Re: Domain Name Registration / Web Hosting
Hi Carlo, ( I posted this to the list a while ago in response to another question regard hosting... It all pretty much still applies. ) I've been thinking about your request for a few days now try to work out how to best respond. I could easily give you a URL or two of various hosting companies (which I will do anyway at the end of this email) but I figured it would be better to tell you WHY one host is better than another. There are a few things that you need to take into account when choosing a web host, and they are; in no particular order... 1. We're not fancy, but we cheep! Beware of the host that is too cheap, for they will be running a massively oversubscribed network. They have to make up in numbers, what they lack in profit margin. This means that you could be sharing a single server with literally thousands of other web sites. Your site will be sloww. 2. It costs a fortune, it must be good. Just because something is expensive doesn't mean you are getting anything other than shafted. It just means the company in question has a particular interest in parting fools and their money. If a web hosts pricing is significantly more expensive for roughly the same advertised service, it usually means it's run by a board of directors that are still annoyed with Theodore for breaking up Standard Oil. 3. I take the money, you do the work. When you rent web space from a company, make sure they actually own and run the servers you are hosting on. A lot of web hosts out there are just resell other companies products. This makes troubleshooting a real pain as you need to go through a third party to fix a pesky script. It also means that there is someone in process taking money but not providing any value. Been there, done that. Won't do it again. 4. Everybody loves good neighbours. Look for local companies, that have local support. The last thing you want to have to do it wait until their time zone wakes up to lodge a support ticket. Keeping it local also means you can perhaps go and visit them. I have gotten many 'unsupported' things done by rocking up with a carton of beer/redbull on a Friday afternoon. Most local companies will go out of their way to help you. 5. Everybody loves good neighbours, part 2 (or... It's a long way to Tipperary) Look for local companies that have their servers on the same continent as your customers. I have the displeasure of of supporting a retail shop who insist on working with a local web design house that run their servers out of Texas! The shop wonders why their site loads so slowly... I had a few more points, but the email was staring to get a bit lengthy. Sort of like that old Uncle that never seems to get that he should have stopped talking about 10 minutes ago. With all that in mind, you will recall I said I would give you a URL to peruse. Well... here it is. http://www.webinabox.net.au Lets cover the points; 1. Reasonably priced to keep subscription ratios low and equipment quality high. 2. First born child not required as down-payment. 3. Their servers, their switches, their routers, their responsibility, their control. 4. WA boys born and bread. (Except one of them, but he's a bit weird anyway...) 5. All their primary gear is in WA. They do have backups overseas which is a good thing. I use them for all my clients hosting, and they also host the WAMUG web site and mailing list. Give them a call. (Shane, Trent or Andrew) -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Domain Name Registration / Web Hosting
Thanks Geoff for sharing that information. It's hard to refute the lessons of experience. Cheers, On 2010-11-28, at 11:34, Geoff and Kaye wrote: On 27/11/2010, at 11:15 AM, cm wrote: I am looking register a domain name and have the associated web site hosted. The site will be interactive and require an application server such as GlassFish to run JSF, or similar. Mac or Linux box would be preferred. Do you still think it a good idea to register with http://www.netregistry.com.au ? Or are there arguments to register a cheap .com domain name with http://www.namecheap.com ? I don't know if he is still active in the group, but Phillip McGree was recommending http://www.bottle.com.au Does anyone else have an opinion on them? Any advice or anecdotes about experiences would be greatly appreciated. We register quite a few domains on behalf of clients, and over the years have used a dozen or so registrars. With quite few we have had minor problems, but almost never significant enough to result in the domain not being set up correctly. Our current favoured registrar is Webcity - they are cheaper than most, they use Enetica (a long-established company) to do the actual registration, and their domain management interface is OK. Netregistry is a very well-established company but they can be VERY expensive, particularly for any related services. Hosting is a much more complex decision, and depends greatly on what you plan to do. Some of the USA based