Re: [web2py] Re: How to leverage web2py popularity and usage?

2013-09-11 Thread Michele Comitini
I hope it can be served with web2py itself!  No wordpress please.


2013/9/10 Julie Bouillon julie.bouil...@yedia.com

  No need to reinvent the wheel ;-) Maybe just reactivate this one...


 On 09/09/2013 10:21 PM, Anthony wrote:

 There was one: http://www.web2py.com.ar/planet/. Looks like it's
 returning an error ticket now.

  Anthony

 On Monday, September 9, 2013 12:39:48 PM UTC-4, Julie Bouillon wrote:

  If there's enough enough bloggers out there writing about web2py, I'll
 be happy to put a planet web2py in place.
 Just let me know if there's an interest for that.

 Julie

 On 09/07/2013 06:01 PM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote:

 yes the number time distance between releases has increased, mostly
 because the new features we are adding are more complex (or would have done
 it before).

  I do not know about the number of users.

  I definitively think we need more people to blog about web2py.

  massimo

 On Saturday, 7 September 2013 05:07:53 UTC-5, LightDot wrote:

 I'm always sorry to see a good open source project with little or no
 documentation and a myriad of them are in this sad state. Luckily, web2py
 doesn't have this problem.

 The existence of the documentation is this fairly complete form is one
 of the reasons I chose web2py over other python frameworks. I don't think
 having 40 pages more or less would make me consider web2py faster or
 slower. But a lack of a chapter in the book might have made me choose
 another framework.

 I agree that new users need simple examples, but not at the expense of
 an in depth manual. If there is a consensus that web2py book can be
 intimidating for a complete begginer, perhaps someone can write a short My
 first web2py project in a book form, or something similar? I personally
 think this can be better served with blog articles and publishing of slices.

 Perhaps the growh of web2py userbase has slowed a bit..? I'm not sure
 that it did though. I don't have any insight into statistics to think one
 way or another and I don't trust my perception with this.

 What did slow down is the pace of web2py releases, hasn't it? The period
 between releases is longer than it used to be.


 On Saturday, September 7, 2013 9:54:45 AM UTC+2, webpypy wrote:


 As Massimo said,  the main advantage/objective of web2py framework is
 to be the easiest and fastest to develop web applications.

  I think the rate of growing popularity/interest was high for versions
  2.0 , compared with versions = 2.0 .
 Maybe because of the big size of manual for versions 2.0 , The big
 manual means it is not expected to be the easiest and fastest anymore.

  I suggest explaining the features through well documented
 examples/appliances, keeping the manual small...

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[web2py] Re: How to leverage web2py popularity and usage?

2013-09-11 Thread Derek
I looked at web2py stats on some webpage (i forget now) and it shows 6 main 
developers. However, looking further, they are all Massimo connecting from 
various computers. It would be nice if that was cleaned up.

On Friday, September 6, 2013 3:57:36 PM UTC-7, Diego Carvallo wrote:

 I think that the bigger the active community the greater a framework gets. 
 Like Symphony for example that in a few years has grown so big now it has 
 its own plugin repository (Composer) and dozens of user forums.

 Regarding metrics, it could be a good thing to determine how BuiltWith and 
 Wappalizer detect frameworks to create their usage trend graphs. Both have 
 Chrome extensions that tell you the frameworks used in a certain web page 
 but web2py is usually not detected (not even in my page where I have 
 certainty it was built with web2py). This could help show the world a more 
 accurate graph of web2py usage. Even on web2py's home site 
 http://web2py.com/ Wappalizer detects Bootstrap but not web2py (here 
 BuiltWith does).


 So the options I can come up with:

1. Increase GitHub followers ( As Massimo explained in this 
 threadhttps://groups.google.com/d/msg/web2py/3_DbrusmmF0/SQyb5pX-A2kJ
 )
2. Allow BuildWith to detect web2py ( 
http://trends.builtwith.com/framework/web2py )
3. Allow Wappalizer to detect web2py ( 
http://wappalyzer.com/categories/web-frameworks )
4. Google Trends ( 

 http://www.google.it/trends/explore#q=CodeIgniter|Symfony|web2py|djangohttp://www.google.it/trends/explore#cat=0-5-31q=CodeIgniter%2C%20%20Symfony%2C%20%20web2py%2C%20%20djangocmpt=q
 )
5. Creating more reviews/blog-posts about its features compared to 
other frameworks 
6. Ask to be counted in benckmark tests ( like this one 
http://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/ )
7. Create web2py conferences (like Drupal Camps, or Google GDG for 
example)
8. Start a user forum instead of just using Google Groups


 What else can be done? What are your thoughts?



