Re: Scala and WebObjects

[Mark Wardle]

>> I've heard rumors of WO developers using pink netbooks! (^_~)
>

The Apple rules were written to avoid such horrors.

You all appear to have missed the clauses covering stylish hair,
personal jets and a playboy lifestyle that are essential parts of the
Apple developer contract. (*)

Mark

(*) That is what you professional developers are like, aren't you?

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Re: [MEETING] WO-NoVA meeting NEXT THURSDAY 11/18/2010

[David Avendasora]

I want food, so I'm RSVPing.

As far as my presentation goes... I'll be covering all that and I thought I 
would also do an exhaustive review of Ruby on Rails and compare and contrast it 
to WonderObjects.

Or not.

Dave

On Nov 12, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Andrew R. Kinnie wrote:

> Greetings all,
> 
> October's WO-NoVA meeting is scheduled for NEXT THURSDAY! (Thursday, November 
> 18, 2010) at 6:30 PM at K12
> 
> Dave A will do a complete and exhaustive presentation on all aspects of 
> WebObjects and all its related technologies.  Or not.  I suppose I should 
> have asked him first.  If Dave isn't up for that, I'm sure other wildly cool 
> things will be discussed as they usually are.
> 
> As always, food will be provided to those nice enough to provide RSVP.  
> 
> 6:30 PM at K12
> 2300 Corporate Park Drive
> Herndon, VA 20171
> 
> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=2300+Corporate+Park+Dr,+Herndon,+VA+20171&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=55.016555,76.992187&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=2300+Corporate+Park+Dr,+Herndon,+Fairfax,+Virginia+20171&z=17
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Reminder: Community Ideas on Google Moderator

[Pascal Robert]

Just a reminder : don't forget to vote and add your ideas on Google Moderator :

http://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=352e3

It's not only for ideas for the wiki or wocommunity.org, if you wish to have 
something in Wonder or elsewhere, you can share your idea over there.


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Re: Oracle and Apple Announce OpenJDK Project for Mac OS X

[Simon]

> Does this mean Java Client apps are safe now?

surely mike's just teasing mr avendasora...?

:-)
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[MEETING] WO-NoVA meeting NEXT THURSDAY 11/18/2010

[Andrew R. Kinnie]

Greetings all,

October's WO-NoVA meeting is scheduled for NEXT THURSDAY! (Thursday, November 
18, 2010) at 6:30 PM at K12

Dave A will do a complete and exhaustive presentation on all aspects of 
WebObjects and all its related technologies.  Or not.  I suppose I should have 
asked him first.  If Dave isn't up for that, I'm sure other wildly cool things 
will be discussed as they usually are.

As always, food will be provided to those nice enough to provide RSVP.  

6:30 PM at K12
2300 Corporate Park Drive
Herndon, VA 20171

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=2300+Corporate+Park+Dr,+Herndon,+VA+20171&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=55.016555,76.992187&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=2300+Corporate+Park+Dr,+Herndon,+Fairfax,+Virginia+20171&z=17

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Re: Scala and WebObjects

[Pascal Robert]

Le 2010-11-12 à 15:05, Chuck Hill a écrit :

> On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:08 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:
>> Le 2010-11-11 à 19:12, Chuck Hill a écrit :
>>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 4:05 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:
>>> 
 I have a question that I kept to myself for months, but let's go public. 
 People talks about moving away from WO or even writing WO/EOF 
 replacements. But AFAIK, Wonder shows that we can extend the core 
 frameworks a lot. Sure, extending WO so that EOF become multi-threaded or 
 anything like this would be a huge task, but from my point of view (a 
 non-technical one), we can do a lot on top of WO to "fix" problems. And to 
 me, it make more sense to extend WO than trying to rewrite it...
>>> 
>>> Was there a question in there?
>> 
>> The question is more that I don't understand why people wants to rewrite WO 
>> when you can simply extend it. To me, it's just like the Linux people who 
>> keeps rewriting stuff instead of improving it. It's incredible the number of 
>> stuff on FreshMeat that do almost the same thing and that could be done in 
>> one or two applications instead of dozens of them.
> 
> 
> I don't know that I want to re-write it, but there are bug fixes and 
> enhancements to EOF that I would like that can't easily be done in Wonder.

That's because you don't have time for bug fixes now that you tweet :

  http://twitter.com/chillgvc/status/3174522576445440 
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Re: Scala and WebObjects

[Chuck Hill]

On Nov 11, 2010, at 5:08 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:
> Le 2010-11-11 à 19:12, Chuck Hill a écrit :
>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 4:05 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:
>> 
>>> I have a question that I kept to myself for months, but let's go public. 
>>> People talks about moving away from WO or even writing WO/EOF replacements. 
>>> But AFAIK, Wonder shows that we can extend the core frameworks a lot. Sure, 
>>> extending WO so that EOF become multi-threaded or anything like this would 
>>> be a huge task, but from my point of view (a non-technical one), we can do 
>>> a lot on top of WO to "fix" problems. And to me, it make more sense to 
>>> extend WO than trying to rewrite it...
>> 
>> Was there a question in there?
> 
> The question is more that I don't understand why people wants to rewrite WO 
> when you can simply extend it. To me, it's just like the Linux people who 
> keeps rewriting stuff instead of improving it. It's incredible the number of 
> stuff on FreshMeat that do almost the same thing and that could be done in 
> one or two applications instead of dozens of them.


I don't know that I want to re-write it, but there are bug fixes and 
enhancements to EOF that I would like that can't easily be done in Wonder.


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Re: Oracle and Apple Announce OpenJDK Project for Mac OS X

[Pascal Robert]

I'm sure it will make some people happy in France :-)

> Java Client ?!
> 
> Did you just say Java Client??
> 
> That's crazy talk. :-)
> 
> Dave
> 
> On Nov 12, 2010, at 2:09 PM, Michael Gargano wrote:
> 
>> Does this mean Java Client apps are safe now?
>> 
>> -Mike
>> 
>> On Nov 12, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Joe Little wrote:
>> 
>>> But what about WO? :) (Ducks for cover...)
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 6:56 AM, Kieran Kelleher  
>>> wrote:
 And thus all the hissy-fits and panic all over the internet and mailing
 lists was both amusing and a complete waste of energy!
 OK, back to work everyone .. java is alive and well on OS X  ;-)
 
 On Nov 12, 2010, at 9:51 AM, Antonio Petri wrote:
 
 Larry and Steve are good friends, after all...
 Apple give up on the server business, so it will not compete with Oracle
 (even if it wasn't that big competitor) and at the
 same time, probably, fill up its new data center with Oracle kits. Oracle
 need backing for the OpenJDK, especially in  view
 of their dispute with Google. So, it all makes sense.
 
