Re: [wdvltalk] [ot] intranet
That's smart thinkiing about the cord Franni.But the only animal we have here likely to chew the carpet is me. Joseph We ran plastic conduit under the floorboard upstairs about 6 years ago to take extension cables for the phones. Needless to say, the floorboards never run in the right direction for making this an easy job. Having got the original cable through with the help of a nice stiff length of garden wire, I had the bright idea that some thin cord fed through with the cable & left there might be useful just in case we had to repeat the exercise, which I've had to do - once to replace dead phone cable, & also to run ethernet cable through. Each time I make certain to run a cord through too. I should say, the main reason we had to 'bury' the cables was we had a large house rabbit at the time - with a fetish for cable chewing. Franni >Now don't frighten me Franni! > >...though maybe if I can only get organised > >> Joseph: >> >> > >> > >> >Sorry, this is turning into a total study of doing intranets, but I >really >> >wanted to have advice before I even got near the practical starting >block. >> >And I already have phone extension wires to all but one likely location, >> >whould these be useable or is it a whole new wire game. >> > >> >> >> Sounds like you'll be having the joy of running ethernet wires under >> the floorboards? >> >> Franni >> >> . The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM . >> To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or >> use the web interface >http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ >> Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com >> To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: >> http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk >> >> http://www.wdvl.com ___ >> >> You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: >> Jupitermedia Corp. >> Attn: Discussion List Management >> 475 Park Avenue South >> New York, NY 10016 >> >> Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. >> >> > > > . The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM . >To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or >use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ >Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com >To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: >http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk > > http://www.wdvl.com ___ > >You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: >Jupitermedia Corp. >Attn: Discussion List Management >475 Park Avenue South >New York, NY 10016 > >Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. . The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM . To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] [ot] intranet
That's fascinating drew.I seem to recall seeing an article on this, though I didn't read it. I'll keep an eye open and an ear to the ground to see what I can find out. Joseph > > > -Original Message- > From: Joseph Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 12:26 AM > To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com > Subject: Re: [wdvltalk] [ot] intranet > > Bj, > > Thanks for the very thorough description; it reminded me that the reason > the old pc as server stuck in my mind was the firewall advantage. And one > firewall is easier to keep up than several. > > > > It might be easier to have only one firewall but it would be smarter to have > an additional firewall on each machine. A firewall with NAT on a cable modem > connected to a router with a firewall and NAT, and then connected to a pc > with a firewall would be best. > > If you've got the ethernet run already, that's great. If not an alternative > to wireless might be available through the power lines in your home. That's > a new alternative starting this side of the pond but has been available in > some European countries for a few years. Don't know if the UK is one or if > it is available in your area. > > drew > > . The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM . > To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or > use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ >Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com > To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk > > http://www.wdvl.com ___ > > You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: > Jupitermedia Corp. > Attn: Discussion List Management > 475 Park Avenue South > New York, NY 10016 > > Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. > > The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] [ot] intranet
We ran plastic conduit under the floorboard upstairs about 6 years ago to take extension cables for the phones. Needless to say, the floorboards never run in the right direction for making this an easy job. Having got the original cable through with the help of a nice stiff length of garden wire, I had the bright idea that some thin cord fed through with the cable & left there might be useful just in case we had to repeat the exercise, which I've had to do - once to replace dead phone cable, & also to run ethernet cable through. Each time I make certain to run a cord through too. I should say, the main reason we had to 'bury' the cables was we had a large house rabbit at the time - with a fetish for cable chewing. Franni Now don't frighten me Franni! ...though maybe if I can only get organised Joseph: > > >Sorry, this is turning into a total study of doing intranets, but I really >wanted to have advice before I even got near the practical starting block. >And I already have phone extension wires to all but one likely location, >whould these be useable or is it a whole new wire game. > Sounds like you'll be having the joy of running ethernet wires under the floorboards? Franni . The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM . To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: Re: [wdvltalk] [ot] intranet
