Re: customs
The music capitalists have been using civil court processes for quite some time now to avoid having to prove guilt beyond all reasonable doubt but yeah it's probably still alot of hype that they are probably behind in the hopes that it will scare people off. Ruben I would have thought that its up to them to prove any illegality, or doesn't innocence until proven guilty count any more. Regards, Adrian [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.skehan.id.au/ On 28/07/2008, at 8:40 AM, Peter Hinchliffe wrote: On 27/07/2008, at 4:59 PM, Skehan Adrian wrote: I see in the paper this morning that there is a move afoot to empower customs officers to confiscate your iPod and or Laptop and destroy them if you have pirated music on them. How the hell do they imagine that they are going to be able to identify the origin of any music you have on them? Or, is this just the ramblings of another feeble mind somewhere in the bowls of the bureaucracy? Very simple! You simply make sure that you carefully record and make copies of all your iTunes receipts, together with all the receipts for all the music you have ever purchased on the CDs or vinyl disks you have bought over the past 30 years or so and might have copied to your iPod for your own personal enjoyment , and make sure you take them with you wherever you go - perhaps in your Passport wallet. What a ridiculous proposition!! -- Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer Perth, Western Australia Phone (618) 9332 6482Fax (618) 9332 0913 Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - [EMAIL PROTECTED]','','','')[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - [EMAIL PROTECTED]','','','')[EMAIL PROTECTED] ) -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Customs
All that being as it may, how do they think they can tell if you ripped any of it off? and are they going to be able to establish for a fact that one track amongst a couple of thousand you may have on your machine is suspect, also, If you choose to not give them an access password to your computer what then? Regards, Adrian [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.skehan.id.au/ On 27/07/2008, at 5:52 PM, Shay Telfer wrote: Mark Secker wrote: very good point... particularly when, I belive, our fair use laws don't yet cover ripping to your laptop/iPod your own, legally purchased, CD's and DVD's. can see this is going to be a real mess to try enforce... Actually format shifting is covered now thanks to the Copyright Amendment Act 2006 http://www.ag.gov.au/www/agd/agd.nsf/Page/Copyright_IssuesandReviews_CopyrightAmendmentAct2006-Factsheets Check out the Private copying of music PDF Have fun, Shay -- === Shay Telfer Perth, Western Australia Technomancer The love of liberty is the love Opinions for hire [POQ] of others; the love of power is http://newtonslore.com/fnord the love of ourselves - Hazlitt -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Customs
So what they are talking about may be this: http://www.ag.gov.au/www/agd/rwpattach.nsf/VAP/(CFD7369FCAE9B8F32F341DBE097801FF)~Copyright+Fact+Sheet+-+customs+seizure+of+imported+infringing+copies.pdf/$file/Copyright+Fact+Sheet+-+customs+seizure+of+imported+infringing+copies.pdf The 'easy' fact sheet looked to be double speak to me. Sounds like the copyright owner can pay to have Customs seize the goods, and if they don't pay then Customs don't seize the goods or require a 'security payment' to seize the goods (?) Linked from this page provided earlier: http://www.ag.gov.au/www/agd/agd.nsf/Page/Copyright_IssuesandReviews_CopyrightAmendmentAct2006-Factsheets Regards Paul On 27/07/2008, at 6:16 PM, Skehan Adrian wrote: All that being as it may, how do they think they can tell if you ripped any of it off? and are they going to be able to establish for a fact that one track amongst a couple of thousand you may have on your machine is suspect, also, If you choose to not give them an access password to your computer what then? Regards, Adrian [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.skehan.id.au/ On 27/07/2008, at 5:52 PM, Shay Telfer wrote: Mark Secker wrote: very good point... particularly when, I belive, our fair use laws don't yet cover ripping to your laptop/iPod your own, legally purchased, CD's and DVD's. can see this is going to be a real mess to try enforce... Actually format shifting is covered now thanks to the Copyright Amendment Act 2006 http://www.ag.gov.au/www/agd/agd.nsf/Page/Copyright_IssuesandReviews_CopyrightAmendmentAct2006-Factsheets Check out the Private copying of music PDF Have fun, Shay -- === Shay Telfer Perth, Western Australia Technomancer The love of liberty is the love Opinions for hire [POQ] of others; the love of power is http://newtonslore.com/fnord the love of ourselves - Hazlitt -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you Paul van der Mey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mob. 0419 201 477 -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: customs
On 27/07/2008, at 4:59 PM, Skehan Adrian wrote: I see in the paper this morning that there is a move afoot to empower customs officers to confiscate your iPod and or Laptop and destroy them if you have pirated music on them. How the hell do they imagine that they are going to be able to identify the origin of any music you have on them? Or, is this just the ramblings of another feeble mind somewhere in the bowls of the bureaucracy? Very simple! You simply make sure that you carefully record and make copies of all your iTunes receipts, together with all the receipts for all the music you have ever purchased on the CDs or vinyl disks you have bought over the past 30 years or so and might have copied to your iPod for your own personal enjoyment , and make sure you take them with you wherever you go - perhaps in your Passport wallet. What a ridiculous proposition!! -- Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer Perth, Western Australia Phone (618) 9332 6482Fax (618) 9332 0913 Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: customs
On 28/07/2008, at 8:40 AM, Peter Hinchliffe wrote: On 27/07/2008, at 4:59 PM, Skehan Adrian wrote: I see in the paper this morning that there is a move afoot to empower customs officers to confiscate your iPod and or Laptop and destroy them if you have pirated music on them. How the hell do they imagine that they are going to be able to identify the origin of any music you have on them? Or, is this just the ramblings of another feeble mind somewhere in the bowls of the bureaucracy? Very simple! You simply make sure that you carefully record and make copies of all your iTunes receipts, together with all the receipts for all the music you have ever purchased on the CDs or vinyl disks you have bought over the past 30 years or so and might have copied to your iPod for your own personal enjoyment , and make sure you take them with you wherever you go - perhaps in your Passport wallet. What a ridiculous proposition!! True : There is another way ! When you leave Australia you supply to customs a record of the electronic equipment complete with a list of all the software loaded on it/them . Already there is a suggestion that you document electronic gear you take out so that on your return there is NO question that you are importing the gear you took out . Bob -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: customs
I would have thought that its up to them to prove any illegality, or doesn't innocence until proven guilty count any more. Regards, Adrian [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.skehan.id.au/ On 28/07/2008, at 8:40 AM, Peter Hinchliffe wrote: On 27/07/2008, at 4:59 PM, Skehan Adrian wrote: I see in the paper this morning that there is a move afoot to empower customs officers to confiscate your iPod and or Laptop and destroy them if you have pirated music on them. How the hell do they imagine that they are going to be able to identify the origin of any music you have on them? Or, is this just the ramblings of another feeble mind somewhere in the bowls of the bureaucracy? Very simple! You simply make sure that you carefully record and make copies of all your iTunes receipts, together with all the receipts for all the music you have ever purchased on the CDs or vinyl disks you have bought over the past 30 years or so and might have copied to your iPod for your own personal enjoyment , and make sure you take them with you wherever you go - perhaps in your Passport wallet. What a ridiculous proposition!! -- Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer Perth, Western Australia Phone (618) 9332 6482Fax (618) 9332 0913 Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
