Re: New Macbook Pros?

[Bill Parker]

Like Daniel, I have been using Macintosh computers or various sorts for a very 
long time. I have just bought a new  MacBook Air 13” and for the first time I 
have an SD card slot.  What a change from all previous Mac Books etc.  
Something that is REALLY useful is now a quick swap from the camera to the Air. 
 

It is hard to know what drives the marketing department at Apple Central but 
they clearly ignore the “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” axiom. The one thing 
they do not do (at least not obviously) is survey their dedicated users.

Hands up anyone who is in favour of losing weight in favour of a box of 
dongles.  

This new MacAir of mine is light enough and will not set me up for overzealous 
ground staff at airports re-weighing my carry-on bag and demanding it go the 
cargo hold “for safety”.

The submit that the weight thing is a designer fetish.

Bill





> On 31 Oct 2016, at 06:10, Susan Hastings  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, I have had a chance to sort of live with USB-c using the first 12" 
> MacBook which was going fairly cheaply for the base model when the new one 
> came out (Officeworks). I have three different dongles, which all work 
> without added power if you only use one external,drive, but need power pass 
> through if you want to have another drive or are using the SD card slot to 
> transfer images. I keep all my photos on external drives, so need two things 
> to work at once.
> 
> I took the MacBook on one caravan trip, but then took my 13" MacBook Pro the 
> next time we went away because of the built in card reader and USB. I found 
> the thought of getting out the MacBook and it's dongles, however small and 
> light, a bit of a pain. 
> 
> The 12" is lovely to carry about as even the power brick is tiny and light to 
> carry, but if I am processing lots of photos it's nice to go back to my 13". 
> I knew the 12" MacBook would not be powerful enough to replace the 13", so 
> always intended to keep both and recently upgraded the 13" with a 1tb SSD 
> drive, up from  a 128gig SSD that it came with. I have the old Apple display 
> that I e had for many years when I need a larger monitor.
> 
> The 13" will have to do me for at least a couple more years until USB-C is 
> more widely used.
> 
> Cheers, Susan
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 31 Oct. 2016, at 2:53 am, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
>> 
>> Just to weigh in on some of this.
>> I’m also looking to upgrade myself as well. (still using an upgraded MacBook 
>> Pro 15” (Late 2012). And I’ve been doing “the figures” to see how it all 
>> works out also.
>> I was a little disappointed with the pricing myself as well, and the “loss” 
>> of ports also. Things which I find I still use on a fairly daily basis with 
>> my work. So having to have a stack of adapters myself to carry around is a a 
>> bit of a pain.
>> And I’m sure the price has increased a bit as well. (though I’m looking at 
>> the top model with 1TB drive and the 4GB graphics.).
>> I was comparing this to the price for the “just superseded” model. And there 
>> really isn’t that much difference in it between the old one and the new (bar 
>> the adapters of course). So have been weighing up which may be the better 
>> option there. (and looking at the budget of course,….lol).
>> 
>> In regards to the dongles.
>> Belkin are also bringing out a “dock” themselves as well - 
>> http://www.belkin.com/au/p/P-F4U095/
>> 
>> One of the other “adapters” I was also looking at is the following - 
>> https://www.hypershop.com/collections/usb-type-c/products/hyperdrive-usb-type-c-hub-with-4k-hdmi-support?variant=24737850502
>> The thing I like with this one is it doesn’t require a power supply and is 
>> at least slightly more portable (and smaller), so easier to throw in a bag.
>> 
>> In regards to the “upgrading later”, so far the only thing I’ve seen is for 
>> the 13” MacBook Pro without the Touch Bar, which has mentioned that the SSD 
>> can be possibly upgraded later (with a bit of fiddling around to get it). 
>> They haven’t so far said anything about the ones with Touch Bar as yet. (as 
>> they haven’t shipped, so can’t pull them apart as yet).
>> Given that most of those models use a type of PCI-E Flash Drive, I’d be 
>> surprised if it a) can be done and b) would cost an arm an a leg.
>> Same with the upgrade price. As the 2TB Flash Drve/SSD is still new, the 
>> pricing is still quite expensive. Certainly external drives in 2TB form are 
>> cheaper, however a) these are generally not SSD, they’re stock standard 
>> spinning drives, and b) even a normal “SSD” is different to a smaller PCI-E 
>> type Flash Storage. (as they’re a lot smaller then the normal SSD). Just 
>> something to compare, Just to weigh in on some of this.
>> I’m also looking to upgrade myself as well. (still using an upgraded MacBook 
>> Pro 15” (Late 2012). And I’ve been doing “the figures” to see how it all 
>> works out also.
>> I was a little disappointed 

Re: New Macbook Pros?