 On 12 November 2010 14:22, Pascal Robert  wrote:
> 
> Good news everyone!
> 
> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/11/12openjdk.html
> 
> Oracle and Apple® today announced the OpenJDK project for Mac OS® X. Apple
> will contribute most of the key components, tools and technology required
> for a Java SE 7 implementation on Mac OS X, including a 32-bit and 64-bit
> HotSpot-based Java virtual machine, class libraries, a networking stack 
> and
> the foundation for a new graphical client. OpenJDK will make Apple’s Java
> technology available to open source developers so they can access and
> contribute to the effort.
> 
> ...
> 
> Apple also confirmed that Java SE 6 will continue to be available from
> Apple for Mac OS X Snow Leopard® and the upcoming release of Mac OS X 
> Lion.
> Java SE 7 and future versions of Java for Mac OS X will be available from
> Oracle.
> 
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Re: Oracle and Apple Announce OpenJDK Project for Mac OS X

[David Avendasora]

Java Client ?!

Did you just say Java Client??

That's crazy talk. :-)

Dave

On Nov 12, 2010, at 2:09 PM, Michael Gargano wrote:

> Does this mean Java Client apps are safe now?
> 
> -Mike
> 
> On Nov 12, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Joe Little wrote:
> 
>> But what about WO? :) (Ducks for cover...)
>> 
>> On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 6:56 AM, Kieran Kelleher  wrote:
>>> And thus all the hissy-fits and panic all over the internet and mailing
>>> lists was both amusing and a complete waste of energy!
>>> OK, back to work everyone .. java is alive and well on OS X  ;-)
>>> 
>>> On Nov 12, 2010, at 9:51 AM, Antonio Petri wrote:
>>> 
>>> Larry and Steve are good friends, after all...
>>> Apple give up on the server business, so it will not compete with Oracle
>>> (even if it wasn't that big competitor) and at the
>>> same time, probably, fill up its new data center with Oracle kits. Oracle
>>> need backing for the OpenJDK, especially in  view
>>> of their dispute with Google. So, it all makes sense.
>>> 
>>> On 12 November 2010 14:22, Pascal Robert  wrote:
 
 Good news everyone!
 
 http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/11/12openjdk.html
 
 Oracle and Apple® today announced the OpenJDK project for Mac OS® X. Apple
 will contribute most of the key components, tools and technology required
 for a Java SE 7 implementation on Mac OS X, including a 32-bit and 64-bit
 HotSpot-based Java virtual machine, class libraries, a networking stack and
 the foundation for a new graphical client. OpenJDK will make Apple’s Java
 technology available to open source developers so they can access and
 contribute to the effort.
 
 ...
 
 Apple also confirmed that Java SE 6 will continue to be available from
 Apple for Mac OS X Snow Leopard® and the upcoming release of Mac OS X Lion.
 Java SE 7 and future versions of Java for Mac OS X will be available from
 Oracle.
 
 
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Re: Oracle and Apple Announce OpenJDK Project for Mac OS X

[Michael Gargano]

Does this mean Java Client apps are safe now?

-Mike

On Nov 12, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Joe Little wrote:

> But what about WO? :) (Ducks for cover...)
> 
> On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 6:56 AM, Kieran Kelleher  wrote:
>> And thus all the hissy-fits and panic all over the internet and mailing
>> lists was both amusing and a complete waste of energy!
>> OK, back to work everyone .. java is alive and well on OS X  ;-)
>> 
>> On Nov 12, 2010, at 9:51 AM, Antonio Petri wrote:
>> 
>> Larry and Steve are good friends, after all...
>> Apple give up on the server business, so it will not compete with Oracle
>> (even if it wasn't that big competitor) and at the
>> same time, probably, fill up its new data center with Oracle kits. Oracle
>> need backing for the OpenJDK, especially in  view
>> of their dispute with Google. So, it all makes sense.
>> 
>> On 12 November 2010 14:22, Pascal Robert  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good news everyone!
>>> 
>>> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/11/12openjdk.html
>>> 
>>> Oracle and Apple® today announced the OpenJDK project for Mac OS® X. Apple
>>> will contribute most of the key components, tools and technology required
>>> for a Java SE 7 implementation on Mac OS X, including a 32-bit and 64-bit
>>> HotSpot-based Java virtual machine, class libraries, a networking stack and
>>> the foundation for a new graphical client. OpenJDK will make Apple’s Java
>>> technology available to open source developers so they can access and
>>> contribute to the effort.
>>> 
>>> ...
>>> 
>>> Apple also confirmed that Java SE 6 will continue to be available from
>>> Apple for Mac OS X Snow Leopard® and the upcoming release of Mac OS X Lion.
>>> Java SE 7 and future versions of Java for Mac OS X will be available from
>>> Oracle.
>>> 
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Re: Scala and WebObjects

[Michael Gargano]

Don't forget that tools don't work as well if you're not on a Mac.  Rule editor 
is non-existent.

-Mike


On Nov 12, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:

> 
> Le 2010-11-12 à 13:58, David LeBer a écrit :
> 
>> 
>> On 2010-11-12, at 1:33 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
>> 
>>> On Nov 12, 2010, at 4:50 AM, Hugi Thordarson wrote:
 
 I honestly don't see what Apple gains by forbidding me and my coworkers to 
 use WO.
>>> 
>>> The question at this point is what would they gain by allowing it?
>> 
>> 
>> Does Apple really care? Yes I know that clause is in the license. But does 
>> anyone really think that Apple would expend the effort to come after someone 
>> who decided to develop WO on a generic linux box instead of a Mac?
>> 
>> My sense is that we are so far outside their worldview that we don't even 
>> rate the effort.
>> 
>> And as preemptive 'yes I understand that' statement: I do understand that 
>> the fact that the clause is there is all it takes as a deterrent for some, 
>> and I am not passing judgement.
> 
> I agree that Apple might not care at all, but I think the problem is more 
> with lawyers working at your organization that may say "you can't use this! 
> Apple will go after us! ". 
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Re: Scala and WebObjects

[Ramsey Gurley]

On Nov 12, 2010, at 1:58 PM, David LeBer wrote:



On 2010-11-12, at 1:33 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:


On Nov 12, 2010, at 4:50 AM, Hugi Thordarson wrote:


I honestly don't see what Apple gains by forbidding me and my  
coworkers to use WO.


