[webkit-dev] Do you maintain OS(WINCE)?

2011-09-12 Thread Geoffrey Garen
Hi folks.

It looks like another build variant that relies on threads not existing in 
WebKit and JavaScriptCore is OS(WINCE).

Do you maintain OS(WINCE)? If so, are you interested in implemented 
JavaScriptCore threading primitives for it?

If nobody maintains OS(WINCE), I'm inclined to remove it in a follow-up patch.

Thanks,
Geoff
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Re: [webkit-dev] Do you maintain OS(WINCE)?

2011-09-13 Thread Antonio Gomes
I believe it was maintained by Torch Mobile, and, according to George
Staikos, it is not part of the plans any more (Torch was acquired by RIM).

Not sure of others using it though. If no one speak up, I would say it is
safe to remove at this point.

Cheers,

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Geoffrey Garen  wrote:

> Hi folks.
>
> It looks like another build variant that relies on threads not existing in
> WebKit and JavaScriptCore is OS(WINCE).
>
> Do you maintain OS(WINCE)? If so, are you interested in implemented
> JavaScriptCore threading primitives for it?
>
> If nobody maintains OS(WINCE), I'm inclined to remove it in a follow-up
> patch.
>
> Thanks,
> Geoff
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Re: [webkit-dev] Do you maintain OS(WINCE)?

2011-09-13 Thread Eric Seidel
I also noticed that WINCE looks abandoned in my work on bug 68018 this morning.

-eric

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Antonio Gomes  wrote:
> I believe it was maintained by Torch Mobile, and, according to George
> Staikos, it is not part of the plans any more (Torch was acquired by RIM).
>
> Not sure of others using it though. If no one speak up, I would say it is
> safe to remove at this point.
>
> Cheers,
>
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Geoffrey Garen  wrote:
>>
>> Hi folks.
>>
>> It looks like another build variant that relies on threads not existing in
>> WebKit and JavaScriptCore is OS(WINCE).
>>
>> Do you maintain OS(WINCE)? If so, are you interested in implemented
>> JavaScriptCore threading primitives for it?
>>
>> If nobody maintains OS(WINCE), I'm inclined to remove it in a follow-up
>> patch.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Geoff
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Re: [webkit-dev] Do you maintain OS(WINCE)?

2011-09-13 Thread Leandro Pereira

Antonio,

On 09/13/2011 04:00 PM, Antonio Gomes wrote:


I believe it was maintained by Torch Mobile, and, according to George
Staikos, it is not part of the plans any more (Torch was acquired by RIM).



AFAIR, Patrick Gansterer (paroga) is still working on the WinCE port. He 
usually informally reviews CMake-related changes.


   Leandro
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Re: [webkit-dev] Do you maintain OS(WINCE)?

2011-09-13 Thread Adam Roben
On Sep 13, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Leandro Pereira wrote:

> Antonio,
> 
> On 09/13/2011 04:00 PM, Antonio Gomes wrote:
>> 
>> I believe it was maintained by Torch Mobile, and, according to George
>> Staikos, it is not part of the plans any more (Torch was acquired by RIM).
>> 
> 
> AFAIR, Patrick Gansterer (paroga) is still working on the WinCE port. He 
> usually informally reviews CMake-related changes.

I believe this is correct. He also maintains a buildbot: 
http://build.webkit.org/builders/WinCE%20Release%20%28Build%29

-Adam


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Re: [webkit-dev] Do you maintain OS(WINCE)?

2011-09-13 Thread Patrick Gansterer
Hi,

Am 13.09.2011 um 21:37 schrieb Adam Roben:

> On Sep 13, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Leandro Pereira wrote:
> 
>> Antonio,
>> 
>> On 09/13/2011 04:00 PM, Antonio Gomes wrote:
>>> 
>>> I believe it was maintained by Torch Mobile, and, according to George
>>> Staikos, it is not part of the plans any more (Torch was acquired by RIM).
>>> 
>> 
>> AFAIR, Patrick Gansterer (paroga) is still working on the WinCE port. He 
>> usually informally reviews CMake-related changes.
> 
> I believe this is correct. He also maintains a buildbot: 
> http://build.webkit.org/builders/WinCE%20Release%20%28Build%29

Yes, that's correct.

