Fwd: Re: Network OSX10.2 - Window Me

[Shay Telfer]

[ Forwarding this message for Paul. Please don't reply to me.]


Hey Mervyn and Guiliana

*Computer Names*
If "smb://IPADDRESSOFYOURPC/" doesnt work, as it does not for me 
(for some mysterious reason), try using "smb://NAMEOFYOURPC/"


*TCP/IP*
Be sure that all use the subnet mask: 255.255.255.0
Also, as Onno said:
"PS, their IP addresses may also need to be on the same subnet, eg. one
should be 192.168.0.1 and the other 192.168.0.2"
Optional: If either of these machines makes an internet connection 
that machine should get the "192.168.0.1" address.


*Satire*
For Onno: I believe Windows ME would support File Sharing, in principal;)

*User Names*
At Home I have simplified this by having the same Owner (Username) 
on all machines.
The only problem with this is the PC (Win2000pro) can only get to 
the folder /Users/Administrator/, which does of course mean the 
Desktop too, so this may suffice for you.
As the PC here is not really a workstation this situation is ok I 
suppose, however I sometimes would like it to have access to other 
Drives on the OSX machine...

(Under Appletalk, "Owner" would see ALL drives on the target machine.)

In short; Log Out from the PC and Log back in to it with the same 
username being used on the Mac.


Dont do it the other way round by creating a new user on the mac, as 
it wont get you far, you will only have access to brand new empty 
folders from the PC:)
That is really only meant for additional users on the OSX machine, 
they get their own Desktop and folders etc leaving anyone else's 
things untouchable.


*Windoze Sharing*
To Share a windows folder or drive: right-click > sharing > share 
this folder..

By default this will give unrestricted access to all network users.
The name you give the share will be the name you will see when you 
successfuly connect to the PC from the OSX machine.


OSX to Appletalk: 10 points
OSX to MS Network: 7 points

I hope this helps
Paul




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Re: Network OSX10.2 - Window Me

[stuporcomputer]

On Sunday, July 6, 2003, at 09:57 AM, Andrew Nielsen wrote:

>Let's start with the basics and move up.

>Is the crossover cable known to be in working order?

>Check the settings that the PC and the Mac have for their network
>interfaces. You would need to at least check things like which
>network interface they have selected, TCP/IP addresses, subnet masks.

>Now that the basics are taken care of, let's see if the two machines
>actually have IP connectivity.

>Can you ping one computer from the other? On the PC, bring up a
>command window and ping from there. On the Mac, use the Network
>Utility.

>Now that you can ping each from the other, make sure that your PC is
>set up to actually provide file sharing services. Ask your son to do
>that since you said it's his laptop and he's been doing this before.

>Now on the Mac, go to the Finder, choose Connect to Server from the
>Go menu, and type smb://IPADDRESSOFYOURPC/

>That should get you under way.
>-- 

>Andrew Nielsen 
>Starfish Technologies Pty Ltd 
>ACN 076 426 714 / ABN 49 426 849 601 Tel: 0500 555 677


Hi Mervyn and Guiliana

*Computer Names*
If "smb://IPADDRESSOFYOURPC/" doesnt work, as it does not for me (for some 
mysterious reason), try using "smb://NAMEOFYOURPC/"

*TCP/IP*
Be sure that all use the subnet mask: 255.255.255.0
Also, as Onno said:
"PS, their IP addresses may also need to be on the same subnet, eg. one
should be 192.168.0.1 and the other 192.168.0.2"
Optional: If either of these machines makes an internet connection that machine 
should get the "192.168.0.1" address.

*Satire*
For Onno: I believe Windows ME would support File Sharing, in principal;)

*User Names*
At Home I have simplified this by having the same Owner (Username) on all 
machines.
The only problem with this is the PC (Win2000pro) can only get to the folder 
/Users/
Administrator/, which does of course mean the Desktop too, so this may 
suffice for 
you.
As the PC here is not really a workstation this situation is ok I suppose, 
however I 
sometimes would like it to have access to other Drives on the OSX 
machine...
(Under Appletalk, "Owner" would see ALL drives on the target machine.)

In short; Log Out from the PC and Log back in to it with the same username 
being 
used on the Mac.

Dont do it the other way round by creating a new user on the mac, as it wont 
get you 
far, you will only have access to brand new empty folders from the PC:)
That is really only meant for additional users on the OSX machine, they get 
their own 
Desktop and folders etc leaving anyone else's things untouchable.

