[wdvltalk] Re: [OT] CD and DVD drives
Sio said: well said Tim! BTW, I'm a she:) Red-faced Tim replies: I beg your pardon, and offer apologies. :) A girl in my son's class at school is named Siobhana, I should have made the connection. I think I subconsciously hooked your name up with "Sib", one of the early drummers for Boston (one of my favorite bands). Sorry. Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Re: [OT] CD and DVD drives
At 09:26 AM 01/29/2003 -0600, Tim Furry wrote: ...although, for Murphy's sake, I'd probably make two of them. Tim Always! :) CDRs are so inexpensive (sometimes, even free with the right rebates) that there's no excuse to not do so. With double CDR backups, you can keep one copy handy for when you might need something from it and keep the other copy off-site for protection against catastrophe. The best backup in the world can't help you if it is burned in a fire or stolen in a burglary. ALWAYS make at least two copies! :) Cheers, Tom Fosson ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! "...Quite frankly, this is going to be the ONLY Newbie eBusiness Start-Up Kit YOU will ever need..." http://hop.clickbank.net/?cyberpub/imasters It's so *complete*, so *user-friendly*, and so very *affordable* that EVEN non-newbies will LOVE it! The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Re: [OT] CD and DVD drives
well said Tim! BTW, I'm a she:) On 29 Jan 2003 at 9:26, Furry, Tim wrote: Sherry wrote: We've now lost most of the images we tried to archive but in the future I guess we'll just have to put a few on each CD-R. I think we're just not used to thinking in terms of using a huge storage capacity for one or two relatively small items and letting the rest of the disk go to waste. That is what happens when you use a CD-R, correct? I'm wondering if my New England soul doesn't have to readjust from the notion of "waste" being a crime. It seems so wasteful to use such a small space on a CD-R. On the other hand, what's more wasteful than a defective CD-ROM. Sio suggested: In terms of CDR versus CDRW... I usually use CDRs for backups and for some reason like the fact that I can't write over them. Weird, yes, I suppose. Also, have you considered trying out leaving a CDR session open and then adding data to the CD? That might be a viable option. Tim adds: Sherry, if you leave the CD session "open" (you can select that in the burn software), you can add stuff to it later. It will only be readable by PCs until the session is closed (usually only a problem if you're saving music and want to listen to it). Each time you add new files to the CD, you'll take about a 13MB hit as it writes a new table of contents combining the old and new stuff; but on a CDR that has about 750MB, that's not too bad...and I've done it a lot. Even if you're only archiving 1MB or so each time, you can still have about 45 sessions on one CD - you could probably fit a year's worth of newsletters on one this way; just keep adding to the session and close it when it gets full or you've reached a nice place (say, like six months' worth or so). I agree with Sio about liking that he can't write over them - it's nice to know the "archive" is truly an archive. The lab I used to work for jumped on CDR technology early because it was a way we could guarantee the regulatory government bodies that the data we were producing was "unchangeable" by the customer - they couldn't fake the results our lab tests generated. It also let us put numerical data files, tracking logs, and video all on the same media. Pretty cool. So let not your New England soul worry about waste - one 50-cent CDR can still hold a year's worth of newsletters. :-) With room left over for duck pictures. And be way more stable than CDRW to boot - although, for Murphy's sake, I'd probably make two of them. Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to %%email.unsub%% The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Re: [OT] CD and DVD drives
Sherry wrote: We've now lost most of the images we tried to archive but in the future I guess we'll just have to put a few on each CD-R. I think we're just not used to thinking in terms of using a huge storage capacity for one or two relatively small items and letting the rest of the disk go to waste. That is what happens when you use a CD-R, correct? I'm wondering if my New England soul doesn't have to readjust from the notion of "waste" being a crime. It seems so wasteful to use such a small space on a CD-R. On the other hand, what's more wasteful than a defective CD-ROM. Sio suggested: In terms of CDR versus CDRW... I usually use CDRs for backups and for some reason like the fact that I can't write over them. Weird, yes, I suppose. Also, have you considered trying out leaving a CDR session open and then adding data to the CD? That might be a viable option. Tim adds: Sherry, if you leave the CD session "open" (you can select that in the burn software), you can add stuff to it later. It will only be readable by PCs until the session is closed (usually only a problem if you're saving music and want to listen to it). Each