Re: Who framed Safari

[hinchlif]

On Thursday, January 9, 2003, at 01:03 PM, Anthony Briggs wrote:

>
>
> Some sites check what browser you're running, and refer you to a
> "your browser does not support blah blah blah" page if you don't have
> the 'right' browser (usually IE). There's usually an option somewhere
> in the preferences to allow you to masquerade as IE.
>
> Anthony
>

Check out Safari Enhance in today's VersionTracker. It apparently (I 
have downloaded but not tried it yet) exposes several of Safari's 
features which are hidden in the beta version, including the ability to 
allow Safari to masquerade as another browser. It also allows importing 
bookmarks from other browsers, including Mozilla/Netscape.

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Re: Who framed Safari

[subscriptions]

Greg Hosking wrote:
> iCab has a little smiley face that only smiles when it detects HTML code
> that conforms to the HTML standards. The whole time I used iCab (about a
> year) , I never saw it smile once 

www.gpafterhours.com
www.icab.de

and... I'm sure there must be some others around here somewhere...

Lara

Re: Who framed Safari

[Anthony Briggs]

At 9:55 AM +0800 9/1/03, David Chandler wrote:

Hi Wamuggers,
just downloaded Safari and was "being ware" of the problems with banks
etc. The problem extends to Uni's I am afraid. More specifically UWA
admin web interface (CONCEPT). I had a look at the source for the page
that would not load and got this:


Web Self Service


This application uses HTML Frames. Your browser does not support this
functionality. You will need to upgrade your browser if
you want to use
this application.

etc etc


I don't think that it's Safari doing that. If it were, you'd still be 
able to see the frames in the source, it just wouldn't display 
properly. The issue is likely to be on the server end.


Some sites check what browser you're running, and refer you to a 
"your browser does not support blah blah blah" page if you don't have 
the 'right' browser (usually IE). There's usually an option somewhere 
in the preferences to allow you to masquerade as IE.


Anthony
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Re: Who framed Safari

[Greg Hosking]

David, the code you have posted is just the code for the "frameset" page.
other pages are loaded into this pages' frames so that each frame can be
navigated independantly (typically a navigation frame & a main frame)

the real nuts & bolts of the site will take place on the other pages which
are loaded into the frames. (if you want to view the code of the individual
frame, control click & select 'view framesource' in IE, no doubt something
similar in Safari)

Frames have been around since netscape 2.0... I seriously doubt there are
any frame issues in Safari (though I havent used it). More likely there is
some javascript or other code or script that is tripping up Safari.

Remember that M$ implement all sorts of proprietry features in their
browser, and developers jump on them immediately with the rationale that
"most people use IE on windows, so if it works with that, fine, we'll go
with it". Not to mention the same thing with 3rd parties...

iCab has a little smiley face that only smiles when it detects HTML code
that conforms to the HTML standards. The whole time I used iCab (about a
year) , I never saw it smile once if code writing is so wild in a
protocol as simple as HTML, imagine the permutations of all the other
languages & scripts doing the rounds at the moment

spooky!

food for thought I guess
Greg


> Hi Wamuggers,
> just downloaded Safari and was "being ware" of the problems with banks
> etc. The problem extends to Uni's I am afraid. More specifically UWA
> admin web interface (CONCEPT). I had a look at the source for the page
> that would not load and got this:
> 
> 
> Web Self Service
> 
> 
> This application uses HTML Frames. Your browser does not support this
> functionality. You will need to upgrade your browser if
> you want to use
> this application.
> 
> etc etc
> 
> With this in mind I checked the Bankwest pages, again more problems,
> and again a frame heavy site. Is this a general frame handling problem
> in Safari or dodgy programming on the part of the page designers?
> Luckily my science related sites are low on frames and so far I have
> not had any problems with them, in fact I have already seen a marked
> speed increase over IE and netscape.
> 
> Dave
> 
> PS: I still think ibrowse is a better name and I liked the inote, Reg
> :-)
> 
> 
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Re: Who framed Safari

[David Chandler]

On Thursday, January 9, 2003, at 10:18 AM, Steve Fellows wrote:


Hmmm

we use CONCEPT here at Murdoch as well, and it loads fine but doesnt 
run the
Java classes required for navigation, so you can get in, but not 
around or

out.


So is this a bug or just an added level of functionality we should ask 
apple for?




At least Netbank (CBA) works, and my Aussie Home loans mortgage page, 
but

then they are mostly plain https stuff.

One quirky thing i have seen is the cursor dissappears after playing 
with
thte bookmarks, and either turns invisible or just doesnt change to 
the hand

when over a link.

can be spooky when you cant find your cursor on a fullscreen link


I have not lost my cursor yet (fingers crossed)



sTEVE


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From: David Chandler
Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2003 9:55 AM
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Subject: Who framed Safari

Hi Wamuggers,
just downloaded Safari and was "being ware" of the problems with banks
etc. The problem extends to Uni's I am afraid. More specifically UWA
admin web interface (CONCEPT). I had a look at the source for the 
page

that would not load and got this:


Web Self Service


This application uses HTML Frames. Your browser does not support this
functionality. You will need to upgrade your browser if
you want to use
this application.

etc etc

With this in mind I checked the Bankwest pages, again more problems,
and again a frame heavy site. Is this a general frame handling 
problem

in Safari or dodgy programming on the part of the page designers?
Luckily my science related sites are low on frames and so far I have
not had any problems with them, in fact I have already seen a marked
speed increase over IE and netscape.

