Re: {W&P} Expulsion

2001-03-30 Thread maree


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> Maree:
> > What actually were the Russians caught doing, or is it just
> > supposition ?
> > I thought the cold war had ended.
> > Isn't the spy thing a bit parse?
> >
> Tim:
> > I thought it was in response to the recent revelation of
> > the FBI double agent who "gave away the farm".
> > >
>
> Maree:
> > haven't heard that one, would you care to elaborate ?
>
>
> Tim:
> > I am referring to the FBI agent who allegedly supplied the
> > Russians with information including the identity of two
> > KGB double agents (who were subsequently executed) and the
> > listening tunnel under the Russian Embassy.
>
>
> Maree:
> > An American student who was investigated on suspicion of
> > espionage and charged with possession of marijuana may
> > instead face more serious drug charges.
> >
>
> Tim:
> OK.  I'm not sure I follow the flow here.
>
> Tim
>

My apologies, left out the linking explanation / question
the student was arrested in Russia, and with the climate at the moment it
appears that the original possession charges have been severely increased to
include espionage... Is there a link between this and the expulsion of
Russion diplomats ?
Does this also mean that there will be a rebirth of the cold war antagonisms
?

maree

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RE: {W&P} Expulsion

2001-03-29 Thread d hieger


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Maree:
> What actually were the Russians caught doing, or is it just
> supposition ?
> I thought the cold war had ended.
> Isn't the spy thing a bit parse?
> 
Tim:
> I thought it was in response to the recent revelation of
> the FBI double agent who "gave away the farm".
> >

Maree:
> haven't heard that one, would you care to elaborate ?


Tim:
> I am referring to the FBI agent who allegedly supplied the
> Russians with information including the identity of two
> KGB double agents (who were subsequently executed) and the
> listening tunnel under the Russian Embassy.


Maree:
> An American student who was investigated on suspicion of
> espionage and charged with possession of marijuana may
> instead face more serious drug charges.
> 

Tim:
OK.  I'm not sure I follow the flow here.

Tim


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Re: {W&P} Expulsion

2001-03-28 Thread maree


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> > > maree wrote:
> > >
> > > > What actually were the Russians caught doing, or is it just
> > > supposition ?
> > > > I thought the cold war had ended.
> > > > Isn't the spy thing a bit parse?
> > > > maree
> > > >
> > >
> > > I thought it was in response to the recent revelation of
> > > the FBI double agent who "gave away the farm".
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > 
> > haven't heard that one, would you care to elaborate ?
> > 
> > maree
> > 
> > 
> I am referring to the FBI agent who allegedly supplied the
> Russians with information including the identity of two
> KGB double agents (who were subsequently executed) and the 
> listening tunnel under the Russian Embassy.
> 
> Tim
> 
An American student who was investigated on suspicion of
espionage and charged with possession of marijuana may
instead face more serious drug charges.

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Re: {W&P} Expulsion

2001-03-28 Thread John T


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From: "maree" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >   Any comments on 'disinformation'???
> > John T
>
> is this a new word ?
> maree

  Not exactly 'new'... the word has been around for quite a while.

  disinformation = providing false/misleading information (information
designed to make your opponent believe you have a strength or weakness
heretofore unknown)

  Commonly referred to as 'propaganda' but it goes a little beyond it :)

  However, it has been used by businesses to curtail industrial espionage -
as do governments.  Provide specific disinformation to suspected spies, if
that information shows up elsewhere you know where your leak is.


John T


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Re: {W&P} Expulsion

2001-03-27 Thread d hieger


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> > maree wrote:
> >
> > > What actually were the Russians caught doing, or is it just
> > supposition ?
> > > I thought the cold war had ended.
> > > Isn't the spy thing a bit parse?
> > > maree
> > >
> >
> > I thought it was in response to the recent revelation of
> > the FBI double agent who "gave away the farm".
> >
> > Tim
> >
> 
> haven't heard that one, would you care to elaborate ?
> 
> maree
> 
> 
I am referring to the FBI agent who allegedly supplied the
Russians with information including the identity of two
KGB double agents (who were subsequently executed) and the 
listening tunnel under the Russian Embassy.

