Re: Entourage Database - does Time Machine treat as single file ?
Neil What are your thoughts on SuperDuper vs C.C.Cloner? Barry On 04/08/2008, at 12:42 PM, Neil Houghton wrote: Hehe... Sorry -SuperDuper gets so much coverage on the list, there is a tendency to assume that everyone knows all about it. Basically, SuperDuper is shareware back-up software: http://www.shirt-pocket.com/SuperDuper/SuperDuperDescription.html The description pretty much tells you all about it. You can download a free trial and it will let you make a bootable clone of your hard drive to an external disk. Clone just means that the back-up is essentially (functionally) a duplicate of the hard drive of your machine. Bootable means that you can actually boot-up your computer and run it from the external disc - so that if your computer's hard drive actually fails, you can be up and running from the clone. This is the simple version and there are limitations regarding the types/formating of external disks for use with different Macs (depending on both OS version and processor). If you search the WAMUG mailing list archive against SuperDuper you will find many posts discussing all this and more! For $27.95 you can updgrade to the full, paid version - which unlocks extra features of SuperDuper. I personally think that it is worth it just for the Smart Update feature - which really saves a lot of time if you have a lot of data to back-up. Most people download the free trial, which is all you need to make a bootable clone, but after using it a couple of times they pay to upgrade just to unlock the extra features (particularly Smart Update). It is pretty universally praised on most Mac sites/forums and the only time I have had any problems is when my data grew to be nearly as big as the external hard drive. At this point Smart update failed as it sorts of needs some extra space to work in as it compares files for updating. I quickly bought a larger backup disk to cover this, but in the meantime I just switched the Smart update off so that the external hard drive was erased and the whole hard drive recopied every back-up. This maintained my peace of mind while waiting for the new disk - but was very slow! Anyway, checkout their website, download the free trial and have a play! HTH Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 3/8/08 8:22 PM, Steven Knowles at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neil, sounds interesting, but I'm afraid I don't follow you. What's a SuperDuper clone? Cheers, Steven On 3/8/08 8:15 PM, Neil Houghton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Steven Ronni Of course if you go the belt braces of Time machine for the archiving backed up by a SuperDuper bootable clone for disaster recovery, your clone would fulfil the backing it up in some other way and would be as current as your last SuperDuper clone. As mentioned on previous posts, Virtual Machine files (ie Parallels or VM Fusion Windows machine files) are also very large files which change constantly (when you have the VM fired up) so they give the same problem - and can be handled by the same solution. Cheers Neil -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Entourage Database - does Time Machine treat as single file ?
Hi Barry, I don't really have any thoughts on CCC. I did download CCC and use it several years ago, when it seemed to be the generally recommended backup/clone application (possibly before SuperDuper came out?). I don't remember having any problems with it. Later on (when I next upgraded my computer or OS?) I remember doing some reading on forums etc where SuperDuper seemed to be the favorite so I gave it a go. Since then nearly all forums/articles/tutorials I come across seem to suggest SuperDuper as the way to go (including, it seems to me, most WAMUG posters). I have never had any problems with SuperDuper other than the issue I mentioned in my last post - where my back-up disk effectively became too small for my increasing back-up - which isn't the fault of the application! So... I am very happy with SuperDuper. I have never personally had any problems with CCC, but I only used it a few times several years ago. HTH Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 4/8/08 5:53 PM, Barry Sexstone at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neil What are your thoughts on SuperDuper vs C.C.Cloner? Barry On 04/08/2008, at 12:42 PM, Neil Houghton wrote: -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Entourage Database - does Time Machine treat as single file ?