hosting companies give you enormous amounts of resources (lots of storage space, multiple sites, many email addresses, endless sub-domains, lots of applications, etc.) for a similar price to many local companies which offer very limited features (for example one web site, few email addresses and subdomains charged extra, etc.). However if you do not want multiple sites and the other stuff, a local company might be suitable. It seems to me that your first task is to ensure that GlassFish or whatever you need is available from any prospective hosting service - I am not familiar with it but many hosting services may not support it. Lots of hosting services offer a choice of Unix or Windows, Mac is much less common. Regards Geoff -- Geoff and Kaye k...@kgweb.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Domain Name Registration / Web Hosting
Thanks Matthew. Cheers, Carlo On 2010-11-28, at 17:03, Matthew Healey wrote: Hi Carlo, ( I posted this to the list a while ago in response to another question regard hosting... It all pretty much still applies. ) I've been thinking about your request for a few days now try to work out how to best respond. I could easily give you a URL or two of various hosting companies (which I will do anyway at the end of this email) but I figured it would be better to tell you WHY one host is better than another. There are a few things that you need to take into account when choosing a web host, and they are; in no particular order... 1. We're not fancy, but we cheep! Beware of the host that is too cheap, for they will be running a massively oversubscribed network. They have to make up in numbers, what they lack in profit margin. This means that you could be sharing a single server with literally thousands of other web sites. Your site will be sloww. 2. It costs a fortune, it must be good. Just because something is expensive doesn't mean you are getting anything other than shafted. It just means the company in question has a particular interest in parting fools and their money. If a web hosts pricing is significantly more expensive for roughly the same advertised service, it usually means it's run by a board of directors that are still annoyed with Theodore for breaking up Standard Oil. 3. I take the money, you do the work. When you rent web space from a company, make sure they actually own and run the servers you are hosting on. A lot of web hosts out there are just resell other companies products. This makes troubleshooting a real pain as you need to go through a third party to fix a pesky script. It also means that there is someone in process taking money but not providing any value. Been there, done that. Won't do it again. 4. Everybody loves good neighbours. Look for local companies, that have local support. The last thing you want to have to do it wait until their time zone wakes up to lodge a support ticket. Keeping it local also means you can perhaps go and visit them. I have gotten many 'unsupported' things done by rocking up with a carton of beer/redbull on a Friday afternoon. Most local companies will go out of their way to help you. 5. Everybody loves good neighbours, part 2 (or... It's a long way to Tipperary) Look for local companies that have their servers on the same continent as your customers. I have the displeasure of of supporting a retail shop who insist on working with a local web design house that run their servers out of Texas! The shop wonders why their site loads so slowly... I had a few more points, but the email was staring to get a bit lengthy. Sort of like that old Uncle that never seems to get that he should have stopped talking about 10 minutes ago. With all that in mind, you will recall I said I would give you a URL to peruse. Well... here it is. http://www.webinabox.net.au Lets cover the points; 1. Reasonably priced to keep subscription ratios low and equipment quality high. 2. First born child not required as down-payment. 3. Their servers, their switches, their routers, their responsibility, their control. 4. WA boys born and bread. (Except one of them, but he's a bit weird anyway...) 5. All their primary gear is in WA. They do have backups overseas which is a good thing. I use them for all my clients hosting, and they also host the WAMUG web site and mailing list. Give them a call. (Shane, Trent or Andrew) -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Domain Name Registration / Web Hosting
