Re: Can not boot
Hi Severin, Have you tried to boot up in safe mode (hold down shift key at boot). At the login screen click restart and see if the computer restarts normally? If you can get it to boot up, you might need to get rid of any of the 10.5.8 install and then download the Combo update and try again. But first check (if you can get it to boot) that the 10.5.8 install hasn't fully completed ... look under Apple About this Mac if it has 'Version 10.5.8' click on it see if it has Build 9L30. 1. In Finder - from the GO Menu choose Go To Folder 2. Type: /Library/Updates 3. Click GO. The /Library/Updates folder will open 4. Select all contents of this folder and move them to the Trash. Once the above steps are complete, download the Combo Update and install again. Mac OS X v10.5.8 Update: http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/macosx_updates/macosx1058comboupdate.html This Update takes a long time to install, my Combo Update took 22mins. The 10.5.8 Combo update seemed to hang at the 'one minute to go' mark and during the 'running installer script' scenario as well - this one for quite a while. I knew I had to wait wait, and it finally finished. I think I remember there was a double restart as well. Oh, and don't forget to Repair Permissions after the install. Cheers, Ronni On 07/08/2009, at 1:38 PM, Severin Crisp wrote: Thanks, David but still no joy! Severin On 07/08/2009, at 1:30 PM, David Noel wrote: FromDavid Noel lis...@aoi.com.au to WAMUG Mailing List wamug@wamug.org.au dateFri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:23 PM subject Re: Can not boot Hi Severin -- -- I just had a similar boot problem after installing 10.5.8. The installation procedure went fine, giving me the Restart button. When I pressed this, I just got the background picture with no top menu (although the dock showed), no response to clicking anything in the dock. Powering off and on my Intel iMac with the switch at the rear gave the grey screen and spinning cog you describe. -- I eventually got back on air by pulling out the power cord and replacing. I don't know why I had the problem, it may be connected with yours, maybe the same treatment may help? Cheers -- David Noel 2009 Aug 7 - Show quoted text - On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Severin Crispsevcr...@westnet.com.au wrote: My SP G5 1.8 will not boot. Sits at the grey screen with the apple and the spinning cog. Sequence leading up to this as follows Downloaded 1.5.8 and proceeded with install Instal went right to the end then came up with Install failed source file damaged would not then reboot since then I have run Disk Warrior ran to completion with minor errors only noted still no boot ran disk utility from leopard DVD. Completed repairs satisfactorily, it said then ran repair permissions, many changes but ok still will not boot zapped pram still will not boot though a folder icon now flashes up briefly before the apple and the cog goes on and on Help urgently needed -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Can not boot
One thing I didn't mention -- during the procedure, I had the OS X 10.5 install CD in the reader. David / Aug 7 === On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Severin Crispsevcr...@westnet.com.au wrote: Thanks, David but still no joy! Severin On 07/08/2009, at 1:30 PM, David Noel wrote: FromDavid Noel lis...@aoi.com.au to WAMUG Mailing List wamug@wamug.org.au dateFri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:23 PM subject Re: Can not boot Hi Severin -- -- I just had a similar boot problem after installing 10.5.8. The installation procedure went fine, giving me the Restart button. When I pressed this, I just got the background picture with no top menu (although the dock showed), no response to clicking anything in the dock. Powering off and on my Intel iMac with the switch at the rear gave the grey screen and spinning cog you describe. -- I eventually got back on air by pulling out the power cord and replacing. I don't know why I had the problem, it may be connected with yours, maybe the same treatment may help? Cheers -- David Noel 2009 Aug 7 - Show quoted text - On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Severin Crispsevcr...@westnet.com.au wrote: My SP G5 1.8 will not boot. Sits at the grey screen with the apple and the spinning cog. Sequence leading up to this as follows Downloaded 1.5.8 and proceeded with install Instal went right to the end then came up with Install failed source file damaged would not then reboot since then I have run Disk Warrior ran to completion with minor errors only noted still no boot ran disk utility from leopard DVD. Completed repairs satisfactorily, it said then ran repair permissions, many changes but ok still will not boot zapped pram still will not boot though a folder icon now flashes up briefly before the apple and the cog goes on and on Help urgently needed Assoc Professor R Severin Crisp, FIP, CPhys, FAIP 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia. Phone (08) 9842 1950 (Int'l +61 8 9842 1950) email mailto:sevcr...@westnet.com.au Web pages http://www.JennyCrisp.com.au http://members.westnet.com.au/Crisp -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au Reply Forward -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au ___ Jennifer A Crisp 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia. Phone (08) 9842 1950 (Int'l +61 8 9842 1950) email mailto:jennycr...@westnet.com.au Web page http://www.JennyCrisp.com.au _ -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Can not boot