How do we measure an "active port"??? I maintain a buildbot for WinCe and 
usually fix problems with the port within hours. Unfortunately I don't get paid 
to work on WebKit the whole day and so I can't make such big steps forward like 
other ports do.
Other active ports (e.g. wx) don't even have a buildbot and get maintained too.
Some configuration like BREWMP or HAIKU don't have buildbot and I can't see any 
build fixes or _upstraeming_ activity for them within the last months.

So PLEASE: When do we call a port "active"? It's not cool to get the question 
about removal every few months!

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Re: [webkit-dev] Do you maintain OS(WINCE)?

2011-09-13 Thread Ryosuke Niwa
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Patrick Gansterer wrote:
>
> Yes, that's correct.
>
> How do we measure an "active port"??? I maintain a buildbot for WinCe and
> usually fix problems with the port within hours. Unfortunately I don't get
> paid to work on WebKit the whole day and so I can't make such big steps
> forward like other ports do.
> Other active ports (e.g. wx) don't even have a buildbot and get maintained
> too.
> Some configuration like BREWMP or HAIKU don't have buildbot and I can't see
> any build fixes or _upstraeming_ activity for them within the last months.
>
> So PLEASE: When do we call a port "active"? It's not cool to get the
> question about removal every few months!


Maybe we should have a wiki page with a list of ports and the point of
contact.

- Ryosuke
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Re: [webkit-dev] Do you maintain OS(WINCE)?

2011-09-13 Thread Kenneth Rohde Christiansen
We already have a list of reviewers and committers and it should
mention which port people work on.

Kenneth

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:41 PM, Ryosuke Niwa  wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Patrick Gansterer 
> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, that's correct.
>>
>> How do we measure an "active port"??? I maintain a buildbot for WinCe and
>> usually fix problems with the port within hours. Unfortunately I don't get
>> paid to work on WebKit the whole day and so I can't make such big steps
>> forward like other ports do.
>> Other active ports (e.g. wx) don't even have a buildbot and get maintained
>> too.
>> Some configuration like BREWMP or HAIKU don't have buildbot and I can't
>> see any build fixes or _upstraeming_ activity for them within the last
>> months.
>>
>> So PLEASE: When do we call a port "active"? It's not cool to get the
>> question about removal every few months!
>
> Maybe we should have a wiki page with a list of ports and the point of
> contact.
> - Ryosuke
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Re: [webkit-dev] Do you maintain OS(WINCE)?

2011-09-13 Thread Eric Seidel
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Patrick Gansterer  wrote:
> How do we measure an "active port"??? I maintain a buildbot for WinCe and 
> usually fix problems with the port within hours. Unfortunately I don't get 
> paid to work on WebKit the whole day and so I can't make such big steps 
> forward like other ports do.
> Other active ports (e.g. wx) don't even have a buildbot and get maintained 
> too.
> Some configuration like BREWMP or HAIKU don't have buildbot and I can't see 
> any build fixes or _upstraeming_ activity for them within the last months.

I think this is a good question.  We don't currently have many
guidelines around this question.

> So PLEASE: When do we call a port "active"? It's not cool to get the question 
> about removal every few months!

I think you're unfortunately caught in the cross-fire of recent
efforts to try and simply WebCore's configuration.

There is an increasing burden to continued development of all the
various #if switches in WebCore.

We don't currently have any central way to view which ports have which
#if's turned on vs. off.
We don't even have a way to view what ports exist!

All these #ifs make daily development difficult.  In this example,
Geoff is looking to get rid of the non-threaded JSC #if (to simplify
code on all ports).  WINCE currently builds with this option
(intentionally or not).


I think that you're right that we should better clarify what it means
to be an "active" port, and what benefits/responsibilities such
"activity" implies.

-eric
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Re: [webkit-dev] Do you maintain OS(WINCE)?

2011-09-13 Thread Patrick Gansterer
I'm not sure if you refer to [1] or want to improve [2]. If I look at [1] I see 
Yong Li at the WinCE port too. That's correct for the knowledge of the code, 
but does not represent any current work done.
Some guideline about how to maintain the list might be helpful too.