Hi I can highly recommend MacHighwayhttps://customers.machighway.com/aff.php?aff=280 They are a great supporter of the Geraldton Macintosh User Grouphttp://www.gmug.org.au/ and I have recommended hosting packages to several of my clients. -- Regards Kyle - Kyle Kreusch: - This E-Mail Was Dictated Using MacSpeech Dictate, [i] - On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Steven Knowles emai...@knowles.net.auwrote: I have domain registrations and rent a VPS via http://www.dotinfohosting.com - I've had no probs, and represent good value for money from the looking around I did at the time. Cheers, Steven On 27/11/2010, at 1:15 PM, cm wrote: Hello all, I notice that the previous time this was asked was in 2005 so I just wanted to ask the group again for its received wisdom about domain name registration and web hosting. I am looking register a domain name and have the associated web site hosted. The site will be interactive and require an application server such as GlassFish to run JSF, or similar. Mac or Linux box would be preferred. Do you still think it a good idea to register with http://www.netregistry.com.au ? Or are there arguments to register a cheap .com domain name with http://www.namecheap.com ? I don't know if he is still active in the group, but Phillip McGree was recommending http://www.bottle.com.au Does anyone else have an opinion on them? Any advice or anecdotes about experiences would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Carlo -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Domain Name Registration / Web Hosting
Thanks all for the informative replies! I'll spend a week or two evaluating the alternatives. Cheers, Carlo On 2010-11-27, at 16:47, Kyle Kreusch wrote: Hi I can highly recommend MacHighway They are a great supporter of the Geraldton Macintosh User Group and I have recommended hosting packages to several of my clients. -- Regards Kyle - Kyle Kreusch: - This E-Mail Was Dictated Using MacSpeech Dictate, [i] - On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Steven Knowles emai...@knowles.net.au wrote: I have domain registrations and rent a VPS via http://www.dotinfohosting.com - I've had no probs, and represent good value for money from the looking around I did at the time. Cheers, Steven On 27/11/2010, at 1:15 PM, cm wrote: Hello all, I notice that the previous time this was asked was in 2005 so I just wanted to ask the group again for its received wisdom about domain name registration and web hosting. I am looking register a domain name and have the associated web site hosted. The site will be interactive and require an application server such as GlassFish to run JSF, or similar. Mac or Linux box would be preferred. Do you still think it a good idea to register with http://www.netregistry.com.au ? Or are there arguments to register a cheap .com domain name with http://www.namecheap.com ? I don't know if he is still active in the group, but Phillip McGree was recommending http://www.bottle.com.au Does anyone else have an opinion on them? Any advice or anecdotes about experiences would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Carlo -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Domain Name Registration / Web Hosting
On 27/11/2010, at 11:15 AM, cm wrote: I am looking register a domain name and have the associated web site hosted. The site will be interactive and require an application server such as GlassFish to run JSF, or similar. Mac or Linux box would be preferred. Do you still think it a good idea to register with http://www.netregistry.com.au ? Or are there arguments to register a cheap .com domain name with http://www.namecheap.com ? I don't know if he is still active in the group, but Phillip McGree was recommending http://www.bottle.com.au Does anyone else have an opinion on them? Any advice or anecdotes about experiences would be greatly appreciated. We register quite a few domains on behalf of clients, and over the years have used a dozen or so registrars. With quite few we have had minor problems, but almost never significant enough to result in the domain not being set up correctly. Our current favoured registrar is Webcity - they are cheaper than most, they use Enetica (a long-established company) to do the actual registration, and their domain management interface is OK. Netregistry is a very well-established company but they can be VERY expensive, particularly for any related services. Hosting is a much more complex decision, and depends greatly on what you plan to do. Some of the USA based hosting companies give you enormous amounts of resources (lots of storage space, multiple sites, many email addresses, endless sub-domains, lots of applications, etc.) for a similar price to many local companies which offer very limited features (for example one web site, few email addresses and subdomains charged extra, etc.). However if you do not want multiple sites and the other stuff, a local company might be suitable. It seems to me that your first task is to ensure that GlassFish or whatever you need is available from any prospective hosting service - I am not familiar with it but many hosting services may not support it. Lots of hosting services offer a choice of Unix or Windows, Mac is much less common. Regards Geoff -- Geoff and Kaye k...@kgweb.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Domain Name Registration / Web Hosting
