Re: Test Message

[Ronni Brown]

Hi David,

Because I had sent the email To: Paul Willemse email address and Cc:  WAMUG 
email address.
Your rule picked up the TO: Address which was Paul's email address therefore 
the message appeared in your Inbox instead of your WAMUG Mailbox.

Your Rule would be set for messages From & To: contains WAMUG email address & 
Perform the following actions:  'Move Message to your WAMUG Mailbox.

Cheers,
Ronni

On 15 Nov 2013, at 4:38 pm, David Nicholas  wrote:

> Hi Ronni
> 
> I received this mail on my main mail window, not the WAMUG folder.
> 
> That's the first time I think this has occurred.  Is there a reason?
> 
> Curious
> David
> 
> On 15/11/2013, at 2:53 PM, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Paul,
>> 
>> As I sent my previous reply to WAMUG & also CCd you; I will also CC this 
>> reply to WAMUG. 
>> 
>> You can see your messages and replies to messages on the WAMUG Mailing list 
>> Archives?
>> 
>> 
>>> BTW The headers on the message you send directly to p...@thelink.to has no 
>>> such headers at all. Apparently only those that pass through WAMUG have 
>>> that header.
>> 
>> NO... All emails have Headers. Your reply to me 'Offlist' has 'Headers' & 
>> 'All Headers'. 
>> Normally you would not see the 'All Headers", as the default headers only 
>> show the from Address & To Address and Subject.
>> To show  All Headers you have to Go to View > Message > All Headers.
>> 
>>> Is it possible that the "suspectscore=4" is added at the WAMUG server and 
>>> prevents stops the email from being send?
>> 
>> NO -  I receive the same header from any emails sent to me, not only WAMUG 
>> Mailing list messages.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> On 15 Nov 2013, at 2:18 pm, Paul Willemse  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Ronni,
>>> 
>>> The suspectscore=4 corresponds to what I saw on my status for suspected 
>>> bounces when I checked at 
>>> 
>>> http://lists.wamug.org.au/options/wamug.org.au-wamug/pjw%40thelink.to
>>> 
>>> There the following message was shown:
>>> 
>>> "We have received some recent bounces from your address. Your current 
>>> bounce score is 4.0 out of a maximum of 5.0. Please double check that your 
>>> subscribed address is correct and that there are no problems with delivery 
>>> to this address. Your bounce score will be automatically reset if the 
>>> problems are corrected soon."
>>> 
>>> It would appear to be added at the list end. I do not use an ISP, I run my 
>>> own email server on a Mac Mini in Perth. No header is ever added there. The 
>>> server (EIMS 3.3) has been running for more than 5 years unchanged and 
>>> unmodified.
>>> 
>>> Now I can not enter that page anymore as Daniel made some changes and I can 
>>> not get the new password. The WAMUG server says the new password has been 
>>> emailed but it never arrives.
>>> 
>>> Is it possible that the "suspectscore=4" is added at the WAMUG server and 
>>> prevents stops the email from being send?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Paul
>>> 
>>> BTW The headers on the message you send directly to p...@thelink.to has no 
>>> such headers at all. Apparently only those that pass through WAMUG have 
>>> that header.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 15 Nov, 2013, at 13:52 :39, Ronni Brown  wrote: 
>>> 
 Hi Paul,
 
 I would suspect the problem is not with the WAMUG Mailing List but at your 
 end. 
 Either on your Mail Server (ISP Server Spam filter)...  or a setting in 
 your Apple Mail... (a Rule or a Junk Mail setting)
 
 I had a look at  "All Headers" on your message that does appear on WAMUG 
 Mailing List , then compared the All Headers to my message that appears on 
 WAMUG Mailing List for any differences.
 
 I found a difference in your X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: 
 
 Paul Willemse  - email ‘View > Message > All Headers’
 
 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 
 suspectscore=4 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam 
 adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-130828 
 definitions=main-1311140189
 
 suspectscore=4 
 
 Ronni Brown  - email ‘View > Message > All Headers’
 
 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 
 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam 
 adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-130828 
 definitions=main-1311140165
 
 suspectscore=2 
 
 Whether this has anything to do with you not seeing your emails come into 
 your Inbox from the Mailing List, or if you have setup a Rule for WAMUG 
 messages to go into a Mailbox named WAMUG (as I do) in that Mailbox.
 
 Your messages to the list are showing "Onlist" and in the "Archives".
 So the problem I would suggest will be at your end.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt"
 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
 
 OS X 10.9 Mavericks
 

Re: Test Message

[David Nicholas]

Hi Ronni

I received this mail on my main mail window, not the WAMUG folder.

That's the first time I think this has occurred.  Is there a reason?