Hi again Severin, On 07/08/2009, at 2:06 PM, Ronda Brown wrote: Hi Severin, Have you tried to boot up in safe mode (hold down shift key at boot). At the login screen click restart and see if the computer restarts normally? If you can get it to boot up, you might need to get rid of any of the 10.5.8 install and then download the Combo update and try again. But first check (if you can get it to boot) that the 10.5.8 install hasn't fully completed ... look under Apple About this Mac if it has 'Version 10.5.8' click on it see if it has Build 9L30. I forgot to type if you can boot up if above shows Version 10.5.8 is Build 9L30 , DON'T do the steps below. 1. In Finder - from the GO Menu choose Go To Folder 2. Type: /Library/Updates 3. Click GO. The /Library/Updates folder will open 4. Select all contents of this folder and move them to the Trash. Once the above steps are complete, download the Combo Update and install again. Mac OS X v10.5.8 Update: http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/macosx_updates/macosx1058comboupdate.html This Update takes a long time to install, my Combo Update took 22mins. The Repair Permissions took 22mins the actual update install took about 15-20mins to complete. The 10.5.8 Combo update seemed to hang at the 'one minute to go' mark and during the 'running installer script' scenario as well - this one for quite a while. I knew I had to wait wait, and it finally finished. I think I remember there was a double restart as well. Oh, and don't forget to Repair Permissions after the install. Cheers, Ronni On 07/08/2009, at 1:38 PM, Severin Crisp wrote: Thanks, David but still no joy! Severin On 07/08/2009, at 1:30 PM, David Noel wrote: FromDavid Noel lis...@aoi.com.au to WAMUG Mailing List wamug@wamug.org.au dateFri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:23 PM subject Re: Can not boot Hi Severin -- -- I just had a similar boot problem after installing 10.5.8. The installation procedure went fine, giving me the Restart button. When I pressed this, I just got the background picture with no top menu (although the dock showed), no response to clicking anything in the dock. Powering off and on my Intel iMac with the switch at the rear gave the grey screen and spinning cog you describe. -- I eventually got back on air by pulling out the power cord and replacing. I don't know why I had the problem, it may be connected with yours, maybe the same treatment may help? Cheers -- David Noel 2009 Aug 7 - Show quoted text - On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Severin Crispsevcr...@westnet.com.au wrote: My SP G5 1.8 will not boot. Sits at the grey screen with the apple and the spinning cog. Sequence leading up to this as follows Downloaded 1.5.8 and proceeded with install Instal went right to the end then came up with Install failed source file damaged would not then reboot since then I have run Disk Warrior ran to completion with minor errors only noted still no boot ran disk utility from leopard DVD. Completed repairs satisfactorily, it said then ran repair permissions, many changes but ok still will not boot zapped pram still will not boot though a folder icon now flashes up briefly before the apple and the cog goes on and on Help urgently needed -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Can not boot
If you can use Target disk mode to another mac use that mac to run a new download of Leopard Mac OSX 10.5.8 Combo update if it allows you to instal to your G5 Otherwise it is probably an archive and instal from Leopard disk followed by a new download of Leopard Mac OSX 10.5.8 Combo update ( PPC version ? ) Bob On 07/08/2009, at 12:11 PM, Severin Crisp wrote: My SP G5 1.8 will not boot. Sits at the grey screen with the apple and the spinning cog. Sequence leading up to this as follows Downloaded 1.5.8 and proceeded with install Instal went right to the end then came up with Install failed source file damaged would not then reboot since then I have run Disk Warrior ran to completion with minor errors only noted still no boot ran disk utility from leopard DVD. Completed repairs satisfactorily, it said then ran repair permissions, many changes but ok still will not boot zapped pram still will not boot though a folder icon now flashes up briefly before the apple and the cog goes on and on Help urgently needed Assoc Professor R Severin Crisp, FIP, CPhys, FAIP 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia. Phone (08) 9842 1950 (Int'l +61 8 9842 1950) email mailto:sevcr...@westnet.com.au Web pages http://www.JennyCrisp.com.au http://members.westnet.com.au/Crisp -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Can not boot
