
>> 661CF5F7-82D5-4525-8FD2-6C9D9A556A50.webarchive
>> 662D600C-ADCC-4EE6-B53B-D4F5BCB99E9A.mailsignature
>> 662D600C-ADCC-4EE6-B53B-D4F5BCB99E9A.webarchive
>> 92164E81-10BA-40B2-AE4B-23327320A7B1.mailsignature
>> 92164E81-10BA-40B2-AE4B-23327320A7B1.webarchive
>> 
>> and 
>> AccountsMap.plist
>> AllSignatures.plist
>> ——
>> If there aren’t any of files there - you don’t have any signatures - and 
>> will need to setup new signatures and then Assign each new signature to 
>> one account, or to multiple accounts and configure their behaviour, as I 
>> explained in my previous reply to WAMUG.
>> 
>> If you require details how to setup new

Re: Mail signatures

[Bill Parker]

One of my wife’s friends had the habit of sticking bank notes in books and 
forgetting where.   When she moved to the east, her little library turned out 
to be worth a tidy sum
Bill
> On 7 Feb 2016, at 16:53, Ronda Brown  wrote:
> 
> hehe hee :-))  I also keep notes and records... but normally can't find them 
> when I need to! My excuse is 'my filing system is hopeless'!
> 
> I had a good chuckle reading your father's "emergency cash in a book" 
> episode! It was a really great idea with the location; to put the cash in a 
> book in the library... There was only one flaw in the great idea... :(
> ---
> Email yourself the signatures to MBA copy and paste it into the signature 
> settings.
> Always a pleasure to help you.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
> 
> 
> On 7 Feb 2016, at 4:05 PM, Severin Crisp  > wrote:
> 
>> Yes, Professors DO keep notes and records, but as they get old and doddery 
>> they forget where they saved them!   Like my Father, a medico rather than a 
>> professor and anything but doddery, in the 1940s when a Japanese invasion 
>> seemed likely he put a significant amount of emergency cash into a book in 
>> our library which was very extensive - yes, after the excitement had passed 
>> he forgot which book!  
>> I had myself already tried your solution below with a similar result.  
>> I will now take the easy way out and:-
>>  1. Empty the signatures folder on the MBAir
>>  2. Take text copies of the needed signatures from “Sent” emails on the 
>> iMac
>>  3. As if adding new signatures, paste in the copies on the MacAir
>> That should fix it!  it may even be how I did it before!
>> Thanks for bearing with me
>> Severin
>> 
>>> On 7 Feb 2016, at 9:47 AM, Ronni Brown >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Severin,
>>> 
>>> Going back to your original post to WAMUG mailing list.
>>> /quote
>>> "I know I brought the signatures across from the iMac when first setting up 
>>> the Air but have no recollection how I did it!”
>>> /end quote
>>> Don’t Professors keep notes ;-)
>>> 
>>> I don’t know how you transferred all your Data over from the iMac to the 
>>> MacBook Air, but I’m assuming that when you transferred Mail you also 
>>> transferred Keychain Data across.
>>> 
>>> Ok - On the iMac is Mail working all correctly and the signatures are 
>>> attached to their correct accounts?
>>> On the MacBook Air Mail accounts are now all working correctly but 
>>> signatures are not showing?
>>> If this is so, I would suggest you try:
>>> 
>>> On the iMac and MacBook Air 
>>> 1.  Make sure Mail is QUIT
>>> 2. Turn OFF Time Machine
>>> 3. Then copy the 'Signatures Folder' located at  
>>> ~/Library/Mail/V3/MailData/Signatures Folder
>>> from the iMac 
>>> 4. Then place the Signatures folder in the same location  
>>> ~/Library/Mail/V3/MailData/Signatures Folder
>>> on the MacBook Air (replacing the original Signatures folder) 
>>> 5.Then launch Mail on the MacBook Air
>>> 
>>> Provided that you have the same accounts set up on the MacBook Air as you 
>>> do on the iMac, your signatures should be attached to their correct 
>>> accounts.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
 On 6 Feb 2016, at 9:30 PM, Severin Crisp >>> > wrote:
 