The question at this point is what would they gain by allowing it?



Does Apple really care? Yes I know that clause is in the license.  
But does anyone really think that Apple would expend the effort to  
come after someone who decided to develop WO on a generic linux box  
instead of a Mac?


My sense is that we are so far outside their worldview that we don't  
even rate the effort.


And as preemptive 'yes I understand that' statement: I do understand  
that the fact that the clause is there is all it takes as a  
deterrent for some, and I am not passing judgement.


;david


I've heard rumors of WO developers using pink netbooks! (^_~)

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Re: Scala and WebObjects

[Pascal Robert]

Le 2010-11-12 à 13:58, David LeBer a écrit :

> 
> On 2010-11-12, at 1:33 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
> 
>> On Nov 12, 2010, at 4:50 AM, Hugi Thordarson wrote:
>>> 
>>> I honestly don't see what Apple gains by forbidding me and my coworkers to 
>>> use WO.
>> 
>> The question at this point is what would they gain by allowing it?
> 
> 
> Does Apple really care? Yes I know that clause is in the license. But does 
> anyone really think that Apple would expend the effort to come after someone 
> who decided to develop WO on a generic linux box instead of a Mac?
> 
> My sense is that we are so far outside their worldview that we don't even 
> rate the effort.
> 
> And as preemptive 'yes I understand that' statement: I do understand that the 
> fact that the clause is there is all it takes as a deterrent for some, and I 
> am not passing judgement.

I agree that Apple might not care at all, but I think the problem is more with 
lawyers working at your organization that may say "you can't use this! Apple 
will go after us! ". 


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Re: Scala and WebObjects

[David LeBer]

On 2010-11-12, at 1:33 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:

> On Nov 12, 2010, at 4:50 AM, Hugi Thordarson wrote:
>> 
>> I honestly don't see what Apple gains by forbidding me and my coworkers to 
>> use WO.
> 
> The question at this point is what would they gain by allowing it?


Does Apple really care? Yes I know that clause is in the license. But does 
anyone really think that Apple would expend the effort to come after someone 
who decided to develop WO on a generic linux box instead of a Mac?

My sense is that we are so far outside their worldview that we don't even rate 
the effort.

And as preemptive 'yes I understand that' statement: I do understand that the 
fact that the clause is there is all it takes as a deterrent for some, and I am 
not passing judgement.

;david

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Re: Scala and WebObjects

[David Holt]

On 2010-11-12, at 10:39 AM, Hugi Thordarson wrote:

>>> I honestly don't see what Apple gains by forbidding me and my coworkers to 
>>> use WO.
>> 
>> The question at this point is what would they gain by allowing it?
> 
> ME!

I'll write Steve on behalf of the world.

:-)

> 
> ;)
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Re: Scala and WebObjects

[Hugi Thordarson]

>> I honestly don't see what Apple gains by forbidding me and my coworkers to 
>> use WO.
> 
> The question at this point is what would they gain by allowing it?

ME!

;)

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Re: Scala and WebObjects

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On Nov 12, 2010, at 4:50 AM, Hugi Thordarson wrote:
> 
> I honestly don't see what Apple gains by forbidding me and my coworkers to 
> use WO.

The question at this point is what would they gain by allowing it?


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[OT] No more XServe

[Robert B. Hanviriyapunt]

No XServe, No Cry.

On Nov 12, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Ray Kiddy wrote:



On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:



On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:40 PM, Johnny Miller wrote:


What do you guys think (if anything) will happen to OSX Server?

It seems to me that if there is no X-Serve there is much less  
purpose for OS X Server edition.


That is probably next week's announcement.


Sorry. I have to dust this joke off and use it.

Steve Jobs will be comfortable talking about the enterprise when  
Pixar is making an animated version of a Star Trek movie.


Xserves going away is so not a s surprise. When Apple made a server- 
based product that made them a really big pile of money, management  
basically said "WTF?" I think they gave some of the guys big  
bonuses. They literally had no idea of what to do as an investment  
with it.


- ray




On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:34 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:


Inevitable due to
	1) the ubiquity of inexpensive Linux solutions (hardware and/or  
VPS in the cloud)
	2) the fact that all the Mac heads learned unix in the last 8  
years

3) small cash-strapped workgroups are using Mac Minis

That's my 2 cents ... let the opinion commentary begin! :-)

On Nov 5, 2010, at 6:27 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:


http://www.apple.com/xserve/resources.html

"Xserve will no longer be available after January 31, but we’ll  
continue to fully support it."


Apple will not be developing a future version of Xserve
• Orders for Xserve will be accepted through January 31, 2011
• Apple will honor all Xserve warranties and extended support  
programs
• Transition options to deploy Mac OS X Server include Mac Pro  
with Snow Leopard Server and Mac mini with Snow Leopard Server


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Re: [OT] No more XServe

[Kieran Kelleher]

Huh?



On Nov 12, 2010, at 12:47 PM, Ray Kiddy  wrote:

> They literally had no idea of what to do as an investment with it.
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Re: [OT] No more XServe

[Ray Kiddy]

On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:

> 
> On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:40 PM, Johnny Miller wrote:
> 
>> What do you guys think (if anything) will happen to OSX Server?
>> 
>> It seems to me that if there is no X-Serve there is much less purpose for OS 
>> X Server edition.
> 
> That is probably next week's announcement.

Sorry. I have to dust this joke off and use it.

Steve Jobs will be comfortable talking about the enterprise when Pixar is 
making an animated version of a Star Trek movie.

Xserves going away is so not a s surprise. When Apple made a server-based 
product that made them a really big pile of money, management basically said 
"WTF?" I think they gave some of the guys big bonuses. They literally had no 
idea of what to do as an investment with it.

- ray

> 
>> On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:34 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:
>> 
>>> Inevitable due to 
>>> 1) the ubiquity of inexpensive Linux solutions (hardware and/or VPS in 
>>> the cloud)
>>> 2) the fact that all the Mac heads learned unix in the last 8 years
>>> 3) small cash-strapped workgroups are using Mac Minis
>>> 
>>> That's my 2 cents ... let the opinion commentary begin! :-)
>>> 
>>> On Nov 5, 2010, at 6:27 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:
>>> 
 http://www.apple.com/xserve/resources.html
 
 "Xserve will no longer be available after January 31, but we’ll continue 
 to fully support it."
 