time you add new files to the CD, you'll take about a 13MB hit as it writes a new table of contents combining the old and new stuff; but on a CDR that has about 750MB, that's not too bad...and I've done it a lot. Even if you're only archiving 1MB or so each time, you can still have about 45 sessions on one CD - you could probably fit a year's worth of newsletters on one this way; just keep adding to the session and close it when it gets full or you've reached a nice place (say, like six months' worth or so). I agree with Sio about liking that he can't write over them - it's nice to know the "archive" is truly an archive. The lab I used to work for jumped on CDR technology early because it was a way we could guarantee the regulatory government bodies that the data we were producing was "unchangeable" by the customer - they couldn't fake the results our lab tests generated. It also let us put numerical data files, tracking logs, and video all on the same media. Pretty cool. So let not your New England soul worry about waste - one 50-cent CDR can still hold a year's worth of newsletters. :-) With room left over for duck pictures. And be way more stable than CDRW to boot - although, for Murphy's sake, I'd probably make two of them. Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Re: [OT] CD and DVD drives
Sherry, If you are running Windows XP (which I doubt since you are standardized on NN 4.x) you can burn a cd by dragging and dropping on the cdrom drive. I don't know anything about Speedy CD but with EZ CD Creator even if you create the files with UDF format once the cd is full you can then close it to standard format. I expect that Speedy CD would offer something similar. Look for closing cd in the help file. Cheryl D. Wise WiserWays Office: 713.353.0139 Mobile: 713.412.0406 [EMAIL PROTECTED] The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Re: [OT] CD and DVD drives
My wish list: a DVD-RW... -- Keine Probleme, nur Lösungen! http://www.dwacon.com The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Re: [OT] CD and DVD drives
Well, I find Nero much easier to use then easy cd creater. It just offers a lot more functionality IMO. Does Speedy CD have any kind of check box which says something like prevent buffer under runs? In terms of CDR versus CDRW... I usually use CDRs for backups and for some reason like the fact that I can't write over them. Weird, yes, I suppose. Also, have you considered trying out leaving a CDR session open and then adding data to the CD? That might be a viable option. sio On 28 Jan 2003 at 9:31, sherry young wrote: Siobhan, I'm archiving quarterly newsletters, for one thing. We went with CD- RW, not knowing about their unreliability (that not being a feature usually when one buys things) because one measly newsletter hardly takes up any room at all and we wanted to be able to add them as we went along. We've now lost most of the images we tried to archive but in the future I guess we'll just have to put a few on each CD-R. I think we're just not used to thinking in terms of using a huge storage capacity for one or two relatively small items and letting the rest of the disk go to waste. That is what happens when you use a CD-R, correct? The office Backpack CD uses Speedy CD. I find it incredibly easy to use but don't know if it's part of the reliability problem or is it simply the disks that are the problem. My old boss *insisted* on using UDF to save everything because it saved her a few seconds in making the CD. I tried to explain that it was probably better to invest the few seconds (we were archiving, after all) to use a more universally read format but she's a very stubborn young woman (which, to be sure, is how she gets a lot of extraordinary stuff done that would defeat the rest of us). I'm trying to convert those discs onto the universal CD format. At home I have Easy CD and I don't like it at all. Although I've been assured many times that it is easy to use, I find it much more confusing than the office Speedy CD. Alas, the Speedy CD is proprietory to Backpack. Easy CD starts out very easy and goes downhill quickly from there to me. Perhaps it's just that I got used to the drill with Speedy CD first. I will definitely look into Nero Burning ROM. The name alone... How do you think it compares with Speedy/Easy CD? I thought both of those programs have buffer underrun protection. Do they not? Thanks for any tips anyone has. I'm wondering if my New England soul doesn't have to readjust from the notion of "waste" being a crime. It seems so wasteful to use such a small space on a CD-R. On the other hand, what's more wasteful than a defective CD-ROM. I still do not understand how an industry can get away with the sloppy quality control that pervades the computer industry. Do we put up with this sort of "oh yeah, a lot of audio tapes just don't work when you use them" attitude in any other consumer area? It baffles me. Sherry Siobhan Thomas wrote: > > Also, if you are archiving material what is the benefit of using CD-RW over CDR? > > What software are you using for burning? Since the advent of