Thanks Robert, I was afraid of that. Both my other computers are Tiger, I dont know if that will be a problem Severin On 07/08/2009, at 12:27 PM, Robert Howells wrote: If you can use Target disk mode to another mac use that mac to run a new download of Leopard Mac OSX 10.5.8 Combo update if it allows you to instal to your G5 Otherwise it is probably an archive and instal from Leopard disk followed by a new download of Leopard Mac OSX 10.5.8 Combo update ( PPC version ? ) Bob On 07/08/2009, at 12:11 PM, Severin Crisp wrote: My SP G5 1.8 will not boot. Sits at the grey screen with the apple and the spinning cog. Sequence leading up to this as follows Downloaded 1.5.8 and proceeded with install Instal went right to the end then came up with Install failed source file damaged would not then reboot since then I have run Disk Warrior ran to completion with minor errors only noted still no boot ran disk utility from leopard DVD. Completed repairs satisfactorily, it said then ran repair permissions, many changes but ok still will not boot zapped pram still will not boot though a folder icon now flashes up briefly before the apple and the cog goes on and on Help urgently needed Assoc Professor R Severin Crisp, FIP, CPhys, FAIP 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia. Phone (08) 9842 1950 (Int'l +61 8 9842 1950) email mailto:sevcr...@westnet.com.au Web pages http://www.JennyCrisp.com.au http://members.westnet.com.au/Crisp -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au ___ Jennifer A Crisp 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia. Phone (08) 9842 1950 (Int'l +61 8 9842 1950) email mailto:jennycr...@westnet.com.au Web page http://www.JennyCrisp.com.au _ -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Can not boot
Hi Severin -- -- I just had a similar boot problem after installing 10.5.8. The installation procedure went fine, giving me the Restart button. When I pressed this, I just got the background picture with no top menu (although the dock showed), no response to clicking anything in the dock. Powering off and on my Intel iMac with the switch at the rear gave the grey screen and spinning cog you describe. -- I eventually got back on air by pulling out the power cord and replacing. I don't know why I had the problem, it may be connected with yours, maybe the same treatment may help? Cheers -- David Noel 2009 Aug 7 On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Severin Crispsevcr...@westnet.com.au wrote: My SP G5 1.8 will not boot. Sits at the grey screen with the apple and the spinning cog. Sequence leading up to this as follows Downloaded 1.5.8 and proceeded with install Instal went right to the end then came up with Install failed source file damaged would not then reboot since then I have run Disk Warrior ran to completion with minor errors only noted still no boot ran disk utility from leopard DVD. Completed repairs satisfactorily, it said then ran repair permissions, many changes but ok still will not boot zapped pram still will not boot though a folder icon now flashes up briefly before the apple and the cog goes on and on Help urgently needed Assoc Professor R Severin Crisp, FIP, CPhys, FAIP 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia. Phone (08) 9842 1950 (Int'l +61 8 9842 1950) email mailto:sevcr...@westnet.com.au Web pages http://www.JennyCrisp.com.au http://members.westnet.com.au/Crisp -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Can not boot
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:23 PM, David Noellis...@aoi.com.au wrote: Hi Severin -- -- I just had a similar boot problem after installing 10.5.8. The installation procedure went fine, giving me the Restart button. When I pressed this, I just got the background picture with no top menu (although the dock showed), no response to clicking anything in the dock. Powering off and on my Intel iMac with the switch at the rear gave the grey screen and spinning cog you describe. -- I eventually got back on air by pulling out the power cord and replacing. I don't know why I had the problem, it may be connected with yours, maybe the same treatment may help? Cheers -- David Noel 2009 Aug 7 On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Severin Crispsevcr...@westnet.com.au wrote: My SP G5 1.8 will not boot. Sits at the grey screen with the apple and the spinning cog. Sequence leading up to this as follows Downloaded 1.5.8 and proceeded with install Instal went right to the end then came up with Install failed source file damaged would not then reboot since then I have run Disk Warrior ran to completion with minor errors only noted still no boot ran disk utility from leopard DVD. Completed repairs satisfactorily, it said then ran repair permissions, many changes but ok still will not boot zapped pram still will not boot though a folder icon now flashes up briefly before the apple and the cog goes on and on Help urgently needed Assoc Professor R Severin Crisp, FIP, CPhys, FAIP 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia. Phone (08) 9842 1950 (Int'l +61 8 9842 1950) email mailto:sevcr...@westnet.com.au Web pages http://www.JennyCrisp.com.au http://members.westnet.com.au/Crisp -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Can not boot
