Re: Terminal FTP
Open a terminal window and type Man FTP. Or get a copy of ManOpen from versiontracker.com and read it that way. You know that if you use a web browser like safari you can log into an FTP server and the disk of the server mounts like a network drive. Haven't tried to do anything useful that was but it's interesting. Rob Could someone please tell me how I can use the terminal for ftp uploading to a server for a web page? I don't really have a great deal of money to throw around at shareware products here and there and it's difficult to find a reliable freeware ftp client. For what I want to do it would work well and I'm sure it would be very reliable.
Re: Terminal FTP
That would be cool but the directory is set up as http. I don't really know all that much about this. Perhaps there is a way to access via the browser using an ftp directory but I'm not aware of it. Thanks for the help with the terminal though I'll have a crack at it. Ruben A. Franke Open a terminal window and type Man FTP. Or get a copy of ManOpen from versiontracker.com and read it that way. You know that if you use a web browser like safari you can log into an FTP server and the disk of the server mounts like a network drive. Haven't tried to do anything useful that was but it's interesting. Rob Could someone please tell me how I can use the terminal for ftp uploading to a server for a web page? I don't really have a great deal of money to throw around at shareware products here and there and it's difficult to find a reliable freeware ftp client. For what I want to do it would work well and I'm sure it would be very reliable. -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro
Re: Terminal FTP
Could someone please tell me how I can use the terminal for ftp uploading to a server for a web page? I don't really have a great deal of money to throw around at shareware products here and there and it's difficult to find a reliable freeware ftp client. I know. And even reliable Shareware ones seem hard to find... version 2 of 'Anarchie' was the best I've ever used, still. Shame they don't sell it anymore... 'Transmit' is very good, if a little unfinished around some edges, but at US$25 is a bit expensive for casual (student) usage. For what I want to do it would work well and I'm sure it would be very reliable. Assuming you're moderately comfortable with the terminal already, try reading through this document: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/FTP.html Section 4.2 describes with the ftp client included with OS X, I _think_. But they're all pretty much the same. With web sites, always remember to upload txt/html/php/php4 files as ascii, and other stuff like movies and pictures as binary. Typing 'ascii' or 'binary' at the ftp prompt sets this. Default is binary. Also, typing '?' at the ftp prompt will display a list of commands. Typing '? cmd' will describe it briefly. 'man ftp' at a terminal prompt will show you more than you ever wanted to know, and isn't friendly about it. A tutorial on the net will be better, like that howto. You should also be aware that ftp is insecure - your password is transmitted unencrypted. Not a great problem if just logging in to your ISP, but for anything going across the Greater Internet there are sometimes more secure means available like sftp. If there's not, encourage it ;) Hope that helps, Ryan
Re: Terminal FTP
Hi Ruben, My first thought. this is a web page and how are you planning on coding this page manually or through a GUI package maybe even a html editor; because the last 2 in most packages I have seen or used they incorporate a uploader and or link to specific site or pages locally. cheers Rob Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED] 'If values are uncertain, if they are still too abstract to determine the particular, concrete case under consideration, nothing remains but to trust our instincts.' John Paul Sartre On Thu, 1 Apr 2004, Dark Servant wrote: Could someone please tell me how I can use the terminal for ftp uploading to a server for a web page? I don't really have a great deal of money to throw around at shareware products here and there and it's difficult to find a reliable freeware ftp client. For what I want to do it would work well and I'm sure it would be very reliable. Thanks Ruben A. Franke -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro
Re: Terminal FTP
