Re: Complimentary App Server Choice

[Jérémy DE ROYER via Webobjects-dev]

Hi

And about wo components framework ?

What are you using  with Bootique ?

Jérémy

Le 13 févr. 2020 à 23:08, Matthew Ness via Webobjects-dev 
 a écrit :


I wouldn't hesitate to recommend Bootique.

We've had various types of Bootique apps in production for years now to great 
success, some with the Cayenne module directly derived from older WO apps/dbs, 
some communicating with existing WO apps, others simply processing tasks.


Regards,

--
Matt
http://logicsquad.net
https://www.linkedin.com/company/logic-squad/


On Thu, Feb 13, 2020, at 11:25 PM, Andrus Adamchik via Webobjects-dev wrote:
My opinionated take is the following:

* The "official" JavaEE is dead and is now a pure volunteer effort under 
https://jakarta.ee/ . The "appserver" concept has almost disappeared and 
morphed to something different. All the past market leaders have moved on to 
more lightweight solutions, though some still cling to .war deployment.

* SpringBoot is the market leader in the Java world. If you are looking to 
build a marketable Java developer resume, learn SpringBoot.

* If you need to write apps for your org or your customers, and are not 
constrained by the PHBs opinion, use Bootique. It is a better platform in the 
modern appserver-free world. Bootique is "commercially-viable" in a sense that 
there are hundreds of apps that run in prod for a number of years. But it is 
still an open source effort supported by community and a mid-sized company 
(ObjectStyle), so it is sometimes an uphill battle in organizations that are 
looking to conform to the lowest common denominator.

So you decide :)

Andrus


On Feb 13, 2020, at 3:06 PM, Gino Pacitti via Webobjects-dev 
mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> wrote:

Thanks for that… it looks really interesting…

Is it a commercially viable alternative to some of the others like JBoss, 
Tomcat, Websphere etc..

I would like to add another feather to my bow but not really sure which 
architecture to devote time to so that I can work on bigger projects in a 
team...




On 13 Feb 2020, at 11:16, Andrus Adamchik 
mailto:and...@objectstyle.org>> wrote:

We are using Bootique: https://bootique.io/

Just like SpringBoot, its idea is that it is not an "appserver". It gives you a 
plain Java app with your own "main" method, and a way to assemble various 
components together (and also modularity, dependency injection, consistent 
configuration and a large collection of ready-to-use modules). The app can 
serve web requests, run jobs or do whatever.

Unlike SpringBoot, Bootique is much smaller, starts much faster, and doesn't 
feel like magic. Also all the apps you write are automatically equipped with 
POSIX CLI.

Andrus


On Feb 11, 2020, at 4:29 PM, Paul Yu via Webobjects-dev 
mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> wrote:

Spring and it’s ecosystem seems to be pretty powerful.

Paul

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Please excuse iOS autocomplete

On Feb 11, 2020, at 8:06 AM, Gino Pacitti via Webobjects-dev 
mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> wrote:

hey if any one was to use a different app server configuration other than WO 
what would you choose and why?

What are most companies requesting these days in a Java system?





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Re: Back again....

[Tony Giaccone via Webobjects-dev]

First let me say that I appreciate the help that was offered to me.  I'm
especially thankful as I was able to follow a process and succeed. Which a
day ago I thought was impossible. ;-) Thank you for your offer Theodor, to
remote debug my install, thankfully that wasn't needed.

Let me quickly outline the path to success, mostly because it was rather
torturous and painful and at least I can do is explain how I got it to
work.


I started out by deleting the attempt I made previously to install WO
5.4.3.  And instead tried to follow the instructions on the page that was
referenced:

https://wiki.wocommunity.org/display/WOL/Quick+Start

I could not get that process to work, inevitably it failed when trying to
do the WOInstaller step.  WOInstaller throws exceptions.

However, on that page there's a reference to this page:

https://lists.apple.com/archives/webobjects-dev/2016/Jan/msg00045.html

That page describes a general set up steps. Two of those were key:

2. Update ~/.m2/settings.xml to include the wocommunity repo.

6. Preferences -> Maven -> Archetypes, Add Remote
Cataloghttp://maven.wocommunity.org/service/local/repositories/snapshots/content/archetype-catalog.xml


First I had to find the settings.xml file with the references to the
wocommunity repo.  It wasn't obvious, but I though I had seen a reference
to it and so I went searching.  Then found it and installed it in .m2. Then
I added the referenced archetype catalog in maven in eclipsel.  I tried to
create a maven project by searching for wo based archetypes and that just
didn't work. The list wasn't available in the search box in maven in
eclipse.

At that point I opened the archetype catalog in a browser and found an
archetype: woapplication-archetype

I was able to create a project in eclipse using a maven archetype.  I had
to explicitly call out the groupId, artifactId, and version of the
artifact,  from the archetype-catalog , in a dialog box, they didn't show
up in the list. But once I did that I got a maven based project that builds
and runs.

That lead me to:

Hello WO world!