buffer under run protection I have had zero coasters. > > You might want to look into Nero Burning ROM: > > http://www.nero.com/en/ > > There's a free trial download > > sio > > On 27 Jan 2003 at 17:17, Furry, Tim wrote: > > sherry from duckland wrote: > I'm not happy with the CD-RW technology at all. I'm supposed to be > archiving material (images, especially) onto CD-RW disks for my office. > > It helps to have the feedback that the disks are so often no good. Does > anyone have any explanation for this phenomenon? I'd pay extra for > reliability, for some quality control. A bad disk is far worse than > worthless. > > Cheryl responded: > I've found that if you write to cdr you get much more reliable results > than writing to cdrw. Cdr is more widely compatible. Older cdrom drives > may not be able to read all of cdrws at all. > > Tim: > This is what I do, also. I've been using CDR since about 1995 or so as > an experimental technology in a lab I worked in. It's stable, cheap and > reasonably fast, and transfers well between PCs. If you shop around you > can get blanks for about 25-35 cents; use the blue ones (azure dye) for > best stability. I do database and website backups on them all the time, > and throw out the old ones as they become obsolete. I've *rarely* had > one fail, and those times could have been avoided if I'd kept it in the > case. > > Tim > ___ > Tim Furry > Web Developer > Foulston Siefkin LLP > 316.267.6371 > > The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM > To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:wdvltalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: > http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub > > http://www.wdvl.com ___ > > You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank
[wdvltalk] Re: [OT] CD and DVD drives
On January 28, 2003 at 10:12, Siobhan Thomas wrote: > Also, if you are archiving material what is the benefit of using CD-RW > over CDR? If you are backing up automatically using something like: http://www.karenware.com/powertools/ptreplicator.asp then CD-RW works well. I have a client that uses her tool and backs up daily when she is asleep at one am. She loves it. > What software are you using for burning? Since the advent of buffer > under run protection I have had zero coasters. No coasters for her either, uses name brand quality discs as well. > You might want to look into Nero Burning ROM: > http://www.nero.com/en/ > > There's a free trial download All of Karen's Power Tools are free IIRC. Regards, Mark Groen MG Web Services Web Site Hosting and Development www.markgroen.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 604-780-6917 The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Re: [OT] CD and DVD drives
Siobhan, I'm archiving quarterly newsletters, for one thing. We went with CD-RW, not knowing about their unreliability (that not being a feature usually when one buys things) because one measly newsletter hardly takes up any room at all and we wanted to be able to add them as we went along. We've now lost most of the images we tried to archive but in the future I guess we'll just have to put a few on each CD-R. I think we're just not used to thinking in terms of using a huge storage capacity for one or two relatively small items and letting the rest of the disk go to waste. That is what happens when you use a CD-R, correct? The office Backpack CD uses Speedy CD. I find it incredibly easy to use but don't know if it's part of the reliability problem or is it simply the disks that are the problem. My old boss *insisted* on using UDF to save everything because it saved her a few seconds in making the CD. I tried to explain that it was probably better to invest the few seconds (we were archiving, after all) to use a more universally read format but she's a very stubborn young woman (which, to be sure, is how she gets a lot of extraordinary stuff done that would defeat the rest of us). I'm trying to convert those discs onto the universal CD format. At home I have Easy CD and I don't like it at all. Although I've been assured many times that it is easy to use, I find it much more confusing than the office Speedy CD. Alas, the Speedy CD is proprietory to Backpack. Easy CD starts out very easy and goes downhill quickly from there to me. Perhaps it's just that I got used to the drill with Speedy CD first. I will definitely look into Nero Burning ROM. The name alone... How do you think it compares with Speedy/Easy CD? I thought both of those programs have buffer underrun protection. Do they not? Thanks for any tips anyone has. I'm wondering if my New England soul doesn't have to readjust from the notion of "waste" being a crime. It seems so wasteful to use such a small space on a CD-R. On the other hand, what's more wasteful than a defective CD-ROM. I still do not understand how an industry can get away with the sloppy quality control that pervades the computer industry. Do we put up with this sort of "oh yeah, a lot of audio tapes just don't work when you use them" attitude in any other consumer area? It baffles me. Sherry Siobhan