You could try my colleagues at Touchpoint Media/Payco : http://www.touchpointmedia.co.uk - 01928 736617. They're the people we work with on SMS applications, but with another hat on they also supply broadband, plus whatever's needed in the way of modems/routers etc. (Before you ask, no I don't get commission on this!) If anyone on here is based in Cheshire (UK),for the next month you can get your installation & first year's broadband paid for by a grant from one of the development agencies, up to 300 pounds. The countie's pushing for its small businesses to get onto broadband. Yes, I know this is of no use to Joseph, & no use to me here in Cambridge either, but who knows, somebody might be lurking quietly up in the NorthWest... if you are, just give me a shout offlist if you want tdetails sent across. Franni Actually I'm not sure if PCWorld still do them, but they used to sell network cards that worked by running Ethernet over your home telephone extension wires. Of course these cost a LOT more than normal It would cost you around £25 per PC to connect them all by wireless and a wireless router would cost £35 from Amazon Have to get the right broadband supplier though. For example TescoNet will only supply a free USB modem, which is useless for networking, so then you'd have to pay a much higher price for a wireless router with built in ADSL modem, or a separate £45 or so for an Ethernet ADSL modem. Before you pick your broadband supplier make sure they provide an Ethernet ADSL modem. Bj From: "Joseph Harris" Now don't frighten me Franni! > Sounds like you'll be having the joy of running > ethernet wires under > the floorboards? > > Franni - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com virus-checked by McAfee visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] [ot] intranet
-Original Message- From: Joseph Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 12:26 AM To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com Subject: Re: [wdvltalk] [ot] intranet Bj, Thanks for the very thorough description; it reminded me that the reason the old pc as server stuck in my mind was the firewall advantage. And one firewall is easier to keep up than several. It might be easier to have only one firewall but it would be smarter to have an additional firewall on each machine. A firewall with NAT on a cable modem connected to a router with a firewall and NAT, and then connected to a pc with a firewall would be best. If you've got the ethernet run already, that's great. If not an alternative to wireless might be available through the power lines in your home. That's a new alternative starting this side of the pond but has been available in some European countries for a few years. Don't know if the UK is one or if it is available in your area. drew The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: Re: [wdvltalk] [ot] intranet
Actually I'm not sure if PCWorld still do them, but they used to sell network cards that worked by running Ethernet over your home telephone extension wires. Of course these cost a LOT more than normal It would cost you around £25 per PC to connect them all by wireless and a wireless router would cost £35 from Amazon Have to get the right broadband supplier though. For example TescoNet will only supply a free USB modem, which is useless for networking, so then you'd have to pay a much higher price for a wireless router with built in ADSL modem, or a separate £45 or so for an Ethernet ADSL modem. Before you pick your broadband supplier make sure they provide an Ethernet ADSL modem. Bj > > From: "Joseph Harris" > > Now don't frighten me Franni! > > > Sounds like you'll be having the joy of running > > ethernet wires under > > the floorboards? > > > > Franni - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com virus-checked by McAfee visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] [ot] intranet
Bj, Thanks for the very thorough description; it reminded me that the reason the old pc as server stuck in my mind was the firewall advantage. And one firewall is easier to keep up than several. But the simpler solutions are probably the more practical choices for me. I'll see where the pressures are over the next couple of months; with your help and cheryl's I am aware of the choices. I had thought about wireless - until I read of the risks. Joseph > Hi Joseph > > Reading all your ramblings - there are two issues here. Internet access, > and network server. > > There are all kinds of servers. > > A file server is a place to store files, which can be shared on the > network - like all your PCs can have a C: drive that's local to the PC, and > a D: drive that's the same place for all of them so that any of the PCs can > pick up and save the same files. You can achieve a similar effect just by > sharing a folder on any of the network PCs, but then that PC has to be > switched on for the files to be available. > > A print server has printers connected to it and shares them on the network, > so that all the other PCs can print to the same printers. You can achieve a > similar thing by just sharing local printers, but then as above the sharing > PC has to be switched on for the printer to be available. > > A network server manages a network and controls access to it. > > A Web server I'm sure you know about. > > A proxy server has an Internet connection which can be shared on the network > so that all the other PCs can share the same IP address. > > All these functions can be provided by separate computers, or the same > computer can offer some or all of the functions together. It only takes a > low spec computer to provide most of these functions, *however* if you have > an old slow PC with an old slow hard disk as your file server, clearly this > would slow access to your files. > > I currently have some shared data and the print queues for two shared > printers on a server PC. This also acts as a Web server, visible locally on > the local network and visible on the Internet via a dynamic DNS connection, > handy for putting up test