*Windoze Sharing*
To Share a windows folder or drive: right-click > sharing > share this 
folder..
By default this will give unrestricted access to all network users.
The name you give the share will be the name you will see when you successfuly 
connect to the PC from the OSX machine.

OSX to Appletalk: 10 points
OSX to MS Network: 7 points

I hope this helps
Paul

Re: Network OSX10.2 - Window Me

[Paul]

On Sunday, July 6, 2003, at 09:57 AM, Andrew Nielsen wrote:


Let's start with the basics and move up.

Is the crossover cable known to be in working order?

Check the settings that the PC and the Mac have for their network
interfaces. You would need to at least check things like which
network interface they have selected, TCP/IP addresses, subnet masks.

Now that the basics are taken care of, let's see if the two machines
actually have IP connectivity.

Can you ping one computer from the other? On the PC, bring up a
command window and ping from there. On the Mac, use the Network
Utility.

Now that you can ping each from the other, make sure that your PC is
set up to actually provide file sharing services. Ask your son to do
that since you said it's his laptop and he's been doing this before.

Now on the Mac, go to the Finder, choose Connect to Server from the
Go menu, and type smb://IPADDRESSOFYOURPC/

That should get you under way.
--

Andrew Nielsen 


Starfish Technologies Pty Ltd 
ACN 076 426 714 / ABN 49 426 849 601 Tel: 0500 555 677

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Hey Mervyn a Guiliana

*Computer Names*
If "smb://IPADDRESSOFYOURPC/" doesnt work, as it does not for me (for 
some mysterious reason), try using "smb://NAMEOFYOURPC/"


*TCP/IP*
Be sure that all use the subnet mask: 255.255.255.0
Also, as Onno said:
"PS, their IP addresses may also need to be on the same subnet, eg. one
should be 192.168.0.1 and the other 192.168.0.2"
Optional: If either of these machines makes an internet connection that 
machine should get the "192.168.0.1" address.


*Satire*
For Onno: I believe Windows ME would support File Sharing, in 
principal;)


*User Names*
At Home I have simplified this by having the same Owner (Username) on 
all machines.
The only problem with this is the PC (Win2000pro) can only get to the 
folder /Users/Administrator/, which does of course mean the Desktop 
too, so this may suffice for you.
As the PC here is not really a workstation this situation is ok I 
suppose, however I sometimes would like it to have access to other 
Drives on the OSX machine...

(Under Appletalk, "Owner" would see ALL drives on the target machine.)

In short; Log Out from the PC and Log back in to it with the same 
username being used on the Mac.


Dont do it the other way round by creating a new user on the mac, as it 
wont get you far, you will only have access to brand new empty folders 
from the PC:)
That is really only meant for additional users on the OSX machine, they 
get their own Desktop and folders etc leaving anyone else's things 
untouchable.


*Windoze Sharing*
To Share a windows folder or drive: right-click > sharing > share this 
folder..

By default this will give unrestricted access to all network users.
The name you give the share will be the name you will see when you 
successfuly connect to the PC from the OSX machine.


OSX to Appletalk: 10 points
OSX to MS Network: 7 points

I hope this helps
Paul

Re: Network OSX10.2 - Window Me

[Shay Telfer]

I have be trying to link my iMac running OSX10.2 to a laptop running
Windows Me using a crossover ethernet cable and have come to the
conclusion that the highly promoted simple connectivity of OSX 10.2
only works if one is connecting to a PC that is running on XP. Is
this conclusion accurate?


What sort of iMac is it? New ethernet hardware in newer iMacs (and 
possibly newer PC's) doesn't require crossover cables.




Have fun,
Shay
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Re: Network OSX10.2 - Window Me

[David Watkins]

Networking to a PC can be a little difficult if you have not done
it before and it is almost impossible to explain everything by an
e-mail as it is a big subject, below are some guide lines that may
help you. You can also go to the website
MacWindows
http://macwindows.com/
and have a read over a few things there, if all this fails I think
you may have to call someone in to help you.


Dave

-

The following steps will help you configure the Windows 2000 and
Macintosh machines with the minimum configuration necessary for it
to work properly.

