Re: Apple Mail - Migration from 10.4 - 10.6

[Ronda Brown]

On 28/11/2009, at 4:26 PM, David Moyle wrote:

> 
> Quick query as well, you mentioned that Apple Mail in 10.6 uses a different 
> mail storage standard? Is this mbox as I saw you mentioned that in another 
> e-mail thread? So now they're using the same as Mozilla Thunderbird from 
> memory and similar to Eudora from the 90s.
> 
> Appreciate the info Ronni.

Hi David,

I'm not sure how to answer your "quick query" ...

When I mentioned "Importing Mail messages:The first time you launch Mail, a 
window prompts you to “upgrade” your existing email messages. This extra step, 
which Mail does not permit you to skip if you already have saved messages, 
should take no more than a few minutes, and is necessary because the Snow 
Leopard version of Mail uses a different database format to store information 
about your messages."

The "Structure" of the Mail Database is different in Snow Leopard's Mail 
version 4.x, to the Leopard Mail v3.x & Tiger Mail v2.x
Databases.

In regard to Apple Mail v4.2 in 10.6 using .mbox folder format.
In pre-Tiger versions, Mail stored its messages in standard .mbox files.
Then in Tiger Apple modified the way Mail stored its email messages 
individually as .emlx files (to enable Tiger's Spotlight to search them). 
Now Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) & 10.6 (Snow Leopard) use “.mbox” as the package 
suffix for the folders that hold email message files in ".emlx" format.

In Snow Leopard's Mail Database - Home > Library > Mail, there is a "Bundles 
(Disabled) folder). Whenever you launch Mail under Snow Leopard, it 
automatically disables all plug-ins that haven’t been explicitly updated for 
compatibility with Mac OS X 10.6 to eliminate potential conflicts.

Another thing I've noticed different from Leopard is in Mail 4.x is an 
Attachment folder in the INBOX.mbox folder of POP accounts,
In Mail 3.x, the Attachment folder was added for INBOX.imapmbox folders, but 
not POP mailboxes, until now in Mail 4.x. 

Also Mail.app in Snow Leopard is 64-bit.

Others on list can possibly answer your query and explain it better than I.


Cheers,
Ronni

17" MacBook Pro Intel Core 2 Duo
2.4 GHz / 4GB / 800MHz / 500GB
OS X 10.6.2 Snow Leopard
Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)



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Re: Apple Mail - Migration from 10.4 - 10.6

[David Moyle]

Afternoon,

My particular reason for not using the Migration Assistant is I want to control 
what information is transferred across, I don't want other preferences etc 
coming across. Especially as the iBook hasn't be re-installed ever. :O

Maybe my 'old' ways but I want to control what is done and its always how I've 
done it.

Quick query as well, you mentioned that Apple Mail in 10.6 uses a different 
mail storage standard? Is this mbox as I saw you mentioned that in another 
e-mail thread? So now they're using the same as Mozilla Thunderbird from memory 
and similar to Eudora from the 90s.

Appreciate the info Ronni.

Thanks,

David Moyle
Systems Technician
Apple, Windows, Cisco
--
Western Australia
Mb: 0427 888 257




On 28/11/2009, at 4:02 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> 
> Hi again David,
> 
> I just realised this is a brand new MacBook Pro (i.e. no User Account etc 
> setup yet).
> 
> In Snow Leopard Setup Assistant includes “migration technology,” which is a 
> fancy way of saying that it knows how to copy important files from another 
> computer or another volume in an intelligent way. Although Snow Leopard 
> includes a stand-alone application called Migration Assistant (in 
> /Applications/Utilities), you probably won’t need to use it because Apple has 
> integrated this tool’s capabilities (with a somewhat different interface) 
> into Setup Assistant itself.
> 
> This feature lets you transfer data from a bootable duplicate stored on 
> another volume.
> From another Mac: Files from another Mac on your network, or connected with a 
> FireWire cable.
> When you reach the screen in Setup Assistant that says “Do You Already Own a 
> Mac?” you’re looking at migration options.
> 
> I know you have said below that you don't wish to use Migration Assistant.
> That's a pity as Firewire Target Disk Mode & Migration Assistant is such an 
> easy way to transfer the Users Account, Network settings etc. 
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> On 28/11/2009, at 2:43 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> 
>> No David, I have only ever been to one WAMUG Meeting years ago when Daniel 
>> Kerr demonstrated my "IceBook".
>> 
>> Just remember you will be Migrating from a PowerPC to an Intel Machine.
>> 
>> NB: Upgrade any PPC apps to Universal versions (if they exist) before 
>> running anything.
>> 
>> 
>> A good guide by 'Kappy' worth reading can be found here: 
>> 
>> 
>> A Basic Guide for Migrating to Intel-Macs:
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> On 28/11/2009, at 2:32 PM, David Moyle wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Afternoon,
>>> 
>>> Perfect Ronni! Thats the exact information I was after. :)
>>> 
>>> Are you going to be at the meeting on Tuesday?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> David Moyle
>>> Systems Technician
>>> Apple, Windows, Cisco
>>> --
>>> Western Australia
>>> Mb: 0427 888 257
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 28/11/2009, at 2:08 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>>> 
 