So for the first time in probably 15 years, I have a working installation
of WebObjects and I can build an application, run it and get the crazy
webobject url again

http://127.0.0.1:36629/cgi-bin/WebObjects/wotalent.woa

I don't know who, if anyone, is responsible for keeping a page put together
to help folks install webobjects, but the process as currently described on
multiple pages, is fraught with problems and paths to failure.

Maybe it doesn't matter, maybe no one is looking to start doing web objects
development again.  What I will say is that without a simple direct and
straight line path explaining the process, in a place easily found, only
those already converted to the path of WO, will be using these tools.

THe cuirrent install process isn't horrible, it's just not described
succinctly and correctly in one place.


Tony Giaccone


On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 6:09 PM Paul Hoadley  wrote:

> Hi Tony,
>
> On 14 Feb 2020, at 01:26, Tony Giaccone via Webobjects-dev <
> webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> wrote:
>
> Can I do WODev on a Linux box? Is there a package to install on Ubuntu
> 18.04?
>
>
> I'm going to say a qualified yes: anecdotally, I know people have done
> this, and quite recently. I don't know about a package of any kind, but...
>
> I see that wolips is a thing and I have installed it locally in a copy of
> eclipse 2019-12
>
>
> That should be all you need.
>
> Java 1.8?
>
>
> Thats what we use.
>
> I’ve tried using the instructions I’ve found on line using the WOInstaller
> jar but I get a runtime exception.
>
> I managed to get a copy of 5.4.3 and it seems to have installed but I
> can’t create a new WOapp and not get problems with library references.  It
> looks like something installed in /opt/Library. Any suggestions to verify
> my WO package got installed correctly?
>
> Just curious where things stand and what set of install docs make the most
> sense.
>
>
> I cannot suggest strongly enough that you use Maven which will handle all
> of this for you. Start here and report back if you have any questions:
>
> https://wiki.wocommunity.org/display/WOL/Quick+Start
>
>
> --
> Paul Hoadley
> https://logicsquad.net/
> https://www.linkedin.com/company/logic-squad/
>
>
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Re: Back again....

[Paul Hoadley via Webobjects-dev]

Hi Tony,

On 14 Feb 2020, at 01:26, Tony Giaccone via Webobjects-dev 
 wrote:

> Can I do WODev on a Linux box? Is there a package to install on Ubuntu 18.04?

I'm going to say a qualified yes: anecdotally, I know people have done this, 
and quite recently. I don't know about a package of any kind, but...

> I see that wolips is a thing and I have installed it locally in a copy of 
> eclipse 2019-12

That should be all you need.

> Java 1.8? 

Thats what we use.

> I’ve tried using the instructions I’ve found on line using the WOInstaller 
> jar but I get a runtime exception.
> 
> I managed to get a copy of 5.4.3 and it seems to have installed but I can’t 
> create a new WOapp and not get problems with library references.  It looks 
> like something installed in /opt/Library. Any suggestions to verify my WO 
> package got installed correctly?
> 
> Just curious where things stand and what set of install docs make the most 
> sense.

I cannot suggest strongly enough that you use Maven which will handle all of 
this for you. Start here and report back if you have any questions:

https://wiki.wocommunity.org/display/WOL/Quick+Start 



-- 
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Re: Complimentary App Server Choice

[Tony Giaccone via Webobjects-dev]

I can second the vote for bootique. We built two micro-services using bootique 
and I couldn’t be happier with their performance. One has been running since 
December of 2018 the other since August of 2019.


We built apps that use Bootique with  jetty, Jersey and Cayenne. The apps both 
generate a swagger spec which gets deployed to an internal repo so our internal 
customers can build client code.

 We deploy to GCP and Kubernetes. Connecting to a gcp instance of Postgres. We 
build using maven and drone.  Before you can merge a PR the unit and 
integration tests must succeed. The creation of a PR pushes the build to dev 
and staging. We deploy to production by creating a release.

Works like a charm. We had some problems with connection pooling but since we 
migrated to hikari that problem is gone.

It’s industrial strength code. And the user community is great at answering 
questions.