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[web2py] Re: How to leverage web2py popularity and usage?

2013-09-11 Thread Derek
found it... Ohloh...
https://www.ohloh.net/p/web2py/contributors/summary
So it shows the amount of developers going up and up...
But look at the top 6...
Massimo Di Pierro, mdipierro, mdipierro@massimo-di-pierros-macbook2.local, 
mdipierro@massimo-di-pierros-macbook.local, Massimo DiPierro, and... wait 
for it... Massimo

*sigh* I have no idea how many developers have worked on this, but Ohloh is 
entirely incorrect, and since Massimo is the whole op 6, it makes everyone 
else's contributions seem worthless.




On Wednesday, September 11, 2013 2:25:52 PM UTC-7, Derek wrote:

 I looked at web2py stats on some webpage (i forget now) and it shows 6 
 main developers. However, looking further, they are all Massimo connecting 
 from various computers. It would be nice if that was cleaned up.

 On Friday, September 6, 2013 3:57:36 PM UTC-7, Diego Carvallo wrote:

 I think that the bigger the active community the greater a framework 
 gets. Like Symphony for example that in a few years has grown so big now it 
 has its own plugin repository (Composer) and dozens of user forums.

 Regarding metrics, it could be a good thing to determine how BuiltWith 
 and Wappalizer detect frameworks to create their usage trend graphs. Both 
 have Chrome extensions that tell you the frameworks used in a certain web 
 page but web2py is usually not detected (not even in my page where I have 
 certainty it was built with web2py). This could help show the world a more 
 accurate graph of web2py usage. Even on web2py's home site 
 http://web2py.com/ Wappalizer detects Bootstrap but not web2py (here 
 BuiltWith does).


 So the options I can come up with:

1. Increase GitHub followers ( As Massimo explained in this 
 threadhttps://groups.google.com/d/msg/web2py/3_DbrusmmF0/SQyb5pX-A2kJ
 )
2. Allow BuildWith to detect web2py ( 
http://trends.builtwith.com/framework/web2py )
3. Allow Wappalizer to detect web2py ( 
http://wappalyzer.com/categories/web-frameworks )
4. Google Trends ( 

 http://www.google.it/trends/explore#q=CodeIgniter|Symfony|web2py|djangohttp://www.google.it/trends/explore#cat=0-5-31q=CodeIgniter%2C%20%20Symfony%2C%20%20web2py%2C%20%20djangocmpt=q
 )
5. Creating more reviews/blog-posts about its features compared to 
other frameworks 
6. Ask to be counted in benckmark tests ( like this one 
http://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/ )
7. Create web2py conferences (like Drupal Camps, or Google GDG for 
example)
8. Start a user forum instead of just using Google Groups


 What else can be done? What are your thoughts?



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Re: [web2py] Re: How to leverage web2py popularity and usage?

2013-09-11 Thread Mariano Reingart
On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Anthony abasta...@gmail.com wrote:
 There was one: http://www.web2py.com.ar/planet/. Looks like it's returning
 an error ticket now.


Fixed the planet, althougth it needs to be updated and get some improvements...

The source code is at:

https://code.google.com/p/planet-web2py/

Best regards,

Mariano Reingart
http://www.sistemasagiles.com.ar
http://reingart.blogspot.com

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Re: [web2py] Re: How to leverage web2py popularity and usage?

2013-09-10 Thread Julie Bouillon
No need to reinvent the wheel ;-) Maybe just reactivate this one...

On 09/09/2013 10:21 PM, Anthony wrote:
 There was one: http://www.web2py.com.ar/planet/. Looks like it's
 returning an error ticket now.

 Anthony

 On Monday, September 9, 2013 12:39:48 PM UTC-4, Julie Bouillon wrote:

 If there's enough enough bloggers out there writing about web2py,
 I'll be happy to put a planet web2py in place.
 Just let me know if there's an interest for that.

 Julie

 On 09/07/2013 06:01 PM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote:
 yes the number time distance between releases has increased,
 mostly because the new features we are adding are more complex
 (or would have done it before).