Ruber, I was just about to list a few terminal commands for FTP when I thought , why not use WebDAV? A much more Mac-like experience where you just mount the server like another hard drive (as you do with iDisk). The server will need WebDAV activated but it may be already. This is how I copy files up to my website on a Linux server. Below idea a good one too. Certainly GoLive and Dreamweaver have a good interface to upload files. Cheers, Stephen On 02/04/2004, at 8:50 AM, Rob Davies wrote: Hi Ruben, My first thought. this is a web page and how are you planning on coding this page manually or through a GUI package maybe even a html editor; because the last 2 in most packages I have seen or used they incorporate a uploader and or link to specific site or pages locally. cheers Rob Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED] 'If values are uncertain, if they are still too abstract to determine the particular, concrete case under consideration, nothing remains but to trust our instincts.' John Paul Sartre On Thu, 1 Apr 2004, Dark Servant wrote: Could someone please tell me how I can use the terminal for ftp uploading to a server for a web page? I don't really have a great deal of money to throw around at shareware products here and there and it's difficult to find a reliable freeware ftp client. For what I want to do it would work well and I'm sure it would be very reliable. Thanks Ruben A. Franke -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro
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This all seems very complicated. If, like me, you're used to the user-friendly old Mac way, before we had to worry about things like unix, terminal the like, check out some of the web-hosting that include a browser based control panel that makes uploading files, setting up email accounts, password-protecting directories etc simpler than setting up an OSX Mac :o) I use hosting shop and chose a cPanel Junior account. http://www.hostingshop.com.au/cpanel_junior.htm It looks like it has gone up to $139 a year (I paid $125) and the traffic has been reduced to 2GB/month (4GB when I signed up a year a half ago) but, as that includes my domain name registration charges, it still seems pretty reasonable to me. I am sure that there are other providers offering the same sort of interface. All site management is done by logging into the control panel which has icons for the following functions: MailWebmail Change Password Parked Domains Addon Domains FTP Manager File ManagerDisk usageBackup Password Protect Directories Error pages Subdomains MySQL Databases SSH/Shell Access Redirects Frontpage Extensions Web/FTP Stats Raw Access Logs Raw Log Manager Error log Subdomain Stats Search Engine Submit ChatroomPhpMyChat Bulletin Board CGI Center Scripts Library Agora Shopping Cart Cron jobs Network Tools MIME Types Apache Handlers Manage OpenPGP Keys HotLink Protection Index Manager IP Deny Manager I have only had cause to use a few of these so far but in terms of setting up my first website it has all been very easy. To upload files, for example, click on the file manager, you see your sites top level folder structure, click on folders to navigate to your target folder (eg www) and click the upload files button you can then browse your Mac's hard drive and select the files you want to upload - you can select up to 12 files at a time and a check box gives you the option to overwrite existing files of the same name - then press the upload button. That's it, all done from IE or safari, no FTP software required. A message confirms successful upload. You can also delete, rename, move and copy files folders + change permissions all from the same window. There are also support forums which include tutorials on how to do certain things (set up email accounts, mySQL databases etc) but so far I've found it all pretty self explanatory. As you can probably tell, I've been very happy with it and it's all been a lot easier than I expected - not often I can say that about computers nowadays even using Macs :( I realise the above may not be too helpful if you're already locked into a hosting package which doesn't offer it - but if not check it out. Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Fax: +61 8 9841 6137 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Ryan Schotte [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 01:58:55 +0800 To: WAMUG Mailing List wamug@wamug.org.au Subject: Re: Terminal FTP Could someone please tell me how I can use the terminal for ftp uploading to a server for a web page? I don't really have a great deal of money to throw around at shareware products here and there and it's difficult to find a reliable freeware ftp client. I know. And even reliable Shareware ones seem hard to find... version 2 of 'Anarchie' was the best I've ever used, still. Shame they don't sell it anymore... 'Transmit' is very good, if a little unfinished around some edges, but at US$25 is a bit expensive for casual (student) usage. For what I want to do it would work well and I'm sure it would be very reliable. Assuming you're moderately comfortable with the terminal already, try reading through this document: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/FTP.html Section 4.2 describes with the ftp client included with OS X, I _think_. But they're all pretty much the same. With web sites, always remember to upload txt/html/php/php4 files as ascii, and other stuff like movies and pictures as binary. Typing 'ascii' or 'binary' at the ftp prompt sets this. Default is binary. Also, typing '?' at the ftp prompt will display a list of commands. Typing '? cmd' will describe it briefly. 'man ftp' at a terminal prompt will show you more than you ever wanted to know, and isn't friendly about it. A tutorial on the net will be better, like that howto. You should also be aware that ftp is insecure - your password is transmitted unencrypted. Not a great problem if just logging in to your ISP, but for anything going across the Greater Internet there are sometimes more secure means available like sftp. If there's not, encourage it ;) Hope that helps, Ryan -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist
Re: Terminal FTP
Hi Reuben, On Friday, April 2, 2004, at 05:05 AM, WAMUG Mailing List wrote: Could someone please tell me how I can use the terminal for ftp uploading to a server for a web page? I don't really have a great deal of money to throw around at shareware products here and there and it's difficult to find a reliable freeware ftp client. For what I want to do it would work well and I'm sure it would be very reliable. I use RBrowser, which seems to work reliably for me. If you want to use the terminal, type ftp sitename, and you'll be prompted for username and password. You'll need to use commands like cd to change directories, binary to switch to binary transfer mode, get to download files and put to upload files. RBrowser is a Mac app, makes it much much easier. Regards, Paul. -- Paul W. Mulroney Logical Developments [EMAIL PROTECTED] 86 Coolgardie Street www.logicaldevelopments.com.au BENTLEY WA 6102 Ph: +61 8 9458 3889 ICQ# 154484472Fax: +61 8 9458 7204
Re: Terminal FTP
Hi Ryan, On Friday, April 2, 2004, at 05:05 AM, WAMUG Mailing List wrote: I know. And even reliable Shareware ones seem hard to find... version 2 of 'Anarchie' was the best I've ever used, still. Shame they don't sell it anymore... 'Transmit' is very good, if a little unfinished around some edges, but at US$25 is a bit expensive for casual (student) usage. Anarchie changed name and became Interarchy. It's not free. But, it is good. Regards, Paul. -- Paul W. Mulroney Logical Developments [EMAIL PROTECTED] 86 Coolgardie Street www.logicaldevelopments.com.au BENTLEY WA 6102 Ph: +61 8 9458 3889 ICQ# 154484472Fax: +61 8 9458 7204
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I have been doing my coding with Taco HTML Edit and uploading with Cyberduck. One of the first things I checked for on Taco was an upload feature. Cyberduck seems to work for single file transfers and only crashes occasionally but it's a little more difficult when dealing with larger quantities. Curtin uni has fetch registered for educational use in their eMac labs and that worked really well. Thanks to everyone Ruben Hi Ruben, My first thought. this is a web page and how are you planning on coding this page manually or through a GUI package maybe even a html editor; because the last 2 in most packages I have seen or used they incorporate a uploader and or link to specific site or pages locally. cheers Rob Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED] 'If values are uncertain, if they are still too abstract to determine the particular, concrete case under consideration, nothing remains but to trust our instincts.' John Paul Sartre On Thu, 1 Apr 2004, Dark Servant wrote: Could someone please tell me how I can use the terminal for ftp uploading to a server for a web page? I don't really have a great deal of money to throw around at shareware products here and there and it's difficult to find a reliable freeware ftp client. For what I want to do it would work well and I'm sure it would be very reliable. Thanks Ruben A. Franke -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro
Re: Terminal FTP
Awsome. I tried it as soon as I read your email because I'm familiar with the connect to server system. Worked within seconds. Great interface. Thanks heaps and thank you to everyone else for your input. Ruben A. Franke On 01/04/2004, at 11:51 PM, Dark Servant wrote: Could someone please tell me how I can use the terminal for ftp uploading to a server for a web page? I don't really have a great deal of money to throw around at shareware products here and there and it's difficult to find a reliable freeware ftp client. For what I want to do it would work well and I'm sure it would be very reliable. In addition to using Terminal or Safari, you can choose Go Connect to Server... in the Finder. In the dialog which appears, type ftp://; followed by the name of the server you are connecting to, eg, ftp://members.iinet.net.au;. When you provide a legitimate login and password the server Volume will mount on your desktop. You can then drag and drop files at will (depending on your permissions settings on the server, that is). -- Peter Hinchliffe Apwin Computer ServicesFileMaker Pro Solutions Developer Perth, Western Australia Phone (618) 9332 6482Fax (618) 9332 0913 Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.