Tony Giaccone


> On Feb 13, 2020, at 5:08 PM, Matthew Ness via Webobjects-dev 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I wouldn't hesitate to recommend Bootique. 
> 
> We've had various types of Bootique apps in production for years now to great 
> success, some with the Cayenne module directly derived from older WO 
> apps/dbs, some communicating with existing WO apps, others simply processing 
> tasks.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> --
> Matt
> http://logicsquad.net
> https://www.linkedin.com/company/logic-squad/
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2020, at 11:25 PM, Andrus Adamchik via Webobjects-dev wrote:
>> My opinionated take is the following:
>> 
>> * The "official" JavaEE is dead and is now a pure volunteer effort under 
>> https://jakarta.ee/ . The "appserver" concept has almost disappeared and 
>> morphed to something different. All the past market leaders have moved on to 
>> more lightweight solutions, though some still cling to .war deployment. 
>> 
>> * SpringBoot is the market leader in the Java world. If you are looking to 
>> build a marketable Java developer resume, learn SpringBoot.
>> 
>> * If you need to write apps for your org or your customers, and are not 
>> constrained by the PHBs opinion, use Bootique. It is a better platform in 
>> the modern appserver-free world. Bootique is "commercially-viable" in a 
>> sense that there are hundreds of apps that run in prod for a number of 
>> years. But it is still an open source effort supported by community and a 
>> mid-sized company (ObjectStyle), so it is sometimes an uphill battle in 
>> organizations that are looking to conform to the lowest common denominator.
>> 
>> So you decide :)
>> 
>> Andrus
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 13, 2020, at 3:06 PM, Gino Pacitti via Webobjects-dev 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for that… it looks really interesting…
>>> 
>>> Is it a commercially viable alternative to some of the others like JBoss, 
>>> Tomcat, Websphere etc..
>>> 
>>> I would like to add another feather to my bow but not really sure which 
>>> architecture to devote time to so that I can work on bigger projects in a 
>>> team...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 13 Feb 2020, at 11:16, Andrus Adamchik  wrote:
 
 We are using Bootique: https://bootique.io/
 
 Just like SpringBoot, its idea is that it is not an "appserver". It gives 
 you a plain Java app with your own "main" method, and a way to assemble 
 various components together (and also modularity, dependency injection, 
 consistent configuration and a large collection of ready-to-use modules). 
 The app can serve web requests, run jobs or do whatever. 
 
 Unlike SpringBoot, Bootique is much smaller, starts much faster, and 
 doesn't feel like magic. Also all the apps you write are automatically 
 equipped with POSIX CLI.
 
 Andrus
 
 
> On Feb 11, 2020, at 4:29 PM, Paul Yu via Webobjects-dev 
>  wrote:
> 
> Spring and it’s ecosystem seems to be pretty powerful.
> 
> Paul
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> Please excuse iOS autocomplete 
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2020, at 8:06 AM, Gino Pacitti via Webobjects-dev 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> hey if any one was to use a different app server configuration other 
>> than WO what would you choose and why?
>> 
>> What are most companies requesting these days in a Java system?
 
 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> 
> 
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Re: Complimentary App Server Choice

[Matthew Ness via Webobjects-dev]

I wouldn't hesitate to recommend Bootique. 

We've had various types of Bootique apps in production for years now to great 
success, some with the Cayenne module directly derived from older WO apps/dbs, 
some communicating with existing WO apps, others simply processing tasks.


Regards,

--
Matt
http://logicsquad.net
https://www.linkedin.com/company/logic-squad/


On Thu, Feb 13, 2020, at 11:25 PM, Andrus Adamchik via Webobjects-dev wrote:
> My opinionated take is the following:
> 
> * The "official" JavaEE is dead and is now a pure volunteer effort under 
> https://jakarta.ee/ . The "appserver" concept has almost disappeared and 
> morphed to something different. All the past market leaders have moved on to 
> more lightweight solutions, though some still cling to .war deployment. 
> 
> * SpringBoot is the market leader in the Java world. If you are looking to 
> build a marketable Java developer resume, learn SpringBoot.
> 
> * If you need to write apps for your org or your customers, and are not 
> constrained by the PHBs opinion, use Bootique. It is a better platform in the 
> modern appserver-free world. Bootique is "commercially-viable" in a sense 
> that there are hundreds of apps that run in prod for a number of years. But 
> it is still an open source effort supported by community and a mid-sized 
> company (ObjectStyle), so it is sometimes an uphill battle in organizations 
> that are looking to conform to the lowest common denominator.
> 
> So you decide :)
> 
> Andrus
> 
> 
>> On Feb 13, 2020, at 3:06 PM, Gino Pacitti via Webobjects-dev 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for that… it looks really interesting…
>> 
>> Is it a commercially viable alternative to some of the others like JBoss, 
>> Tomcat, Websphere etc..
>> 
>> I would like to add another feather to my bow but not really sure which 
>> architecture to devote time to so that I can work on bigger projects in a 
>> team...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 13 Feb 2020, at 11:16, Andrus Adamchik  wrote:
>>> 
>>> We are using Bootique: https://bootique.io/
>>> 
>>> Just like SpringBoot, its idea is that it is not an "appserver". It gives 
>>> you a plain Java app with your own "main" method, and a way to assemble 
>>> various components together (and also modularity, dependency injection, 
>>> consistent configuration and a large collection of ready-to-use modules). 
>>> The app can serve web requests, run jobs or do whatever. 
>>> 
>>> Unlike SpringBoot, Bootique is much smaller, starts much faster, and 
>>> doesn't feel like magic. Also all the apps you write are automatically 
>>> equipped with POSIX CLI.
>>> 
>>> Andrus
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 11, 2020, at 4:29 PM, Paul Yu via Webobjects-dev 
  wrote:
 
 Spring and it’s ecosystem seems to be pretty powerful.
 