sites. The printers themselves connect to the > network using a Jetdirect print server. The Internet connection from cable > broadband modem, the server and the print server and my main workstation all > connect into a Linksys 4-port/wireless router, along with a daisychained > 4-port repeater to let me connect other PCs that I may be working on. And my > laptop connects using wireless. All the PCs can see each other, the files > on the print server, the printers and the Internet. But this is only how it > all ended up - initially I had no file or print server. My files and Web > server were on my workstation. The one printer was plugged into it. There > was an old Pentium 100 PC with two network cards acting as the proxy server, > these two PCs and any other I was working on were plugged into an old cheap > repeater, and that was the network. > > The great advantage of using a proxy server or a router is that your > workstation is behind a firewall and less vulnerable to attacks and > exploits. The disadvantage to a proxy server is that there are some things > hard to do from behind a proxy. Yes, you can also configure it to act as a > mail server - mine used to pick up email every so often during the day, and > it could then be collected as desired. But most internet access is simply > relayed through the proxy, so no, it doesn't act as a temporary store for > downloaded files, for example. > > Oh well it's past my bedtime so I will definitely stop for now > > Bj > The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] [ot] intranet
Now don't frighten me Franni! ...though maybe if I can only get organised > Joseph: > > > > > > >Sorry, this is turning into a total study of doing intranets, but I really > >wanted to have advice before I even got near the practical starting block. > >And I already have phone extension wires to all but one likely location, > >whould these be useable or is it a whole new wire game. > > > > > Sounds like you'll be having the joy of running ethernet wires under > the floorboards? > > Franni > > . The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM . > To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or > use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ >Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com > To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk > > http://www.wdvl.com ___ > > You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: > Jupitermedia Corp. > Attn: Discussion List Management > 475 Park Avenue South > New York, NY 10016 > > Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. > > The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] [ot] intranet
Joseph: Sorry, this is turning into a total study of doing intranets, but I really wanted to have advice before I even got near the practical starting block. And I already have phone extension wires to all but one likely location, whould these be useable or is it a whole new wire game. Sounds like you'll be having the joy of running ethernet wires under the floorboards? Franni The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] [ot] intranet
Hi Joseph Reading all your ramblings - there are two issues here. Internet access, and network server. There are all kinds of servers. A file server is a place to store files, which can be shared on the network - like all your PCs can have a C: drive that's local to the PC, and a D: drive that's the same place for all of them so that any of the PCs can pick up and save the same files. You can achieve a similar effect just by sharing a folder on any of the network PCs, but then that PC has to be switched on for the files to be available. A print server has printers connected to it and shares them on the network, so that all the other PCs can print to the same printers. You can achieve a similar thing by just sharing local printers, but then as above the sharing PC has to be switched on for the printer to be available. A network server manages a network and controls access to it. A Web server I'm sure you know about. A proxy server has an Internet connection which can be shared on the network so that all the other PCs can share the same IP address. All these functions can be provided by separate computers, or the same computer can offer some or all of the functions together. It only takes a low spec computer to provide most of these functions, *however* if you have an old slow PC with an old slow hard disk as your file server, clearly this would slow access to your files. I currently have some shared data and the print queues for two shared printers on a server PC. This also acts as a Web server, visible locally on the local network and visible on the Internet via a dynamic DNS connection, handy for putting up test sites. The printers themselves connect to the network using a Jetdirect print server. The Internet connection from cable broadband modem, the server and the print server and my main workstation all connect into a Linksys 4-port/wireless router, along with a daisychained 4-port repeater to let me connect other PCs that I may be working on. And my laptop connects using wireless. All the PCs can see each other, the files on the print server, the printers and the Internet. But this is only how it all ended up - initially I had no file or print server. My files and Web server were on my workstation. The one printer was plugged into it. There was an old Pentium 100 PC with two network cards acting as the proxy server, these two PCs and any other I was working on were plugged into an old cheap repeater, and that was the network. The great advantage of using a proxy server or a router is that your workstation is behind a firewall and less vulnerable to attacks and exploits. The disadvantage to a proxy server is that there are some things hard to do from behind a proxy. Yes, you can also configure it to act as a mail server - mine used to pick up email every so often during the day, and it could then be collected as desired. But most internet access is simply relayed through the proxy, so no, it doesn't act as a temporary store for downloaded files, for example. Oh well it's past my bedtime so I will definitely stop for now Bj The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] [ot] intranet