[Susan Hastings]

Hi all, I have had a chance to sort of live with USB-c using the first 12" 
MacBook which was going fairly cheaply for the base model when the new one came 
out (Officeworks). I have three different dongles, which all work without added 
power if you only use one external,drive, but need power pass through if you 
want to have another drive or are using the SD card slot to transfer images. I 
keep all my photos on external drives, so need two things to work at once.

I took the MacBook on one caravan trip, but then took my 13" MacBook Pro the 
next time we went away because of the built in card reader and USB. I found the 
thought of getting out the MacBook and it's dongles, however small and light, a 
bit of a pain. 

The 12" is lovely to carry about as even the power brick is tiny and light to 
carry, but if I am processing lots of photos it's nice to go back to my 13". I 
knew the 12" MacBook would not be powerful enough to replace the 13", so always 
intended to keep both and recently upgraded the 13" with a 1tb SSD drive, up 
from  a 128gig SSD that it came with. I have the old Apple display that I e had 
for many years when I need a larger monitor.

The 13" will have to do me for at least a couple more years until USB-C is more 
widely used.

Cheers, Susan



Sent from my iPad

> On 31 Oct. 2016, at 2:53 am, Daniel Kerr  wrote:
> 
> Just to weigh in on some of this.
> I’m also looking to upgrade myself as well. (still using an upgraded MacBook 
> Pro 15” (Late 2012). And I’ve been doing “the figures” to see how it all 
> works out also.
> I was a little disappointed with the pricing myself as well, and the “loss” 
> of ports also. Things which I find I still use on a fairly daily basis with 
> my work. So having to have a stack of adapters myself to carry around is a a 
> bit of a pain.
> And I’m sure the price has increased a bit as well. (though I’m looking at 
> the top model with 1TB drive and the 4GB graphics.).
> I was comparing this to the price for the “just superseded” model. And there 
> really isn’t that much difference in it between the old one and the new (bar 
> the adapters of course). So have been weighing up which may be the better 
> option there. (and looking at the budget of course,….lol).
> 
> In regards to the dongles.
> Belkin are also bringing out a “dock” themselves as well - 
> http://www.belkin.com/au/p/P-F4U095/
> 
> One of the other “adapters” I was also looking at is the following - 
> https://www.hypershop.com/collections/usb-type-c/products/hyperdrive-usb-type-c-hub-with-4k-hdmi-support?variant=24737850502
> The thing I like with this one is it doesn’t require a power supply and is at 
> least slightly more portable (and smaller), so easier to throw in a bag.
> 
> In regards to the “upgrading later”, so far the only thing I’ve seen is for 
> the 13” MacBook Pro without the Touch Bar, which has mentioned that the SSD 
> can be possibly upgraded later (with a bit of fiddling around to get it). 
> They haven’t so far said anything about the ones with Touch Bar as yet. (as 
> they haven’t shipped, so can’t pull them apart as yet).
> Given that most of those models use a type of PCI-E Flash Drive, I’d be 
> surprised if it a) can be done and b) would cost an arm an a leg.
> Same with the upgrade price. As the 2TB Flash Drve/SSD is still new, the 
> pricing is still quite expensive. Certainly external drives in 2TB form are 
> cheaper, however a) these are generally not SSD, they’re stock standard 
> spinning drives, and b) even a normal “SSD” is different to a smaller PCI-E 
> type Flash Storage. (as they’re a lot smaller then the normal SSD). Just 
> something to compare, Just to weigh in on some of this.
> I’m also looking to upgrade myself as well. (still using an upgraded MacBook 
> Pro 15” (Late 2012). And I’ve been doing “the figures” to see how it all 
> works out also.
> I was a little disappointed with the pricing myself as well, and the “loss” 
> of ports also. Things which I find I still use on a fairly daily basis with 
> my work. So having to have a stack of adapters myself to carry around is a a 
> bit of a pain.
> And I’m sure the price has increased a bit as well. (though I’m looking at 
> the top model with 1TB drive and the 4GB graphics.).
> I was comparing this to the price for the “just superseded” model. And there 
> really isn’t that much difference in it between the old one and the new (bar 
> the adapters of course). So have been weighing up which may be the better 
> option there. (and looking at the budget of course,….lol).
> 
> In regards to the dongles.
> Belkin are also bringing out a “dock” themselves as well - 
> http://www.belkin.com/au/p/P-F4U095/
> 
> One of the other “adapters” I was also looking at is the following - 
> https://www.hypershop.com/collections/usb-type-c/products/hyperdrive-usb-type-c-hub-with-4k-hdmi-support?variant=24737850502
> The thing I like with this one is it doesn’t require a power supply 