 Yes, they are all there
 
> On 6 Feb 2016, at 6:11 PM, Ronni Brown  > wrote:
> 
> But are any Signatures in the Signatures Folder located at
> ~/Library/Mail/V3//MailData/Signatures Folder ?
> 
> There should be many files in that Signature Folder - similar to these:
> 
> 661CF5F7-82D5-4525-8FD2-6C9D9A556A50.mailsignature
> 661CF5F7-82D5-4525-8FD2-6C9D9A556A50.webarchive
> 662D600C-ADCC-4EE6-B53B-D4F5BCB99E9A.mailsignature
> 662D600C-ADCC-4EE6-B53B-D4F5BCB99E9A.webarchive
> 92164E81-10BA-40B2-AE4B-23327320A7B1.mailsignature
> 92164E81-10BA-40B2-AE4B-23327320A7B1.webarchive
> 
> and 
> AccountsMap.plist
> AllSignatures.plist
> ——
> If there aren’t any of files there - you don’t have any signatures - and 
> will need to setup new signatures and then Assign each new signature to 
> one account, or to multiple accounts and configure their behaviour, as I 
> explained in my previous reply to WAMUG.
> 
> If you require details how to setup new signatures, post back & I’ll give 
> you details.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
>> On 6 Feb 2016, at 5:15 PM, Severin Crisp > > wrote:
>> 
>> No I am not seeing any signatures at all in the Prefs window.   The item 
>> Signatures even says “0 signatures” in the Signatures window and the 
>> second and third windows are blank.  
>> Accounts Map.plist, AllSignatures.plist and SignaturesByAccout.plist are 
>> all showing.
>> Severin
>>   
>>> 
>>> 
 On 5 Feb 2016, at 5:35 PM, Severin Crisp >>> 

Re: Mail signatures

[Ronda Brown]

hehe hee :-))  I also keep notes and records... but normally can't find them 
when I need to! My excuse is 'my filing system is hopeless'!

I had a good chuckle reading your father's "emergency cash in a book" episode! 
It was a really great idea with the location; to put the cash in a book in the 
library... There was only one flaw in the great idea... :(
---
Email yourself the signatures to MBA copy and paste it into the signature 
settings.
Always a pleasure to help you.

Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad4


> On 7 Feb 2016, at 4:05 PM, Severin Crisp  wrote:
> 
> Yes, Professors DO keep notes and records, but as they get old and doddery 
> they forget where they saved them!   Like my Father, a medico rather than a 
> professor and anything but doddery, in the 1940s when a Japanese invasion 
> seemed likely he put a significant amount of emergency cash into a book in 
> our library which was very extensive - yes, after the excitement had passed 
> he forgot which book!  
> I had myself already tried your solution below with a similar result.  
> I will now take the easy way out and:-
>   1. Empty the signatures folder on the MBAir
>   2. Take text copies of the needed signatures from “Sent” emails on the 
> iMac
>   3. As if adding new signatures, paste in the copies on the MacAir
> That should fix it!  it may even be how I did it before!
> Thanks for bearing with me
> Severin
> 
>> On 7 Feb 2016, at 9:47 AM, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Severin,
>> 
>> Going back to your original post to WAMUG mailing list.
>> /quote
>> "I know I brought the signatures across from the iMac when first setting up 
>> the Air but have no recollection how I did it!”
>> /end quote
>> Don’t Professors keep notes ;-)
>> 
>> I don’t know how you transferred all your Data over from the iMac to the 
>> MacBook Air, but I’m assuming that when you transferred Mail you also 
>> transferred Keychain Data across.
>> 
>> Ok - On the iMac is Mail working all correctly and the signatures are 
>> attached to their correct accounts?
>> On the MacBook Air Mail accounts are now all working correctly but 
>> signatures are not showing?
>> If this is so, I would suggest you try:
>> 
>> On the iMac and MacBook Air 
>> 1.  Make sure Mail is QUIT
>> 2. Turn OFF Time Machine
>> 3. Then copy the 'Signatures Folder' located at  
>> ~/Library/Mail/V3/MailData/Signatures Folder
>> from the iMac 
>> 4. Then place the Signatures folder in the same location  
>> ~/Library/Mail/V3/MailData/Signatures Folder
>> on the MacBook Air (replacing the original Signatures folder) 
>> 5.Then launch Mail on the MacBook Air
>> 
>> Provided that you have the same accounts set up on the MacBook Air as you do 
>> on the iMac, your signatures should be attached to their correct accounts.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>>> On 6 Feb 2016, at 9:30 PM, Severin Crisp  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, they are all there
>>> 
 On 6 Feb 2016, at 6:11 PM, Ronni Brown  wrote:
 