Neil Thanks Barry On 04/08/2008, at 6:54 PM, Neil Houghton wrote: Hi Barry, I don't really have any thoughts on CCC. I did download CCC and use it several years ago, when it seemed to be the generally recommended backup/clone application (possibly before SuperDuper came out?). I don't remember having any problems with it. Later on (when I next upgraded my computer or OS?) I remember doing some reading on forums etc where SuperDuper seemed to be the favorite so I gave it a go. Since then nearly all forums/articles/tutorials I come across seem to suggest SuperDuper as the way to go (including, it seems to me, most WAMUG posters). I have never had any problems with SuperDuper other than the issue I mentioned in my last post - where my back-up disk effectively became too small for my increasing back-up - which isn't the fault of the application! So... I am very happy with SuperDuper. I have never personally had any problems with CCC, but I only used it a few times several years ago. HTH Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 4/8/08 5:53 PM, Barry Sexstone at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neil What are your thoughts on SuperDuper vs C.C.Cloner? Barry On 04/08/2008, at 12:42 PM, Neil Houghton wrote: -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Entourage Database - does Time Machine treat as single file ?
Just a thought, does Time Machine treat the Database file, relating to Microsoft's Entourage application, as a single file? I ask because my Database file currently sits at about 600MB in size, and with email being my most used application, does that mean a back up that relatively large file will be done every hour?!! Cheers, Steven -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Entourage Database - does Time Machine treat as single file ?
Hi Steven, On 03/08/2008, at 7:31 PM, Steven Knowles wrote: Just a thought, does Time Machine treat the Database file, relating to Microsoft's Entourage application, as a single file? Yes I ask because my Database file currently sits at about 600MB in size, and with email being my most used application, does that mean a back up that relatively large file will be done every hour?!! Yes Extract taken from 'Take Control of Easy Backups in Leopard (1.1.1) Under Items To Consider Excluding: Entourage database: If you use Microsoft Entourage, you have a file called Database, which stores all your email, calendar items, and to-do tasks. (By default, it’s stored in ~/Documents/ Microsoft User Data/Office 2008 Identities/Main Identity; substitute Office 2004 or Office X for Office 2008 if you are using an older version.) This file can grow to several gigabytes in size or larger, and it changes every time you receive or file an email message—or do just about anything else in Entourage. As a result, Time Machine must recopy that entire file every time it runs. Not only will that make your hourly backups take a long time, it’ll rapidly fill up your backup disk. However, since this file is important, if you exclude it from Time Machine, I recommend backing it up in some other way Cheers, Ronni -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Entourage Database - does Time Machine treat as single file ?
Hi Steven Ronni Of course if you go the belt braces of Time machine for the archiving backed up by a SuperDuper bootable clone for disaster recovery, your clone would fulfil the backing it up in some other way and would be as current as your last SuperDuper clone. As mentioned on previous posts, Virtual Machine files (ie Parallels or VM Fusion Windows machine files) are also very large files which change constantly (when you have the VM fired up) so they give the same problem - and can be handled by the same solution. Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 3/8/08 7:42 PM, Ronda Brown at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Steven, On 03/08/2008, at 7:31 PM, Steven Knowles wrote: Just a thought, does Time Machine treat the Database file, relating to Microsoft's Entourage application, as a single file? Yes I ask because my Database file currently sits at about 600MB in size, and with email being my most used application, does that mean a back up that relatively large file will be done every hour?!! Yes Extract taken from 'Take Control of Easy Backups in Leopard (1.1.1) Under Items To Consider Excluding: Entourage database: If you use Microsoft Entourage, you have a file called Database, which stores all your email, calendar items, and to-do tasks. (By default, it¹s stored in ~/Documents/ Microsoft User Data/Office 2008 Identities/Main Identity; substitute Office 2004 or Office X for Office 2008 if you are using an older version.) This file can grow to several gigabytes in size or larger, and it changes every time you receive or file an email messageor do just about anything else in Entourage. As a result, Time Machine must recopy that entire file every time it runs. Not only will that make your hourly backups take a long time, it¹ll rapidly fill up your backup disk. However, since this file is important, if you exclude it from Time Machine, I recommend backing it up in some other way Cheers, Ronni -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Entourage Database - does Time Machine treat as single file ?