Re: New Macbook Pros?

[Daniel Kerr]

Just to weigh in on some of this.
I’m also looking to upgrade myself as well. (still using an upgraded MacBook 
Pro 15” (Late 2012). And I’ve been doing “the figures” to see how it all works 
out also.
I was a little disappointed with the pricing myself as well, and the “loss” of 
ports also. Things which I find I still use on a fairly daily basis with my 
work. So having to have a stack of adapters myself to carry around is a a bit 
of a pain.
And I’m sure the price has increased a bit as well. (though I’m looking at the 
top model with 1TB drive and the 4GB graphics.).
I was comparing this to the price for the “just superseded” model. And there 
really isn’t that much difference in it between the old one and the new (bar 
the adapters of course). So have been weighing up which may be the better 
option there. (and looking at the budget of course,….lol).

In regards to the dongles.
Belkin are also bringing out a “dock” themselves as well - 
http://www.belkin.com/au/p/P-F4U095/

One of the other “adapters” I was also looking at is the following - 
https://www.hypershop.com/collections/usb-type-c/products/hyperdrive-usb-type-c-hub-with-4k-hdmi-support?variant=24737850502
The thing I like with this one is it doesn’t require a power supply and is at 
least slightly more portable (and smaller), so easier to throw in a bag.

In regards to the “upgrading later”, so far the only thing I’ve seen is for the 
13” MacBook Pro without the Touch Bar, which has mentioned that the SSD can be 
possibly upgraded later (with a bit of fiddling around to get it). They haven’t 
so far said anything about the ones with Touch Bar as yet. (as they haven’t 
shipped, so can’t pull them apart as yet).
Given that most of those models use a type of PCI-E Flash Drive, I’d be 
surprised if it a) can be done and b) would cost an arm an a leg.
Same with the upgrade price. As the 2TB Flash Drve/SSD is still new, the 
pricing is still quite expensive. Certainly external drives in 2TB form are 
cheaper, however a) these are generally not SSD, they’re stock standard 
spinning drives, and b) even a normal “SSD” is different to a smaller PCI-E 
type Flash Storage. (as they’re a lot smaller then the normal SSD). Just 
something to compare, as you can’t really match a normal spinning drive against 
something like an SSD etc. 
(I’ve got an external 500GB SSD in a thunderbolt case and it walks all over my 
standard USB3 1TB “normal hard drive" external drive. Read and Write speeds are 
a HUGE difference between the two). So with an internal PCI-E Flash Storage, 
this would also be a difference to a $200 external 2TB drive I would imagine. 
(I could be wrong Rob as I don’t know the type of drive you have, but given the 
prices I’ve seen around, I’d be surprised if it was SSD etc).
But yes, I find the Apple upgrade price on those (even given the technology), 
is a little high.