 Paul
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 Please excuse iOS autocomplete 
 
> On Feb 11, 2020, at 8:06 AM, Gino Pacitti via Webobjects-dev 
>  wrote:
> 
>  hey if any one was to use a different app server configuration other 
> than WO what would you choose and why?
> 
> What are most companies requesting these days in a Java system?
>>> 
>> 
>> 

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Re: Back again....

[Theodore Petrosky via Webobjects-dev]

Tony,

I am not saying I can fix this (as you are on  a linux distro), but if you want 
to connect with TeamViewer, I would be willing to look.

Let me know.

Ted

> On Feb 13, 2020, at 11:02 AM, Tony Giaccone via Webobjects-dev 
>  wrote:
> 
> WOLips is installed and the views are available.
> 
> When I create a new WOApp all the frameworks that it depends on are not 
> found. And I can’t compliment. 
> 
> I’m not at my workstation right now but when I am I’ll update with more 
> details.
> 
> 
> Tony
> 
>> On Feb 13, 2020, at 10:00 AM, Jesse Tayler  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 13, 2020, at 9:56 AM, Tony Giaccone via Webobjects-dev 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I used to do WebObjects dev back in the day. Now I’m just a little curious 
>>> to see where things stand in WOWorld.
>>> 
>> 
>> Outstanding!
>> 
>>> I’m building a simple one page master detail app and I wanted to compare a 
>>> few different frameworks and tech stacks. As part of that I thought I’d go 
>>> back to my roots and do a WO version.
>>> 
>>> But I am having trouble getting a working installation. I have a few 
>>> questions.
>>> 
>>> Can I do WODev on a Linux box? Is there a package to install on Ubuntu 
>>> 18.04? 
>>> 
>> 
>> I use Amazon linux, it’s pretty much just Java.
>> 
>>> I see that wolips is a thing and I have installed it locally in a copy of 
>>> eclipse 2019-12
>>> 
>>> Java 1.8? 
>>> 
>> 
>> Yes indeed
>> 
>>> I’ve tried using the instructions I’ve found on line using the WOInstaller 
>>> jar but I get a runtime exception.
>>> 
>>> I managed to get a copy of 5.4.3 and it seems to have installed but I can’t 
>>> create a new WOapp and not get problems with library references.  It looks 
>>> like something installed in /opt/Library. Any suggestions to verify my WO 
>>> package got installed correctly?
>>> 
>> 
>> Ok, well here’s where you are having trouble
>> 
>> Firstly, are you sure you have the WOLipse plugin working? Eclipse should 
>> have a specific look, eomodeler and layout options we like to use
>> 
>> And I’m thinking you can install your frameworks there, but I wonder if you 
>> know to specifically add each ER framework and whatever else you need in 
>> eclipse?
>> 
>> Verify those two issues and you might just be in luck - let us know.
>> 
>> 
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Re: Back again....

[Tony Giaccone via Webobjects-dev]

WOLips is installed and the views are available.

When I create a new WOApp all the frameworks that it depends on are not found. 
And I can’t compliment. 

I’m not at my workstation right now but when I am I’ll update with more details.


Tony

> On Feb 13, 2020, at 10:00 AM, Jesse Tayler  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 13, 2020, at 9:56 AM, Tony Giaccone via Webobjects-dev 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I used to do WebObjects dev back in the day. Now I’m just a little curious 
>> to see where things stand in WOWorld.
>> 
> 
> Outstanding!
> 
>> I’m building a simple one page master detail app and I wanted to compare a 
>> few different frameworks and tech stacks. As part of that I thought I’d go 
>> back to my roots and do a WO version.
>> 
>> But I am having trouble getting a working installation. I have a few 
>> questions.
>> 
>> Can I do WODev on a Linux box? Is there a package to install on Ubuntu 
>> 18.04? 
>> 
> 
> I use Amazon linux, it’s pretty much just Java.
> 
>> I see that wolips is a thing and I have installed it locally in a copy of 
>> eclipse 2019-12
>> 
>> Java 1.8? 
>> 
> 
> Yes indeed
> 
>> I’ve tried using the instructions I’ve found on line using the WOInstaller 
>> jar but I get a runtime exception.
>> 
>> I managed to get a copy of 5.4.3 and it seems to have installed but I can’t 
>> create a new WOapp and not get problems with library references.  It looks 
>> like something installed in /opt/Library. Any suggestions to verify my WO 
>> package got installed correctly?
>> 
> 
> Ok, well here’s where you are having trouble
> 
> Firstly, are you sure you have the WOLipse plugin working? Eclipse should 
> have a specific look, eomodeler and layout options we like to use
> 
> And I’m thinking you can install your frameworks there, but I wonder if you 
> know to specifically add each ER framework and whatever else you need in 
> eclipse?
> 
> Verify those two issues and you might just be in luck - let us know.
> 
> 
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Re: Back again....

