Re: [wdvltalk] OT: ridding myself of the Windows Welcome screen

2006-10-20 Thread Joseph Harris
Thing is, no knife was mentioned till I got there! 
(D)Ef(f)initely free enterprise in the NHS.

:-(

Joseph
['We know we said "y", but it's "x" '   - I'll be more cautious 
next time ;-)]


From: "Peter MacGregor"

Hope he wasn't a union surgeon, Joseph - you know, "One out all 
out"! LOL



Peter MacGregor

At 10:40 20/10/2006, you wrote:
I'm still a bit groggy from lettting surgeons near, and had 
assumed this problem would get one eureka or another.   I too 
have suddenly acquired the unwanted log in screen.   It appeared 
after allowing Xp updates and i had assumed it was the usual 
'Bill knows best' virtual Nanny State at work.


Joseph



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Re: [wdvltalk] OT: ridding myself of the Windows Welcome screen

2006-10-20 Thread Peter MacGregor
uot;type *just* the right 
question into Google". You have to have a 
fairly twisted mind to produce the answer you 
want at the first, or even fifty-first, 
attempt.  None of the 300-plus computer users 
that I support can do this, or I'd be out of a 
job.  Also when I said 'to save you the 
trouble' that's exactly what I meant, it would 
have been quite rude of me to just leave it at 
steps 1-3 when I had the answer on my screen. 
But if I had just posted the answer without 
the method, perhaps I would have been posing 
as some kind of super guru instead of just 
someone who used Google to get the answer... 
modesty and helpfulness, see, not bitterness and cheap shots at all :-)


Thanks, Bj.  You are correct in that you really 
do have to twist your mind to find what you 
need sometimes.  I thought I was searching on 
the right words but as you can see, I was 
wrong.  I also assumed just searching in the 
WinXP help files on my own computer would yield 
me the answer - bzzzt - wrong answer, Deb!



I have been in tech support for about twenty 
years but frankly, skill, knowledge, 
experience and training are only useful in 
about 5% of situations.  Mainly I earn my 
living by switching equipment off and back on 
again, and when that occasionally fails, 
typing *just* the right question into Google / 
looking in *just* the right place in the 
manual or help file... it's a rare gift, I mean a *rare* gift.


Erm, also, I must admit finding this one 
probably was more like the fifty-first 
attempt, the first time I had to look for it...


I do appreciate the trouble you went to to find it for me.

I'm not going to mess w/this anymore.  I just 
don't have the time and after being totally 
locked out after my attempts - I'm now more on 
the paranoid side of terrified of this 
happening again.  It would have been nice had 
the program that installed this given me the 
option of setting it up this way - I'd have 
surely checked NO!  It has to be either the 
printer or the Wacom Pen Tab as this all 
happened after that.  I do remember something 
about MSN Messenger or ??? coming up but for 
the life of me can't remember what it was 
now.  I was just dumbfounded to have installed 
all of this, gone to bed, got up - rebooted and 
suddenly there is was w/no warning.  There 
oughta be a law against software doing this but 
then I would imagine they'd listen about as 
well as the spammers listen to the laws about 
spamming and to the people who don't want it.


Deb



Bj

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At 05:17 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote:
The answer takes a bit of finding, you have 
to type just the right question into Google.


Apparently, this was the problem.  I had not 
worded my searches correctly in the WinXP 
help files to find what you did.  Nothing I 
found in the help files had anything like 
this. I neglected to mention that I did try 
the WinXP help files before posting.  I did 
not however, try Google.  Thank you.  I will try this.



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Re: [wdvltalk] OT: ridding myself of the Windows Welcome screen

2006-10-20 Thread Joseph Harris
 *just* the right question into Google / looking 
in *just* the right place in the manual or help file... it's a 
rare gift, I mean a *rare* gift.


Erm, also, I must admit finding this one probably was more like 
the fifty-first attempt, the first time I had to look for it...


I do appreciate the trouble you went to to find it for me.

I'm not going to mess w/this anymore.  I just don't have the 
time and after being totally locked out after my attempts - I'm 
now more on the paranoid side of terrified of this happening 
again.  It would have been nice had the program that installed 
this given me the option of setting it up this way - I'd have 
surely checked NO!  It has to be either the printer or the Wacom 
Pen Tab as this all happened after that.  I do remember 
something about MSN Messenger or ??? coming up but for the life 
of me can't remember what it was now.  I was just dumbfounded to 
have installed all of this, gone to bed, got up - rebooted and 
suddenly there is was w/no warning.  There oughta be a law 
against software doing this but then I would imagine they'd 
listen about as well as the spammers listen to the laws about 
spamming and to the people who don't want it.