Curious
David

On 15/11/2013, at 2:53 PM, Ronni Brown  wrote:

> Hi Paul,
> 
> As I sent my previous reply to WAMUG & also CCd you; I will also CC this 
> reply to WAMUG. 
> 
> You can see your messages and replies to messages on the WAMUG Mailing list 
> Archives?
> 
> 
>> BTW The headers on the message you send directly to p...@thelink.to has no 
>> such headers at all. Apparently only those that pass through WAMUG have that 
>> header.
> 
> NO... All emails have Headers. Your reply to me 'Offlist' has 'Headers' & 
> 'All Headers'. 
> Normally you would not see the 'All Headers", as the default headers only 
> show the from Address & To Address and Subject.
> To show  All Headers you have to Go to View > Message > All Headers.
> 
>> Is it possible that the "suspectscore=4" is added at the WAMUG server and 
>> prevents stops the email from being send?
> 
> NO -  I receive the same header from any emails sent to me, not only WAMUG 
> Mailing list messages.
> 
> Regards,
> Ronni
> 
> On 15 Nov 2013, at 2:18 pm, Paul Willemse  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ronni,
>> 
>> The suspectscore=4 corresponds to what I saw on my status for suspected 
>> bounces when I checked at 
>> 
>> http://lists.wamug.org.au/options/wamug.org.au-wamug/pjw%40thelink.to
>> 
>> There the following message was shown:
>> 
>> "We have received some recent bounces from your address. Your current bounce 
>> score is 4.0 out of a maximum of 5.0. Please double check that your 
>> subscribed address is correct and that there are no problems with delivery 
>> to this address. Your bounce score will be automatically reset if the 
>> problems are corrected soon."
>> 
>> It would appear to be added at the list end. I do not use an ISP, I run my 
>> own email server on a Mac Mini in Perth. No header is ever added there. The 
>> server (EIMS 3.3) has been running for more than 5 years unchanged and 
>> unmodified.
>> 
>> Now I can not enter that page anymore as Daniel made some changes and I can 
>> not get the new password. The WAMUG server says the new password has been 
>> emailed but it never arrives.
>> 
>> Is it possible that the "suspectscore=4" is added at the WAMUG server and 
>> prevents stops the email from being send?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>> BTW The headers on the message you send directly to p...@thelink.to has no 
>> such headers at all. Apparently only those that pass through WAMUG have that 
>> header.
>> 
>> 
>> On 15 Nov, 2013, at 13:52 :39, Ronni Brown  wrote: 
>> 
>>> Hi Paul,
>>> 
>>> I would suspect the problem is not with the WAMUG Mailing List but at your 
>>> end. 
>>> Either on your Mail Server (ISP Server Spam filter)...  or a setting in 
>>> your Apple Mail... (a Rule or a Junk Mail setting)
>>> 
>>> I had a look at  "All Headers" on your message that does appear on WAMUG 
>>> Mailing List , then compared the All Headers to my message that appears on 
>>> WAMUG Mailing List for any differences.
>>> 
>>> I found a difference in your X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: 
>>> 
>>> Paul Willemse  - email ‘View > Message > All Headers’
>>> 
>>> X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 
>>> suspectscore=4 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam 
>>> adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-130828 
>>> definitions=main-1311140189
>>> 
>>> suspectscore=4 
>>> 
>>> Ronni Brown  - email ‘View > Message > All Headers’
>>> 
>>> X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 
>>> suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam 
>>> adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-130828 
>>> definitions=main-1311140165
>>> 
>>> suspectscore=2 
>>> 
>>> Whether this has anything to do with you not seeing your emails come into 
>>> your Inbox from the Mailing List, or if you have setup a Rule for WAMUG 
>>> messages to go into a Mailbox named WAMUG (as I do) in that Mailbox.
>>> 
>>> Your messages to the list are showing "Onlist" and in the "Archives".
>>> So the problem I would suggest will be at your end.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>> 17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt"
>>> 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
>>> 
>>> OS X 10.9 Mavericks
>>> Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 15 Nov 2013, at 8:26 am, Paul Willemse  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi All,
 
 Have had some problems with accessing the list, this is a test.
 
 Regards,
 
 Paul
>>> 
>> 
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Re: Test Message

[Daniel Kerr]

I've sent a reply off list with more info in regards to this also.