Hmm. That's something to think about. Maybe I'll have to exclude it from auto back up, and instead back it up to Time Capsule manually and less frequently via drag and drop as a separate file. Kinda defeats the purpose of Time Machine though. Thanks for your help Ronni. Steven On 3/8/08 7:42 PM, Ronda Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Steven, On 03/08/2008, at 7:31 PM, Steven Knowles wrote: Just a thought, does Time Machine treat the Database file, relating to Microsoft's Entourage application, as a single file? Yes I ask because my Database file currently sits at about 600MB in size, and with email being my most used application, does that mean a back up that relatively large file will be done every hour?!! Yes Extract taken from 'Take Control of Easy Backups in Leopard (1.1.1) Under Items To Consider Excluding: Entourage database: If you use Microsoft Entourage, you have a file called Database, which stores all your email, calendar items, and to-do tasks. (By default, it¹s stored in ~/Documents/ Microsoft User Data/Office 2008 Identities/Main Identity; substitute Office 2004 or Office X for Office 2008 if you are using an older version.) This file can grow to several gigabytes in size or larger, and it changes every time you receive or file an email messageor do just about anything else in Entourage. As a result, Time Machine must recopy that entire file every time it runs. Not only will that make your hourly backups take a long time, it¹ll rapidly fill up your backup disk. However, since this file is important, if you exclude it from Time Machine, I recommend backing it up in some other way Cheers, Ronni -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Entourage Database - does Time Machine treat as single file ?
Neil, sounds interesting, but I'm afraid I don't follow you. What's a SuperDuper clone? Cheers, Steven On 3/8/08 8:15 PM, Neil Houghton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Steven Ronni Of course if you go the belt braces of Time machine for the archiving backed up by a SuperDuper bootable clone for disaster recovery, your clone would fulfil the backing it up in some other way and would be as current as your last SuperDuper clone. As mentioned on previous posts, Virtual Machine files (ie Parallels or VM Fusion Windows machine files) are also very large files which change constantly (when you have the VM fired up) so they give the same problem - and can be handled by the same solution. Cheers Neil -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Entourage Database - does Time Machine treat as single file ?
Hehe... Sorry -SuperDuper gets so much coverage on the list, there is a tendency to assume that everyone knows all about it. Basically, SuperDuper is shareware back-up software: http://www.shirt-pocket.com/SuperDuper/SuperDuperDescription.html The description pretty much tells you all about it. You can download a free trial and it will let you make a bootable clone of your hard drive to an external disk. Clone just means that the back-up is essentially (functionally) a duplicate of the hard drive of your machine. Bootable means that you can actually boot-up your computer and run it from the external disc - so that if your computer's hard drive actually fails, you can be up and running from the clone. This is the simple version and there are limitations regarding the types/formating of external disks for use with different Macs (depending on both OS version and processor). If you search the WAMUG mailing list archive against SuperDuper you will find many posts discussing all this and more! For $27.95 you can updgrade to the full, paid version - which unlocks extra features of SuperDuper. I personally think that it is worth it just for the Smart Update feature - which really saves a lot of time if you have a lot of data to back-up. Most people download the free trial, which is all you need to make a bootable clone, but after using it a couple of times they pay to upgrade just to unlock the extra features (particularly Smart Update). It is pretty universally praised on most Mac sites/forums and the only time I have had any problems is when my data grew to be nearly as big as the external hard drive. At this point Smart update failed as it sorts of needs some extra space to work in as it compares files for updating. I quickly bought a larger backup disk to cover this, but in the meantime I just switched the Smart update off so that the external hard drive was erased and the whole hard drive recopied every back-up. This maintained my peace of mind while waiting for the new disk - but was very slow! Anyway, checkout their website, download the free trial and have a play! HTH Cheers Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 3/8/08 8:22 PM, Steven Knowles at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neil, sounds interesting, but I'm afraid I don't follow you. What's a SuperDuper clone? Cheers, Steven On 3/8/08 8:15 PM, Neil Houghton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Steven Ronni Of course if you go the belt braces of Time machine for the archiving backed up by a SuperDuper bootable clone for disaster recovery, your clone would fulfil the backing it up in some other way and would be as current as your last SuperDuper clone. As mentioned on previous posts, Virtual Machine files (ie Parallels or VM Fusion Windows machine files) are also very large files which change constantly (when you have the VM fired up) so they give the same problem - and can be handled by the same solution. Cheers Neil -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