Deb



Bj

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At 05:17 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote:
The answer takes a bit of finding, you have to type just the 
right question into Google.


Apparently, this was the problem.  I had not worded my 
searches correctly in the WinXP help files to find what you 
did.  Nothing I found in the help files had anything like 
this. I neglected to mention that I did try the WinXP help 
files before posting.  I did not however, try Google.  Thank 
you.  I will try this.



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Re: [wdvltalk] OT: ridding myself of the Windows Welcome screen

2006-10-20 Thread Peter MacGregor
printer or the 
Wacom Pen Tab as this all happened after 
that.  I do remember something about MSN 
Messenger or ??? coming up but for the life of 
me can't remember what it was now.  I was just 
dumbfounded to have installed all of this, gone 
to bed, got up - rebooted and suddenly there is 
was w/no warning.  There oughta be a law against 
software doing this but then I would imagine 
they'd listen about as well as the spammers 
listen to the laws about spamming and to the people who don't want it.


Deb



Bj

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At 05:17 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote:
The answer takes a bit of finding, you have 
to type just the right question into Google.


Apparently, this was the problem.  I had not 
worded my searches correctly in the WinXP help 
files to find what you did.  Nothing I found 
in the help files had anything like this. I 
neglected to mention that I did try the WinXP 
help files before posting.  I did not however, 
try Google.  Thank you.  I will try this.



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Re: [wdvltalk] OT: ridding myself of the Windows Welcome screen

2006-10-19 Thread PBC Web Design

At 01:16 AM 10/20/2006, you wrote:
I apologise sincerely for any offence if you thought I was being 
sarcastic at you!  I should have said "type *just* the right 
question into Google". You have to have a fairly twisted mind to 
produce the answer you want at the first, or even fifty-first, 
attempt.  None of the 300-plus computer users that I support can do 
this, or I'd be out of a job.  Also when I said 'to save you the 
trouble' that's exactly what I meant, it would have been quite rude 
of me to just leave it at steps 1-3 when I had the answer on my 
screen. But if I had just posted the answer without the method, 
perhaps I would have been posing as some kind of super guru instead 
of just someone who used Google to get the answer... modesty and 
helpfulness, see, not bitterness and cheap shots at all :-)


Thanks, Bj.  You are correct in that you really do have to twist your 
mind to find what you need sometimes.  I thought I was searching on 
the right words but as you can see, I was wrong.  I also assumed just 
searching in the WinXP help files on my own computer would yield me 
the answer - bzzzt - wrong answer, Deb!



I have been in tech support for about twenty years but frankly, 
skill, knowledge, experience and training are only useful in about 
5% of situations.  Mainly I earn my living by switching equipment 
off and back on again, and when that occasionally fails, typing 
*just* the right question into Google / looking in *just* the right 
place in the manual or help file... it's a rare gift, I mean a *rare* gift.


Erm, also, I must admit finding this one probably was more like the 
fifty-first attempt, the first time I had to look for it...


I do appreciate the trouble you went to to find it for me.

I'm not going to mess w/this anymore.  I just don't have the time and 
after being totally locked out after my attempts - I'm now more on 
the paranoid side of terrified of this happening again.  It would 
have been nice had the program that installed this given me the 
option of setting it up this way - I'd have surely checked NO!  It 
has to be either the printer or the Wacom Pen Tab as this all 
happened after that.  I do remember something about MSN Messenger or 
??? coming up but for the life of me can't remember what it was 
now.  I was just dumbfounded to have installed all of this, gone to 
bed, got up - rebooted and suddenly there is was w/no warning.  There 
oughta be a law against software doing this but then I would imagine 
they'd listen about as well as the spammers listen to the laws about 
spamming and to the people who don't want it.


Deb



Bj

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At 05:17 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote:
The answer takes a bit of finding, you have to type just the right 
question into Google.


Apparently, this was the problem.  I had not worded my searches 
correctly in the WinXP help files to find what you did.  Nothing I 
found in the help files had anything like this. I neglected to 
mention that I did try the WinXP help files before posting.  I did 
not however, try Google.  Thank you.  I will try this.