Well i must say such simplicity suits me - I was recalling earlier discussions and will have two computers suddenly surplus to requirements; suppose i could link them into a super-computer. Thanks for the clarity. Joseph > Actually Joseph, I'm not sure you even need a server unless you choose BJ's > option 1 and use it as a proxy. > > Otherwise using a router and either letting the computers connect directly > using dial-up or using a router or using a router with the modem built-in > would be your best option. If you do go with the broadband option all you > really need is something like a Linksys, Netgear or other home > firewall/router box. They can be had easily enough for $49-$99 depending on > features. They maybe a bit more in your area but certainly less expensive > than even a low powered computer. Unless you happen to have some lying > around. > > Then use peer to peer built into XP and 98 to share files. > > Cheryl D. Wise > Certified Professional Web Developer > Microsoft FrontPage MVP > http://wiserways.com > Office: 713-353-0139 > > -Original Message- > From: Joseph Harris > > As I read Bj's response (thanks Bj) this was exactly where my mind was > going. (Must be careful not to let it out of sight and lose it) > > It seems that it might be a good place to put passwords and things, maybe do > a temporary store of mail and have a facility to pass files back and forth > (Only one computer will effectively have a scanner, and probably a printer. > I don't think the other users will need the big one's processing power, so > I wouldn't be thinking of Bj's worst option.) > > If it was a staging post for mails I suppose the accounts would be with the > intranet server, and that server would have to have all the web passwords? > That is a disadvantage with spam, and I use mailwasher and some web > addresses to minimise effort with those at the moment. > > I take it all down/up loads would have a temporary home on that server as it > went on its merry way. I was wondering how that might be used. Is it > possible - like an outbox folder - to have matter queued on the server > waiting for connection? > > Could it, perhaps through a USB HDD, become a back-up facility? Does > trying to do so much risk overloading it with programs and processing > activity, thus slowing the web connection? > > I take it controlling it is like running a website, and could even make it a > most effective localhost. And could it become an smtp server, or is that > an ambition beyond my sanity? (I suppose if it is not online all the time > replies would be bounced which can't be good; but perhaps all replies can > be to other boxes.) > > Since it would not be wanted online all the time is that control easy? > > Sorry, this is turning into a total study of doing intranets, but I really > wanted to have advice before I even got near the practical starting block. > And I already have phone extension wires to all but one likely location, > whould these be useable or is it a whole new wire game. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] [ot] intranet
Actually Joseph, I'm not sure you even need a server unless you choose BJ's option 1 and use it as a proxy. Otherwise using a router and either letting the computers connect directly using dial-up or using a router or using a router with the modem built-in would be your best option. If you do go with the broadband option all you really need is something like a Linksys, Netgear or other home firewall/router box. They can be had easily enough for $49-$99 depending on features. They maybe a bit more in your area but certainly less expensive than even a low powered computer. Unless you happen to have some lying around. Then use peer to peer built into XP and 98 to share files. Cheryl D. Wise Certified Professional Web Developer Microsoft FrontPage MVP http://wiserways.com Office: 713-353-0139 -Original Message- From: Joseph Harris As I read Bj's response (thanks Bj) this was exactly where my mind was going. (Must be careful not to let it out of sight and lose it) It seems that it might be a good place to put passwords and things, maybe do a temporary store of mail and have a facility to pass files back and forth (Only one computer will effectively have a scanner, and probably a printer. I don't think the other users will need the big one's processing power, so I wouldn't be thinking of Bj's worst option.) If it was a staging post for mails I suppose the accounts would be with the intranet server, and that server would have to have all the web passwords? That is a disadvantage with spam, and I use mailwasher and some web addresses to minimise effort with those at the moment. I take it all down/up loads would have a temporary home on that server as it went on its merry way. I was wondering how that might be used. Is it possible - like an outbox folder - to have matter queued on the server waiting for connection? Could it, perhaps through a USB HDD, become a back-up facility? Does trying to do so much risk overloading it with programs and processing activity, thus slowing the web connection? I take it controlling it is like running a website, and could even make it a most effective localhost. And could it become an smtp server, or is that an ambition beyond my sanity? (I suppose if it is not online all the time replies would be bounced which can't be good; but perhaps all replies can be to other boxes.) Since it would not be wanted online all the time is that control easy? Sorry, this is turning into a total study of doing intranets, but I really wanted to have advice before I even got near the practical starting block. And I already have phone extension wires to all but one likely location, whould these be useable or is it a whole new wire game. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] [ot] intranet