[Jesse Tayler via Webobjects-dev]

> On Feb 13, 2020, at 9:56 AM, Tony Giaccone via Webobjects-dev 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I used to do WebObjects dev back in the day. Now I’m just a little curious to 
> see where things stand in WOWorld.
> 

Outstanding!

> I’m building a simple one page master detail app and I wanted to compare a 
> few different frameworks and tech stacks. As part of that I thought I’d go 
> back to my roots and do a WO version.
> 
> But I am having trouble getting a working installation. I have a few 
> questions.
> 
> Can I do WODev on a Linux box? Is there a package to install on Ubuntu 18.04? 
> 

I use Amazon linux, it’s pretty much just Java.

> I see that wolips is a thing and I have installed it locally in a copy of 
> eclipse 2019-12
> 
> Java 1.8? 
> 

Yes indeed

> I’ve tried using the instructions I’ve found on line using the WOInstaller 
> jar but I get a runtime exception.
> 
> I managed to get a copy of 5.4.3 and it seems to have installed but I can’t 
> create a new WOapp and not get problems with library references.  It looks 
> like something installed in /opt/Library. Any suggestions to verify my WO 
> package got installed correctly?
> 

Ok, well here’s where you are having trouble

Firstly, are you sure you have the WOLipse plugin working? Eclipse should have 
a specific look, eomodeler and layout options we like to use

And I’m thinking you can install your frameworks there, but I wonder if you 
know to specifically add each ER framework and whatever else you need in 
eclipse?

Verify those two issues and you might just be in luck - let us know.


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Back again....

[Tony Giaccone via Webobjects-dev]

I used to do WebObjects dev back in the day. Now I’m just a little curious to 
see where things stand in WOWorld.

I’m building a simple one page master detail app and I wanted to compare a few 
different frameworks and tech stacks. As part of that I thought I’d go back to 
my roots and do a WO version.

But I am having trouble getting a working installation. I have a few questions.

Can I do WODev on a Linux box? Is there a package to install on Ubuntu 18.04? 

I see that wolips is a thing and I have installed it locally in a copy of 
eclipse 2019-12

Java 1.8? 

I’ve tried using the instructions I’ve found on line using the WOInstaller jar 
but I get a runtime exception.

I managed to get a copy of 5.4.3 and it seems to have installed but I can’t 
create a new WOapp and not get problems with library references.  It looks like 
something installed in /opt/Library. Any suggestions to verify my WO package 
got installed correctly?

Just curious where things stand and what set of install docs make the most 
sense.

Tony Giaccone
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Re: Complimentary App Server Choice

[gndgn via Webobjects-dev]

Made my day, thanks! 🤣



> Am 13.02.2020 um 13:30 schrieb Gino Pacitti via Webobjects-dev 
> :
> 
> LOL!!
> 
> 
> 
>> On 13 Feb 2020, at 12:29, Andrus Adamchik > > wrote:
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointy-haired_Boss 
>>  
>> 
>>> On Feb 13, 2020, at 3:28 PM, Gino Pacitti via Webobjects-dev 
>>> mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank Andrus for you take… really good write up.
>>> 
>>> And what is PHBs?
>>> 
>>> Gibi
>>> 
 On 13 Feb 2020, at 12:25, Andrus Adamchik >>> > wrote:
 
 My opinionated take is the following:
 
 * The "official" JavaEE is dead and is now a pure volunteer effort under 
 https://jakarta.ee/  . The "appserver" concept has 
 almost disappeared and morphed to something different. All the past market 
 leaders have moved on to more lightweight solutions, though some still 
 cling to .war deployment. 
 
 * SpringBoot is the market leader in the Java world. If you are looking to 
 build a marketable Java developer resume, learn SpringBoot.
 
 * If you need to write apps for your org or your customers, and are not 
 constrained by the PHBs opinion, use Bootique. It is a better platform in 
 the modern appserver-free world. Bootique is "commercially-viable" in a 
 sense that there are hundreds of apps that run in prod for a number of 
 years. But it is still an open source effort supported by community and a 
 mid-sized company (ObjectStyle), so it is sometimes an uphill battle in 
 organizations that are looking to conform to the lowest common denominator.
 
 So you decide :)
 
 Andrus
 
 
> On Feb 13, 2020, at 3:06 PM, Gino Pacitti via Webobjects-dev 
> mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for that… it looks really interesting…
> 
> Is it a commercially viable alternative to some of the others like JBoss, 
> Tomcat, Websphere etc..
> 
> I would like to add another feather to my bow but not really sure which 
> architecture to devote time to so that I can work on bigger projects in a 
> team...
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 13 Feb 2020, at 11:16, Andrus Adamchik > > wrote:
>> 
>> We are using Bootique: https://bootique.io/ 
>> 
>> Just like SpringBoot, its idea is that it is not an "appserver". It 
>> gives you a plain Java app with your own "main" method, and a way to 
>> assemble various components together (and also modularity, dependency 
>> injection, consistent configuration and a large collection of 
>> ready-to-use modules). The app can serve web requests, run jobs or do 
>> whatever. 
>> 
>> Unlike SpringBoot, Bootique is much smaller, starts much faster, and 
>> doesn't feel like magic. Also all the apps you write are automatically 
>> equipped with POSIX CLI.
>> 
>> Andrus
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 11, 2020, at 4:29 PM, Paul Yu via Webobjects-dev 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Spring and it’s ecosystem seems to be pretty powerful.
>>> 
>>> Paul
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> Please excuse iOS autocomplete 
>>> 
 On Feb 11, 2020, at 8:06 AM, Gino Pacitti via Webobjects-dev 
 >>> > wrote:
 
 hey if any one was to use a different app server configuration other 
 than WO what would you choose and why?
 
