[web2py] Re: social network idea
Maybe the bookmarking networks are considerably explored. Yet, most people don't even use the web for anything useful. All they want is already on Facebook galleries and those social networks. Bookmarking options are limited by its sources and most people sources are always the same, you just see what your friends say and your friends that belong to the same circles you do, often only see the very same things you do. I dare to say there is more communication than content. This may be the majority and it is very active but not very dynamic in the sense that social networks and chat problems don't replace each other just because they are better. People are tied with common interests and habits. Hard to change. This is one reason why I like StumbleUpon and twitter and sometimes, even Chatroulette. What I can't find? Oddly enough, I can't find a good code snippet network. GitHub and alikes made a great step with code sharing for full projects. You can search for projects not code snippets. There are many snippet managers that help you managing your snippets. Your code snippets. There isn't much of a link between the previous two. A snippet manager that also allows to search for snippets in others code. I believe that there is room for success here for someone able to do a cross-platform tool combining the capabilities to manage and search/ share code and a good integration. This is a very active minority made of programmers that use their own tools and consider functionality over the most. There is technology for this, a public XML-RPC API, a website and some plugins for main IDE's. Imagine writing your code, find a problem you never solved before and, with minimal effort be able to search for very specific code samples that you can use to learn and even apply when appropriate, always without leaving your Emacs...
[web2py] Re: social network idea
Maybe the bookmarking networks are considerably explored. Yet, most people don't even use the web for anything useful. All they want is already on Facebook galleries and those social networks. Bookmarking options are limited by its sources and most people sources are always the same, you just see what your friends say and your friends that belong to the same circles you do, often only see the very same things you do. I dare to say there is more communication than content. This may be the majority and it is very active but not very dynamic in the sense that social networks and chat programs don't replace each other just because they are better. People are tied with common interests and habits. Hard to change. This is one reason why I like StumbleUpon and twitter and sometimes, even Chatroulette. What I can't find? Oddly enough, I can't find a good code snippet network. GitHub and alikes made a great step with code sharing for full projects. You can search for projects not code snippets. There are many snippet managers that help you managing your snippets. Your code snippets. There isn't much of a link between the previous two. A snippet manager that also allows to search for snippets in others code. I believe that there is room for success here for someone able to do a cross-platform tool combining the capabilities to manage and search/ share code and a good integration. This is a very active minority made of programmers that use their own tools and consider functionality over the most. There is technology for this, a public XML-RPC API, a website and some plugins for main IDE's. I also believe this would be great for ourselves and for web2py visibility if this website used it. Imagine writing your code, find a problem you never solved before and, with minimal effort be able to search for very specific code samples that you can use to learn and even apply when appropriate, always without leaving your Emacs...
[web2py] Re: social network idea
On Wednesday, January 19, 2011 6:54:05 AM UTC-5, blackthorne wrote: Oddly enough, I can't find a good code snippet network. GitHub and alikes made a great step with code sharing for full projects. You can search for projects not code snippets. There are many snippet managers that help you managing your snippets. Your code snippets. There isn't much of a link between the previous two. A snippet manager that also allows to search for snippets in others code. I believe that there is room for success here for someone able to do a cross-platform tool combining the capabilities to manage and search/ share code and a good integration. This is a very active minority made of programmers that use their own tools and consider functionality over the most. There is technology for this, a public XML-RPC API, a website and some plugins for main IDE's. I also believe this would be great for ourselves and for web2py visibility if this website used it. Imagine writing your code, find a problem you never solved before and, with minimal effort be able to search for very specific code samples that you can use to learn and even apply when appropriate, always without leaving your Emacs... Cool idea. Not exactly what you describe, but maybe a step in the right direction: http://nullege.com/
[web2py] Re: social network idea
$9.19? They got the business model wrong. On Jan 18, 12:12 am, Tom Atkins minkto...@gmail.com wrote: http://pinboard.ingives me a list of people to check out based on their bookmarking history. I don't know the details of the algorithm and there's no flexibility in refining the recommendations but I've found some interesting people to add to my 'network'. You can only see the username of the person. The ability to find out more about people and then contact them as Massimo suggests would be a good feature. The Facebook feature that lets you create 'lists' of friends so you can share things with sub-groups of your friends is not subtle enough - as far as I can tell it only allows you to send 'messages' to people in a list - this can be intrusive as it ends up in their 'inbox' and also usually emailed. It would be better if you could also do 'wall' posts that can only be seen by a sub group of friends (e.g. rude joke for my friends to see but not family).