Thomas wrote: > > Also, if you are archiving material what is the benefit of using CD-RW over CDR? > > What software are you using for burning? Since the advent of buffer under run >protection I have had zero coasters. > > You might want to look into Nero Burning ROM: > > http://www.nero.com/en/ > > There's a free trial download > > sio > > On 27 Jan 2003 at 17:17, Furry, Tim wrote: > > sherry from duckland wrote: > I'm not happy with the CD-RW technology at all. I'm supposed to be > archiving material (images, especially) onto CD-RW disks for my office. > > It helps to have the feedback that the disks are so often no good. Does > anyone have any explanation for this phenomenon? I'd pay extra for > reliability, for some quality control. A bad disk is far worse than > worthless. > > Cheryl responded: > I've found that if you write to cdr you get much more reliable results > than writing to cdrw. Cdr is more widely compatible. Older cdrom drives > may not be able to read all of cdrws at all. > > Tim: > This is what I do, also. I've been using CDR since about 1995 or so as > an experimental technology in a lab I worked in. It's stable, cheap and > reasonably fast, and transfers well between PCs. If you shop around you > can get blanks for about 25-35 cents; use the blue ones (azure dye) for > best stability. I do database and website backups on them all the time, > and throw out the old ones as they become obsolete. I've *rarely* had > one fail, and those times could have been avoided if I'd kept it in the > case. > > Tim > ___ > Tim Furry > Web Developer > Foulston Siefkin LLP > 316.267.6371 > > The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM > To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: > http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub > > http://www.wdvl.com ___ > > You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to %%email.unsub%% > > The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM > To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: > http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub > > http://www.wdvl.com ___ > > You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The WDVL Discu
[wdvltalk] Re: [OT] CD and DVD drives
Also, if you are archiving material what is the benefit of using CD-RW over CDR? What software are you using for burning? Since the advent of buffer under run protection I have had zero coasters. You might want to look into Nero Burning ROM: http://www.nero.com/en/ There's a free trial download sio On 27 Jan 2003 at 17:17, Furry, Tim wrote: sherry from duckland wrote: I'm not happy with the CD-RW technology at all. I'm supposed to be archiving material (images, especially) onto CD-RW disks for my office. It helps to have the feedback that the disks are so often no good. Does anyone have any explanation for this phenomenon? I'd pay extra for reliability, for some quality control. A bad disk is far worse than worthless. Cheryl responded: I've found that if you write to cdr you get much more reliable results than writing to cdrw. Cdr is more widely compatible. Older cdrom drives may not be able to read all of cdrws at all. Tim: This is what I do, also. I've been using CDR since about 1995 or so as an experimental technology in a lab I worked in. It's stable, cheap and reasonably fast, and transfers well between PCs. If you shop around you can get blanks for about 25-35 cents; use the blue ones (azure dye) for best stability. I do database and website backups on them all the time, and throw out the old ones as they become obsolete. I've *rarely* had one fail, and those times could have been avoided if I'd kept it in the case. Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP 316.267.6371 The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to %%email.unsub%% The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Re: [OT] CD and DVD drives
sherry from duckland wrote: I'm not happy with the CD-RW technology at all. I'm supposed to be archiving material (images, especially) onto CD-RW disks for my office. It helps to have the feedback that the disks are so often no good. Does anyone have any explanation for this phenomenon? I'd pay extra for reliability, for some quality control. A bad disk is far worse than worthless. Cheryl responded: I've found that if you write to cdr you get much more reliable results than writing to cdrw. Cdr is more widely compatible. Older cdrom drives may not be able to read all of cdrws at all. Tim: This is what I do, also. I've been using CDR since about 1995 or so as an experimental technology in a lab I worked in. It's stable, cheap and reasonably fast, and transfers well between PCs. If you shop around you can get blanks for about 25-35 cents; use the blue ones (azure dye) for best stability. I do database and website backups on them all the time, and throw out the old ones as they become obsolete. I've *rarely* had one fail, and those times could have been avoided if I'd kept it in the case. Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP 316.267.6371 The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]