[1] http://trac.webkit.org/wiki/WebKit%20Team
[2] 
http://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/Tools/Scripts/webkitpy/common/config/committers.py

Patrick

Am 13.09.2011 um 23:44 schrieb Kenneth Rohde Christiansen:

> We already have a list of reviewers and committers and it should
> mention which port people work on.
> 
> Kenneth
> 
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:41 PM, Ryosuke Niwa  wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Patrick Gansterer 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, that's correct.
>>> 
>>> How do we measure an "active port"??? I maintain a buildbot for WinCe and
>>> usually fix problems with the port within hours. Unfortunately I don't get
>>> paid to work on WebKit the whole day and so I can't make such big steps
>>> forward like other ports do.
>>> Other active ports (e.g. wx) don't even have a buildbot and get maintained
>>> too.
>>> Some configuration like BREWMP or HAIKU don't have buildbot and I can't
>>> see any build fixes or _upstraeming_ activity for them within the last
>>> months.
>>> 
>>> So PLEASE: When do we call a port "active"? It's not cool to get the
>>> question about removal every few months!
>> 
>> Maybe we should have a wiki page with a list of ports and the point of
>> contact.
>> - Ryosuke
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Re: [webkit-dev] Do you maintain OS(WINCE)?

2011-09-13 Thread Leandro Pereira

On 09/13/2011 06:45 PM, Eric Seidel wrote:


We don't even have a way to view what ports exist!

>

There is a ports.py file, in the same spirit there is a committers.py 
file, even though it does contain only a fraction of all the ports. 
Were it better maintained, one could add references to each contributor 
in committers.py.


Being machine-readable, a post-commit hook that updates a page in the 
Wiki can be added to provide the same info in a human-readable format. 
Sheriffbot could also be teached about this.


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Re: [webkit-dev] Do you maintain OS(WINCE)?

2011-09-13 Thread Ryosuke Niwa
Yeah, they're outdated to say the least.  Can we merge those two lists?  I
think we can move information inside committers.py into a JSON file and load
it automatically on the wiki.

- Ryosuke

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Patrick Gansterer wrote:

> I'm not sure if you refer to [1] or want to improve [2]. If I look at [1] I
> see Yong Li at the WinCE port too. That's correct for the knowledge of the
> code, but does not represent any current work done.
> Some guideline about how to maintain the list might be helpful too.
>
> [1] http://trac.webkit.org/wiki/WebKit%20Team
> [2]
> http://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/Tools/Scripts/webkitpy/common/config/committers.py
>
> Patrick
>
> Am 13.09.2011 um 23:44 schrieb Kenneth Rohde Christiansen:
>
> > We already have a list of reviewers and committers and it should
> > mention which port people work on.
> >
> > Kenneth
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:41 PM, Ryosuke Niwa  wrote:
> >> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Patrick Gansterer 
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Yes, that's correct.
> >>>
> >>> How do we measure an "active port"??? I maintain a buildbot for WinCe
> and
> >>> usually fix problems with the port within hours. Unfortunately I don't
> get
> >>> paid to work on WebKit the whole day and so I can't make such big steps
> >>> forward like other ports do.
> >>> Other active ports (e.g. wx) don't even have a buildbot and get
> maintained
> >>> too.
> >>> Some configuration like BREWMP or HAIKU don't have buildbot and I can't
> >>> see any build fixes or _upstraeming_ activity for them within the last
> >>> months.
> >>>
> >>> So PLEASE: When do we call a port "active"? It's not cool to get the
> >>> question about removal every few months!
> >>
> >> Maybe we should have a wiki page with a list of ports and the point of
> >> contact.
> >> - Ryosuke
> >>
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Re: [webkit-dev] Do you maintain OS(WINCE)?

2011-09-13 Thread Patrick Gansterer
I'm not sure if it's that easy. ;-)
We have different CPU(), OS(), PLATFORM() and USE() defines and they can be 
combined in many different ways, even if some ports are already handled via an 
simple PLATFORM(XY) macro.

Patrick

Am 14.09.2011 um 00:06 schrieb Leandro Pereira:

> On 09/13/2011 06:45 PM, Eric Seidel wrote:
>> 
>> We don't even have a way to view what ports exist!
> >
> 
> There is a ports.py file, in the same spirit there is a committers.py file, 
> even though it does contain only a fraction of all the ports. Were it better 
> maintained, one could add references to each contributor in committers.py.
> 
> Being machine-readable, a post-commit hook that updates a page in the Wiki 
> can be added to provide the same info in a human-readable format. Sheriffbot 
> could also be teached about this.
> 
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