Re: Just as I thought...we're in a different world
This was also true of the old Amiga which was much more popular on the continent and UK than in Oz or I suspect the USA. My theory: Europeans think out of the box more than Americans and Aussies. David On 15/01/2005, at 5:05, WAMUG Mailing List wrote: Thats because the Mac market in Australia, compared to other countries is so minutely small.All those European countries would each,have a bigger market than here. OK, if that's true, why is the Mac market in Australia smaller than that of European countries with populations approximately equal to Australia's? Overpricing here? Incompetent marketing? Insufficient retailer margins? All of these things? If so, the blame can be placed squarely at the door of Apple Australia. Or are there other factors causing Apple to have so few customers in Australia that we are marginalised almost to irrelevance in the general market?
Just as I thought...we're in a different world
The proof is out. Apple defines Wordlwide as Northern hemisphere only. This from Apple's Books page (http://www.apple.com/ilife/iphoto/books/) - bottom of page, RH side. Featuring Worldwide Availability Widely available, you can order iPhoto books from within the iPhoto application in the following countries: USA Canada, Japan, and Europe (including Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland and the United Kingdom). We're just not on the map! -- Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer Perth, Western Australia Phone (618) 9332 6482Fax (618) 9332 0913 Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.
RE: Just as I thought...we're in a different world
Thats because the Mac market in Australia, compared to other countries is so minutely small.All those European countries would each,have a bigger market than here. Regards, Ted -Original Message- From: WAMUG Mailing List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter Hinchliffe Sent: Friday, 14 January 2005 8:57 AM To: WAMUG Mailing List Subject: Just as I thought...we're in a different world The proof is out. Apple defines Wordlwide as Northern hemisphere only. This from Apple's Books page (http://www.apple.com/ilife/iphoto/books/) - bottom of page, RH side. Featuring Worldwide Availability Widely available, you can order iPhoto books from within the iPhoto application in the following countries: USA Canada, Japan, and Europe (including Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland and the United Kingdom). We're just not on the map! -- Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer Perth, Western Australia Phone (618) 9332 6482Fax (618) 9332 0913 Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro
Re: Just as I thought...we're in a different world
On 14/01/2005, at 9:29 AM, Ted Burbidge wrote: Thats because the Mac market in Australia, compared to other countries is so minutely small.All those European countries would each,have a bigger market than here. Regards, Ted this is well known, of course. What I find annoying is Apple's use of the word Worldwide when they mean nothing of the sort. -- Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer Perth, Western Australia Phone (618) 9332 6482Fax (618) 9332 0913 Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.
Re: Just as I thought...we're in a different world
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Fri, Jan 14, 2005 at 09:44:11AM +0800, Peter Hinchliffe wrote: this is well known, of course. What I find annoying is Apple's use of the word Worldwide when they mean nothing of the sort. Agreed. Perhaps someone in marketing thought that 'international' sounded too dull and supposed that 'worldwide' was a more attractive way of saying the same thing.
Re: Just as I thought...we're in a different world
At 9.29 am +0800 14/1/05, Ted Burbidge wrote: Thats because the Mac market in Australia, compared to other countries is so minutely small.All those European countries would each,have a bigger market than here. OK, if that's true, why is the Mac market in Australia smaller than that of European countries with populations approximately equal to Australia's? Overpricing here? Incompetent marketing? Insufficient retailer margins? All of these things? If so, the blame can be placed squarely at the door of Apple Australia. Or are there other factors causing Apple to have so few customers in Australia that we are marginalised almost to irrelevance in the general market?
Re: Just as I thought...we're in a different world
Don't forget, this comes from a country that plays 'World' Series baseball! In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Fri, Jan 14, 2005 at 09:44:11AM +0800, Peter Hinchliffe wrote: this is well known, of course. What I find annoying is Apple's use of the word Worldwide when they mean nothing of the sort. Agreed. Perhaps someone in marketing thought that 'international' sounded too dull and supposed that 'worldwide' was a more attractive way of saying the same thing. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro -- Michael Kane Taylor 4 Saw Road Mount Richon Western Australia 6112 Ph: 61 (0)8 9498 0952 Skype: Mikanta
Re: Just as I thought...we're in a different world
simply economy of scale Europe is for all it's different languages one BIG market with all the cost savings involved in distribution, marketing, support etc At 9.29 am +0800 14/1/05, Ted Burbidge wrote: Thats because the Mac market in Australia, compared to other countries is so minutely small.All those European countries would each,have a bigger market than here. OK, if that's true, why is the Mac market in Australia smaller than that of European countries with populations approximately equal to Australia's? Overpricing here? Incompetent marketing? Insufficient retailer margins? All of these things? If so, the blame can be placed squarely at the door of Apple Australia. Or are there other factors causing Apple to have so few customers in Australia that we are marginalised almost to irrelevance in the general market? -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro -- ~ Mark Secker Computer Support Officer ph#6488 1855 (ECEL) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Western Australia - CRICOS Provider No. 00126G ~ Only he who attempts the absurd is capable of achieving the impossible. - Miguel de Unamuno It takes an idiot to do cool things that's why it's cool - Haruhara Haruka (FLCL) http://ecel-mark.ecel.uwa.edu.au/~marksecker/index.htm (sometimes works)
Re: Just as I thought...we're in a different world
On 14/1/05 9:56 AM, Keith Feltham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 9.29 am +0800 14/1/05, Ted Burbidge wrote: Thats because the Mac market in Australia, compared to other countries is so minutely small.All those European countries would each,have a bigger market than here. OK, if that's true, why is the Mac market in Australia smaller than that of European countries with populations approximately equal to Australia's? Overpricing here? Incompetent marketing? Insufficient retailer margins? All of these things? If so, the blame can be placed squarely at the door of Apple Australia. Or are there other factors causing Apple to have so few customers in Australia that we are marginalised almost to irrelevance in the general market? It is shame really, as those things like iTMS and iPhoto books really do make a difference between Mac and PC (even though iTMS is for both). They are the extra things in a salesperson's arsenal that can get a Switcher over the line. Now they are just one of those things that someone asks on a support call, How come I can't buy an iPhoto book or How come I can't buy any songs from the Music Store in iTunes. I'm sure our dumb copyright laws are the chief problem here, as technically you are not allowed to copy music from one medium to another (which would include downloading), from what I know. Come on Steve, step in here and pay a visit! Bill did when heard the Government were thinking of switching to Linux :-) Maybe with this new ex-Dell guy at the head of Apple Australia will start to bring in some new changes to get things going. I guess the start was the Macworld Sydney event. Baby steps... :-) Seeya Rod!