 Hi David,
 
 Copy his mail folder under Home > Library > Mail and also the plist under 
 Home > Library > preferences - "com.apple.mail.plist"
 and place in the same positions on his new MacBook Pro.
 
 Importing Mail messages:The first time you launch Mail, a window prompts 
 you to “upgrade” your existing email messages.
 This extra step, which Mail does not permit you to skip if you already 
 have saved messages, should take no more than a few minutes, and is 
 necessary because the Snow Leopard version of Mail uses a different 
 database format to store information about your messages.
 
 Note that the iCal data is not the same structure and now stores your data 
 in /Users/yourname/Library/Calendars. 
 For this reason copy his iCal folder to the desktop of your Mac and use 
 Import in iCal.
 
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 17" MacBook Pro Intel Core 2 Duo
 2.4 GHz / 4GB / 800MHz / 500GB
 OS X 10.6.2 Snow Leopard
 Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
 
 
 On 28/11/2009, at 11:07 AM, David Moyle wrote:
 
> 
> Morning all,
> 
> I'm just chasing some advice from you all.
> 
> In a few days my housemate will be getting his new MacBook Pro 13" he 
> bought yesterday at Black Friday prices.
> He will be migrating from a G4 14" running 10.4.
> 
> What are the recommended solutions for migrating all of his Mail 
> settings/actions/folders?
> 
> I don't particularly want to use Migration Assistant from previous bad 
> experiences at work. Will Apple Mail 10.6 import if its connected as a 
> Firewire drive? Doh!. Just realised I'll need to grab a FW 400-800 cable 
> todo the transfer.
> 
> Any information is greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> David Moyle
> Systems Technician
> Apple, Windows, Cisco
> --
> Western Australia
> Mb: 0427 888 257
> 
> 
> 
> -- T

Re: Apple Mail - Migration from 10.4 - 10.6

[Ronda Brown]

Hi again David,

I just realised this is a brand new MacBook Pro (i.e. no User Account etc setup 
yet).

In Snow Leopard Setup Assistant includes “migration technology,” which is a 
fancy way of saying that it knows how to copy important files from another 
computer or another volume in an intelligent way. Although Snow Leopard 
includes a stand-alone application called Migration Assistant (in 
/Applications/Utilities), you probably won’t need to use it because Apple has 
integrated this tool’s capabilities (with a somewhat different interface) into 
Setup Assistant itself.

This feature lets you transfer data from a bootable duplicate stored on another 
volume.
From another Mac: Files from another Mac on your network, or connected with a 
FireWire cable.
When you reach the screen in Setup Assistant that says “Do You Already Own a 
Mac?” you’re looking at migration options.

I know you have said below that you don't wish to use Migration Assistant.
That's a pity as Firewire Target Disk Mode & Migration Assistant is such an 
easy way to transfer the Users Account, Network settings etc. 

Cheers,
Ronni

On 28/11/2009, at 2:43 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> 
> No David, I have only ever been to one WAMUG Meeting years ago when Daniel 
> Kerr demonstrated my "IceBook".
> 
> Just remember you will be Migrating from a PowerPC to an Intel Machine.
> 
> NB: Upgrade any PPC apps to Universal versions (if they exist) before running 
> anything.
> 
> 
> A good guide by 'Kappy' worth reading can be found here: 
> 
> 
> A Basic Guide for Migrating to Intel-Macs:
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> On 28/11/2009, at 2:32 PM, David Moyle wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Afternoon,
>> 
>> Perfect Ronni! Thats the exact information I was after. :)
>> 
>> Are you going to be at the meeting on Tuesday?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> David Moyle
>> Systems Technician
>> Apple, Windows, Cisco
>> --
>> Western Australia
>> Mb: 0427 888 257
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 28/11/2009, at 2:08 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi David,
>>> 
>>> Copy his mail folder under Home > Library > Mail and also the plist under 
>>> Home > Library > preferences - "com.apple.mail.plist"
>>> and place in the same positions on his new MacBook Pro.
>>> 
>>> Importing Mail messages:The first time you launch Mail, a window prompts 
>>> you to “upgrade” your existing email messages.
>>> This extra step, which Mail does not permit you to skip if you already have 
>>> saved messages, should take no more than a few minutes, and is necessary 
>>> because the Snow Leopard version of Mail uses a different database format 
>>> to store information about your messages.
>>> 
>>> Note that the iCal data is not the same structure and now stores your data 
>>> in /Users/yourname/Library/Calendars. 
>>> For this reason copy his iCal folder to the desktop of your Mac and use 
>>> Import in iCal.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>> 17" MacBook Pro Intel Core 2 Duo
>>> 2.4 GHz / 4GB / 800MHz / 500GB
>>> OS X 10.6.2 Snow Leopard
>>> Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 28/11/2009, at 11:07 AM, David Moyle wrote:
>>> 
 