[web2py] Re: social network idea
At a second look... http://pinboard.in/ this is very close to what I proposed. The fee is a one-time sign up fee. Their business model is very interesting but will prevent growth (the more users the more it costs to join - clearly not designed by an economist! - reminiscent of the social security business model). On Jan 18, 8:30 am, Massimo Di Pierro massimo.dipie...@gmail.com wrote: $9.19? They got the business model wrong. On Jan 18, 12:12 am, Tom Atkins minkto...@gmail.com wrote: http://pinboard.ingivesme a list of people to check out based on their bookmarking history. I don't know the details of the algorithm and there's no flexibility in refining the recommendations but I've found some interesting people to add to my 'network'. You can only see the username of the person. The ability to find out more about people and then contact them as Massimo suggests would be a good feature. The Facebook feature that lets you create 'lists' of friends so you can share things with sub-groups of your friends is not subtle enough - as far as I can tell it only allows you to send 'messages' to people in a list - this can be intrusive as it ends up in their 'inbox' and also usually emailed. It would be better if you could also do 'wall' posts that can only be seen by a sub group of friends (e.g. rude joke for my friends to see but not family).
[web2py] Re: social network idea
I found diigo is a really good bookmarking site. It has some social features, although not the ability to find people with same bookmarks nearby. On Jan 18, 8:44 am, Massimo Di Pierro massimo.dipie...@gmail.com wrote: At a second look... http://pinboard.in/this is very close to what I proposed. The fee is a one-time sign up fee. Their business model is very interesting but will prevent growth (the more users the more it costs to join - clearly not designed by an economist! - reminiscent of the social security business model). On Jan 18, 8:30 am, Massimo Di Pierro massimo.dipie...@gmail.com wrote: $9.19? They got the business model wrong. On Jan 18, 12:12 am, Tom Atkins minkto...@gmail.com wrote: http://pinboard.ingivesmea list of people to check out based on their bookmarking history. I don't know the details of the algorithm and there's no flexibility in refining the recommendations but I've found some interesting people to add to my 'network'. You can only see the username of the person. The ability to find out more about people and then contact them as Massimo suggests would be a good feature. The Facebook feature that lets you create 'lists' of friends so you can share things with sub-groups of your friends is not subtle enough - as far as I can tell it only allows you to send 'messages' to people in a list - this can be intrusive as it ends up in their 'inbox' and also usually emailed. It would be better if you could also do 'wall' posts that can only be seen by a sub group of friends (e.g. rude joke for my friends to see but not family).
[web2py] Re: social network idea
A bit late, but thought I'd put my 2 cents worth anyways (and besides, you did ask ;), I think what your proposing is great, there's no doubt there :) I took your comment as We need to think of something different... and went with that, and not to find an alternative to your proposal (because I really do like it and I would be a user ;) ). I was thinking the discussion is about 'different', and once we do that, it will most likely boil down to a question of choice... I think. Why should the social network handle content? Because the social network is already handling content. In fact, it is leading the discussions. It has an environment (color, layout, adds (which is what turned me off), forms (i.e. to create a profile)), it has rules and it does have preset content where 'friends' can annoy everyone until our eyes fall out with their enjoyment of 24 horoscope predictions daily. Sure, we can kick them to the curb and hide them, but that does defeat the purpose, doesn't? Anyways, my point was simply that, for me, the perfect social networking is where I get to take control of my space and decide what, to a greater degree, the content of my space and, what kind of information I want to use to be social... Maybe I don't have any interest in catching up with old college buddies or being suggested that you ave worked with these people is a good way to add to my collection of friends. I would rather control my search criteria (Eg. only search for people who like pre-classical non tempered violin duos ;) - no, I wouldn't really have that in my criteria). And, ideally, the people make the top 10 search results have the choice to say yeah, ok let this guy look at my information (because I would appreciate that as well). Anyways, before I stop typing (yes, I can do that ;) ) Id like to add that I do not necessarily disagree with your opening analysis: It seems to me the main problem to me is that a lot of people are alone they because do not necessarily share interests with their colleagues and family members. Its just that I think its an assumption, like you said... I don't think its about not sharing any interests, i rather think its about not knowing how to share interests (specially with family, i would think)... Ok, I'm done typing :) Mart :) On Jan 18, 10:29 am, Massimo Di Pierro massimo.dipie...@gmail.com wrote: I found diigo is a really good bookmarking site. It has some social features, although not the ability to find people with same bookmarks nearby. On Jan 18, 8:44 am, Massimo Di Pierro massimo.dipie...@gmail.com wrote: At a second look... http://pinboard.in/thisis very close to what I proposed. The fee is a one-time sign up fee. Their business model is very interesting but will prevent growth (the more users the more it costs to join - clearly not designed by an economist! - reminiscent of the social security business model). On Jan 18, 8:30 am, Massimo Di Pierro massimo.dipie...@gmail.com wrote: $9.19? They got the business model wrong. On Jan 18, 12:12 am, Tom Atkins minkto...@gmail.com wrote: http://pinboard.ingivesmealist of people to check out based on their bookmarking history. I don't know the details of the algorithm and there's no flexibility in refining the recommendations but I've found some interesting people to add to my 'network'. You can only see the username of the person. The ability to find out more about people and then contact them as Massimo suggests would be a good feature. The Facebook feature that lets you create 'lists' of friends so you can share things with sub-groups of your friends is not subtle enough - as far as I can tell it only allows you to send 'messages' to people in a list - this can be intrusive as it ends up in their 'inbox' and also usually emailed. It would be better if you could also do 'wall' posts that can only be seen by a sub group of friends (e.g. rude joke for my friends to see but not family).