 Apple will not be developing a future version of Xserve
 • Orders for Xserve will be accepted through January 31, 2011
 • Apple will honor all Xserve warranties and extended support programs
 • Transition options to deploy Mac OS X Server include Mac Pro with Snow 
 Leopard Server and Mac mini with Snow Leopard Server 
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Re: Scala and WebObjects

[Pascal Robert]

Le 2010-11-12 à 11:23, Antonio Petri a écrit :

> Yes, we were all waiting for the unifying framework, the "write once, compile 
> everywhere" solution to the
> cross platform development. BedRock died because Apple dropped it to work on 
> OpenDoc. Even MacApp
> was slowly being ported to window, until it was completely axed because, I 
> think, Cocoa was coming.

And in 1995, the Web and Java came out...

When I first connected to the Web in March 1995, the first thing I was thinking 
of was : "Cool, we can build apps that runs on Windows and OS 7!" 

> On 12 November 2010 16:10, Miguel Arroz  wrote:
> Hi!
> 
>   For those of you scratching their heads... 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedrock_(framework)
> 
>   I didn't know that one! :) But Think C was nice, and CodeWarrior was 
> awesome! :) I still have both at home, some of my graduation projects were 
> made using CodeWarrior. Then, OS X showed up. :)
> 
>   OpenDoc... was interesting, but very, very unstable at the time.
> 
>   Regards,
> 
> Miguel Arroz
> 
> On 2010/11/12, at 15:29, Antonio Petri wrote:
> 
>> OpenDoc? that killed BedRock!
>> I waited ages for BedRock to arrive :(
>> I still have the pre-release CD...
>> 
>> On 12 November 2010 15:15, Pascal Robert  wrote:
>> That's why I said "in the last 10 years" :-) And it was stuff coming out 
>> from research, not stuff used by Apple like WO is. I'm still waiting for 
>> OpenDoc comeback.
>> 
>>> Hi everyone, 
>>> 
>>> Your vision is too narrow. Apple _does_ give / sell their technologies to 
>>> other people and it has happened recently. 
>>> 
>>> Squeak (Smalltalk) is a good example. Giving it to Walt Disney and also the 
>>> world at large: 
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squeak 
>>> 
>>> Dylan is another example. Giving it to Harlequin: 
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Dylan_programming_language 
>>> 
>>> There are other examples... 
>>> 
>>> Someone has to give Apple a reason to sell WO. 
>>> 
>>> > Yeah, but Apple rarely give/sell their technologies to other 
>>> > people... In fact, I don't remember Apple selling any of their stuff
>>> > to other providers in the last 10 years. 
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Re: Scala and WebObjects

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Hi!

On 2010/11/12, at 16:16, Pascal Robert wrote:

> THINK Pascal all the way! And not because of the name...
> 
> WaitNextEvent(WOWODC 2011)

 MoreHandles(); MoreHandles(); MoreHandles();

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Re: Scala and WebObjects

[Antonio Petri]

Yes, we were all waiting for the unifying framework, the "write once,
compile everywhere" solution to the
cross platform development. BedRock died because Apple dropped it to work on
OpenDoc. Even MacApp
was slowly being ported to window, until it was completely axed because, I
think, Cocoa was coming.

On 12 November 2010 16:10, Miguel Arroz  wrote:

> Hi!
>
>   For those of you scratching their heads...
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedrock_(framework)
>
>   I didn't know that one! :) But Think C was nice, and CodeWarrior was
> awesome! :) I still have both at home, some of my graduation projects were
> made using CodeWarrior. Then, OS X showed up. :)
>
>   OpenDoc... was interesting, but very, very unstable at the time.
>
>   Regards,
>
> Miguel Arroz
>
> On 2010/11/12, at 15:29, Antonio Petri wrote:
>
> OpenDoc? that killed BedRock!
> I waited ages for BedRock to arrive :(
> I still have the pre-release CD...
>
> On 12 November 2010 15:15, Pascal Robert  wrote:
>
>> That's why I said "in the last 10 years" :-) And it was stuff coming out
>> from research, not stuff used by Apple like WO is. I'm still waiting for
>> OpenDoc comeback.
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Your vision is too narrow. Apple _does_ give / sell their technologies to
>> other people and it has happened recently.
>>
>> Squeak (Smalltalk) is a good example. Giving it to Walt Disney and also
>> the world at large:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squeak
>>
>> Dylan is another example. Giving it to Harlequin:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Dylan_programming_language
>>
>> There are other examples...
>>
>> Someone has to give Apple a reason to sell WO.
>>
>> > Yeah, but Apple rarely give/sell their technologies to other
>> > people... In fact, I don't remember Apple selling any of their stuff
>> > to other providers in the last 10 years.
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Re: Scala and WebObjects

[Antonio Petri]

+1
I followed the croud and moved to C++ at that time, but still I don't see
the reason... Object Pascal was so good,
Borland themselves adopted the Object Pascal model, diverting from their
Turbo Pascal, for Delphi.
No doubt Delphi is still well alive.


On 12 November 2010 16:16, Pascal Robert  wrote:

>
> Le 2010-11-12 à 11:10, Miguel Arroz a écrit :
>
> > Hi!
> >
> >   For those of you scratching their heads...
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedrock_(framework)
> >
> >   I didn't know that one! :) But Think C was nice, and CodeWarrior was
> awesome! :) I still have both at home, some of my graduation projects were
> made using CodeWarrior. Then, OS X showed up. :)
>
> THINK Pascal all the way! And not because of the name...
>
>  WaitNextEvent(WOWODC 2011)
>
> >   OpenDoc... was interesting, but very, very unstable at the time.
> >
> >   Regards,
> >
> > Miguel Arroz
> >
> > On 2010/11/12, at 15:29, Antonio Petri wrote:
> >
> >> OpenDoc? that killed BedRock!
> >> I waited ages for BedRock to arrive :(
> >> I still have the pre-release CD...
> >>
> >> On 12 November 2010 15:15, Pascal Robert  wrote:
> >> That's why I said "in the last 10 years" :-) And it was stuff coming out
> from research, not stuff used by Apple like WO is. I'm still waiting for
> OpenDoc comeback.
> >>
> >>> Hi everyone,
> >>>
> >>> Your vision is too narrow. Apple _does_ give / sell their technologies
> to other people and it has happened recently.
> >>>
> >>> Squeak (Smalltalk) is a good example. Giving it to Walt Disney and also
> the world at large:
> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squeak
> >>>
> >>> Dylan is another example. Giving it to Harlequin:
> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Dylan_programming_language
> >>>
> >>> There are other examples...
> >>>
> >>> Someone has to give Apple a reason to sell WO.
> >>>
> >>> > Yeah, but Apple rarely give/sell their technologies to other
> >>> > people... In fact, I don't remember Apple selling any of their stuff
> >>> > to other providers in the last 10 years.
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Re: Scala and WebObjects

[Pascal Robert]

Le 2010-11-12 à 11:10, Miguel Arroz a écrit :

> Hi!
> 
>   For those of you scratching their heads... 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedrock_(framework)
> 
>   I didn't know that one! :) But Think C was nice, and CodeWarrior was 
> awesome! :) I still have both at home, some of my graduation projects were 
> made using CodeWarrior. Then, OS X showed up. :)

THINK Pascal all the way! And not because of the name...