I certainly like some of the new things in the new laptops, but I’m finding it 
difficult to be “positive” about some of the changes too. (my personal opinion 
anyway).
Given how Apple always used to push the “tidiness” of the Mac. (remember the 
Apple ad showing the PC with all the millions of cords then the camera pans 
over to the “bubble iMac” with it’s power cable and USB keyboard and mouse” and 
how they showed how loverly and tidy it all was), where as now, we’re all about 
external and dongles and cables etc etc etc.
And like some of the comments I’ve read say - you can’t even go in and buy a 
brand new iPhone 7 and a brand new MacBook Pro 15” and connect the two straight 
out of the box. You’ve got to add a dongle to the order to make the two talk to 
each other! (Yet you can get an iPhone 7 and plug it straight into a Microsoft 
Surface Tablet).
Yes, I know I can use Wi-Fi sync between the laptop and iPhone, but if I want 
to sync and charge the phone at the same time,..sorry, dongle time.
After reading over 20 pages of forum posts, there hasn’t been a lot of positive 
mentioned……
And I know Apple loving looking into the future, but I personally would have 
liked this “Revision 1” new MacBook Pro to perhaps kept the MagSafe charger, 
Thunderbolt3/USB-C, USB3 port and perhaps even an SD Card slot (to add in an 
extra 256GB storage SD if you wanted).
As that was also a big push with Apple. Hey, …..this great MagSafe adapter. If 
someone trips of your cable,…no problem! The power cable just comes off, and 
the laptop stays where it is. I don’t think the same can be said for the new 
USB-C Charger,….(I could be wrong).
I’m sure as more cables and things come out USB-C will be more common place, 
and then things will be better to connect. I just think it’s a little earlier 
for some of them.
And most people would much prefer a slightly larger in size laptop with more 
“Features” or things added. At what point do we really need to drop a few more 
millimetres off the size of the laptop. Can’t be we have features and 
performance over “light weight, smaller size”.

I love 

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G’day all WAMUGERS

Well it’s getting ever closer to that special day that comes around this time 
of year. Yes, that’s right, WAMUG’s November monthly meeting is on this Tuesday 
the 1st of November 2016.

Ohh, and isn’t there a horse race or something on that day too?

You might be especially interested in this meeting if you’ve got a lot of old 
files tucked away on your computer or on drives gathering dust because you can 
no longer read them. We’ll be looking at an open source office suite called 
Libre Office. It can open and read some old, old files and then you can save 
them again into a modern format.

So grab your Macs, iPhones and iPads and head on over to Willeton. It’s not 
that far off the freeway you know.

Coffee, tea and biscuits supplied.


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[Rob Phillips]

Re dongles. A colleague suggested:

i’m using a caldigit thunderbolt2 box & that gives me

audio stereo in/out 1x
usb 3x
e-sata  2x
cat5 / rj45 / lan 1x
hdmi1x

that means 1box & power pack you have to lug around…..

But still - $1920 for an internal 2TB drive upgrade is ridiculous. I bought an 
external one for $200 last year. I'll investigate more before I buy...


On 30/10/2016 10:18 pm, Brian Risbey wrote:

Hello Ronni, Susan and Rob,
I will be getting one of these MacBookPro 15”. As I mentioned, $6k is 
expensive but that has been the same price of the top specced models 
for the last 20 years when I purchased my last 3 Apple laptops, 
starting with a PowerBook 5300, a MacBookPro 15”, then my current 17”. 
I see that as becoming ‘cheaper’, factoring in inflation. I get 6 to 8 
years out of the machines, which are used daily at work or at home.
I will wait until the new year, when demand settles and I start back 
to work. I think maxing out a machine speed is good idea and it 
appears that ,in some initial reports, they may be upgradeable in the 
SSD storage area but not RAM, after purchase. A few choice dongles to 
connect to VGA overhead projectors and off I go. (Hope they exist!)


Brian


On 30 Oct 2016, at 21:39, Ronda Brown > wrote:


Hi Rob, Susan and Brian,

The new MacBook Pros with two Thunderbolt 3 ports on each side, all 
four of which can be used for charging and expansion. (And no, it 
won’t charge faster if you plug in two chargers; it just picks one.)


Thunderbolt 3, which provides throughput up to 40 Gbps, uses the same 
connector as USB-C and supports DisplayPort (and thus HDMI and VGA, 
plus Thunderbolt 2, via adapters) and USB 3.1 Gen 2, which runs at 10 
Gbps and is backward compatible with older USB devices.

These new machines can drive two 5K displays or four 4K displays.
That’s impressive.

Cheers,
Ronni
Sent from Ronni's iPad4


On 30 Oct. 2016, at 6:04 pm, Rob Phillips > wrote:



He doesn't hold back, does he?  :-\

Rob

On 30/10/2016 7:30 am, Susan Hastings wrote:
Hi Rob, you might like to read Mike Johnson's comments on the new 
MacBook Pros. It's the second article down on his blog page. That 
is, if you are interested in someone who shares your dismay at 
Apple's choices...


http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/blog_index.html

Sent from my iPad

On 28 Oct. 2016, at 9:18 pm, Brian RISBEY > wrote:



Hi Rob
I did exactly the same sums this morning, $6k+ but then I 
considered external SSD hard drives and speed of connection ports 
and maybe just 1Tb internal drive might do.