[web2py] Re: social network idea
On Jan 17, 1:43 pm, Massimo Di Pierro massimo.dipie...@gmail.com wrote: Most social network assue you know who your friends are and allow you to share info with your friends. How about the opposite? Something like a bookmarking app that tells me who my friends should be based on physical distance and recent common bookmarks? It seems to me the main problem to me is that a lot of people are alone they because do not necessarily share interests with their colleagues and family members. Facebook is popular because it allows people to connect with people that they knew and therefore assume had something in common. Until people find out time has passed by and there is not really much to talk about. You can be a scientist and soon find your page polluted with somebody's horoscope. - a bookmarking system likehttp://radbox.me/ - when you bookmark something you tag with fixed categories - a way to sort/organize and rate own bookmarks using mouse drag and drop. - you have a profile and public pages showing your bookmarks only (can be used by a prof to share links with students for example) - Once logged in you can see other users nearby that bookmarked - independently - the same links, and filter then by location, gender, age, bookmark category (could compete with match.com too) - You can then choose to be notified when a given person bookmarks something new (like twitter) - You can check who is following your bookmarks. Massimo That's a very good idea! Mr.Netadmin
[web2py] Re: social network idea
I am mostly thinking of the kids and parents' paranoia (like mine ;) ), where they need to start with something that is like what everyone else is doing, but safely and securely... I still think that the younger crowd are overlooked and excluded from the good stuff (and they do get the good stuff on their own...) but that's just my humble opinion :) Your social networking idea is great BTW! Mart ) On Jan 17, 3:01 pm, Massimo Di Pierro massimo.dipie...@gmail.com wrote: True. But now we have that. We need to think of something different and better, not copy it. On Jan 17, 1:55 pm, Albert Abril albert.ab...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO, I think that the best feature of facebook is that you can share things (links, video, music), with a subgroup of friends. In example, you if you have a group of friends that you know that they love music, you share music videos with them. (and only with them). Another example, the familiar christhmas photos, you'll share only with members of your family (another subgroup of friends). Albert On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Massimo Di Pierro massimo.dipie...@gmail.com wrote: Most social network assue you know who your friends are and allow you to share info with your friends. How about the opposite? Something like a bookmarking app that tells me who my friends should be based on physical distance and recent common bookmarks? It seems to me the main problem to me is that a lot of people are alone they because do not necessarily share interests with their colleagues and family members. Facebook is popular because it allows people to connect with people that they knew and therefore assume had something in common. Until people find out time has passed by and there is not really much to talk about. You can be a scientist and soon find your page polluted with somebody's horoscope. - a bookmarking system likehttp://radbox.me/ - when you bookmark something you tag with fixed categories - a way to sort/organize and rate own bookmarks using mouse drag and drop. - you have a profile and public pages showing your bookmarks only (can be used by a prof to share links with students for example) - Once logged in you can see other users nearby that bookmarked - independently - the same links, and filter then by location, gender, age, bookmark category (could compete with match.com too) - You can then choose to be notified when a given person bookmarks something new (like twitter) - You can check who is following your bookmarks. Massimo
[web2py] Re: social network idea
I agree this does not address your issue. On Jan 17, 2:44 pm, mart msenecal...@gmail.com wrote: I am mostly thinking of the kids and parents' paranoia (like mine ;) ), where they need to start with something that is like what everyone else is doing, but safely and securely... I still think that the younger crowd are overlooked and excluded from the good stuff (and they do get the good stuff on their own...) but that's just my humble opinion :) Your social networking idea is great BTW! Mart ) On Jan 17, 3:01 pm, Massimo Di Pierro massimo.dipie...@gmail.com wrote: True. But now we have that. We need to think of something different and better, not copy it. On Jan 17, 1:55 pm, Albert Abril albert.ab...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO, I think that the best feature of facebook is that you can share things (links, video, music), with a subgroup of friends. In example, you if you have a group of friends that you know that they love music, you share music videos with them. (and only with them). Another example, the familiar christhmas photos, you'll share only with members of your family (another subgroup of friends). Albert On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Massimo Di Pierro massimo.dipie...