  WaitNextEvent(WOWODC 2011)

>   OpenDoc... was interesting, but very, very unstable at the time.
> 
>   Regards,
> 
> Miguel Arroz
> 
> On 2010/11/12, at 15:29, Antonio Petri wrote:
> 
>> OpenDoc? that killed BedRock!
>> I waited ages for BedRock to arrive :(
>> I still have the pre-release CD...
>> 
>> On 12 November 2010 15:15, Pascal Robert  wrote:
>> That's why I said "in the last 10 years" :-) And it was stuff coming out 
>> from research, not stuff used by Apple like WO is. I'm still waiting for 
>> OpenDoc comeback.
>> 
>>> Hi everyone, 
>>> 
>>> Your vision is too narrow. Apple _does_ give / sell their technologies to 
>>> other people and it has happened recently. 
>>> 
>>> Squeak (Smalltalk) is a good example. Giving it to Walt Disney and also the 
>>> world at large: 
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squeak 
>>> 
>>> Dylan is another example. Giving it to Harlequin: 
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Dylan_programming_language 
>>> 
>>> There are other examples... 
>>> 
>>> Someone has to give Apple a reason to sell WO. 
>>> 
>>> > Yeah, but Apple rarely give/sell their technologies to other 
>>> > people... In fact, I don't remember Apple selling any of their stuff
>>> > to other providers in the last 10 years. 
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Re: Scala and WebObjects

[Miguel Arroz]

Hi!

  For those of you scratching their heads... 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedrock_(framework)

  I didn't know that one! :) But Think C was nice, and CodeWarrior was awesome! 
:) I still have both at home, some of my graduation projects were made using 
CodeWarrior. Then, OS X showed up. :)

  OpenDoc... was interesting, but very, very unstable at the time.

  Regards,

Miguel Arroz

On 2010/11/12, at 15:29, Antonio Petri wrote:

> OpenDoc? that killed BedRock!
> I waited ages for BedRock to arrive :(
> I still have the pre-release CD...
> 
> On 12 November 2010 15:15, Pascal Robert  wrote:
> That's why I said "in the last 10 years" :-) And it was stuff coming out from 
> research, not stuff used by Apple like WO is. I'm still waiting for OpenDoc 
> comeback.
> 
>> Hi everyone, 
>> 
>> Your vision is too narrow. Apple _does_ give / sell their technologies to 
>> other people and it has happened recently. 
>> 
>> Squeak (Smalltalk) is a good example. Giving it to Walt Disney and also the 
>> world at large: 
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squeak 
>> 
>> Dylan is another example. Giving it to Harlequin: 
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Dylan_programming_language 
>> 
>> There are other examples... 
>> 
>> Someone has to give Apple a reason to sell WO. 
>> 
>> > Yeah, but Apple rarely give/sell their technologies to other 
>> > people... In fact, I don't remember Apple selling any of their stuff
>> > to other providers in the last 10 years. 
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Re: Oracle and Apple Announce OpenJDK Project for Mac OS X

[Pascal Robert]

Le 2010-11-12 à 10:15, Valerio Luccio a écrit :

> Antonio Petri wrote:
>> Maybe, Oracle will pick WO up as well?
>> 
> I hope not. Their m.o. with open sun products has been to make them 
> commercial (see Sun Grid Engine).

They can't do worse than what they did with Oracle Media Objects :-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_Media_Objects 
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Re: Scala and WebObjects

[Antonio Petri]

OpenDoc? that killed BedRock!
I waited ages for BedRock to arrive :(
I still have the pre-release CD...

On 12 November 2010 15:15, Pascal Robert  wrote:

> That's why I said "in the last 10 years" :-) And it was stuff coming out
> from research, not stuff used by Apple like WO is. I'm still waiting for
> OpenDoc comeback.
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Your vision is too narrow. Apple _does_ give / sell their technologies to
> other people and it has happened recently.
>
> Squeak (Smalltalk) is a good example. Giving it to Walt Disney and also the
> world at large:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squeak
>
> Dylan is another example. Giving it to Harlequin:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Dylan_programming_language
>
> There are other examples...
>
> Someone has to give Apple a reason to sell WO.
>
> > Yeah, but Apple rarely give/sell their technologies to other
> > people... In fact, I don't remember Apple selling any of their stuff
> > to other providers in the last 10 years.
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Re: Scala and WebObjects

[Pascal Robert]

That's why I said "in the last 10 years" :-) And it was stuff coming out from 
research, not stuff used by Apple like WO is. I'm still waiting for OpenDoc 
comeback.

> Hi everyone, 
> 
> Your vision is too narrow. Apple _does_ give / sell their technologies to 
> other people and it has happened recently. 
> 
> Squeak (Smalltalk) is a good example. Giving it to Walt Disney and also the 
> world at large: 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squeak 
> 
> Dylan is another example. Giving it to Harlequin: 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Dylan_programming_language 
> 
> There are other examples... 
> 
> Someone has to give Apple a reason to sell WO. 
> 
> > Yeah, but Apple rarely give/sell their technologies to other 
> > people... In fact, I don't remember Apple selling any of their stuff
> > to other providers in the last 10 years. 
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Re: Oracle and Apple Announce OpenJDK Project for Mac OS X

[Valerio Luccio]

 Antonio Petri wrote:

Maybe, Oracle will pick WO up as well?

I hope not. Their m.o. with open sun products has been to make them 
commercial (see Sun Grid Engine).


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Re: Scala and WebObjects

[arosenzweig]

Hi everyone,

Your vision is too narrow. Apple _does_ give / sell their technologies to 
other people and it has happened recently. 