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Re: [wdvltalk] OT: ridding myself of the Windows Welcome screen

2006-10-19 Thread Bj
I apologise sincerely for any offence if you thought I was being sarcastic 
at you!  I should have said "type *just* the right question into Google". 
You have to have a fairly twisted mind to produce the answer you want at the 
first, or even fifty-first, attempt.  None of the 300-plus computer users 
that I support can do this, or I'd be out of a job.  Also when I said 'to 
save you the trouble' that's exactly what I meant, it would have been quite 
rude of me to just leave it at steps 1-3 when I had the answer on my screen. 
But if I had just posted the answer without the method, perhaps I would have 
been posing as some kind of super guru instead of just someone who used 
Google to get the answer... modesty and helpfulness, see, not bitterness and 
cheap shots at all :-)


I have been in tech support for about twenty years but frankly, skill, 
knowledge, experience and training are only useful in about 5% of 
situations.  Mainly I earn my living by switching equipment off and back on 
again, and when that occasionally fails, typing *just* the right question 
into Google / looking in *just* the right place in the manual or help 
file... it's a rare gift, I mean a *rare* gift.


Erm, also, I must admit finding this one probably was more like the 
fifty-first attempt, the first time I had to look for it...


Bj

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At 05:17 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote:
The answer takes a bit of finding, you have to type just the right 
question into Google.


Apparently, this was the problem.  I had not worded my searches correctly 
in the WinXP help files to find what you did.  Nothing I found in the help 
files had anything like this. I neglected to mention that I did try the 
WinXP help files before posting.  I did not however, try Google.  Thank 
you.  I will try this.



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Re: [wdvltalk] OT: ridding myself of the Windows Welcome screen

2006-10-19 Thread PBC Web Design

At 05:17 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote:

Here they are to save you following steps 1 - 3:

1. Click Start, then click Run

2. In the Open box, type 'control userpasswords2', and then click OK.

3. Clear the "Users must enter a user name and password to use this 
computer" check box, and then click Apply


4. In the Automatically Log On window, type the password in the 
Password box, and then retype the password in the Confirm Password box.


5. Click OK to close the Automatically Log On window, and then click 
OK to close the User Accounts window.


This didn't work for me.  On reboot, the welcome screen showed up 
behind an error msg that I could not be logged in.  Clicked ok, 
welcome screen went from fade to unfade and so I wound up w/2 steps 
to get into Windows vs the one original one - having to click out of 
the error msg and clicking the account button to enter Windows. From 
there things went downhill to the point of being totally locked out 
of my computer.  After firing up my laptop, several googles got me 
some possible fixes for getting back in which I was able to 
accomplish.  A system restore took me back to where I was before I 
tried all of this.  It's times like these I am reminded that the 
money I spent on my laptop was money very well spent, LOL!  Thank you 
for trying, Bj.



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Re: [wdvltalk] OT: ridding myself of the Windows Welcome screen

2006-10-19 Thread PBC Web Design

At 04:16 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote:

Hi Deb

By the sound of it, whatever you've installed recently requires the 
.NET Framework to run so it's installed that as well. Looks like 
with .NET Framework running, your computer needs an explicit login 
as exactly the same thing happened to me when I installed Visual Studio .NET.


Once I uninstalled it, taking the .NET Framework with it, the login 
returned to normal.


This of course doesn't fix your problem if something on your system 
requires .NET Framwork. I was never able to sort it out myself.


MOU


Thank you, MOU.

Is there anyway to track down which program would require this?  I 
did try uninstalling the Wacom Pen Tab and the 3rd party bundle 
software that came w/it as this welcome screen thing I'm pretty sure 
appeared after these things were installed, but uninstalling all of 
that didn't get rid of it.  Would a printer need this?  I don't know 
what .NET framework does so I don't know the logical places to look 
for associated programs.



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Re: [wdvltalk] OT: ridding myself of the Windows Welcome screen

2006-10-19 Thread PBC Web Design

At 05:17 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote:
The answer takes a bit of finding, you have to type just the right 
question into Google.


Apparently, this was the problem.  I had not worded my searches 
correctly in the WinXP help files to find what you did.  Nothing I 
found in the help files had anything like this. I neglected to 
mention that I did try the WinXP help files before posting.  I did 
not however, try Google.  Thank you.  I will try this.