 Morning all,
 
 I'm just chasing some advice from you all.
 
 In a few days my housemate will be getting his new MacBook Pro 13" he 
 bought yesterday at Black Friday prices.
 He will be migrating from a G4 14" running 10.4.
 
 What are the recommended solutions for migrating all of his Mail 
 settings/actions/folders?
 
 I don't particularly want to use Migration Assistant from previous bad 
 experiences at work. Will Apple Mail 10.6 import if its connected as a 
 Firewire drive? Doh!. Just realised I'll need to grab a FW 400-800 cable 
 todo the transfer.
 
 Any information is greatly appreciated.
 
 Thanks,
 
 David Moyle
 Systems Technician
 Apple, Windows, Cisco
 --
 Western Australia
 Mb: 0427 888 257



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Re: Apple Mail - Migration from 10.4 - 10.6

[Ronda Brown]

No David, I have only ever been to one WAMUG Meeting years ago when Daniel Kerr 
demonstrated my "IceBook".

Just remember you will be Migrating from a PowerPC to an Intel Machine.

NB: Upgrade any PPC apps to Universal versions (if they exist) before running 
anything.


A good guide by 'Kappy' worth reading can be found here: 


A Basic Guide for Migrating to Intel-Macs:

Cheers,
Ronni

On 28/11/2009, at 2:32 PM, David Moyle wrote:

> 
> Afternoon,
> 
> Perfect Ronni! Thats the exact information I was after. :)
> 
> Are you going to be at the meeting on Tuesday?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> David Moyle
> Systems Technician
> Apple, Windows, Cisco
> --
> Western Australia
> Mb: 0427 888 257
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 28/11/2009, at 2:08 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hi David,
>> 
>> Copy his mail folder under Home > Library > Mail and also the plist under 
>> Home > Library > preferences - "com.apple.mail.plist"
>> and place in the same positions on his new MacBook Pro.
>> 
>> Importing Mail messages:The first time you launch Mail, a window prompts you 
>> to “upgrade” your existing email messages.
>> This extra step, which Mail does not permit you to skip if you already have 
>> saved messages, should take no more than a few minutes, and is necessary 
>> because the Snow Leopard version of Mail uses a different database format to 
>> store information about your messages.
>> 
>> Note that the iCal data is not the same structure and now stores your data 
>> in /Users/yourname/Library/Calendars. 
>> For this reason copy his iCal folder to the desktop of your Mac and use 
>> Import in iCal.
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> 17" MacBook Pro Intel Core 2 Duo
>> 2.4 GHz / 4GB / 800MHz / 500GB
>> OS X 10.6.2 Snow Leopard
>> Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
>> 
>> 
>> On 28/11/2009, at 11:07 AM, David Moyle wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Morning all,
>>> 
>>> I'm just chasing some advice from you all.
>>> 
>>> In a few days my housemate will be getting his new MacBook Pro 13" he 
>>> bought yesterday at Black Friday prices.
>>> He will be migrating from a G4 14" running 10.4.
>>> 
>>> What are the recommended solutions for migrating all of his Mail 
>>> settings/actions/folders?
>>> 
>>> I don't particularly want to use Migration Assistant from previous bad 
>>> experiences at work. Will Apple Mail 10.6 import if its connected as a 
>>> Firewire drive? Doh!. Just realised I'll need to grab a FW 400-800 cable 
>>> todo the transfer.
>>> 
>>> Any information is greatly appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> David Moyle
>>> Systems Technician
>>> Apple, Windows, Cisco
>>> --
>>> Western Australia
>>> Mb: 0427 888 257
>> 



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Re: Apple Mail - Migration from 10.4 - 10.6

[David Moyle]

Afternoon,

Perfect Ronni! Thats the exact information I was after. :)

Are you going to be at the meeting on Tuesday?