Cheryl, As I read Bj's response (thanks Bj) this was exactly where my mind was going. (Must be careful not to let it out of sight and lose it) It seems that it might be a good place to put passwords and things, maybe do a temporary store of mail and have a facility to pass files back and forth (Only one computer will effectively have a scanner, and probably a printer. I don't think the other users will need the big one's processing power, so I wouldn't be thinking of Bj's worst option.) If it was a staging post for mails I suppose the accounts would be with the intranet server, and that server would have to have all the web passwords? That is a disadvantage with spam, and I use mailwasher and some web addresses to minimise effort with those at the moment. I take it all down/up loads would have a temporary home on that server as it went on its merry way. I was wondering how that might be used. Is it possible - like an outbox folder - to have matter queued on the server waiting for connection? Could it, perhaps through a USB HDD, become a back-up facility? Does trying to do so much risk overloading it with programs and processing activity, thus slowing the web connection? I take it controlling it is like running a website, and could even make it a most effective localhost. And could it become an smtp server, or is that an ambition beyond my sanity? (I suppose if it is not online all the time replies would be bounced which can't be good; but perhaps all replies can be to other boxes.) Since it would not be wanted online all the time is that control easy? Sorry, this is turning into a total study of doing intranets, but I really wanted to have advice before I even got near the practical starting block. And I already have phone extension wires to all but one likely location, whould these be useable or is it a whole new wire game. Joseph Harris > Joseph, > > What do you want to your server to do? Start from there and then we can > recommend specs. > > Cheryl D. Wise > Certified Professional Web Developer > Microsoft FrontPage MVP > http://wiserways.com > Office: 713-353-0139 > > -Original Message- > From: Joseph Harris > > I am suddenly awash with old computers and heavy debts. I am being led > inevitably to an intranet with, possibly, three computers accessing the net > at the same time. Probably still on dial-up, but considering lowest cost > broadband. > > What would be a wise minimum spec for the server (choice starts at 333Mhz, > W98 and not many Gb). > > > . The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM . > To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or > use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ >Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com > To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk > > http://www.wdvl.com ___ > > You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: > Jupitermedia Corp. > Attn: Discussion List Management > 475 Park Avenue South > New York, NY 10016 > > Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. > > The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] [ot] intranet
Joseph, What do you want to your server to do? Start from there and then we can recommend specs. Cheryl D. Wise Certified Professional Web Developer Microsoft FrontPage MVP http://wiserways.com Office: 713-353-0139 -Original Message- From: Joseph Harris I am suddenly awash with old computers and heavy debts. I am being led inevitably to an intranet with, possibly, three computers accessing the net at the same time. Probably still on dial-up, but considering lowest cost broadband. What would be a wise minimum spec for the server (choice starts at 333Mhz, W98 and not many Gb). The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] [ot] intranet
You can share a dialup connection quite easily, in one of several ways. You can use your lowest spec PC as a proxy server, dialling up the Internet on demand and providing connectivity to the other PCs. This is a completely free option, as WinProxy runs on low spec Win98 PCs (I had it on a P100 with a 4GB hard disk and 64MB RAM) and is free for up to 2 PCs at a time to access the Net through it. This is also the option I used at first to share my broadband connection, before routers became so cheap (Amazon UK sell a Linksys for about £30 free p&p) You can look on eBay for a dialup router, of which there used to be several - this is a small box similar in size to a modem, either with a modem built in or with a serial modem connected, with Ethernet ports on the back for sharing the connection. You can also use put the modem on the higher spec computer being used as the server, and use Windows Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) to provide access for the other PCs, least useful amd most technically demanding solution. - Original Message - From: "Joseph Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 1:38 PM Subject: [wdvltalk] [ot] intranet > I am suddenly awash with old computers and heavy debts. I am being led > inevitably to an intranet with, possibly, three computers accessing the net > at the same time. Probably still on dial-up, but considering lowest cost > broadband. > > What would be a wise minimum spec for the server (choice starts at 333Mhz, > W98 and not many Gb). > > TIA > > Joseph Harris > > > . The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM . > To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or > use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ >Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com > To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: > http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk > > http://www.wdvl.com ___ > > You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: > Jupitermedia Corp. > Attn: Discussion List Management > 475 Park Avenue South > New York, NY 10016 > > Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