Squeak (Smalltalk) is a good example. Giving it to Walt Disney and also 
the world at large:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squeak

Dylan is another example. Giving it to Harlequin:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Dylan_programming_language

There are other examples...

Someone has to give Apple a reason to sell WO. 

> Yeah, but Apple rarely give/sell their technologies to other 
> people... In fact, I don't remember Apple selling any of their stuff
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Re: Oracle and Apple Announce OpenJDK Project for Mac OS X

[James Cicenia]

I just wrote Steve... 

I hear he responds these days. Hope I sent it to the correct address?!

James

On Nov 12, 2010, at 8:59 AM, Joe Little wrote:

> But what about WO? :) (Ducks for cover...)
> 
> On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 6:56 AM, Kieran Kelleher  wrote:
>> And thus all the hissy-fits and panic all over the internet and mailing
>> lists was both amusing and a complete waste of energy!
>> OK, back to work everyone .. java is alive and well on OS X  ;-)
>> 
>> On Nov 12, 2010, at 9:51 AM, Antonio Petri wrote:
>> 
>> Larry and Steve are good friends, after all...
>> Apple give up on the server business, so it will not compete with Oracle
>> (even if it wasn't that big competitor) and at the
>> same time, probably, fill up its new data center with Oracle kits. Oracle
>> need backing for the OpenJDK, especially in  view
>> of their dispute with Google. So, it all makes sense.
>> 
>> On 12 November 2010 14:22, Pascal Robert  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good news everyone!
>>> 
>>> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/11/12openjdk.html
>>> 
>>> Oracle and Apple® today announced the OpenJDK project for Mac OS® X. Apple
>>> will contribute most of the key components, tools and technology required
>>> for a Java SE 7 implementation on Mac OS X, including a 32-bit and 64-bit
>>> HotSpot-based Java virtual machine, class libraries, a networking stack and
>>> the foundation for a new graphical client. OpenJDK will make Apple’s Java
>>> technology available to open source developers so they can access and
>>> contribute to the effort.
>>> 
>>> ...
>>> 
>>> Apple also confirmed that Java SE 6 will continue to be available from
>>> Apple for Mac OS X Snow Leopard® and the upcoming release of Mac OS X Lion.
>>> Java SE 7 and future versions of Java for Mac OS X will be available from
>>> Oracle.
>>> 
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Re: Oracle and Apple Announce OpenJDK Project for Mac OS X

[Antonio Petri]

Maybe, Oracle will pick WO up as well?

On 12 November 2010 14:59, Joe Little  wrote:

> But what about WO? :) (Ducks for cover...)
>
> On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 6:56 AM, Kieran Kelleher 
> wrote:
> > And thus all the hissy-fits and panic all over the internet and mailing
> > lists was both amusing and a complete waste of energy!
> > OK, back to work everyone .. java is alive and well on OS X  ;-)
> >
> > On Nov 12, 2010, at 9:51 AM, Antonio Petri wrote:
> >
> > Larry and Steve are good friends, after all...
> > Apple give up on the server business, so it will not compete with Oracle
> > (even if it wasn't that big competitor) and at the
> > same time, probably, fill up its new data center with Oracle kits. Oracle
> > need backing for the OpenJDK, especially in  view
> > of their dispute with Google. So, it all makes sense.
> >
> > On 12 November 2010 14:22, Pascal Robert  wrote:
> >>
> >> Good news everyone!
> >>
> >> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/11/12openjdk.html
> >>
> >> Oracle and Apple® today announced the OpenJDK project for Mac OS® X.
> Apple
> >> will contribute most of the key components, tools and technology
> required
> >> for a Java SE 7 implementation on Mac OS X, including a 32-bit and
> 64-bit
> >> HotSpot-based Java virtual machine, class libraries, a networking stack
> and
> >> the foundation for a new graphical client. OpenJDK will make Apple’s
> Java
> >> technology available to open source developers so they can access and
> >> contribute to the effort.
> >>
> >> ...
> >>
> >> Apple also confirmed that Java SE 6 will continue to be available from
> >> Apple for Mac OS X Snow Leopard® and the upcoming release of Mac OS X
> Lion.
> >> Java SE 7 and future versions of Java for Mac OS X will be available
> from
> >> Oracle.
> >>
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Re: Oracle and Apple Announce OpenJDK Project for Mac OS X

[Joe Little]

But what about WO? :) (Ducks for cover...)

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 6:56 AM, Kieran Kelleher  wrote:
> And thus all the hissy-fits and panic all over the internet and mailing
> lists was both amusing and a complete waste of energy!
> OK, back to work everyone .. java is alive and well on OS X  ;-)
>
> On Nov 12, 2010, at 9:51 AM, Antonio Petri wrote:
>
> Larry and Steve are good friends, after all...
> Apple give up on the server business, so it will not compete with Oracle
> (even if it wasn't that big competitor) and at the
> same time, probably, fill up its new data center with Oracle kits. Oracle
> need backing for the OpenJDK, especially in  view
> of their dispute with Google. So, it all makes sense.
>
> On 12 November 2010 14:22, Pascal Robert  wrote:
>>
>> Good news everyone!
>>
>> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/11/12openjdk.html
>>
>> Oracle and Apple® today announced the OpenJDK project for Mac OS® X. Apple
>> will contribute most of the key components, tools and technology required
>> for a Java SE 7 implementation on Mac OS X, including a 32-bit and 64-bit
>> HotSpot-based Java virtual machine, class libraries, a networking stack and
>> the foundation for a new graphical client. OpenJDK will make Apple’s Java
>> technology available to open source developers so they can access and
>> contribute to the effort.
>>
>> ...
>>
>> Apple also confirmed that Java SE 6 will continue to be available from
>> Apple for Mac OS X Snow Leopard® and the upcoming release of Mac OS X Lion.
>> Java SE 7 and future versions of Java for Mac OS X will be available from
>> Oracle.
>>
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Re: Oracle and Apple Announce OpenJDK Project for Mac OS X

[Kieran Kelleher]

And thus all the hissy-fits and panic all over the internet and mailing lists 
was both amusing and a complete waste of energy!