 I do not know about the number of users.

 I definitively think we need more people to blog about web2py.

 massimo

 On Saturday, 7 September 2013 05:07:53 UTC-5, LightDot wrote:

 I'm always sorry to see a good open source project with
 little or no documentation and a myriad of them are in this
 sad state. Luckily, web2py doesn't have this problem.

 The existence of the documentation is this fairly complete
 form is one of the reasons I chose web2py over other python
 frameworks. I don't think having 40 pages more or less would
 make me consider web2py faster or slower. But a lack of a
 chapter in the book might have made me choose another framework.

 I agree that new users need simple examples, but not at the
 expense of an in depth manual. If there is a consensus that
 web2py book can be intimidating for a complete begginer,
 perhaps someone can write a short My first web2py project
 in a book form, or something similar? I personally think this
 can be better served with blog articles and publishing of slices.

 Perhaps the growh of web2py userbase has slowed a bit..? I'm
 not sure that it did though. I don't have any insight into
 statistics to think one way or another and I don't trust my
 perception with this.

 What did slow down is the pace of web2py releases, hasn't it?
 The period between releases is longer than it used to be.


 On Saturday, September 7, 2013 9:54:45 AM UTC+2, webpypy wrote:


 As Massimo said,  the main advantage/objective of web2py
 framework is to be the easiest and fastest to develop web
 applications.

 I think the rate of growing popularity/interest was high
 for versions  2.0 , compared with versions = 2.0 .
 Maybe because of the big size of manual for versions 2.0
 , The big manual means it is not expected to be the
 easiest and fastest anymore.

 I suggest explaining the features through well documented
 examples/appliances, keeping the manual small... 

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Re: [web2py] Re: How to leverage web2py popularity and usage?

2013-09-09 Thread Julie Bouillon
If there's enough enough bloggers out there writing about web2py, I'll
be happy to put a planet web2py in place.
Just let me know if there's an interest for that.

Julie

On 09/07/2013 06:01 PM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote:
 yes the number time distance between releases has increased, mostly
 because the new features we are adding are more complex (or would have
 done it before).

 I do not know about the number of users.

 I definitively think we need more people to blog about web2py.

 massimo

 On Saturday, 7 September 2013 05:07:53 UTC-5, LightDot wrote:

 I'm always sorry to see a good open source project with little or
 no documentation and a myriad of them are in this sad state.
 Luckily, web2py doesn't have this problem.

 The existence of the documentation is this fairly complete form is
 one of the reasons I chose web2py over other python frameworks. I
 don't think having 40 pages more or less would make me consider
 web2py faster or slower. But a lack of a chapter in the book might
 have made me choose another framework.

 I agree that new users need simple examples, but not at the
 expense of an in depth manual. If there is a consensus that web2py
 book can be intimidating for a complete begginer, perhaps someone
 can write a short My first web2py project in a book form, or
 something similar? I personally think this can be better served
 with blog articles and publishing of slices.

 Perhaps the growh of web2py userbase has slowed a bit..? I'm not
 sure that it did though. I don't have any insight into statistics
 to think one way or another and I don't trust my perception with this.

 What did slow down is the pace of web2py releases, hasn't it? The
 period between releases is longer than it used to be.


 On Saturday, September 7, 2013 9:54:45 AM UTC+2, webpypy wrote:


 As Massimo said,  the main advantage/objective of web2py
 framework is to be the easiest and fastest to develop web
 applications.

 I think the rate of growing popularity/interest was high for
 versions  2.0 , compared with versions = 2.0 .
 Maybe because of the big size of manual for versions 2.0 ,
 The big manual means it is not expected to be the easiest and
 fastest anymore.

 I suggest explaining the features through well documented
 examples/appliances, keeping the manual small... 

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Re: [web2py] Re: How to leverage web2py popularity and usage?

2013-09-09 Thread Mirko Scavazzin
I'm interested in.

Julie Bouillon julie.bouil...@yedia.com a écrit :

If there's enough enough bloggers out there writing about web2py, I'll be 
happy to put a planet web2py in place.
Just let me know if there's an interest for that.

Julie

On 09/07/2013 06:01 PM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote:

yes the number time distance between releases has increased, mostly because 
the new features we are adding are more complex (or would have done it 
before). 