Windows
- Right click on My Network Places and select Properties
- Right click on the Local Area Connection and select Properties
- Get the properties for TCP/IP
- Enter the IP address 192.168.0.1 and the subnet mask 255.255.255.0
- Leave the Default Gateway blank
- Select the Advanced button
- On the DNS tab, verify that the DNS server address is blank
- On the WINS tab, verify that the WINS server address is blank and
that "Enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP is selected"
- Click OK
- Install File and Print Sharing for Microsoft Networks
- Close all windows
- Right Click on My Computer
- Select Properties
- Click on the Network Identification tab
- The name of the computer will be "Windows" and the workgroup will
be "Workgroup"
- Close everything and restart
- After restarting, right-click in the middle of the desktop and
choose New - Folder
- Right-click on New Folder and select Sharing
- Select Share this folder and then click OK

Macintosh OS 8.6 - 9.x
- Open the TCP/IP control panel
- Connect Via - Ethernet, Configure - Manually
- IP address 192.168.0.2, subnet mask 255.255.255.0
- Make sure there is no router or name server address and no search domains
- Close TCP/IP and save the changes
- Open the NetBIOS control panel
- The name will be Macintosh and the workgroup will be Workgroup

Macintosh OS X
- Open the Network preference in the System preferences
- Show - Built in Ethernet, Configure - Manually
- IP address 192.168.0.2, subnet mask 255.255.255.0
- Make sure there is no router or name server address and no search domains
- Click 'Apply Now' and close the Network preference
- Select the Finder and on the menu bar select Go - Connect to
server to browse the network

Re: Network OSX10.2 - Window Me

[Onno Benschop]

On Sun, 2003-07-06 at 12:01, Mervyn & Giuliana Bond wrote:
> Thanks for your response Andrew.
> 
> I have been using the cable to talk to my old Performa, so it is working.
> 
> The Mac was on TCT/IP with the interal internet selected. I don't 
> understand the term "subnet masks" with reference to the Mac 
> settings and the implications of such. What should be doing with 
> them and where are they?

They're in the same place where you set the IP address. If you set the
address to 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.0.2, then an appropriate subnet mask
to use is 255.255.255.0

> Pinging - not tried from the Mac, but tried from the PC. No success. 

The rest is a waste of time, you need the ping to work first before the
rest will ever work.

Set the IP numbers as I suggested, then try again.

> When I tried "Connect to Server" I got an error message the wording 
> of which I forget but it implied I couldn't make contact and reported 
> as Error -36.
> 
> Merv
> 
> At 9:57 AM +0800 6/7/03, Andrew Nielsen wrote:
> >Let's start with the basics and move up.
> >
> >Is the crossover cable known to be in working order?
> >
> >Check the settings that the PC and the Mac have for their network 
> >interfaces. You would need to at least check things like which 
> >network interface they have selected, TCP/IP addresses, subnet masks.
> >
> >Now that the basics are taken care of, let's see if the two machines 
> >actually have IP connectivity.
> >
> >Can you ping one computer from the other? On the PC, bring up a 
> >command window and ping from there. On the Mac, use the Network 
> >Utility.
> >
> >Now that you can ping each from the other, make sure that your PC is 
> >set up to actually provide file sharing services. Ask your son to 
> >do that since you said it's his laptop and he's been doing this 
> >before.
> >
> >Now on the Mac, go to the Finder, choose Connect to Server from the 
> >Go menu, and type smb://IPADDRESSOFYOURPC/
> >
> >That should get you under way.
> >--
> >
> >Andrew Nielsen 
> >Starfish Technologies Pty Ltd 
> >ACN 076 426 714 / ABN 49 426 849 601 Tel: 0500 555 677
Onno Benschop 

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Re: Network OSX10.2 - Window Me

[Mervyn & Giuliana Bond]