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Re: [wdvltalk] OT: ridding myself of the Windows Welcome screen

2006-10-19 Thread Bj
The answer takes a bit of finding, you have to type just the right question 
into Google.  Most of our PCs at work have to be set up to prompt for a 
login but if you need something like a Powerpoint presentation to run 
immediately on power up then you have to do just what you are asking and set 
the machine to start Windows without a login.


To do this:

1. Ask Google "Start XP without login"
2. Follow the link to the Microsoft page at 
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315231

3. Follow the instructions

Here they are to save you following steps 1 - 3:

1. Click Start, then click Run

2. In the Open box, type 'control userpasswords2', and then click OK.

3. Clear the "Users must enter a user name and password to use this 
computer" check box, and then click Apply


4. In the Automatically Log On window, type the password in the Password 
box, and then retype the password in the Confirm Password box.


5. Click OK to close the Automatically Log On window, and then click OK to 
close the User Accounts window.





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On 19/10/06, Ross Clutterbuck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

This of course doesn't fix your problem if something on your system
requires .NET Framwork. I was never able to sort it out myself.


The " Master Of the Universe" can't fix a simple Windows problem?
Man, what *is* this world coming to?

:)

(before you ask, no I haven't a clue how to fix it, short of offering
Deb a Linux install CD )

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Re: [wdvltalk] OT: ridding myself of the Windows Welcome screen

2006-10-19 Thread David Precious

On 19/10/06, Ross Clutterbuck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

This of course doesn't fix your problem if something on your system
requires .NET Framwork. I was never able to sort it out myself.


The " Master Of the Universe" can't fix a simple Windows problem?
Man, what *is* this world coming to?

:)

(before you ask, no I haven't a clue how to fix it, short of offering
Deb a Linux install CD )

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Re: [wdvltalk] OT: ridding myself of the Windows Welcome screen

2006-10-19 Thread Ross Clutterbuck

Hi Deb

By the sound of it, whatever you've installed recently requires the .NET 
Framework to run so it's installed that as well. Looks like with .NET 
Framework running, your computer needs an explicit login as exactly the 
same thing happened to me when I installed Visual Studio .NET.


Once I uninstalled it, taking the .NET Framework with it, the login 
returned to normal.


This of course doesn't fix your problem if something on your system 
requires .NET Framwork. I was never able to sort it out myself.


MOU




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[wdvltalk] OT: ridding myself of the Windows Welcome screen

2006-10-19 Thread PBC Web Design

Hi there,

A couple of weeks ago (I haven't had time to post until now) I 
installed some new programs and one of them (and I have no idea which 
one) is now forcing the Windows Welcome screen (WinXP) to show on 
boot up.  I don't want a welcome screen, nor do I want a login 
screen.  I always boot directly into Windows and that's what I want 
back in place.  When the Welcome screen comes up, it's not requiring 
a login - I just click the name and it finishes booting to 
Windows.  But I hate this. I cannot find any options/preferences in 
the programs I installed for changing this.  One was a new HP printer 
which I seriously doubt caused this because I've installed many a 
printer and never had this happen.  The other is the Wacom Pen Tablet 
and associated bundled software that came w/it.


I have been into the Control Panel/User Accounts - I have one admin 
account and that's the name that's showing up on the Welcome screen 
so I can't delete it.


I also found something called ASP.NET Machine installed and I have no 
idea where that came from or what program installed it.  I have not 
had reason to go into the User Accounts in months and months so this 
could have been installed by anything and not necessarily a recent 
install.  It's showing as password protected and I know for sure I 
did not set this up.  If I ever need a password for it, I have no 
idea what it would be.


If I were to remove the Welcome screen within the User Accounts, it's 
telling me then I'll have a "classic" login screen complete 
w/password.  Don't want that.


If I go into TweakUI there are options that *are* checkmarked ( that 
I didn't checkmark) under LOGON. They are:


Keep RAS connections after logoff (not checked)
Parse Aytiexec.bat at logon (checked)
Show ASPNET on Welcome Screen (checked but not by me)
Show "MyLastName" on Welcome Screen (checked but not by me and this 
is the admin account in the User Accounts)


I don't want to do anything because I'm terrified I'll wind up 
locking myself out of Windows entirely.  But I want that blasted 
welcome screen gone!  Can this be done and if so, how? Anyone know 
how to get me back the way I was before?


Thank you!


:: Deb | PBC Web Design
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