I do not know about the number of users.


I definitively think we need more people to blog about web2py.


massimo

On Saturday, 7 September 2013 05:07:53 UTC-5, LightDot wrote: 

I'm always sorry to see a good open source project with little or no 
documentation and a myriad of them are in this sad state. Luckily, web2py 
doesn't have this problem.

The existence of the documentation is this fairly complete form is one of the 
reasons I chose web2py over other python frameworks. I don't think having 40 
pages more or less would make me consider web2py faster or slower. But a lack 
of a chapter in the book might have made me choose another framework.

I agree that new users need simple examples, but not at the expense of an in 
depth manual. If there is a consensus that web2py book can be intimidating for 
a complete begginer, perhaps someone can write a short My first web2py 
project in a book form, or something similar? I personally think this can be 
better served with blog articles and publishing of slices.

Perhaps the growh of web2py userbase has slowed a bit..? I'm not sure that it 
did though. I don't have any insight into statistics to think one way or 
another and I don't trust my perception with this.

What did slow down is the pace of web2py releases, hasn't it? The period 
between releases is longer than it used to be.


On Saturday, September 7, 2013 9:54:45 AM UTC+2, webpypy wrote: 


As Massimo said,  the main advantage/objective of web2py framework is to be 
the easiest and fastest to develop web applications.


I think the rate of growing popularity/interest was high for versions  2.0 , 
compared with versions = 2.0 .

Maybe because of the big size of manual for versions 2.0 , The big manual 
means it is not expected to be the easiest and fastest anymore.


I suggest explaining the features through well documented examples/appliances, 
keeping the manual small... 


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Re: [web2py] Re: How to leverage web2py popularity and usage?

2013-09-09 Thread Anthony
There was one: http://www.web2py.com.ar/planet/. Looks like it's returning 
an error ticket now.

Anthony

On Monday, September 9, 2013 12:39:48 PM UTC-4, Julie Bouillon wrote:

  If there's enough enough bloggers out there writing about web2py, I'll 
 be happy to put a planet web2py in place.
 Just let me know if there's an interest for that.

 Julie

 On 09/07/2013 06:01 PM, Massimo Di Pierro wrote:
  
 yes the number time distance between releases has increased, mostly 
 because the new features we are adding are more complex (or would have done 
 it before). 

  I do not know about the number of users.

  I definitively think we need more people to blog about web2py.

  massimo

 On Saturday, 7 September 2013 05:07:53 UTC-5, LightDot wrote: 

 I'm always sorry to see a good open source project with little or no 
 documentation and a myriad of them are in this sad state. Luckily, web2py 
 doesn't have this problem.

 The existence of the documentation is this fairly complete form is one of 
 the reasons I chose web2py over other python frameworks. I don't think 
 having 40 pages more or less would make me consider web2py faster or 
 slower. But a lack of a chapter in the book might have made me choose 
 another framework.

 I agree that new users need simple examples, but not at the expense of an 
 in depth manual. If there is a consensus that web2py book can be 
 intimidating for a complete begginer, perhaps someone can write a short My 
 first web2py project in a book form, or something similar? I personally 
 think this can be better served with blog articles and publishing of slices.

 Perhaps the growh of web2py userbase has slowed a bit..? I'm not sure 
 that it did though. I don't have any insight into statistics to think one 
 way or another and I don't trust my perception with this.

 What did slow down is the pace of web2py releases, hasn't it? The period 
 between releases is longer than it used to be.


 On Saturday, September 7, 2013 9:54:45 AM UTC+2, webpypy wrote: 


 As Massimo said,  the main advantage/objective of web2py framework is 
 to be the easiest and fastest to develop web applications.

  I think the rate of growing popularity/interest was high for versions 
  2.0 , compared with versions = 2.0 .
 Maybe because of the big size of manual for versions 2.0 , The big 
 manual means it is not expected to be the easiest and fastest anymore.

  I suggest explaining the features through well documented 
 examples/appliances, keeping the manual small... 

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[web2py] Re: How to leverage web2py popularity and usage?

2013-09-07 Thread webpypy

As Massimo said,  the main advantage/objective of web2py framework is to 
be the easiest and fastest to develop web applications.

I think the rate of growing popularity/interest was high for versions  2.0 
, compared with versions = 2.0 .
Maybe because of the big size of manual for versions 2.0 , The big manual 
means it is not expected to be the easiest and fastest anymore.