Sorry, in para 3 the underlined words should read 'internal ethernet'.
Merv

At 12:05 PM +0800 6/7/03, Mervyn & Giuliana Bond wrote:
>Thanks for your response Andrew.
>
>I have been using the cable to talk to my old Performa, so it is working.
>
>The Mac was on TCT/IP with the interal internet selected. I don't
>understand the term "subnet masks" with reference to the Mac
>settings and the implications of such. What should be doing with
>them and where are they?
>
>Pinging - not tried from the Mac, but tried from the PC. No success.
>When I tried "Connect to Server" I got an error message the wording
>of which I forget but it implied I couldn't make contact and reported
>as Error -36.
>
>Merv
>
>At 9:57 AM +0800 6/7/03, Andrew Nielsen wrote:
>>Let's start with the basics and move up.
>>
>>Is the crossover cable known to be in working order?
>>
>>Check the settings that the PC and the Mac have for their network
>>interfaces. You would need to at least check things like which
>>network interface they have selected, TCP/IP addresses, subnet masks.
>>
>>Now that the basics are taken care of, let's see if the two machines
>>actually have IP connectivity.
>>
>>Can you ping one computer from the other? On the PC, bring up a
>>command window and ping from there. On the Mac, use the Network
>>Utility.
>>
>>Now that you can ping each from the other, make sure that your PC is
>>set up to actually provide file sharing services. Ask your son to
>>do that since you said it's his laptop and he's been doing this
>>before.
>>
>>Now on the Mac, go to the Finder, choose Connect to Server from the
>>Go menu, and type smb://IPADDRESSOFYOURPC/
>>
>>That should get you under way.
>>--
>>
>>Andrew Nielsen 
>>Starfish Technologies Pty Ltd 
>>ACN 076 426 714 / ABN 49 426 849 601 Tel: 0500 555 677
>
>
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>also believe in order to see."
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Re: Network OSX10.2 - Window Me

[Mervyn & Giuliana Bond]

Thanks for your response Andrew.

I have been using the cable to talk to my old Performa, so it is working.

The Mac was on TCT/IP with the interal internet selected. I don't 
understand the term "subnet masks" with reference to the Mac 
settings and the implications of such. What should be doing with 
them and where are they?


Pinging - not tried from the Mac, but tried from the PC. No success. 
When I tried "Connect to Server" I got an error message the wording 
of which I forget but it implied I couldn't make contact and reported 
as Error -36.


Merv

At 9:57 AM +0800 6/7/03, Andrew Nielsen wrote:

Let's start with the basics and move up.

Is the crossover cable known to be in working order?

Check the settings that the PC and the Mac have for their network 
interfaces. You would need to at least check things like which 
network interface they have selected, TCP/IP addresses, subnet masks.


Now that the basics are taken care of, let's see if the two machines 
actually have IP connectivity.


Can you ping one computer from the other? On the PC, bring up a 
command window and ping from there. On the Mac, use the Network 
Utility.


Now that you can ping each from the other, make sure that your PC is 
set up to actually provide file sharing services. Ask your son to 
do that since you said it's his laptop and he's been doing this 
before.


Now on the Mac, go to the Finder, choose Connect to Server from the 
Go menu, and type smb://IPADDRESSOFYOURPC/


That should get you under way.
--

Andrew Nielsen 
Starfish Technologies Pty Ltd 
ACN 076 426 714 / ABN 49 426 849 601 Tel: 0500 555 677



--
"Science teaches that we must see in order to believe, but we must 
also believe in order to see."

Re: Network OSX10.2 - Window Me

[Andrew Nielsen]

Let's start with the basics and move up.

Is the crossover cable known to be in working order?

Check the settings that the PC and the Mac have for their network 
interfaces. You would need to at least check things like which 
network interface they have selected, TCP/IP addresses, subnet masks.


Now that the basics are taken care of, let's see if the two machines 
actually have IP connectivity.


Can you ping one computer from the other? On the PC, bring up a 
command window and ping from there. On the Mac, use the Network 
Utility.


Now that you can ping each from the other, make sure that your PC is 
set up to actually provide file sharing services. Ask your son to do 
that since you said it's his laptop and he's been doing this before.


Now on the Mac, go to the Finder, choose Connect to Server from the 
Go menu, and type smb://IPADDRESSOFYOURPC/


That should get you under way.
--

Andrew Nielsen 
Starfish Technologies Pty Ltd 
ACN 076 426 714 / ABN 49 426 849 601 Tel: 0500 555 677

Re: Network OSX10.2 - Window Me

[Mervyn & Giuliana Bond]

David
We set the Mac to TCP/IP and selected internal ethernet. In the 
Users I identified the laptop by name as a user and turned on Windows 
file sharing. Have I missed something?


The laptop was being operated by my son so I can't answer what 
settings he used. He uses it in his own house linked to an old PC 
and a PC running XP.


If you can dig up the settings required on Windows that would be great.

At 11:38 PM +0800 5/7/03, David Watkins wrote:

Onno
Thanks for the addresses notion in your second email.