 But are any Signatures in the Signatures Folder located at
 ~/Library/Mail/V3//MailData/Signatures Folder ?
 
 There should be many files in that Signature Folder - similar to these:
 
 661CF5F7-82D5-4525-8FD2-6C9D9A556A50.mailsignature
 661CF5F7-82D5-4525-8FD2-6C9D9A556A50.webarchive
 662D600C-ADCC-4EE6-B53B-D4F5BCB99E9A.mailsignature
 662D600C-ADCC-4EE6-B53B-D4F5BCB99E9A.webarchive
 92164E81-10BA-40B2-AE4B-23327320A7B1.mailsignature
 92164E81-10BA-40B2-AE4B-23327320A7B1.webarchive
 
 and 
 AccountsMap.plist
 AllSignatures.plist
 ——
 If there aren’t any of files there - you don’t have any signatures - and 
 will need to setup new signatures and then Assign each new signature to 
 one account, or to multiple accounts and configure their behaviour, as I 
 explained in my previous reply to WAMUG.
 
 If you require details how to setup new signatures, post back & I’ll give 
 you details.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
> On 6 Feb 2016, at 5:15 PM, Severin Crisp  wrote:
> 
> No I am not seeing any signatures at all in the Prefs window.   The item 
> Signatures even says “0 signatures” in the Signatures window and the 
> second and third windows are blank.  
> Accounts Map.plist, AllSignatures.plist and SignaturesByAccout.plist are 
> all showing.
> Severin
>   
>> 
>> 
>>> On 5 Feb 2016, at 5:35 PM, Severin Crisp  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> By an unfortunate error, I alone am to blame!, the signatures file on 
>>> my MacBook Air Mail is empty. 
>>> It mirrored the file in my iMac, both running latest el Capitan.  
>>> Restoring the Signatures file (in  ~sev/library/mail/V3/maildata  from 
>>> TimeMachine  works fine but still no signatures.  
>>> I know I brought the signatures across from the iMac when first setting 
>>> up the Air but have no recollection how I did it!
>>> Advice welcomed - it’s too hot for these tr

Re: Mail signatures

[Severin Crisp]

Yes, Professors DO keep notes and records, but as they get old and doddery they 
forget where they saved them!   Like my Father, a medico rather than a 
professor and anything but doddery, in the 1940s when a Japanese invasion 
seemed likely he put a significant amount of emergency cash into a book in our 
library which was very extensive - yes, after the excitement had passed he 
forgot which book!  
I had myself already tried your solution below with a similar result.  
I will now take the easy way out and:-
1. Empty the signatures folder on the MBAir
2. Take text copies of the needed signatures from “Sent” emails on the 
iMac
3. As if adding new signatures, paste in the copies on the MacAir
That should fix it!  it may even be how I did it before!
Thanks for bearing with me
Severin