FromDavid Noel lis...@aoi.com.au to WAMUG Mailing List wamug@wamug.org.au dateFri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:23 PM subject Re: Can not boot Hi Severin -- -- I just had a similar boot problem after installing 10.5.8. The installation procedure went fine, giving me the Restart button. When I pressed this, I just got the background picture with no top menu (although the dock showed), no response to clicking anything in the dock. Powering off and on my Intel iMac with the switch at the rear gave the grey screen and spinning cog you describe. -- I eventually got back on air by pulling out the power cord and replacing. I don't know why I had the problem, it may be connected with yours, maybe the same treatment may help? Cheers -- David Noel 2009 Aug 7 - Show quoted text - On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Severin Crispsevcr...@westnet.com.au wrote: My SP G5 1.8 will not boot. Sits at the grey screen with the apple and the spinning cog. Sequence leading up to this as follows Downloaded 1.5.8 and proceeded with install Instal went right to the end then came up with Install failed source file damaged would not then reboot since then I have run Disk Warrior ran to completion with minor errors only noted still no boot ran disk utility from leopard DVD. Completed repairs satisfactorily, it said then ran repair permissions, many changes but ok still will not boot zapped pram still will not boot though a folder icon now flashes up briefly before the apple and the cog goes on and on Help urgently needed Assoc Professor R Severin Crisp, FIP, CPhys, FAIP 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia. Phone (08) 9842 1950 (Int'l +61 8 9842 1950) email mailto:sevcr...@westnet.com.au Web pages http://www.JennyCrisp.com.au http://members.westnet.com.au/Crisp -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au Reply Forward -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Can not boot
Thanks, David but still no joy! Severin On 07/08/2009, at 1:30 PM, David Noel wrote: FromDavid Noel lis...@aoi.com.au to WAMUG Mailing List wamug@wamug.org.au dateFri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:23 PM subject Re: Can not boot Hi Severin -- -- I just had a similar boot problem after installing 10.5.8. The installation procedure went fine, giving me the Restart button. When I pressed this, I just got the background picture with no top menu (although the dock showed), no response to clicking anything in the dock. Powering off and on my Intel iMac with the switch at the rear gave the grey screen and spinning cog you describe. -- I eventually got back on air by pulling out the power cord and replacing. I don't know why I had the problem, it may be connected with yours, maybe the same treatment may help? Cheers -- David Noel 2009 Aug 7 - Show quoted text - On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Severin Crispsevcr...@westnet.com.au wrote: My SP G5 1.8 will not boot. Sits at the grey screen with the apple and the spinning cog. Sequence leading up to this as follows Downloaded 1.5.8 and proceeded with install Instal went right to the end then came up with Install failed source file damaged would not then reboot since then I have run Disk Warrior ran to completion with minor errors only noted still no boot ran disk utility from leopard DVD. Completed repairs satisfactorily, it said then ran repair permissions, many changes but ok still will not boot zapped pram still will not boot though a folder icon now flashes up briefly before the apple and the cog goes on and on Help urgently needed Assoc Professor R Severin Crisp, FIP, CPhys, FAIP 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia. Phone (08) 9842 1950 (Int'l +61 8 9842 1950) email mailto:sevcr...@westnet.com.au Web pages http://www.JennyCrisp.com.au http://members.westnet.com.au/Crisp -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au Reply Forward -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au ___ Jennifer A Crisp 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia. Phone (08) 9842 1950 (Int'l +61 8 9842 1950) email mailto:jennycr...@westnet.com.au Web page http://www.JennyCrisp.com.au _ -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
Re: Can not boot
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:23 PM, David Noellis...@aoi.com.au wrote: Hi Severin -- -- I just had a similar boot problem after installing 10.5.8. The installation procedure went fine, giving me the Restart button. When I pressed this, I just got the background picture with no top menu (although the dock showed), no response to clicking anything in the dock. Powering off and on my Intel iMac with the switch at the rear gave the grey screen and spinning cog you describe. -- I eventually got back on air by pulling out the power cord and replacing. I don't know why I had the problem, it may be connected with yours, maybe the same treatment may help? Cheers -- David Noel 2009 Aug 7 On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Severin Crispsevcr...@westnet.com.au wrote: My SP G5 1.8 will not boot. Sits at the grey screen with the apple and the spinning cog. Sequence leading up to this as follows Downloaded 1.5.8 and proceeded with install Instal went right to the end then came up with Install failed source file damaged would not then reboot since then I have run Disk Warrior ran to completion with minor errors only noted still no boot ran disk utility from leopard DVD. Completed repairs satisfactorily, it said then ran repair permissions, many changes but ok still will not boot zapped pram still will not boot though a folder icon now flashes up briefly before the apple and the cog goes on and on Help urgently needed Assoc Professor R Severin Crisp, FIP, CPhys, FAIP 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia. Phone (08) 9842 1950 (Int'l +61 8 9842 1950) email mailto:sevcr...@westnet.com.au Web pages http://www.JennyCrisp.com.au http://members.westnet.com.au/Crisp -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:wamug-unsubscr...@wamug.org.au