OK, back to work everyone .. java is alive and well on OS X  ;-)


On Nov 12, 2010, at 9:51 AM, Antonio Petri wrote:

> Larry and Steve are good friends, after all...
> Apple give up on the server business, so it will not compete with Oracle 
> (even if it wasn't that big competitor) and at the
> same time, probably, fill up its new data center with Oracle kits. Oracle 
> need backing for the OpenJDK, especially in  view
> of their dispute with Google. So, it all makes sense. 
> 
> On 12 November 2010 14:22, Pascal Robert  wrote:
> Good news everyone!
> 
> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/11/12openjdk.html
> 
> Oracle and Apple® today announced the OpenJDK project for Mac OS® X. Apple 
> will contribute most of the key components, tools and technology required for 
> a Java SE 7 implementation on Mac OS X, including a 32-bit and 64-bit 
> HotSpot-based Java virtual machine, class libraries, a networking stack and 
> the foundation for a new graphical client. OpenJDK will make Apple’s Java 
> technology available to open source developers so they can access and 
> contribute to the effort.
> 
> ...
> 
> Apple also confirmed that Java SE 6 will continue to be available from Apple 
> for Mac OS X Snow Leopard® and the upcoming release of Mac OS X Lion. Java SE 
> 7 and future versions of Java for Mac OS X will be available from Oracle.
> 
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Re: Oracle and Apple Announce OpenJDK Project for Mac OS X

[Antonio Petri]

Larry and Steve are good friends, after all...
Apple give up on the server business, so it will not compete with Oracle
(even if it wasn't that big competitor) and at the
same time, probably, fill up its new data center with Oracle kits. Oracle
need backing for the OpenJDK, especially in  view
of their dispute with Google. So, it all makes sense.

On 12 November 2010 14:22, Pascal Robert  wrote:

> Good news everyone!
>
> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/11/12openjdk.html
>
> Oracle and Apple® today announced the OpenJDK project for Mac OS® X. Apple
> will contribute most of the key components, tools and technology required
> for a Java SE 7 implementation on Mac OS X, including a 32-bit and 64-bit
> HotSpot-based Java virtual machine, class libraries, a networking stack and
> the foundation for a new graphical client. OpenJDK will make Apple’s Java
> technology available to open source developers so they can access and
> contribute to the effort.
>
> ...
>
> Apple also confirmed that Java SE 6 will continue to be available from
> Apple for Mac OS X Snow Leopard® and the upcoming release of Mac OS X Lion.
> Java SE 7 and future versions of Java for Mac OS X will be available from
> Oracle.
>
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Re: Oracle and Apple Announce OpenJDK Project for Mac OS X

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> Good news everyone!
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Fwd: Oracle and Apple Announce OpenJDK Project for Mac OS X

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Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail:

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> Datum: 12. November 2010 15:23:34 MEZ
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> Antwort an: Mac OS X enterprise deployment project 
> 
> 
> Good news!
> 
> http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/11/12openjdk.html
> 
> Oracle and Apple® today announced the OpenJDK project for Mac OS® X. Apple 
> will contribute most of the key components, tools and technology required for 
> a Java SE 7 implementation on Mac OS X, including a 32-bit and 64-bit 
> HotSpot-based Java virtual machine, class libraries, a networking stack and 
> the foundation for a new graphical client. OpenJDK will make Apple’s Java 
> technology available to open source developers so they can access and 
> contribute to the effort.
> 
> Apple also confirmed that Java SE 6 will continue to be available from Apple 
> for Mac OS X Snow Leopard® and the upcoming release of Mac OS X Lion. Java SE 
> 7 and future versions of Java for Mac OS X will be available from Oracle. 
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Oracle and Apple Announce OpenJDK Project for Mac OS X

[Pascal Robert]

Good news everyone!

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/11/12openjdk.html

Oracle and Apple® today announced the OpenJDK project for Mac OS® X. Apple will 
contribute most of the key components, tools and technology required for a Java 
SE 7 implementation on Mac OS X, including a 32-bit and 64-bit HotSpot-based 
Java virtual machine, class libraries, a networking stack and the foundation 
for a new graphical client. OpenJDK will make Apple’s Java technology available 
to open source developers so they can access and contribute to the effort.

...

Apple also confirmed that Java SE 6 will continue to be available from Apple 
for Mac OS X Snow Leopard® and the upcoming release of Mac OS X Lion. Java SE 7 
and future versions of Java for Mac OS X will be available from Oracle. 


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Re: Ajaxy WOBrowser-based ToMany Editor

[Hugi Thordarson]

You're welcome :). Note that the URL was for a changeset so make sure you fetch 
the most recent version, I made a couple of improvements.

And here's your pony.

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```` ;'

- hugi


On 12.11.2010, at 13:40, David Avendasora wrote:

> You rock Hugi!
> 
> This is way more complete than I had come up with so far! Next on my list is 
> to D2Wify it for ERModernLook integration.
> 
> Oh, and if Maven hasn't finished with internet.jar, I'd like a Pony also.
> 
> Not for me, of course, but for David LeBer. He really wants one.
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> On Nov 12, 2010, at 6:46 AM, Hugi Thordarson wrote:
> 
>> Hey David,
>> I made you this while waiting for Maven to download internet.jar.
>> 
>> https://bitbucket.org/hugi/uswebobjects/changeset/ae9d5e3c675e
>> 
>> The .html is just bare bones, though - you'll have to add your own css.
>> 
>> Enjoy,
>> - hugi
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 12.11.2010, at 11:18, David Avendasora wrote:
>> 
>>> Yeah, that's exactly what I'm working on implementing. I was just wondering 
>>> if anyone else had already done it in a nice CSS/Ajaxy way so I could get a 
>>> jump start.
>>> 
>>> I'm trying to put it together in such a way that it is generic enough that 
>>> it would work for anyone so it can be easily dropped in to any project.
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 4:46 PM, James Cicenia wrote:
>>> 
 I did something like this because I found no ajax editor like it.
 
 Used AjaxSubmitButtons with 
updateContainerID =  "DialogContainer";
 2 WOBrowsers
 Wrapped the whole thing in an AjaxUpdateContainer
 
 - James
 
 
 On Nov 11, 2010, at 10:43 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm looking for an Ajax-based toMany relationship editor that uses two 
> WOBrowsers to add/remove objects from the relationship. Something that 
> will give me roughly:
> 
> 
> 
> I looked in Wonder and couldn't find anything.
> 
> I'm sure others have implemented this before. Before I go implementing 
> this, is anyone willing to share?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
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Re: Ajaxy WOBrowser-based ToMany Editor

[David Avendasora]

You rock Hugi!

This is way more complete than I had come up with so far! Next on my list is to 
D2Wify it for ERModernLook integration.

Oh, and if Maven hasn't finished with internet.jar, I'd like a Pony also.

Not for me, of course, but for David LeBer. He really wants one.