> On 7 Feb 2016, at 9:47 AM, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Severin,
> 
> Going back to your original post to WAMUG mailing list.
> /quote
> "I know I brought the signatures across from the iMac when first setting up 
> the Air but have no recollection how I did it!”
> /end quote
> Don’t Professors keep notes ;-)
> 
> I don’t know how you transferred all your Data over from the iMac to the 
> MacBook Air, but I’m assuming that when you transferred Mail you also 
> transferred Keychain Data across.
> 
> Ok - On the iMac is Mail working all correctly and the signatures are 
> attached to their correct accounts?
> On the MacBook Air Mail accounts are now all working correctly but signatures 
> are not showing?
> If this is so, I would suggest you try:
> 
> On the iMac and MacBook Air 
> 1.  Make sure Mail is QUIT
> 2. Turn OFF Time Machine
> 3. Then copy the 'Signatures Folder' located at  
> ~/Library/Mail/V3/MailData/Signatures Folder
> from the iMac 
> 4. Then place the Signatures folder in the same location  
> ~/Library/Mail/V3/MailData/Signatures Folder
> on the MacBook Air (replacing the original Signatures folder) 
> 5.Then launch Mail on the MacBook Air
> 
> Provided that you have the same accounts set up on the MacBook Air as you do 
> on the iMac, your signatures should be attached to their correct accounts.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
>> On 6 Feb 2016, at 9:30 PM, Severin Crisp > > wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, they are all there
>> 
>>> On 6 Feb 2016, at 6:11 PM, Ronni Brown >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> But are any Signatures in the Signatures Folder located at
>>> ~/Library/Mail/V3//MailData/Signatures Folder ?
>>> 
>>> There should be many files in that Signature Folder - similar to these:
>>> 
>>> 661CF5F7-82D5-4525-8FD2-6C9D9A556A50.mailsignature
>>> 661CF5F7-82D5-4525-8FD2-6C9D9A556A50.webarchive
>>> 662D600C-ADCC-4EE6-B53B-D4F5BCB99E9A.mailsignature
>>> 662D600C-ADCC-4EE6-B53B-D4F5BCB99E9A.webarchive
>>> 92164E81-10BA-40B2-AE4B-23327320A7B1.mailsignature
>>> 92164E81-10BA-40B2-AE4B-23327320A7B1.webarchive
>>> 
>>> and 
>>> AccountsMap.plist
>>> AllSignatures.plist
>>> ——
>>> If there aren’t any of files there - you don’t have any signatures - and 
>>> will need to setup new signatures and then Assign each new signature to one 
>>> account, or to multiple accounts and configure their behaviour, as I 
>>> explained in my previous reply to WAMUG.
>>> 
>>> If you require details how to setup new signatures, post back & I’ll give 
>>> you details.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
 On 6 Feb 2016, at 5:15 PM, Severin Crisp >>> > wrote:
 
 No I am not seeing any signatures at all in the Prefs window.   The item 
 Signatures even says “0 signatures” in the Signatures window and the 
 second and third windows are blank.  
 Accounts Map.plist, AllSignatures.plist and SignaturesByAccout.plist are 
 all showing.
 Severin
   
> 
> 
>> On 5 Feb 2016, at 5:35 PM, Severin Crisp > > wrote:
>> 
>> By an unfortunate error, I alone am to blame!, the signatures file on my 
>> MacBook Air Mail is empty. 
>> It mirrored the file in my iMac, both running latest el Capitan.  
>> Restoring the Signatures file (in  ~sev/library/mail/V3/maildata  from 
>> TimeMachine  works fine but still no signatures.  
>> I know I brought the signatures across from the iMac when first setting 
>> up the Air but have no recollection how I did it!
>> Advice welcomed - it’s too hot for these traumas, my local Albany garden 
>> temperature topped an unusual 30C today - what is it all coming to!  
>> Severin Crisp
> 
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