I suggest explaining the features through well documented 
examples/appliances, keeping the manual small... 

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[web2py] Re: How to leverage web2py popularity and usage?

2013-09-07 Thread LightDot
I'm always sorry to see a good open source project with little or no 
documentation and a myriad of them are in this sad state. Luckily, web2py 
doesn't have this problem.

The existence of the documentation is this fairly complete form is one of 
the reasons I chose web2py over other python frameworks. I don't think 
having 40 pages more or less would make me consider web2py faster or 
slower. But a lack of a chapter in the book might have made me choose 
another framework.

I agree that new users need simple examples, but not at the expense of an 
in depth manual. If there is a consensus that web2py book can be 
intimidating for a complete begginer, perhaps someone can write a short My 
first web2py project in a book form, or something similar? I personally 
think this can be better served with blog articles and publishing of slices.

Perhaps the growh of web2py userbase has slowed a bit..? I'm not sure that 
it did though. I don't have any insight into statistics to think one way or 
another and I don't trust my perception with this.

What did slow down is the pace of web2py releases, hasn't it? The period 
between releases is longer than it used to be.


On Saturday, September 7, 2013 9:54:45 AM UTC+2, webpypy wrote:


 As Massimo said,  the main advantage/objective of web2py framework is to 
 be the easiest and fastest to develop web applications.

 I think the rate of growing popularity/interest was high for versions  
 2.0 , compared with versions = 2.0 .
 Maybe because of the big size of manual for versions 2.0 , The big manual 
 means it is not expected to be the easiest and fastest anymore.

 I suggest explaining the features through well documented 
 examples/appliances, keeping the manual small... 



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[web2py] Re: How to leverage web2py popularity and usage?

2013-09-07 Thread Massimo Di Pierro
yes the number time distance between releases has increased, mostly because 
the new features we are adding are more complex (or would have done it 
before).

I do not know about the number of users.

I definitively think we need more people to blog about web2py.

massimo

On Saturday, 7 September 2013 05:07:53 UTC-5, LightDot wrote:

 I'm always sorry to see a good open source project with little or no 
 documentation and a myriad of them are in this sad state. Luckily, web2py 
 doesn't have this problem.

 The existence of the documentation is this fairly complete form is one of 
 the reasons I chose web2py over other python frameworks. I don't think 
 having 40 pages more or less would make me consider web2py faster or 
 slower. But a lack of a chapter in the book might have made me choose 
 another framework.

 I agree that new users need simple examples, but not at the expense of an 
 in depth manual. If there is a consensus that web2py book can be 
 intimidating for a complete begginer, perhaps someone can write a short My 
 first web2py project in a book form, or something similar? I personally 
 think this can be better served with blog articles and publishing of slices.

 Perhaps the growh of web2py userbase has slowed a bit..? I'm not sure that 
 it did though. I don't have any insight into statistics to think one way or 
 another and I don't trust my perception with this.

 What did slow down is the pace of web2py releases, hasn't it? The period 
 between releases is longer than it used to be.


 On Saturday, September 7, 2013 9:54:45 AM UTC+2, webpypy wrote:


 As Massimo said,  the main advantage/objective of web2py framework is to 
 be the easiest and fastest to develop web applications.

 I think the rate of growing popularity/interest was high for versions  
 2.0 , compared with versions = 2.0 .
 Maybe because of the big size of manual for versions 2.0 , The big 
 manual means it is not expected to be the easiest and fastest anymore.

 I suggest explaining the features through well documented 
 examples/appliances, keeping the manual small... 



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[web2py] Re: How to leverage web2py popularity and usage?

2013-09-06 Thread Brian Hauer
At least with respect to #6, it's not necessary to ask to be part of our 
project--we'd love to have web2py added!  The quickest way to make sure 
that happens is to implement the tests and submit a pull request at the 
GitHub repository:

https://github.com/TechEmpower/FrameworkBenchmarks/

You can use one of the other implementations as a starting point and/or use 
the test specifications:

http://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=code

The Python tests in particular have seen some debate about best practices 
for production deployment configuration, so we'd be interested in hearing 
and seeing your thoughts on that matter.

Let us know if you have any questions at our Google Group:

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!forum/framework-benchmarks

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