Dave

PS: I still think ibrowse is a better name and I liked the inote, Reg
:-)



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Re: Who framed Safari

[Stuart Elvish]

Having a look at what you said, there seems to be no problem running 
frames web sites within Safari (see www.theaussiepostie.com for an 
example of a site that uses frames and loads successfully). I don't 
know if you copied all the code correctly, but there are several pieces 
of code missing, like URL's for the frames. Below is a sample code of 
what it should look like (assuming that everybody does the same as me).





content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1">


Web Self Service











Obviously you can play around with the code a bit more.
Cheers

On Thursday, Jan 9, 2003, at 09:55 Australia/Perth, David Chandler 
wrote:



Hi Wamuggers,
just downloaded Safari and was "being ware" of the problems with banks
etc. The problem extends to Uni's I am afraid. More specifically UWA
admin web interface (CONCEPT). I had a look at the source for the page
that would not load and got this:


Web Self Service


This application uses HTML Frames. Your browser does not support this
functionality. You will need to upgrade your browser if
you want to use
this application.

etc etc

With this in mind I checked the Bankwest pages, again more problems,
and again a frame heavy site. Is this a general frame handling problem
in Safari or dodgy programming on the part of the page designers?
Luckily my science related sites are low on frames and so far I have
not had any problems with them, in fact I have already seen a marked
speed increase over IE and netscape.

Dave

PS: I still think ibrowse is a better name and I liked the inote, Reg
:-)



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RE: Who framed Safari

[Steve Fellows]

Hmmm

we use CONCEPT here at Murdoch as well, and it loads fine but doesnt run the
Java classes required for navigation, so you can get in, but not around or
out.

At least Netbank (CBA) works, and my Aussie Home loans mortgage page, but
then they are mostly plain https stuff.

One quirky thing i have seen is the cursor dissappears after playing with
thte bookmarks, and either turns invisible or just doesnt change to the hand
when over a link.

can be spooky when you cant find your cursor on a fullscreen link

sTEVE

> --
> From: David Chandler
> Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2003 9:55 AM
> To: WAMUG General
> Subject: Who framed Safari
> 
> Hi Wamuggers,
> just downloaded Safari and was "being ware" of the problems with banks 
> etc. The problem extends to Uni's I am afraid. More specifically UWA 
> admin web interface (CONCEPT). I had a look at the source for the page 
> that would not load and got this:
> 
> 
> Web Self Service
> 
> 
> This application uses HTML Frames. Your browser does not support this
> functionality. You will need to upgrade your browser if 
> you want to use
> this application.
> 
> etc etc
> 
> With this in mind I checked the Bankwest pages, again more problems, 
> and again a frame heavy site. Is this a general frame handling problem 
> in Safari or dodgy programming on the part of the page designers?
> Luckily my science related sites are low on frames and so far I have 
> not had any problems with them, in fact I have already seen a marked 
> speed increase over IE and netscape.
> 
> Dave
> 
> PS: I still think ibrowse is a better name and I liked the inote, Reg 
> :-)
> 
> 
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Re: Who framed Safari

[Rod Lavington]

Dave

PS: I still think ibrowse is a better name and I liked the inote, Reg
:-)



Well. Apple will never use iBrowse because iBrowse is a browser 
for the Amiga (and has been for quite some time!). Unless they buy 
the company who makes it, of course!


Seeya

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Re: Who framed Safari

[David Chandler]

Hi Stuart,
I left out the extra stuff (included below) as I thought the important 
part was the ".your browser does not support frames..." message. I 
checked the site you mentioned and it works fine (shrug). Does this 
mean you write give good frame and the writer of CONCEPT does not?

Dave



Web Self Service


This application uses HTML Frames. Your browser does not support this
functionality. You will need to upgrade your browser if 
you want to use

this application.

MARGINHEIGHT="0" SCROLLING="no" NORESIZE>


MARGINHEIGHT="0" SCROLLING="no" NORESIZE>
MARGINHEIGHT="0" SCROLLING="auto" NORESIZE>





On Thursday, January 9, 2003, at 10:07 AM, Stuart Elvish wrote:

Having a look at what you said, there seems to be no problem running 
frames web sites within Safari (see www.theaussiepostie.com for an 
example of a site that uses frames and loads successfully). I don't 
know if you copied all the code correctly, but there are several 
pieces of code missing, like URL's for the frames. Below is a sample 
code of what it should look like (assuming that everybody does the 
same as me).





content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1">


Web Self Service











Obviously you can play around with the code a bit more.
Cheers

On Thursday, Jan 9, 2003, at 09:55 Australia/Perth, David Chandler 
wrote:



Hi Wamuggers,
just downloaded Safari and was "being ware" of the problems with banks
etc. The problem extends to Uni's I am afraid. More specifically UWA
admin web interface (CONCEPT). I had a look at the source for the 
page

that would not load and got this:


Web Self Service


This application uses HTML Frames. Your browser does not support this
functionality. You will need to upgrade your browser if
you want to use
this application.

etc etc

With this in mind I checked the Bankwest pages, again more problems,
and again a frame heavy site. Is this a general frame handling 
problem

in Safari or dodgy programming on the part of the page designers?
Luckily my science related sites are low on frames and so far I have
not had any problems with them, in fact I have already seen a marked
speed increase over IE and netscape.

Dave

PS: I still think ibrowse is a better name and I liked the inote, Reg
:-)



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