My PowerBook 5300 cost $5k in the early 90s :-)
Over the years all my maxed out MacBooks 15" & 17" have been close 
to $6k. So, they are in fact becoming cheaper, relatively speaking. 
The last, a 17", now 8 years old, is still humming along.
I don't know how upgradable this new one will be. Has ifixit torn 
one down yet? Maxing a special build maybe your only option if you 
don't want an external drive.

My 2c worth, (& the other $6499.98)
Brian Risbey



On 28 Oct. 2016, at 18:57, Rob Phillips > wrote:


Hi everyone

I've just been looking at the new Macbook Pro. It looks pretty 
cool, but what about the price?


The top of range machine costs A$4,249.00 for 512Gb storage. I've 
got 400Gb of photos!


And then they want  A$1,920.00 to upgrade to a 2TB SSD drive...

This is up to the price level that the first Mac IIs were in the 
late 1980s...


And then there's nothing in the box to connect my existing devices 
to.  I've got to buy all sorts of adaptors (from $30 to $110) to 
keep working...


Are Apple going to price themselves out of the market?

Do I have to carry around al sorts of cables and 3rd party devices 
to use my computer as I move around?


Any ideas about how to resolve the issue?

Rob

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[Brian Risbey]

Hello Ronni, Susan and Rob,
I will be getting one of these MacBookPro 15”. As I mentioned, $6k is expensive 
but that has been the same price of the top specced models for the last 20 
years when I purchased my last 3 Apple laptops, starting with a PowerBook 5300, 
a MacBookPro 15”, then my current 17”. I see that as becoming ‘cheaper’, 
factoring in inflation. I get 6 to 8 years out of the machines, which are used 
daily at work or at home.
I will wait until the new year, when demand settles and I start back to work. I 
think maxing out a machine speed is good idea and it appears that ,in some 
initial reports, they may be upgradeable in the SSD storage area but not RAM, 
after purchase. A few choice dongles to connect to VGA overhead projectors and 
off I go. (Hope they exist!)

Brian 


On 30 Oct 2016, at 21:39, Ronda Brown  wrote:

Hi Rob, Susan and Brian,

The new MacBook Pros with two Thunderbolt 3 ports on each side, all four of 
which can be used for charging and expansion. (And no, it won’t charge faster 
if you plug in two chargers; it just picks one.)

Thunderbolt 3, which provides throughput up to 40 Gbps, uses the same connector 
as USB-C and supports DisplayPort (and thus HDMI and VGA, plus Thunderbolt 2, 
via adapters) and USB 3.1 Gen 2, which runs at 10 Gbps and is backward 
compatible with older USB devices. 
These new machines can drive two 5K displays or four 4K displays. 
That’s impressive.

Cheers,
Ronni
Sent from Ronni's iPad4


On 30 Oct. 2016, at 6:04 pm, Rob Phillips > wrote:

> He doesn't hold back, does he?  :-\
> 
> Rob
> 
> On 30/10/2016 7:30 am, Susan Hastings wrote:
>> Hi Rob, you might like to read Mike Johnson's comments on the new MacBook 
>> Pros. It's the second article down on his blog page. That is, if you are 
>> interested in someone who shares your dismay at Apple's choices...
>> 
>> http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/blog_index.html
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On 28 Oct. 2016, at 9:18 pm, Brian RISBEY > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Rob
>>> I did exactly the same sums this morning, $6k+ but then I considered 
>>> external SSD hard drives and speed of connection ports and maybe just 1Tb 
>>> internal drive might do.
>>> My PowerBook 5300 cost $5k in the early 90s :-)
>>> Over the years all my maxed out MacBooks 15" & 17" have been close to $6k. 
>>> So, they are in fact becoming cheaper, relatively speaking. The last, a 
>>> 17", now 8 years old, is still humming along.
>>> I don't know how upgradable this new one will be. Has ifixit torn one down 
>>> yet? Maxing a special build maybe your only option if you don't want an 
>>> external drive.
>>> My 2c worth, (& the other $6499.98)
>>> Brian Risbey 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 28 Oct. 2016, at 18:57, Rob Phillips >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone
>>> 
>>> I've just been looking at the new Macbook Pro. It looks pretty cool, but 
>>> what about the price?
>>> 
>>> The top of range machine costs A$4,249.00 for 512Gb storage. I've got 400Gb 
>>> of photos!
>>> 
>>> And then they want  A$1,920.00 to upgrade to a 2TB SSD drive...
>>> 
>>> This is up to the price level that the first Mac IIs were in the late 
>>> 1980s...
>>> 
>>> And then there's nothing in the box to connect my existing devices to.  
>>> I've got to buy all sorts of adaptors (from $30 to $110) to keep working...
>>> 
>>> Are Apple going to price themselves out of the market?
>>> 
>>> Do I have to carry around al sorts of cables and 3rd party devices to use 
>>> my computer as I move around?
>>> 
>>> Any ideas about how to resolve the issue?
>>> 
>>> Rob
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Dr Rob Phillips
>>> Sessional tutor
>>> School of Education, Curtin University
>>> rob.phill...@curtin.edu.au 
>>> Life member, Australasian Society for Computers in Learning in Tertiary 
>>> Education
>>> Fellow, Higher Education Research and Development Society of Australasia>
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Hi Rob, Susan and Brian,

The new MacBook Pros with two Thunderbolt 3 ports on each side, all four of 
which can be used for charging and expansion. (And no, it won’t charge faster 
if you plug in two chargers; it just picks one.)

Thunderbolt 3, which provides throughput up to 40 Gbps, uses the same connector 
as USB-C and supports DisplayPort (and thus HDMI and VGA, plus Thunderbolt 2, 
via adapters) and USB 3.1 Gen 2, which runs at 10 Gbps and is backward 
compatible with older USB devices. 
These new machines can drive two 5K displays or four 4K displays. 
That’s impressive.

Cheers,
Ronni
Sent from Ronni's iPad4


> On 30 Oct. 2016, at 6:04 pm, Rob Phillips  wrote:
> 
> He doesn't hold back, does he?  :-\
> 
> Rob
> 
>> On 30/10/2016 7:30 am, Susan Hastings wrote:
>> Hi Rob, you might like to read Mike Johnson's comments on the new MacBook 
>> Pros. It's the second article down on his blog page. That is, if you are 
>> interested in someone who shares your dismay at Apple's choices...
>> 
>> http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/blog_index.html
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On 28 Oct. 2016, at 9:18 pm, Brian RISBEY  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Rob
>>> I did exactly the same sums this morning, $6k+ but then I considered 
>>> external SSD hard drives and speed of connection ports and maybe just 1Tb 
>>> internal drive might do.
>>> My PowerBook 5300 cost $5k in the early 90s :-)
>>> Over the years all my maxed out MacBooks 15" & 17" have been close to $6k. 
>>> So, they are in fact becoming cheaper, relatively speaking. The last, a 
>>> 17", now 8 years old, is still humming along.
>>> I don't know how upgradable this new one will be. Has ifixit torn one down 
>>> yet? Maxing a special build maybe your only option if you don't want an 
>>> external drive.
>>> My 2c worth, (& the other $6499.98)
>>> Brian Risbey 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 28 Oct. 2016, at 18:57, Rob Phillips  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone
>>> 
>>> I've just been looking at the new Macbook Pro. It looks pretty cool, but 
>>> what about the price?
>>> 
>>> The top of range machine costs A$4,249.00 for 512Gb storage. I've got 400Gb 
>>> of photos!
>>> 
>>> And then they want  A$1,920.00 to upgrade to a 2TB SSD drive...
>>> 
>>> This is up to the price level that the first Mac IIs were in the late 
>>> 1980s...
>>> 
>>> And then there's nothing in the box to connect my existing devices to.  
>>> I've got to buy all sorts of adaptors (from $30 to $110) to keep working...
>>> 
>>> Are Apple going to price themselves out of the market?
>>> 
>>> Do I have to carry around al sorts of cables and 3rd party devices to use 
>>> my computer as I move around?
>>> 
>>> Any ideas about how to resolve the issue?
>>> 
>>> Rob
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Dr Rob Phillips
>>> Sessional tutor
>>> School of Education, Curtin University
>>> rob.phill...@curtin.edu.au
>>> Life member, Australasian Society for Computers in Learning in Tertiary 
>>> Education
>>> Fellow, Higher Education Research and Development Society of Australasia>
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Re: New Macbook Pros?