Merv


Merv

I have Mac with 10.2 connecting ok with Windows 98 via ethernet so
you should be able to do it with out any problems.

Not knowing what your configurations are on each Machine it is hard
to answer why you can't get it to work.

Are you familiar with what basic configurations are required for
your Windows machine, if not I could dig up some details and send
them to you. From memory the Help section on your Mac gives some
details of how to go about it.

Dave Watkins.


At 10:59 PM +0800 5/7/03, Mervyn & Giuliana Bond said:"


I have be trying to link my iMac running OSX10.2 to a laptop running
Windows Me using a crossover ethernet cable and have come to the
conclusion that the highly promoted simple connectivity of OSX 10.2
only works if one is connecting to a PC that is running on XP. Is
this conclusion accurate?

If so, can I use the cross-over ethernet cable configuration to link
to the Window Me laptop in some way that doesn't involve using the
internet or a significant outlay on new software?

Suggestions please.

Merv



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Re: Network OSX10.2 - Window Me

[Onno Benschop]

On Sun, 2003-07-06 at 07:55, Onno Benschop wrote:
> On Sat, 2003-07-05 at 22:59, Mervyn & Giuliana Bond wrote:
> > I have be trying to link my iMac running OSX10.2 to a laptop running 
> > Windows Me using a crossover ethernet cable and have come to the 
> > conclusion that the highly promoted simple connectivity of OSX 10.2 
> > only works if one is connecting to a PC that is running on XP. Is 
> > this conclusion accurate?
> 
> I don't recall if Windows Me supports file-sharing, but I'm pretty sure
> it does, so you'd need to actually share some files on the laptop (or on
> the Mac), so the other machine can "see" something.

PS, their IP addresses may also need to be on the same subnet, eg. one
should be 192.168.0.1 and the other 192.168.0.2

Onno Benschop 

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Re: Network OSX10.2 - Window Me

[Onno Benschop]

On Sat, 2003-07-05 at 22:59, Mervyn & Giuliana Bond wrote:
> I have be trying to link my iMac running OSX10.2 to a laptop running 
> Windows Me using a crossover ethernet cable and have come to the 
> conclusion that the highly promoted simple connectivity of OSX 10.2 
> only works if one is connecting to a PC that is running on XP. Is 
> this conclusion accurate?

I don't recall if Windows Me supports file-sharing, but I'm pretty sure
it does, so you'd need to actually share some files on the laptop (or on
the Mac), so the other machine can "see" something.

Onno Benschop 

Connected via Optus B3 from S33:37'33" - E115:07'30" (Dunsborough, WA)
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--- -. -. --- ..Morse for Onno.. 

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Re: Network OSX10.2 - Window Me

[David Watkins]

Merv

I have Mac with 10.2 connecting ok with Windows 98 via ethernet so
you should be able to do it with out any problems.

Not knowing what your configurations are on each Machine it is hard
to answer why you can't get it to work.

Are you familiar with what basic configurations are required for
your Windows machine, if not I could dig up some details and send
them to you. From memory the Help section on your Mac gives some
details of how to go about it.

Dave Watkins.


At 10:59 PM +0800 5/7/03, Mervyn & Giuliana Bond said:"

> I have be trying to link my iMac running OSX10.2 to a laptop running
> Windows Me using a crossover ethernet cable and have come to the
> conclusion that the highly promoted simple connectivity of OSX 10.2
> only works if one is connecting to a PC that is running on XP. Is
> this conclusion accurate?
>
> If so, can I use the cross-over ethernet cable configuration to link
> to the Window Me laptop in some way that doesn't involve using the
> internet or a significant outlay on new software?
>
> Suggestions please.
>
> Merv

Network OSX10.2 - Window Me

[Mervyn & Giuliana Bond]

I have be trying to link my iMac running OSX10.2 to a laptop running 
Windows Me using a crossover ethernet cable and have come to the 
conclusion that the highly promoted simple connectivity of OSX 10.2 
only works if one is connecting to a PC that is running on XP. Is 
this conclusion accurate?


If so, can I use the cross-over ethernet cable configuration to link 
to the Window Me laptop in some way that doesn't involve using the 
internet or a significant outlay on new software?


Suggestions please.

Merv
--
"Science teaches that we must see in order to believe, but we must 
also believe in order to see."