Kind regards
Daniel

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On 15/11/2013, at 4:02 PM, Ronni Brown  wrote:

> Hi Paul,
> 
> I will reply to you first, and then I will also reply to WAMUG so they are 
> kept up-to-date with the issue.
> 
> On 15 Nov 2013, at 3:25 pm, Paul Willemse  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ronni, 
>> 
>> Sorry, I was not too clear in explaining what I was looking at. This is the 
>> part of the header I have in front of me now from your latest message:
>> 
>> "X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 
>> suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam 
>> adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-130828 
>> definitions=main-1311140284"
> 
> Yes, that is what I see in the "All Headers' from your email.
>> 
>> Again to be clear, all email I get, and that includes all the status 
>> messages from the various servers I operate, come through with no problem. I 
>> may receive as many as 150 messages daily depending on what the several 
>> servers are doing. I can email to myself from any of my other accounts with 
>> no problems at all.
> 
> Similar to the amount of emails I receive daily.
>> 
>> When I go directly to WAMUG to get my password emailed to me it states the 
>> email has gone out yet it never arrives. I can watch the email server from 
>> here and there is no access at all from WAMUG.
> 
> You have a problem receiving WAMUG emails, something is blocking WAMUG emails 
> to you. If you can't see them on your Mail Server they are getting blocked 
> before they reach your server?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Ronni
> 
>> 
>> .
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>> 
>> On 15 Nov, 2013, at 14:53 :50, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Paul,
>>> 
>>> As I sent my previous reply to WAMUG & also CCd you; I will also CC this 
>>> reply to WAMUG. 
>>> 
>>> You can see your messages and replies to messages on the WAMUG Mailing list 
>>> Archives?
>>> 
>>> 
 BTW The headers on the message you send directly to p...@thelink.to has no 
 such headers at all. Apparently only those that pass through WAMUG have 
 that header.
>>> 
>>> NO... All emails have Headers. Your reply to me 'Offlist' has 'Headers' & 
>>> 'All Headers'. 
>>> Normally you would not see the 'All Headers", as the default headers only 
>>> show the from Address & To Address and Subject.
>>> To show  All Headers you have to Go to View > Message > All Headers.
>>> 
 Is it possible that the "suspectscore=4" is added at the WAMUG server and 
 prevents stops the email from being send?
>>> 
>>> NO -  I receive the same header from any emails sent to me, not only WAMUG 
>>> Mailing list messages.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>> 
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Re: Test Message

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Paul,

I will reply to you first, and then I will also reply to WAMUG so they are kept 
up-to-date with the issue.

On 15 Nov 2013, at 3:25 pm, Paul Willemse  wrote:

> Hi Ronni, 
> 
> Sorry, I was not too clear in explaining what I was looking at. This is the 
> part of the header I have in front of me now from your latest message:
> 
> "X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 
> suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 
> reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-130828 definitions=main-1311140284"

Yes, that is what I see in the "All Headers' from your email.
> 
> Again to be clear, all email I get, and that includes all the status messages 
> from the various servers I operate, come through with no problem. I may 
> receive as many as 150 messages daily depending on what the several servers 
> are doing. I can email to myself from any of my other accounts with no 
> problems at all.

Similar to the amount of emails I receive daily.
> 
> When I go directly to WAMUG to get my password emailed to me it states the 
> email has gone out yet it never arrives. I can watch the email server from 
> here and there is no access at all from WAMUG.

You have a problem receiving WAMUG emails, something is blocking WAMUG emails 
to you. If you can't see them on your Mail Server they are getting blocked 
before they reach your server?

Regards,

Ronni

> 
> .
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> On 15 Nov, 2013, at 14:53 :50, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Paul,
>> 
>> As I sent my previous reply to WAMUG & also CCd you; I will also CC this 
>> reply to WAMUG. 
>> 
>> You can see your messages and replies to messages on the WAMUG Mailing list 
>> Archives?
>> 
>> 
>>> BTW The headers on the message you send directly to p...@thelink.to has no 
>>> such headers at all. Apparently only those that pass through WAMUG have 
>>> that header.
>> 
>> NO... All emails have Headers. Your reply to me 'Offlist' has 'Headers' & 
>> 'All Headers'. 
>> Normally you would not see the 'All Headers", as the default headers only 
>> show the from Address & To Address and Subject.
>> To show  All Headers you have to Go to View > Message > All Headers.
>> 
>>> Is it possible that the "suspectscore=4" is added at the WAMUG server and 
>>> prevents stops the email from being send?
>> 
>> NO -  I receive the same header from any emails sent to me, not only WAMUG 
>> Mailing list messages.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Ronni
>> 
> 

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Re: Test Message

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Paul,

As I sent my previous reply to WAMUG & also CCd you; I will also CC this reply 
to WAMUG. 

You can see your messages and replies to messages on the WAMUG Mailing list 
Archives?


> BTW The headers on the message you send directly to p...@thelink.to has no 
> such headers at all. Apparently only those that pass through WAMUG have that 
> header.

NO... All emails have Headers. Your reply to me 'Offlist' has 'Headers' & 'All 
Headers'. 
Normally you would not see the 'All Headers", as the default headers only show 
the from Address & To Address and Subject.
To show  All Headers you have to Go to View > Message > All Headers.

> Is it possible that the "suspectscore=4" is added at the WAMUG server and 
> prevents stops the email from being send?

NO -  I receive the same header from any emails sent to me, not only WAMUG 
Mailing list messages.