[Rob Phillips]

He doesn't hold back, does he?  :-\

Rob

On 30/10/2016 7:30 am, Susan Hastings wrote:
Hi Rob, you might like to read Mike Johnson's comments on the new 
MacBook Pros. It's the second article down on his blog page. That is, 
if you are interested in someone who shares your dismay at Apple's 
choices...


http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/blog_index.html

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On 28 Oct. 2016, at 9:18 pm, Brian RISBEY > wrote:



Hi Rob
I did exactly the same sums this morning, $6k+ but then I considered 
external SSD hard drives and speed of connection ports and maybe just 
1Tb internal drive might do.

My PowerBook 5300 cost $5k in the early 90s :-)
Over the years all my maxed out MacBooks 15" & 17" have been close to 
$6k. So, they are in fact becoming cheaper, relatively speaking. The 
last, a 17", now 8 years old, is still humming along.
I don't know how upgradable this new one will be. Has ifixit torn one 
down yet? Maxing a special build maybe your only option if you don't 
want an external drive.

My 2c worth, (& the other $6499.98)
Brian Risbey



On 28 Oct. 2016, at 18:57, Rob Phillips > wrote:


Hi everyone

I've just been looking at the new Macbook Pro. It looks pretty cool, 
but what about the price?


The top of range machine costs A$4,249.00 for 512Gb storage. I've got 
400Gb of photos!


And then they want  A$1,920.00 to upgrade to a 2TB SSD drive...

This is up to the price level that the first Mac IIs were in the late 
1980s...


And then there's nothing in the box to connect my existing devices 
to.  I've got to buy all sorts of adaptors (from $30 to $110) to keep 
working...


Are Apple going to price themselves out of the market?

Do I have to carry around al sorts of cables and 3rd party devices to 
use my computer as I move around?


Any ideas about how to resolve the issue?

Rob

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Re: Photo's

[Peter Curtis]

Thanks Ronni
I’d already cancelled the delete and tried again, this time it came up with the 
fact Pictures can’t be deleted. It definitely didn’t do that the first time. 
I’m now transferring the contents from Time Machine one by one 
(apparently/hopefully successfully) although why Time Machine didn’t replace 
the contents of Pictures the first time, I don’t know!
Hopefully all will be well.
Kind regards
Peter
> On 30 Oct. 2016, at 3:42 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hello Peter,
> 
> The issue is that “Pictures” is a System name like Documents, Music etc. you 
> can ‘move the contents’, but the Folder will not move.
> Those Folders are protected by the System and can't simply be deleted. 
> ACL (Access Control list) entry onto the Default Folders in the Home folder. 
> All it does is deny you the ability to trash those Default Folders should you 
> wish.
> 
>> On 30 Oct. 2016, at 11:51 am, Peter Curtis  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone
>> I seem to have a problem with deleting my Pictures folder with iPhoto & 
>> Photo’s and Photo Booth Library in it.
>> It started when I imported about 400 photo’s of a recent trip to Photo’s, 
>> they had been previously sorted but when I imported them they became 
>> unsorted. I started to resort them but it was taking forever so I decided 
>> I’d use Time Machine to replace the Photo’s library (I’d just previously 
>> deleted the iPhoto’s library as I don’t use iPhoto any more)
>> I went into Time Machine and got it to replace the Photo’s library, after a 
>> considerable time it told me it couldn’t complete the replacement (for some 
>> reason I didn’t record) so I thought OK I’ll use my Super Duper backup 
>> (which had been done the day before) to replace the complete Pictures file. 
>> So I trashed the Pictures folder and it said it was starting to do so, then 
>> said “Moving “Pictures” to “Trash" and has kept that sign up for the last 14 
>> hours. The Pictures folder only contains the Photo Booth Library (8 bytes) 
>> since the Time Machine rejection, but the Pictures folder is 6.47 GB so 
>> obviously when Time Machine stuffed up something else happened.
>> Shouldn’t the Pictures folder be trashed by now? or do I just have to wait?
>> Or can anyone suggest what else should I do?
>> Kind regards
>> Peter
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
> 
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Re: Photo's

[Ronni Brown]

Hello Peter,

The issue is that “Pictures” is a System name like Documents, Music etc. you 
can ‘move the contents’, but the Folder will not move.
Those Folders are protected by the System and can't simply be deleted. 
ACL (Access Control list) entry onto the Default Folders in the Home folder. 
All it does is deny you the ability to trash those Default Folders should you 
wish.