Re: Terminal FTP
Anarchie changed name and became Interarchy. It's not free. But, it is good. It's a little bloated these days for my liking though. It's just got so much more functionality than I need I guess -- I want something simple that doesn't crash every ten minutes. Ryan
Re: Terminal FTP
In addition to using Terminal or Safari, you can choose Go Connect to Server... in the Finder. In the dialog which appears, type ftp://; followed by the name of the server you are connecting to, eg, ftp://members.iinet.net.au;. When you provide a legitimate login and password the server Volume will mount on your desktop. You can then drag and drop files at will (depending on your permissions settings on the server, that is). Okay, that sounds good. But I have never been able to use the Finder to _upload_ things to ftp mounts - I assumed the functionality wasn't there yet. It behaves for me as a read-only volume, even though I know I can upload stuff in other programs. What am I missing please?? Ryan
Re: Terminal FTP
On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 13:39, Ryan Schotte wrote: Okay, that sounds good. But I have never been able to use the Finder to _upload_ things to ftp mounts - I assumed the functionality wasn't there yet. It behaves for me as a read-only volume, even though I know I can upload stuff in other programs. A lot of programs assume 'anonymous' == 'read only'. If you're using anon ftp, that could be why. If you're authenticating with a username password, I have no idea. I must say I was really impressed with the FTP interface in Safari. I was expecting another ugly and clunky directory listing, Mozilla style, or a bad pretend filesystem (IE/win style). The decision to hand off the connection to the Finder's VFS works very well, and the interface seems to deal surprisingly well with the slow nature of FTP. I'd love to see a similar thing added to KDE/Konqueror. Craig Ringer
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A lot of programs assume 'anonymous' == 'read only'. If you're using anon ftp, that could be why. If you're authenticating with a username password, I have no idea. No, it seems the original post was incorrect - at least in implying the Finder's FTP feature was relevant for uploading web pages. Panther Finder's FTP is read-only. Safari has no FTP ability, but passes the URL along to the Finder to process. So for uploading, still gotta use something else. Ryan
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Yes it appears that way. Haven't really had much time to do anything with this stuff cause I'm a bit busy with uni studies atm. Ruben A. Franke A lot of programs assume 'anonymous' == 'read only'. If you're using anon ftp, that could be why. If you're authenticating with a username password, I have no idea. No, it seems the original post was incorrect - at least in implying the Finder's FTP feature was relevant for uploading web pages. Panther Finder's FTP is read-only. Safari has no FTP ability, but passes the URL along to the Finder to process. So for uploading, still gotta use something else. Ryan -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro
Re: Terminal FTP
The simple and elegant solution is to use the Finder to connect to your ftp server. In the Go menu choose Connect to Server In the dialogue box that appears, enter the server address as ftp://server.address (or server.name) and this can be stored as a favourite. You will be prompted for your username and password (that can be added to your Keychain and the server mounts on the desktop (and in the Finder sidebar in Panther). Copy files to and fro as you like. The only issue I don't know about is how it handles binary and ascii file transfers. I hope this helps Cheers Greg From: Neil Houghton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 11:42:38 +0800 To: WAMUG Mailing List wamug@wamug.org.au Subject: Re: Terminal FTP This all seems very complicated. If, like me, you're used to the user-friendly old Mac way, before we had to worry about things like unix, terminal the like, check out some of the web-hosting that include a browser based control panel that makes uploading files, setting up email accounts, password-protecting directories etc simpler than setting up an OSX Mac :o) I use hosting shop and chose a cPanel Junior account. http://www.hostingshop.com.au/cpanel_junior.htm It looks like it has gone up to $139 a year (I paid $125) and the traffic has been reduced to 2GB/month (4GB when I signed up a year a half ago) but, as that includes my domain name registration charges, it still seems pretty reasonable to me. I am sure that there are other providers offering the same sort of interface. All site management is done by logging into the control panel which has icons for the following functions: MailWebmail Change Password Parked Domains Addon Domains FTP Manager File ManagerDisk usageBackup Password Protect Directories Error pages Subdomains MySQL Databases SSH/Shell Access Redirects Frontpage Extensions Web/FTP Stats Raw Access Logs Raw Log Manager Error log Subdomain Stats Search Engine Submit ChatroomPhpMyChat Bulletin Board CGI Center Scripts Library Agora Shopping Cart Cron jobs Network Tools MIME Types Apache Handlers Manage OpenPGP Keys HotLink Protection