Regards,
Ronni

On 15 Nov 2013, at 2:18 pm, Paul Willemse  wrote:

> Hi Ronni,
> 
> The suspectscore=4 corresponds to what I saw on my status for suspected 
> bounces when I checked at 
> 
> http://lists.wamug.org.au/options/wamug.org.au-wamug/pjw%40thelink.to
> 
> There the following message was shown:
> 
> "We have received some recent bounces from your address. Your current bounce 
> score is 4.0 out of a maximum of 5.0. Please double check that your 
> subscribed address is correct and that there are no problems with delivery to 
> this address. Your bounce score will be automatically reset if the problems 
> are corrected soon."
> 
> It would appear to be added at the list end. I do not use an ISP, I run my 
> own email server on a Mac Mini in Perth. No header is ever added there. The 
> server (EIMS 3.3) has been running for more than 5 years unchanged and 
> unmodified.
> 
> Now I can not enter that page anymore as Daniel made some changes and I can 
> not get the new password. The WAMUG server says the new password has been 
> emailed but it never arrives.
> 
> Is it possible that the "suspectscore=4" is added at the WAMUG server and 
> prevents stops the email from being send?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Paul
> 
> BTW The headers on the message you send directly to p...@thelink.to has no 
> such headers at all. Apparently only those that pass through WAMUG have that 
> header.
> 
> 
> On 15 Nov, 2013, at 13:52 :39, Ronni Brown  wrote: 
> 
>> Hi Paul,
>> 
>> I would suspect the problem is not with the WAMUG Mailing List but at your 
>> end. 
>> Either on your Mail Server (ISP Server Spam filter)...  or a setting in your 
>> Apple Mail... (a Rule or a Junk Mail setting)
>> 
>> I had a look at  "All Headers" on your message that does appear on WAMUG 
>> Mailing List , then compared the All Headers to my message that appears on 
>> WAMUG Mailing List for any differences.
>> 
>> I found a difference in your X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: 
>> 
>> Paul Willemse  - email ‘View > Message > All Headers’
>> 
>> X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 
>> suspectscore=4 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam 
>> adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-130828 
>> definitions=main-1311140189
>> 
>> suspectscore=4 
>> 
>> Ronni Brown  - email ‘View > Message > All Headers’
>> 
>> X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 
>> suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam 
>> adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-130828 
>> definitions=main-1311140165
>> 
>> suspectscore=2 
>> 
>> Whether this has anything to do with you not seeing your emails come into 
>> your Inbox from the Mailing List, or if you have setup a Rule for WAMUG 
>> messages to go into a Mailbox named WAMUG (as I do) in that Mailbox.
>> 
>> Your messages to the list are showing "Onlist" and in the "Archives".
>> So the problem I would suggest will be at your end.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> 17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt"
>> 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
>> 
>> OS X 10.9 Mavericks
>> Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
>> 
>> 
>> On 15 Nov 2013, at 8:26 am, Paul Willemse  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> Have had some problems with accessing the list, this is a test.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Paul
>> 
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Re: Test Message

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Paul,

I would suspect the problem is not with the WAMUG Mailing List but at your end. 
Either on your Mail Server (ISP Server Spam filter)...  or a setting in your 
Apple Mail... (a Rule or a Junk Mail setting)

I had a look at  "All Headers" on your message that does appear on WAMUG 
Mailing List , then compared the All Headers to my message that appears on 
WAMUG Mailing List for any differences.

I found a difference in your X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: 

Paul Willemse  - email ‘View > Message > All Headers’

X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 
suspectscore=4 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 
reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-130828 definitions=main-1311140189

suspectscore=4 

Ronni Brown  - email ‘View > Message > All Headers’

X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 
suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 
reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-130828 definitions=main-1311140165

suspectscore=2 

Whether this has anything to do with you not seeing your emails come into your 
Inbox from the Mailing List, or if you have setup a Rule for WAMUG messages to 
go into a Mailbox named WAMUG (as I do) in that Mailbox.

Your messages to the list are showing "Onlist" and in the "Archives".
So the problem I would suggest will be at your end.

Cheers,
Ronni

17" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt"
2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD

OS X 10.9 Mavericks
Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)


On 15 Nov 2013, at 8:26 am, Paul Willemse  wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> Have had some problems with accessing the list, this is a test.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Paul

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Re: Test Message

[Mike Murray]

Coming through loud and clear
Mike
On 15 Nov 2013, at 10:16 am, Paul Willemse  wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> Have had some problems with accessing the list, this is a test.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Paul
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Re: Test message

[Alex Novakovic]

everything is running swimmingly in the mac world :)

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But it wasn't in my WAMUG mailing list world! I had been receiving 
emails from the list for a while but not been able to reply to the 
list.  This seems to have been rectified now.


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