@gmail.com wrote: Most social network assue you know who your friends are and allow you to share info with your friends. How about the opposite? Something like a bookmarking app that tells me who my friends should be based on physical distance and recent common bookmarks? It seems to me the main problem to me is that a lot of people are alone they because do not necessarily share interests with their colleagues and family members. Facebook is popular because it allows people to connect with people that they knew and therefore assume had something in common. Until people find out time has passed by and there is not really much to talk about. You can be a scientist and soon find your page polluted with somebody's horoscope. - a bookmarking system likehttp://radbox.me/ - when you bookmark something you tag with fixed categories - a way to sort/organize and rate own bookmarks using mouse drag and drop. - you have a profile and public pages showing your bookmarks only (can be used by a prof to share links with students for example) - Once logged in you can see other users nearby that bookmarked - independently - the same links, and filter then by location, gender, age, bookmark category (could compete with match.com too) - You can then choose to be notified when a given person bookmarks something new (like twitter) - You can check who is following your bookmarks. Massimo
[web2py] Re: social network idea
How about something for the tinkers? Something like one of those super malls but for social networking. A place as varied in its members as it is in content? For example, assuming that life is more than just being about sharing pictures and one-liners on somebody's wall (not that there's anything bad about that because it is always fun), the tinker may like to make use of tools (or mini-apps or usable plug-ins) to do things like hosting an amateur seminar on... well, hopefully on something interesting (what ever the field of interest may be), or have his/her own how-to-pages within their space, or some place to host an online withe-boarding session with friends, etc... Maybe something like this can get a few more folks involved in web2py? I don't know how or of this is something possible (or may even be a silly idea), but would certainly grab my attention, and if it were doable, the tinker may enjoy making use web2py built (pre-built) widgets and go a little beyond the usual Hi, this is me, and this is my picture, and I read books, and that's me 20 years ago, etc..., maybe place where he/she can announce Next wednesday, I will be hosting a talk followed by a QA on how to turn an old swing set into a collapsable bed-frame :) So, something that looks like content sharing, ownership and creation... Maybe a scaffolding app that has an api that easily (relatively speaking) integrates to a web2py-ish widgets? ANyways, just thinking, what would be a little more hands on and still offer the thrill of networking socially... and who knows, maybe the really smart guy/girls out there makes a widget to enable real time web conferencing for this app? then maybe folks out there are asking where's web2py and how do I get some? or disregard this post if wacky (and no, I do not sleep a lot) :) Mart :) On Jan 17, 4:13 pm, Massimo Di Pierro massimo.dipie...@gmail.com wrote: I agree this does not address your issue. On Jan 17, 2:44 pm, mart msenecal...@gmail.com wrote: I am mostly thinking of the kids and parents' paranoia (like mine ;) ), where they need to start with something that is like what everyone else is doing, but safely and securely... I still think that the younger crowd are overlooked and excluded from the good stuff (and they do get the good stuff on their own...) but that's just my humble opinion :) Your social networking idea is great BTW! Mart ) On Jan 17, 3:01 pm, Massimo Di Pierro massimo.dipie...@gmail.com wrote: True. But now we have that. We need to think of something different and better, not copy it. On Jan 17, 1:55 pm, Albert Abril albert.ab...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO, I think that the best feature of facebook is that you can share things (links, video, music), with a subgroup of friends. In example, you if you have a group of friends that you know that they love music, you share music videos with them. (and only with them). Another example, the familiar christhmas photos, you'll share only with members of your family (another subgroup of friends). Albert On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Massimo Di Pierro massimo.dipie...@gmail.com wrote: Most social network assue you know who your friends are and allow you to share info with your friends. How about the opposite? Something like a bookmarking app that tells me who my friends should be based on physical distance and recent common bookmarks? It seems to me the main problem to me is that a lot of people are alone they because do not necessarily share interests with their colleagues and family members. Facebook is popular because it allows people to connect with people that they knew and therefore assume had something in common. Until people find out time has passed by and there is not really much to talk about. You can be a scientist and soon find your page polluted with somebody's horoscope. - a bookmarking system likehttp://radbox.me/ - when you bookmark something you tag with fixed categories - a way to sort/organize and rate own bookmarks using mouse drag and drop. - you have a profile and public pages showing your bookmarks only (can be used by a prof to share links with students for example) - Once logged in you can see other users nearby that bookmarked - independently - the same links, and filter then by location, gender, age, bookmark category (could compete with match.com too) - You can then choose to be notified when a given person bookmarks something new (like twitter) - You can check who is following your bookmarks. Massimo