Hello all, I notice that the previous time this was asked was in 2005 so I just wanted to ask the group again for its received wisdom about domain name registration and web hosting. I am looking register a domain name and have the associated web site hosted. The site will be interactive and require an application server such as GlassFish to run JSF, or similar. Mac or Linux box would be preferred. Do you still think it a good idea to register with http://www.netregistry.com.au ? Or are there arguments to register a cheap .com domain name with http://www.namecheap.com ? I don't know if he is still active in the group, but Phillip McGree was recommending http://www.bottle.com.au Does anyone else have an opinion on them? Any advice or anecdotes about experiences would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Carlo -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Domain Name Registration / Web Hosting
NetRegistry and Namecheap are both good registrars. Bottle Domains has been deregistered - I suggest you refer to auda.org.au/news/bottledomains/ Glenn Nicholas On Saturday, November 27, 2010, cm cm200...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, I notice that the previous time this was asked was in 2005 so I just wanted to ask the group again for its received wisdom about domain name registration and web hosting. I am looking register a domain name and have the associated web site hosted. The site will be interactive and require an application server such as GlassFish to run JSF, or similar. Mac or Linux box would be preferred. Do you still think it a good idea to register with http://www.netregistry.com.au ? Or are there arguments to register a cheap .com domain name with http://www.namecheap.com ? I don't know if he is still active in the group, but Phillip McGree was recommending http://www.bottle.com.au Does anyone else have an opinion on them? Any advice or anecdotes about experiences would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Carlo -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- Glenn Nicholas OM4 :: Phone: +61 8 9382 8651 Website Design and Development OM4: http://om4.com.au OM4Tourism: http://om4tourism.com -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Domain Name Registration / Web Hosting
Hi webcity.com.au have provided me with good service over the past 3 years or so. They are competitively priced but not cheap and nasty. If you want a wide range of comments you might also like to check http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum/116 Don't get lost in there tho. Regards Shayne On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Glenn Nicholas gl...@om4.com.au wrote: NetRegistry and Namecheap are both good registrars. Bottle Domains has been deregistered - I suggest you refer to auda.org.au/news/bottledomains/ Glenn Nicholas On Saturday, November 27, 2010, cm cm200...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, I notice that the previous time this was asked was in 2005 so I just wanted to ask the group again for its received wisdom about domain name registration and web hosting. I am looking register a domain name and have the associated web site hosted. The site will be interactive and require an application server such as GlassFish to run JSF, or similar. Mac or Linux box would be preferred. Do you still think it a good idea to register with http://www.netregistry.com.au ? Or are there arguments to register a cheap .com domain name with http://www.namecheap.com ? I don't know if he is still active in the group, but Phillip McGree was recommending http://www.bottle.com.au Does anyone else have an opinion on them? Any advice or anecdotes about experiences would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Carlo -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- Glenn Nicholas OM4 :: Phone: +61 8 9382 8651 Website Design and Development OM4: http://om4.com.au OM4Tourism: http://om4tourism.com -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Domain Name Registration / Web Hosting
I have domain registrations and rent a VPS via http://www.dotinfohosting.com - I've had no probs, and represent good value for money from the looking around I did at the time. Cheers, Steven On 27/11/2010, at 1:15 PM, cm wrote: Hello all, I notice that the previous time this was asked was in 2005 so I just wanted to ask the group again for its received wisdom about domain name registration and web hosting. I am looking register a domain name and have the associated web site hosted. The site will be interactive and require an application server such as GlassFish to run JSF, or similar. Mac or Linux box would be preferred. Do you still think it a good idea to register with http://www.netregistry.com.au ? Or are there arguments to register a cheap .com domain name with http://www.namecheap.com ? I don't know if he is still active in the group, but Phillip McGree was recommending http://www.bottle.com.au Does anyone else have an opinion on them? Any advice or anecdotes about experiences would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Carlo -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