 What are most companies requesting these days in a Java system?
>> 
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Re: Complimentary App Server Choice

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LOL!!



> On 13 Feb 2020, at 12:29, Andrus Adamchik  wrote:
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointy-haired_Boss 
>  
> 
>> On Feb 13, 2020, at 3:28 PM, Gino Pacitti via Webobjects-dev 
>> mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thank Andrus for you take… really good write up.
>> 
>> And what is PHBs?
>> 
>> Gibi
>> 
>>> On 13 Feb 2020, at 12:25, Andrus Adamchik >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> My opinionated take is the following:
>>> 
>>> * The "official" JavaEE is dead and is now a pure volunteer effort under 
>>> https://jakarta.ee/  . The "appserver" concept has 
>>> almost disappeared and morphed to something different. All the past market 
>>> leaders have moved on to more lightweight solutions, though some still 
>>> cling to .war deployment. 
>>> 
>>> * SpringBoot is the market leader in the Java world. If you are looking to 
>>> build a marketable Java developer resume, learn SpringBoot.
>>> 
>>> * If you need to write apps for your org or your customers, and are not 
>>> constrained by the PHBs opinion, use Bootique. It is a better platform in 
>>> the modern appserver-free world. Bootique is "commercially-viable" in a 
>>> sense that there are hundreds of apps that run in prod for a number of 
>>> years. But it is still an open source effort supported by community and a 
>>> mid-sized company (ObjectStyle), so it is sometimes an uphill battle in 
>>> organizations that are looking to conform to the lowest common denominator.
>>> 
>>> So you decide :)
>>> 
>>> Andrus
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 13, 2020, at 3:06 PM, Gino Pacitti via Webobjects-dev 
 mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Thanks for that… it looks really interesting…
 
 Is it a commercially viable alternative to some of the others like JBoss, 
 Tomcat, Websphere etc..
 
 I would like to add another feather to my bow but not really sure which 
 architecture to devote time to so that I can work on bigger projects in a 
 team...
 
 
 
 
> On 13 Feb 2020, at 11:16, Andrus Adamchik  > wrote:
> 
> We are using Bootique: https://bootique.io/ 
> 
> Just like SpringBoot, its idea is that it is not an "appserver". It gives 
> you a plain Java app with your own "main" method, and a way to assemble 
> various components together (and also modularity, dependency injection, 
> consistent configuration and a large collection of ready-to-use modules). 
> The app can serve web requests, run jobs or do whatever. 
> 
> Unlike SpringBoot, Bootique is much smaller, starts much faster, and 
> doesn't feel like magic. Also all the apps you write are automatically 
> equipped with POSIX CLI.
> 
> Andrus
> 
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2020, at 4:29 PM, Paul Yu via Webobjects-dev 
>> mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Spring and it’s ecosystem seems to be pretty powerful.
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> Please excuse iOS autocomplete 
>> 
>>> On Feb 11, 2020, at 8:06 AM, Gino Pacitti via Webobjects-dev 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> hey if any one was to use a different app server configuration other 
>>> than WO what would you choose and why?
>>> 
>>> What are most companies requesting these days in a Java system?
> 
 
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Re: Complimentary App Server Choice

[Andrus Adamchik via Webobjects-dev]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointy-haired_Boss 
 

> On Feb 13, 2020, at 3:28 PM, Gino Pacitti via Webobjects-dev 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thank Andrus for you take… really good write up.
> 
> And what is PHBs?
> 
> Gibi
> 
>> On 13 Feb 2020, at 12:25, Andrus Adamchik > > wrote:
>> 
>> My opinionated take is the following:
>> 
>> * The "official" JavaEE is dead and is now a pure volunteer effort under 
>> https://jakarta.ee/  . The "appserver" concept has 
>> almost disappeared and morphed to something different. All the past market 
>> leaders have moved on to more lightweight solutions, though some still cling 
>> to .war deployment. 
>> 
>> * SpringBoot is the market leader in the Java world. If you are looking to 
>> build a marketable Java developer resume, learn SpringBoot.
>> 
>> * If you need to write apps for your org or your customers, and are not 
>> constrained by the PHBs opinion, use Bootique. It is a better platform in 
>> the modern appserver-free world. Bootique is "commercially-viable" in a 
>> sense that there are hundreds of apps that run in prod for a number of 
>> years. But it is still an open source effort supported by community and a 
>> mid-sized company (ObjectStyle), so it is sometimes an uphill battle in 
>> organizations that are looking to conform to the lowest common denominator.
>> 
>> So you decide :)
>> 
>> Andrus
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 13, 2020, at 3:06 PM, Gino Pacitti via Webobjects-dev 
>>> mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for that… it looks really interesting…
>>> 
>>> Is it a commercially viable alternative to some of the others like JBoss, 
>>> Tomcat, Websphere etc..
>>> 
>>> I would like to add another feather to my bow but not really sure which 
>>> architecture to devote time to so that I can work on bigger projects in a 
>>> team...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 13 Feb 2020, at 11:16, Andrus Adamchik >>> > wrote:
 