Thanks,

David Moyle
Systems Technician
Apple, Windows, Cisco
--
Western Australia
Mb: 0427 888 257




On 28/11/2009, at 2:08 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> 
> Hi David,
> 
> Copy his mail folder under Home > Library > Mail and also the plist under 
> Home > Library > preferences - "com.apple.mail.plist"
> and place in the same positions on his new MacBook Pro.
> 
> Importing Mail messages:The first time you launch Mail, a window prompts you 
> to “upgrade” your existing email messages.
> This extra step, which Mail does not permit you to skip if you already have 
> saved messages, should take no more than a few minutes, and is necessary 
> because the Snow Leopard version of Mail uses a different database format to 
> store information about your messages.
> 
> Note that the iCal data is not the same structure and now stores your data in 
> /Users/yourname/Library/Calendars. 
> For this reason copy his iCal folder to the desktop of your Mac and use 
> Import in iCal.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> 17" MacBook Pro Intel Core 2 Duo
> 2.4 GHz / 4GB / 800MHz / 500GB
> OS X 10.6.2 Snow Leopard
> Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
> 
> 
> On 28/11/2009, at 11:07 AM, David Moyle wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Morning all,
>> 
>> I'm just chasing some advice from you all.
>> 
>> In a few days my housemate will be getting his new MacBook Pro 13" he bought 
>> yesterday at Black Friday prices.
>> He will be migrating from a G4 14" running 10.4.
>> 
>> What are the recommended solutions for migrating all of his Mail 
>> settings/actions/folders?
>> 
>> I don't particularly want to use Migration Assistant from previous bad 
>> experiences at work. Will Apple Mail 10.6 import if its connected as a 
>> Firewire drive? Doh!. Just realised I'll need to grab a FW 400-800 cable 
>> todo the transfer.
>> 
>> Any information is greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> David Moyle
>> Systems Technician
>> Apple, Windows, Cisco
>> --
>> Western Australia
>> Mb: 0427 888 257
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[Ronda Brown]

Hi David,

Copy his mail folder under Home > Library > Mail and also the plist under Home 
> Library > preferences - "com.apple.mail.plist"
and place in the same positions on his new MacBook Pro.
 
Importing Mail messages:The first time you launch Mail, a window prompts you to 
“upgrade” your existing email messages.
This extra step, which Mail does not permit you to skip if you already have 
saved messages, should take no more than a few minutes, and is necessary 
because the Snow Leopard version of Mail uses a different database format to 
store information about your messages.

Note that the iCal data is not the same structure and now stores your data in 
/Users/yourname/Library/Calendars. 
For this reason copy his iCal folder to the desktop of your Mac and use Import 
in iCal.


Cheers,
Ronni

17" MacBook Pro Intel Core 2 Duo
2.4 GHz / 4GB / 800MHz / 500GB
OS X 10.6.2 Snow Leopard
Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)


On 28/11/2009, at 11:07 AM, David Moyle wrote:

> 
> Morning all,
> 
> I'm just chasing some advice from you all.
> 
> In a few days my housemate will be getting his new MacBook Pro 13" he bought 
> yesterday at Black Friday prices.
> He will be migrating from a G4 14" running 10.4.
> 
> What are the recommended solutions for migrating all of his Mail 
> settings/actions/folders?
> 
> I don't particularly want to use Migration Assistant from previous bad 
> experiences at work. Will Apple Mail 10.6 import if its connected as a 
> Firewire drive? Doh!. Just realised I'll need to grab a FW 400-800 cable todo 
> the transfer.
> 
> Any information is greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> David Moyle
> Systems Technician
> Apple, Windows, Cisco
> --
> Western Australia
> Mb: 0427 888 257





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Apple Mail - Migration from 10.4 - 10.6

[David Moyle]

Morning all,

I'm just chasing some advice from you all.

In a few days my housemate will be getting his new MacBook Pro 13" he bought 
yesterday at Black Friday prices.
He will be migrating from a G4 14" running 10.4.

What are the recommended solutions for migrating all of his Mail 
settings/actions/folders?

I don't particularly want to use Migration Assistant from previous bad 
experiences at work. Will Apple Mail 10.6 import if its connected as a Firewire 
drive? Doh!. Just realised I'll need to grab a FW 400-800 cable todo the 
transfer.

Any information is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

David Moyle
Systems Technician
Apple, Windows, Cisco
--
Western Australia
Mb: 0427 888 257






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