Index Manager IP Deny Manager I have only had cause to use a few of these so far but in terms of setting up my first website it has all been very easy. To upload files, for example, click on the file manager, you see your sites top level folder structure, click on folders to navigate to your target folder (eg www) and click the upload files button you can then browse your Mac's hard drive and select the files you want to upload - you can select up to 12 files at a time and a check box gives you the option to overwrite existing files of the same name - then press the upload button. That's it, all done from IE or safari, no FTP software required. A message confirms successful upload. You can also delete, rename, move and copy files folders + change permissions all from the same window. There are also support forums which include tutorials on how to do certain things (set up email accounts, mySQL databases etc) but so far I've found it all pretty self explanatory. As you can probably tell, I've been very happy with it and it's all been a lot easier than I expected - not often I can say that about computers nowadays even using Macs :( I realise the above may not be too helpful if you're already locked into a hosting package which doesn't offer it - but if not check it out. Neil -- Neil R. Houghton Albany, Western Australia Tel: +61 8 9841 6063 Fax: +61 8 9841 6137 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Ryan Schotte [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 01:58:55 +0800 To: WAMUG Mailing List wamug@wamug.org.au Subject: Re: Terminal FTP Could someone please tell me how I can use the terminal for ftp uploading to a server for a web page? I don't really have a great deal of money to throw around at shareware products here and there and it's difficult to find a reliable freeware ftp client. I know. And even reliable Shareware ones seem hard to find... version 2 of 'Anarchie' was the best I've ever used, still. Shame they don't sell it anymore... 'Transmit' is very good, if a little unfinished around some edges, but at US$25 is a bit expensive for casual (student) usage. For what I want to do it would work well and I'm sure it would be very reliable. Assuming you're moderately comfortable with the terminal already, try reading through this document: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/FTP.html Section 4.2 describes with the ftp client included with OS X, I _think_. But they're all pretty much the same. With web sites, always remember to upload txt/html/php/php4 files as ascii, and other stuff like movies and pictures as binary. Typing
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Ryan You are absolutely right. Sorry to all for appearing smug about my simple and elegant solution. Apple has an article (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107415) on this and I have included it below Cheers Greg TITLE Mac OS X 10.2 or Later: Cannot Copy to FTP Servers in the Finder Article ID: Created: Modified: 107415 1/29/03 1/27/04 TOPIC You can use the Connect To Server command to connect to an FTP server in the Finder, but you will have read-only access. You cannot copy, or upload, to an FTP volume in the Finder. DISCUSSION File Transfer Protocol (FTP) server volumes available in the Finder have read-only access, even when the FTP server is set to allow you write access. If you want to copy files from a Mac OS X computer to an FTP server, you need to use an application other than the Finder. You can use the Terminal utility or a third-party FTP utility such as: ? Interarchy, by Stairways Software (http://interarchy.com/) ? Fetch, by Fetch Softworks (http://fetchsoftworks.com/) ? Transmit, by Panic, Inc. (http://www.panic.com/transmit/) From: Ryan Schotte [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 13:39:23 +0800 To: WAMUG Mailing List wamug@wamug.org.au Subject: Re: Terminal FTP In addition to using Terminal or Safari, you can choose Go Connect to Server... in the Finder. In the dialog which appears, type ftp://; followed by the name of the server you are connecting to, eg, ftp://members.iinet.net.au;. When you provide a legitimate login and password the server Volume will mount on your desktop. You can then drag and drop files at will (depending on your permissions settings on the server, that is). Okay, that sounds good. But I have never been able to use the Finder to _upload_ things to ftp mounts - I assumed the functionality wasn't there yet. It behaves for me as a read-only volume, even though I know I can upload stuff in other programs. What am I missing please?? Ryan -- The WA Macintosh User Group Mailing List -- Archives - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/archives.shtml Guidelines - http://www.wamug.org.au/mailinglist/guidelines.shtml Unsubscribe - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WAMUG is powered by Stalker CommuniGatePro
Terminal FTP
Could someone please tell me how I can use the terminal for ftp uploading to a server for a web page? I don't really have a great deal of money to throw around at shareware products here and there and it's difficult to find a reliable freeware ftp client. For what I want to do it would work well and I'm sure it would be very reliable. Thanks Ruben A. Franke