 We are using Bootique: https://bootique.io/ 
 
 Just like SpringBoot, its idea is that it is not an "appserver". It gives 
 you a plain Java app with your own "main" method, and a way to assemble 
 various components together (and also modularity, dependency injection, 
 consistent configuration and a large collection of ready-to-use modules). 
 The app can serve web requests, run jobs or do whatever. 
 
 Unlike SpringBoot, Bootique is much smaller, starts much faster, and 
 doesn't feel like magic. Also all the apps you write are automatically 
 equipped with POSIX CLI.
 
 Andrus
 
 
> On Feb 11, 2020, at 4:29 PM, Paul Yu via Webobjects-dev 
> mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Spring and it’s ecosystem seems to be pretty powerful.
> 
> Paul
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> Please excuse iOS autocomplete 
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2020, at 8:06 AM, Gino Pacitti via Webobjects-dev 
>> mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> hey if any one was to use a different app server configuration other 
>> than WO what would you choose and why?
>> 
>> What are most companies requesting these days in a Java system?
 
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Re: Complimentary App Server Choice

[Gino Pacitti via Webobjects-dev]

Thank Andrus for you take… really good write up.

And what is PHBs?

Gibi

> On 13 Feb 2020, at 12:25, Andrus Adamchik  wrote:
> 
> My opinionated take is the following:
> 
> * The "official" JavaEE is dead and is now a pure volunteer effort under 
> https://jakarta.ee/  . The "appserver" concept has 
> almost disappeared and morphed to something different. All the past market 
> leaders have moved on to more lightweight solutions, though some still cling 
> to .war deployment. 
> 
> * SpringBoot is the market leader in the Java world. If you are looking to 
> build a marketable Java developer resume, learn SpringBoot.
> 
> * If you need to write apps for your org or your customers, and are not 
> constrained by the PHBs opinion, use Bootique. It is a better platform in the 
> modern appserver-free world. Bootique is "commercially-viable" in a sense 
> that there are hundreds of apps that run in prod for a number of years. But 
> it is still an open source effort supported by community and a mid-sized 
> company (ObjectStyle), so it is sometimes an uphill battle in organizations 
> that are looking to conform to the lowest common denominator.
> 
> So you decide :)
> 
> Andrus
> 
> 
>> On Feb 13, 2020, at 3:06 PM, Gino Pacitti via Webobjects-dev 
>> mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for that… it looks really interesting…
>> 
>> Is it a commercially viable alternative to some of the others like JBoss, 
>> Tomcat, Websphere etc..
>> 
>> I would like to add another feather to my bow but not really sure which 
>> architecture to devote time to so that I can work on bigger projects in a 
>> team...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 13 Feb 2020, at 11:16, Andrus Adamchik >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> We are using Bootique: https://bootique.io/ 
>>> 
>>> Just like SpringBoot, its idea is that it is not an "appserver". It gives 
>>> you a plain Java app with your own "main" method, and a way to assemble 
>>> various components together (and also modularity, dependency injection, 
>>> consistent configuration and a large collection of ready-to-use modules). 
>>> The app can serve web requests, run jobs or do whatever. 
>>> 
>>> Unlike SpringBoot, Bootique is much smaller, starts much faster, and 
>>> doesn't feel like magic. Also all the apps you write are automatically 
>>> equipped with POSIX CLI.
>>> 
>>> Andrus
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 11, 2020, at 4:29 PM, Paul Yu via Webobjects-dev 
 mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Spring and it’s ecosystem seems to be pretty powerful.
 
 Paul
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 Please excuse iOS autocomplete 
 
> On Feb 11, 2020, at 8:06 AM, Gino Pacitti via Webobjects-dev 
> mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> hey if any one was to use a different app server configuration other 
> than WO what would you choose and why?
> 
> What are most companies requesting these days in a Java system?
>>> 
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Re: Complimentary App Server Choice

[Andrus Adamchik via Webobjects-dev]

My opinionated take is the following:

* The "official" JavaEE is dead and is now a pure volunteer effort under 
https://jakarta.ee/  . The "appserver" concept has almost 
disappeared and morphed to something different. All the past market leaders 
have moved on to more lightweight solutions, though some still cling to .war 
deployment. 