> On 30 Oct. 2016, at 11:51 am, Peter Curtis  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone
> I seem to have a problem with deleting my Pictures folder with iPhoto & 
> Photo’s and Photo Booth Library in it.
> It started when I imported about 400 photo’s of a recent trip to Photo’s, 
> they had been previously sorted but when I imported them they became 
> unsorted. I started to resort them but it was taking forever so I decided I’d 
> use Time Machine to replace the Photo’s library (I’d just previously deleted 
> the iPhoto’s library as I don’t use iPhoto any more)
> I went into Time Machine and got it to replace the Photo’s library, after a 
> considerable time it told me it couldn’t complete the replacement (for some 
> reason I didn’t record) so I thought OK I’ll use my Super Duper backup (which 
> had been done the day before) to replace the complete Pictures file. So I 
> trashed the Pictures folder and it said it was starting to do so, then said 
> “Moving “Pictures” to “Trash" and has kept that sign up for the last 14 
> hours. The Pictures folder only contains the Photo Booth Library (8 bytes) 
> since the Time Machine rejection, but the Pictures folder is 6.47 GB so 
> obviously when Time Machine stuffed up something else happened.
> Shouldn’t the Pictures folder be trashed by now? or do I just have to wait?
> Or can anyone suggest what else should I do?
> Kind regards
> Peter

Cheers,
Ronni

13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage

macOS Sierra 10.12.1

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Re: New Macbook Pros?

[Michael Hawkins]

In my irritated opinion the changes to the iOS are bad enough.

Michael

Sent from my iPhone

> On 30 Oct. 2016, at 12:30 pm, Susan Hastings  wrote:
> 
> Hi Rob, you might like to read Mike Johnson's comments on the new MacBook 
> Pros. It's the second article down on his blog page. That is, if you are 
> interested in someone who shares your dismay at Apple's choices...
> 
> http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/blog_index.html
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 28 Oct. 2016, at 9:18 pm, Brian RISBEY  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Rob
>> I did exactly the same sums this morning, $6k+ but then I considered 
>> external SSD hard drives and speed of connection ports and maybe just 1Tb 
>> internal drive might do.
>> My PowerBook 5300 cost $5k in the early 90s :-)
>> Over the years all my maxed out MacBooks 15" & 17" have been close to $6k. 
>> So, they are in fact becoming cheaper, relatively speaking. The last, a 17", 
>> now 8 years old, is still humming along.
>> I don't know how upgradable this new one will be. Has ifixit torn one down 
>> yet? Maxing a special build maybe your only option if you don't want an 
>> external drive.
>> My 2c worth, (& the other $6499.98)
>> Brian Risbey 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 28 Oct. 2016, at 18:57, Rob Phillips  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone
>> 
>> I've just been looking at the new Macbook Pro. It looks pretty cool, but 
>> what about the price?
>> 
>> The top of range machine costs A$4,249.00 for 512Gb storage. I've got 400Gb 
>> of photos!
>> 
>> And then they want  A$1,920.00 to upgrade to a 2TB SSD drive...
>> 
>> This is up to the price level that the first Mac IIs were in the late 
>> 1980s...
>> 
>> And then there's nothing in the box to connect my existing devices to.  I've 
>> got to buy all sorts of adaptors (from $30 to $110) to keep working...
>> 
>> Are Apple going to price themselves out of the market?
>> 
>> Do I have to carry around al sorts of cables and 3rd party devices to use my 
>> computer as I move around?
>> 
>> Any ideas about how to resolve the issue?
>> 
>> Rob
>> 
>> -- 
>> Dr Rob Phillips
>> Sessional tutor
>> School of Education, Curtin University
>> rob.phill...@curtin.edu.au
>> Life member, Australasian Society for Computers in Learning in Tertiary 
>> Education
>> Fellow, Higher Education Research and Development Society of Australasia
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