[web2py] Re: social network idea
What I proposed allows you post links and organize them. Why should the social network handle content? I can post a video on viemo,bookmark it with my network and find out who else is interested in it. I like the idea of being able to handle groups of users though. Facebook does it. In a sense a group is just like a user that does not correspond to a physical person. Massimo On Jan 17, 4:15 pm, mart msenecal...@gmail.com wrote: How about something for the tinkers? Something like one of those super malls but for social networking. A place as varied in its members as it is in content? For example, assuming that life is more than just being about sharing pictures and one-liners on somebody's wall (not that there's anything bad about that because it is always fun), the tinker may like to make use of tools (or mini-apps or usable plug-ins) to do things like hosting an amateur seminar on... well, hopefully on something interesting (what ever the field of interest may be), or have his/her own how-to-pages within their space, or some place to host an online withe-boarding session with friends, etc... Maybe something like this can get a few more folks involved in web2py? I don't know how or of this is something possible (or may even be a silly idea), but would certainly grab my attention, and if it were doable, the tinker may enjoy making use web2py built (pre-built) widgets and go a little beyond the usual Hi, this is me, and this is my picture, and I read books, and that's me 20 years ago, etc..., maybe place where he/she can announce Next wednesday, I will be hosting a talk followed by a QA on how to turn an old swing set into a collapsable bed-frame :) So, something that looks like content sharing, ownership and creation... Maybe a scaffolding app that has an api that easily (relatively speaking) integrates to a web2py-ish widgets? ANyways, just thinking, what would be a little more hands on and still offer the thrill of networking socially... and who knows, maybe the really smart guy/girls out there makes a widget to enable real time web conferencing for this app? then maybe folks out there are asking where's web2py and how do I get some? or disregard this post if wacky (and no, I do not sleep a lot) :) Mart :) On Jan 17, 4:13 pm, Massimo Di Pierro massimo.dipie...@gmail.com wrote: I agree this does not address your issue. On Jan 17, 2:44 pm, mart msenecal...@gmail.com wrote: I am mostly thinking of the kids and parents' paranoia (like mine ;) ), where they need to start with something that is like what everyone else is doing, but safely and securely... I still think that the younger crowd are overlooked and excluded from the good stuff (and they do get the good stuff on their own...) but that's just my humble opinion :) Your social networking idea is great BTW! Mart ) On Jan 17, 3:01 pm, Massimo Di Pierro massimo.dipie...@gmail.com wrote: True. But now we have that. We need to think of something different and better, not copy it. On Jan 17, 1:55 pm, Albert Abril albert.ab...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO, I think that the best feature of facebook is that you can share things (links, video, music), with a subgroup of friends. In example, you if you have a group of friends that you know that they love music, you share music videos with them. (and only with them). Another example, the familiar christhmas photos, you'll share only with members of your family (another subgroup of friends). Albert On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Massimo Di Pierro massimo.dipie...@gmail.com wrote: Most social network assue you know who your friends are and allow you to share info with your friends. How about the opposite? Something like a bookmarking app that tells me who my friends should be based on physical distance and recent common bookmarks? It seems to me the main problem to me is that a lot of people are alone they because do not necessarily share interests with their colleagues and family members. Facebook is popular because it allows people to connect with people that they knew and therefore assume had something in common. Until people find out time has passed by and there is not really much to talk about. You can be a scientist and soon find your page polluted with somebody's horoscope. - a bookmarking system likehttp://radbox.me/ - when you bookmark something you tag with fixed categories - a way to sort/organize and rate own bookmarks using mouse drag and drop. - you have a profile and public pages showing your bookmarks only (can be used by a prof to share links with students for example) - Once logged in you can see other users nearby that bookmarked - independently - the same links, and filter then by location,