* SpringBoot is the market leader in the Java world. If you are looking to 
build a marketable Java developer resume, learn SpringBoot.

* If you need to write apps for your org or your customers, and are not 
constrained by the PHBs opinion, use Bootique. It is a better platform in the 
modern appserver-free world. Bootique is "commercially-viable" in a sense that 
there are hundreds of apps that run in prod for a number of years. But it is 
still an open source effort supported by community and a mid-sized company 
(ObjectStyle), so it is sometimes an uphill battle in organizations that are 
looking to conform to the lowest common denominator.

So you decide :)

Andrus


> On Feb 13, 2020, at 3:06 PM, Gino Pacitti via Webobjects-dev 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for that… it looks really interesting…
> 
> Is it a commercially viable alternative to some of the others like JBoss, 
> Tomcat, Websphere etc..
> 
> I would like to add another feather to my bow but not really sure which 
> architecture to devote time to so that I can work on bigger projects in a 
> team...
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 13 Feb 2020, at 11:16, Andrus Adamchik > > wrote:
>> 
>> We are using Bootique: https://bootique.io/ 
>> 
>> Just like SpringBoot, its idea is that it is not an "appserver". It gives 
>> you a plain Java app with your own "main" method, and a way to assemble 
>> various components together (and also modularity, dependency injection, 
>> consistent configuration and a large collection of ready-to-use modules). 
>> The app can serve web requests, run jobs or do whatever. 
>> 
>> Unlike SpringBoot, Bootique is much smaller, starts much faster, and doesn't 
>> feel like magic. Also all the apps you write are automatically equipped with 
>> POSIX CLI.
>> 
>> Andrus
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 11, 2020, at 4:29 PM, Paul Yu via Webobjects-dev 
>>> mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Spring and it’s ecosystem seems to be pretty powerful.
>>> 
>>> Paul
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> Please excuse iOS autocomplete 
>>> 
 On Feb 11, 2020, at 8:06 AM, Gino Pacitti via Webobjects-dev 
 mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 hey if any one was to use a different app server configuration other than 
 WO what would you choose and why?
 
 What are most companies requesting these days in a Java system?
>> 
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Re: Complimentary App Server Choice

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Thanks for that… it looks really interesting…

Is it a commercially viable alternative to some of the others like JBoss, 
Tomcat, Websphere etc..

I would like to add another feather to my bow but not really sure which 
architecture to devote time to so that I can work on bigger projects in a 
team...




> On 13 Feb 2020, at 11:16, Andrus Adamchik  wrote:
> 
> We are using Bootique: https://bootique.io/ 
> 
> Just like SpringBoot, its idea is that it is not an "appserver". It gives you 
> a plain Java app with your own "main" method, and a way to assemble various 
> components together (and also modularity, dependency injection, consistent 
> configuration and a large collection of ready-to-use modules). The app can 
> serve web requests, run jobs or do whatever. 
> 
> Unlike SpringBoot, Bootique is much smaller, starts much faster, and doesn't 
> feel like magic. Also all the apps you write are automatically equipped with 
> POSIX CLI.
> 
> Andrus
> 
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2020, at 4:29 PM, Paul Yu via Webobjects-dev 
>> mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Spring and it’s ecosystem seems to be pretty powerful.
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> Please excuse iOS autocomplete 
>> 
>>> On Feb 11, 2020, at 8:06 AM, Gino Pacitti via Webobjects-dev 
>>> mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> hey if any one was to use a different app server configuration other than 
>>> WO what would you choose and why?
>>> 
>>> What are most companies requesting these days in a Java system?
> 

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Re: Complimentary App Server Choice

[Andrus Adamchik via Webobjects-dev]

We are using Bootique: https://bootique.io/ 

Just like SpringBoot, its idea is that it is not an "appserver". It gives you a 
plain Java app with your own "main" method, and a way to assemble various 
components together (and also modularity, dependency injection, consistent 
configuration and a large collection of ready-to-use modules). The app can 
serve web requests, run jobs or do whatever. 

Unlike SpringBoot, Bootique is much smaller, starts much faster, and doesn't 
feel like magic. Also all the apps you write are automatically equipped with 
POSIX CLI.

Andrus


> On Feb 11, 2020, at 4:29 PM, Paul Yu via Webobjects-dev 
>  wrote:
> 
> Spring and it’s ecosystem seems to be pretty powerful.
> 
> Paul
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> Please excuse iOS autocomplete 
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2020, at 8:06 AM, Gino Pacitti via Webobjects-dev 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> hey if any one was to use a different app server configuration other than 
>> WO what would you choose and why?
>> 
>> What are most companies requesting these days in a Java system?

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Netlify and others

[Gino Pacitti via Webobjects-dev]

Hi list
Coming across these services that let repository access and build processes 
co-exist plus deployment makes me wonder how would a WO app exist in this 
framework?

Obviously a Java environment and combined Jars lets the app run standalone but 
what about WOMonitor and WOTask… 

How can you scale up to 2+ apps without using those?


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