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Re: {W&P} Expulsion

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> maree wrote:
> 
> > What actually were the Russians caught doing, or is it just 
> supposition ?
> > I thought the cold war had ended.
> > Isn't the spy thing a bit parse?
> > maree
> > 
> 
> I thought it was in response to the recent revelation of 
> the FBI double agent who "gave away the farm".
> 
> Tim
> 

haven't heard that one, would you care to elaborate ?

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Re: {W&P} Expulsion

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maree wrote:

> What actually were the Russians caught doing, or is it just supposition ?
> I thought the cold war had ended.
> Isn't the spy thing a bit parse?
> maree
> 

I thought it was in response to the recent revelation of 
the FBI double agent who "gave away the farm".

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Re: {W&P} Expulsion

2001-03-27 Thread maree


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>[John T]   That's what was making headlines... they said that the spy
population has
> reached Cold War levels...  unfortunately, I've been working OT for the
past
> week and haven't had much time to check anything...  I was hoping that
some
> of the folks on this list would have some info to share...
>
I get the NY Times daily, and have only just caught up, but there was only
one story in the past weeks about it... said that the US plans to expel 50
Russian diplomats between now and JUly, only reason is that they were
persuing activities incompatible with their status, What ever that means ?

>   And now everything seems to be swept under the carpet.. I haven't seen
nor
> heard of anything since the news article last Thursday (at least I think
it
> was Thursday :))
>

And you expected otherwise ? Is the new administration testing the waters ?

>   But the 'spy thing' is still going strong... technology that can be
stolen
> sure costs less than technology which is licensed...
>

Yes, but do they have the capabilities to use or develop further... Not
necessarily knowledge but financial or infrastructure that has been
decimated through lack of modernisation ?

>   I still remember when the first low-end Soviet LED watch was
released
> it was an almost exact duplicate of a Timex - the only difference was that
> it's circuits were mirror imaged... as if they were copied from a magazine
> photo (and at the time, Timex had an advertisement which included a photo
of
> their circuit board :))
>
must have been before my time !!


>   Of course, that could also have been some misinformation released to
> tarnish the Soviets... who knows what was true and what wasn't... I doubt
if
> anyone could keep it all straight :)
>

Depends on which side of the iron curtain you're on !

>   Any comments on 'disinformation'???
>
> John T
>
>

is this a new word ?
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Re: {W&P} Expulsion

2001-03-27 Thread John T


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From: "maree" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > So, that being said who wants to start talking about War and
Politics?
> > What's the latest 'hot spot'? Any comments on the removal of Russian
> > 'agents' from the US and the Russian response?
> > John T - War and Politics Owner
> >
> Does this mean that there will be tit for tat revivals, and I can do it
> better than you can mentality ?
> What actually were the Russians caught doing, or is it just supposition ?
> I thought the cold war had ended.
> Isn't the spy thing a bit parse?
> maree


  That's what was making headlines... they said that the spy population has
reached Cold War levels...  unfortunately, I've been working OT for the past
week and haven't had much time to check anything...  I was hoping that some
of the folks on this list would have some info to share...

  And now everything seems to be swept under the carpet.. I haven't seen nor
heard of anything since the news article last Thursday (at least I think it
was Thursday :))

  But the 'spy thing' is still going strong... technology that can be stolen
sure costs less than technology which is licensed...

  I still remember when the first low-end Soviet LED watch was released
it was an almost exact duplicate of a Timex - the only difference was that
it's circuits were mirror imaged... as if they were copied from a magazine
photo (and at the time, Timex had an advertisement which included a photo of
their circuit board :))

  Of course, that could also have been some misinformation released to
tarnish the Soviets... who knows what was true and what wasn't... I doubt if
anyone could keep it all straight :)

  Any comments on 'disinformation'???

John T





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RE: {W&P} Expulsion

2001-03-27 Thread maree


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> So, that being said who wants to start talking about War and Politics?
> What's the latest 'hot spot'? Any comments on the removal of Russian
> 'agents' from the US and the Russian response?
>
> John T - War and Politics Owner
>
Does this mean that there will be tit for tat revivals, and I can do it
better than you can mentality ?
What actually were the Russians caught doing, or is it just supposition ?
I thought the cold war had ended.
Isn't the spy thing a bit parse?
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