Dave


On Nov 12, 2010, at 6:46 AM, Hugi Thordarson wrote:

> Hey David,
> I made you this while waiting for Maven to download internet.jar.
> 
> https://bitbucket.org/hugi/uswebobjects/changeset/ae9d5e3c675e
> 
> The .html is just bare bones, though - you'll have to add your own css.
> 
> Enjoy,
> - hugi
> 
> 
> 
> On 12.11.2010, at 11:18, David Avendasora wrote:
> 
>> Yeah, that's exactly what I'm working on implementing. I was just wondering 
>> if anyone else had already done it in a nice CSS/Ajaxy way so I could get a 
>> jump start.
>> 
>> I'm trying to put it together in such a way that it is generic enough that 
>> it would work for anyone so it can be easily dropped in to any project.
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 4:46 PM, James Cicenia wrote:
>> 
>>> I did something like this because I found no ajax editor like it.
>>> 
>>> Used AjaxSubmitButtons with 
>>> updateContainerID =  "DialogContainer";
>>> 2 WOBrowsers
>>> Wrapped the whole thing in an AjaxUpdateContainer
>>> 
>>> - James
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 10:43 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 
 I'm looking for an Ajax-based toMany relationship editor that uses two 
 WOBrowsers to add/remove objects from the relationship. Something that 
 will give me roughly:
 
 
 
 I looked in Wonder and couldn't find anything.
 
 I'm sure others have implemented this before. Before I go implementing 
 this, is anyone willing to share?
 
 Thanks!
 
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Re: Scala and WebObjects

[Hugi Thordarson]

>> The question is more that I don't understand why people wants to rewrite WO 
>> when you can simply extend it.
> 
> I think the problem is obviously more "political" than technical. Technically 
> you are correct in that WebObjects is extensible with or without PW.

Seconded. I'm currently working at a company where I'm pretty free to use any 
java libraries I want to. However, due to that rather silly "you have to 
develop on a Mac"-clause in the WO license I *can't* introduce WO into the 
environment, since we've got all types of computers. And this is frustrating, 
because almost every day I find myself re-implementing functionality I could be 
using from JavaFoundation and Project Wonder.

I honestly don't see what Apple gains by forbidding me and my coworkers to use 
WO.

*sigh*. I keep having these wet dreams where I check wo-dev and find that 
Apple's stuck JavaFoundation, WO and EOF up on github.

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Re: Ajaxy WOBrowser-based ToMany Editor

[Hugi Thordarson]

Hey David,
I made you this while waiting for Maven to download internet.jar.

https://bitbucket.org/hugi/uswebobjects/changeset/ae9d5e3c675e

The .html is just bare bones, though - you'll have to add your own css.

Enjoy,
- hugi



On 12.11.2010, at 11:18, David Avendasora wrote:

> Yeah, that's exactly what I'm working on implementing. I was just wondering 
> if anyone else had already done it in a nice CSS/Ajaxy way so I could get a 
> jump start.
> 
> I'm trying to put it together in such a way that it is generic enough that it 
> would work for anyone so it can be easily dropped in to any project.
> 
> Dave
> 
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 4:46 PM, James Cicenia wrote:
> 
>> I did something like this because I found no ajax editor like it.
>> 
>> Used AjaxSubmitButtons with 
>>  updateContainerID =  "DialogContainer";
>> 2 WOBrowsers
>> Wrapped the whole thing in an AjaxUpdateContainer
>> 
>> - James
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 10:43 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I'm looking for an Ajax-based toMany relationship editor that uses two 
>>> WOBrowsers to add/remove objects from the relationship. Something that will 
>>> give me roughly:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I looked in Wonder and couldn't find anything.
>>> 
>>> I'm sure others have implemented this before. Before I go implementing 
>>> this, is anyone willing to share?
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
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Re: Two new podcasts from WOWODC 2010

[Antonio Petri]

Thank you Pascal, they will be very useful, especially the Wonder one.
Antonio

On 12 November 2010 11:23, Pascal Robert  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> Just the vast majority of the community is using Wonder, we are releasing
> the Getting Started with Project Wonder recording from WOWODC 2011 for free.
> It's a really good intro to Wonder and to properties management. Many thanks
> to Kieran for this!
>
> Also, you will find a recording of Aurélien Minet's presentation of the
> Cocktail Association ERP for high education. It might be one of the biggest
> WO installation outside Apple, and it's open source too.
>
> Just a note about the Cocktail presentation. I can't view the video in
> iTunes or QT Player 7, but it works in Safari or the new QuickTime Player. I
> don't know why since I can play the source works in QT Player 7. Maybe a
> 10.6.5 bug or something. So if you can't view it in iTunes, open it up in QT
> Player.
>
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Two new podcasts from WOWODC 2010

[Pascal Robert]

Hello everyone,

Just the vast majority of the community is using Wonder, we are releasing the 
Getting Started with Project Wonder recording from WOWODC 2011 for free. It's a 
really good intro to Wonder and to properties management. Many thanks to Kieran 
for this!

Also, you will find a recording of Aurélien Minet's presentation of the 
Cocktail Association ERP for high education. It might be one of the biggest WO 
installation outside Apple, and it's open source too.

Just a note about the Cocktail presentation. I can't view the video in iTunes 
or QT Player 7, but it works in Safari or the new QuickTime Player. I don't 
know why since I can play the source works in QT Player 7. Maybe a 10.6.5 bug 
or something. So if you can't view it in iTunes, open it up in QT Player.

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Re: Ajaxy WOBrowser-based ToMany Editor

[David Avendasora]

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm working on implementing. I was just wondering if 
anyone else had already done it in a nice CSS/Ajaxy way so I could get a jump 
start.

I'm trying to put it together in such a way that it is generic enough that it 
would work for anyone so it can be easily dropped in to any project.

Dave

On Nov 11, 2010, at 4:46 PM, James Cicenia wrote:

> I did something like this because I found no ajax editor like it.
> 
> Used AjaxSubmitButtons with 
>   updateContainerID =  "DialogContainer";
> 2 WOBrowsers
> Wrapped the whole thing in an AjaxUpdateContainer
> 
> - James
> 
> 
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 10:43 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'm looking for an Ajax-based toMany relationship editor that uses two 
>> WOBrowsers to add/remove objects from the relationship. Something that will 
>> give me roughly:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I looked in Wonder and couldn't find anything.
>> 
>> I'm sure others have implemented this before. Before I go implementing this, 
>> is anyone willing to share?
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
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