Re: Just as I thought...we're in a different world
Ted Burbidge wrote: We're just not on the map! I'm sure being in a 'backwater' has some advantages. We have a lovely venue for the annual BBQ don't we? Think of Onno, he couldn't be such intrepid an explorer in Europe ;) Cheers Paul
Re: Just as I thought...we're in a different world
All of the messages so far on this topic have been unaustralian that is despondent and accepting of our lot. Telling each other why it should be so rather than why it should change. Does Steve know about our plight ? Can we do something about it ? Cheerup
Re: Just as I thought...we're in a different world
On 14/01/2005, at 10:34 AM, John Currie wrote: All of the messages so far on this topic have been unaustralian that is despondent and accepting of our lot. Telling each other why it should be so rather than why it should change. Does Steve know about our plight ? Can we do something about it ? Cheerup Hey Matt! Any chance of a quick word with Steve while you're there? :-) -- Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer Perth, Western Australia Phone (618) 9332 6482Fax (618) 9332 0913 Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.
Re: Just as I thought...we're in a different world
Hey Matt! Any chance of a quick word with Steve while you're there? :-) Yeah Matt you could even sing him a song well there's a little boy waiting at the counter of the apple store he's been waiting down under, waiting all these years, do you ever ever see him from up top he gets pushed around, knocked to the ground but he gets to his feet and says What about me it isn't fair Iv'e got my Mac, now i want software can't you see, i wanna live but you don't see here where I live feel free to improve the lyrics.*L* Yvonne
Re: Just as I thought...we're in a different world
On 13/01/2005, at 6:34 PM, John Currie wrote: Does Steve know about our plight ? Steve knows. Trust me. Steve knows. Basically put the blame on Apple Australia. They just can't be bothered doing it. Plain and Simple. At first their justification for not even enabling photo prints was that Kodak wouldn't ship pictures to peoples houses. You had to go and pick them up from a Kodak store. View and Print Photos for delivery anywhere in Australia. Thats a quote from the Kodak Australia web site. I don't know what their justification is now. Probably something along the lines of We can't be bothered. At any rate, the impression that I get is don't expect anything from Apple Oz any time soon. - Matt
Re: Just as I thought...we're in a different world
Well done! On 14/1/05 11:18 AM, wyvern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Matt! Any chance of a quick word with Steve while you're there? :-) Yeah Matt you could even sing him a song well there's a little boy waiting at the counter of the apple store he's been waiting down under, waiting all these years, do you ever ever see him from up top he gets pushed around, knocked to the ground but he gets to his feet and says What about me it isn't fair Iv'e got my Mac, now i want software can't you see, i wanna live but you don't see here where I live feel free to improve the lyrics.*L* Yvonne -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro -- Susan Hastings, Assoc. MAPS Registered Psychologist Suite 20, Level 1 Centre Park 755 Albany Highway East Victoria Park WA 6101 Phone: 9262 0446
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Agreed!! That was very well done!! We all laughed here! :o))) Kind Regards Daniel On 14/01/2005 11:26 AM, Susan Hastings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well done! On 14/1/05 11:18 AM, wyvern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Matt! Any chance of a quick word with Steve while you're there? :-) Yeah Matt you could even sing him a song well there's a little boy waiting at the counter of the apple store he's been waiting down under, waiting all these years, do you ever ever see him from up top he gets pushed around, knocked to the ground but he gets to his feet and says What about me it isn't fair Iv'e got my Mac, now i want software can't you see, i wanna live but you don't see here where I live feel free to improve the lyrics.*L* Yvonne -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro --- Daniel Kerr MacWizardry Phone: 0414 795 960 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.macwizardry.com.au **For everything Macintosh**
Re: Just as I thought...we're in a different world
We really are the poor relations when you consider the shafting we are getting on .Mac. I think 'as a group' we at least make our feelings known to Steve. Mac On 14/01/2005, at 11:26 AM, Susan Hastings wrote: Well done! On 14/1/05 11:18 AM, wyvern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Matt! Any chance of a quick word with Steve while you're there? :-) Yeah Matt you could even sing him a song well there's a little boy waiting at the counter of the apple store he's been waiting down under, waiting all these years, do you ever ever see him from up top he gets pushed around, knocked to the ground but he gets to his feet and says What about me it isn't fair Iv'e got my Mac, now i want software can't you see, i wanna live but you don't see here where I live feel free to improve the lyrics.*L* Yvonne -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro -- Susan Hastings, Assoc. MAPS Registered Psychologist Suite 20, Level 1 Centre Park 755 Albany Highway East Victoria Park WA 6101 Phone: 9262 0446 -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro Malcolm McCallum [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
